| quaid
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<meeting id="Docs team">
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| * stickster here
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| * Sparks is present
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| * ke4qqq here
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| -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs mtg --
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| https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Wednesday.2C_21_January_2008 -- calling of the role
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| * danielsmw will be more actine in 20-25 minutes.
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| * jjmcd is here
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| * quaid gives danielsmw some treatment options for his actine
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| danielsmw
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s/ine/ive
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| https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Wednesday.2C_21_January_2008 -- Status on release notes for F11 : lead and
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| quaid
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ke4qqq: you want to talk about doc lead?
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| ke4qqq
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we are looking for a lead for relnotes
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| ke4qqq
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decent organizational skills and preferably some experience in cat herding
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| stickster
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There was a nibble from someone the other day, wasn't there?
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| ke4qqq
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we've had a few
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| ke4qqq
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no one who has wanted to jump in front of the bus yet though
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| jjmcd
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Isn't it more like under the bus
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| ke4qqq
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jjmcd: that isn't until after release
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| stickster
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When is the cutoff for a lead, and/or do we need a contingency plan for that possibility?
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| ke4qqq
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FUDcon technically
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| ke4qqq
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we should have a contingency plan methinks
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| * jsmith sneaks in late
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| Sparks
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ke4qqq: Push comes to shove, I'll do it.
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| stickster
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I think the handoff is not as hard as people think
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| Sparks
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The beat writers from F10 have already been emailed with a request to update their Beat assignments and I've already started to see some
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| activity on the page.
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| quaid
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we also need some "lieutenants", in that the work always seems to require lots of hands closer we ge
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| * ke4qqq shoves Sparks
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| stickster
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Yes, it shouldn't all fall on one person
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| ke4qqq
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is that enough?
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| quaid
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ha!
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| jjmcd
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stickster: The whole conversion thing is still a total mystery to a lot of us -- kinda scary
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| quaid
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how about this ....
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| quaid
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what if Sparks takes lead for _just_ F11
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| quaid
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and jjmcd and others who might be interested
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| quaid
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commit to a Lt. role
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| quaid
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and we rotate for F12
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| stickster
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It's really not a mystery, I think quaid has already made up notes on how to do each page
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| quaid
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?
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| Sparks
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quaid: Can we make it a mandatory rotation? :)
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| stickster
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Sparks: That's not a bad idea
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| * herlo is here today
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| quaid
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Sparks: +10
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| * jsmith agrees to be a "Wiki to DocBook leftenant"
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| * Sparks declares jsmith next.
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| jjmcd
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Sparks: If you/Paul are willing to agree to a little conversion mentoring, I'll step up for 12
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| Sparks
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jjmcd: Works for me
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| stickster
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Honestly, the only thing that makes things difficult at all is the transclusion people are using on the wiki pages. I think we should do
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| away with all transclusions because they're too confusing to deal with.
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| ke4qqq
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outstanding!
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| stickster
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If we just have N number of flat pages, the conversion is a really simple (if slightly laborious) process.
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| stickster
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If we just have N number of flat pages, the conversion is a really simple (if slightly laborious) process.
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| stickster
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oops, sorry
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| Sparks
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The page is at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Documentation_Beats, by the way.
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| Sparks
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If the beat writer doesn't have a * next to their name that means they've accepted their beat for F11
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| stickster
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jjmcd: I'm willing to do that meeting, btw
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| stickster
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Have the beats now been scrubbed?
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| stickster
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Archived, or however we intend to put the old content away?
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| Sparks
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stickster: The scrubbing is in progress
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| Sparks
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stickster: quaid said archiving past information was not necessary in most cases.
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| Sparks
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I'm pretty sure all I did was reset the table and change F10 to F11 where applicable
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| quaid
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it is page renaming that has to happen next :)
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| quaid
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each beat needs to be assessed, either scrubbed clean or left with some content, depending on each case.
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| stickster
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IYAM we should do page renaming, strip out all the content, remove transclusions, and start fresh.
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| stickster
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+1 quaid, that some pages might need to retain some content.
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| stickster
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Good clarifications.
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| stickster
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But keep in mind that the page history holds on to the old content so we should not be timid about getting rid of material.
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| quaid
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right
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| stickster
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It's time for some bold moves here.
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| stickster
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To me, the most important questions are, (1) is it clear to the community where and how they can write content into beats? and (2) is the
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| process of producing the release notes as easy as possible for the people trying now to shoulder that work?
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| Sparks
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Is it possible to have a template for all the beats to work off of?
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| quaid
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on the first one ...
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| quaid
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I think we need the pages renamed and categorized first
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| quaid
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then we publicize like crazy
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| stickster
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Sparks: Probably not, because there are subdivisions that are going to be particular to each beat's subject matter... just my opinion
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| quaid
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as for 2 ...
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| Sparks
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I noticed that the Feature pages have a template with embedded notes on completing the form. That would make it real easy.
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| stickster
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quaid: Clarification, renamed, categorized, and flattened (removing transclusions)
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| quaid
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it could be easier, and we have time to work on that before we need it to be easier.
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| quaid
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harveybetty was working on that, for example
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| stickster
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Sparks: But the factors people have to document in that process are set and well-bounded, which is not true about release notes.
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| Sparks
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Okay
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| jjmcd
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It would be good, though, if we could somehow push the RNs toward being a little more even, maybe a template would help but I'm a little from
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| Missouri on that
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| stickster
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Sparks: In some cases, the contributor need to provide a command for a temporary workaround. In others, they need to explain a new
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| feature that's superseded an old one. Or indicating a deprecation... it's pretty wide-open
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| Sparks
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So give them a sandbox and let them go.
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| stickster
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Sparks: Yup, all we need to provide is "Please start your section with an == h2 == and go to town"
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| quaid
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yeah
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| Sparks
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stickster: Okay, well we can do that.
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| quaid
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that might be enough of a template :)
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| Sparks
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Okay, I'll look at that this evening and see what needs to be done.
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| ke4qqq
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can we offload all of the feature stuff to the owners (or their delegates) and remove that from our plate altogether?
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| Sparks
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We can also change the page names at the same time and get them in the proper category and such.
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| quaid
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ke4qqq: I fear we'll not see the content then
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| quaid
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ke4qqq: in reality, we do already to an important degree
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| quaid
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ke4qqq: the feature pages have a relese notes section they need to fill out
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| quaid
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we just have to suck that in
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| ke4qqq
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surely the feature owners want their feature covered....if not - perhaps we don't cover it.
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| ke4qqq
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ahhhh
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| ke4qqq
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that's a bit easier
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| jjmcd
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The problem, of course, is that "features" cover maybe 10% of the changes
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| jjmcd
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Although maybe my perception is colored by having worked on devtools
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| quaid
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no, it's true
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| Sparks
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Okay, so let's set up the pages with proper names, put all the pages in the proper category, and link those pages onto the main page and
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| start advertising.
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| quaid
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features are only highlighted groupings of changes
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| quaid
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but we cannot expect to get all changes in a release notes set
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| quaid
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Sparks: +1
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| jjmcd
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Although for developers, even minor changes can be pretty important
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| Sparks
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quaid: I can get those pages setup this evening. Shouldn't take long. Then we'll be ready.
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| quaid
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ok, ready to move on from release notes?
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| Sparks
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+1
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| stickster
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bam! pow!
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| ke4qqq
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+1
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| jsmith
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+0.98 (after inflation)
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| herlo
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+1
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| jjmcd
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lets go
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14:26
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| * herlo points out that jsmith's version of inflation shows him having less money rather than the prices going up :)
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| jsmith
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herlo: Well, it depends on whether you're a spender or a saver :-p
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| -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: docs mtg -- meeting time change proposal
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| * jsmith mumbles "meetings are *never* convenient"
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| quaid
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true dat
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| herlo
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it seems everyone is trying to change meeting times
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| quaid
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but this current time was made by a bunch of people who are mainly no longer here :)
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| * jds2001 urges docs not to change to Friday's at 2PM :D
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| quaid
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heh
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| Sparks
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So I'm thinking Friday at... 2?
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| jds2001
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lol
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| jjmcd
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Would Friday at 4 be better?
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| quaid
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Sparks: one thing is, I think we cannot *fix* a new time until we have a new steering committee to fix it for
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| herlo
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+1
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| jds2001
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unless you want FESCo clash :D
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| herlo
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okay not really ^^
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| Sparks
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quaid: True
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14:28
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| ke4qqq
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FDSCo v. FESCo - on pay per view?
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| jsmith
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ke4qqq: But if we win, do we have to wear silly belts with belt-buckles the size of dinner plates?
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| Sparks
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Just think about moving the meeting for a future discussion.
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14:29
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| ke4qqq
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jsmith: no just larger gold-encrusted pocket protectors
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| quaid
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ok, so we're not against a new meeting time, per se, right?
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| Sparks
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+1
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| jsmith
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+1
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14:30
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| stickster
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Not against, +1
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| jjmcd
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+1
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14:30
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| stickster
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We can again use that standard wiki matrix to fix a time
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| Sparks
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stickster: Already got something in the works although quaid might have a better solution.
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| quaid
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no you got the right thing
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| quaid
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https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FDSCo_meeting_matrix
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| quaid
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Sparks made that and we can start populating it
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| stickster
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awesome.
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| quaid
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we can choose to later weed out anyone who is not on a steering committee, although I think getting the widest group regardless is the goal
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14:33
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| Sparks
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yes
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| quaid
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ok, then ...
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| quaid
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anything else on this 'un?
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| Sparks
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nope
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| quaid
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anyone not read my email to the list?
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14:34
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| quaid
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if you have ... any reason you haven't commented on it? ;-D
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| jjmcd
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which email to which list?
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14:34
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| quaid
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jjmcd: "Leadership (re)fresh" to f-docs-l
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| jjmcd
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ahhhhh
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14:34
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| * Sparks commented on it
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| quaid
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http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-January/msg00109.html
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14:35
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| * jjmcd wondered whether it was moot if there weren't candidates still
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| quaid
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oh, interesting viewpoint
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14:36
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| quaid
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I think we have at least a half-dozen people who have clearly showed leadership ability/skills and could be the Chair
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14:36
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| quaid
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and that means at least that many who could be steering
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| quaid
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in fact, many of you _are_ steering without the formal recognition.
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| jjmcd
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Certainly if we can have a meaningful election that is the best course
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| quaid
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we have to be honest -- voter turnout may still suck
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| ke4qqq
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voter turnout in general does
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| jjmcd
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Perhaps we could lock up the swamp water supplier
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| jsmith
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Even if voter turnout is low... it's better to at least go through the motions of having an election
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14:38
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| jjmcd
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We seem to have a lot of marketing issues - I wonder if we can identify some new outlets
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| jjmcd
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Roger that jsmith
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| ke4qqq
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I don't think there is really any alternative
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| Sparks
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jjmcd: That should be the first thing the new chair does.
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14:39
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| quaid
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yeah, we need elections regardless of voter turnout :)
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14:40
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| stickster
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I'm not for a steering committee, as much as I am for an accountable Docs leader.
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| * stickster sent overdue response to list
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| ke4qqq
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stickster: will you explain why?
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| ke4qqq
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or should I read that in your email?
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14:41
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| stickster
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ke4qqq: Either way is fine! :-)
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14:42
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| stickster
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I simply think that our core group that participates on a regular basis are the obvious choices for a steering committee.
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| stickster
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The number of votes is likely to be very small.
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| quaid
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hmm
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| quaid
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we could elect a leader who appoints a steering committee?
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| Sparks
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How many in the committee?
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| stickster
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I think there's no point in appointments, when the choices could just as easily be "Would you help me by being responsible for Task X?".
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14:43
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| ke4qqq
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at the same time, what SPOF does that introduce??
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14:43
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| Sparks
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I don't think we need more than a handful of people.
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| ke4qqq
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I tend to agree with that logic
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| ke4qqq
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but understand there is arequirement for us to have some elected leadership
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| stickster
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Yes, there should be someone leading the Docs team, to be certain. I compare this to the Artwork team or the BugZappers, where there is
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| no SCo, but plenty is getting done.
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| stickster
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FESCo on the other hand is in charge of an exceptionally large slice of strategy.
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| Sparks
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What is the election requirement? Just a leader or what?
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| stickster
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Consensus is good enough in this case, as long as it's obtained through the list and not just the people who showed up here for the IRC
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| meeting.
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| stickster
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Again, this is all my opinion as a Docs contributor.
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| jjmcd
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I wonder how many nascent leaders are out there on the list but don't join the meetings because IRC is too old-fashioned, or too-geeky or
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| whatever
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| quaid
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it's fair view, though
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| stickster
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I'm perfectly willing to be shouted down if a lot of people disagree.
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| quaid
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we did steering committee back then because that was the best way
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| quaid
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things have evolved in the overall project, here too
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| stickster
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(or even a few people, for that matter)
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| quaid
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the main reason
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| stickster
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quaid: Right.
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| quaid
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for a steering committee formality
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| quaid
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is to give people "authority" to speak "for docs"
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| quaid
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and I think we have shown that people don't need that title to speak authoritatively
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| stickster
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I agree with that. The point of a meritocracy is that the authority comes from experience and accomplishment.
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| quaid
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otoh, the "one leader" does benefit from the title.
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| stickster
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Except in my case, where someone was fool enough to hire me instead.
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| quaid
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cf. ianweller before and after "wiki czar" title -- he sounds more authoritative, etc.
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| quaid
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(IMO)
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| * jsmith adds to what quaid just said, by saying "... and then jsmith joined the steering committee, and it went to pot"
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| jjmcd
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yeah, good point. To a degree, doesn't the doc lead do that
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| quaid
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stickster: actually, not to belabor, but I think your hiring was a perfect example of meritocracy in action
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| stickster
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Right, and Ian got that title through consensus and the recognition that he was putting a lot of energy into making the wiki better.
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| stickster
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quaid: Stop with the flattery! (your check's in the mail though)
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| quaid
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hmmm ... good stuff this
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| quaid
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so where to next?
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| stickster
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So again, my point is just that as long as Docs has an accountable leader, selected by consensus of people who participate in the work, I
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| think the potential is to create less of an artificial barrier between "we who decide" and "we who do li'l tasks"
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| quaid
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stickster: so you are saying consensus is ok rather than hold an election?
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| stickster
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Yes.
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| * quaid is concerned about how we do that and draw the line, etc.
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| jjmcd
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Concensus can be kind of mushy
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| ke4qqq
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stickster: is that ok with the sub-project guidelines
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| ke4qqq
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I though election was a must?
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| stickster
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ke4qqq: I'm talking specifically about *not* continuing as a subproject
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| stickster
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Oops, scratch that.
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| stickster
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That was the mistaken thought I had in the shower
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| stickster
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this morning... then I realized I was thinking about it the wrong way.
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| stickster
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A subproject has to have clear governance. Not "this particular governance model X."
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| jjmcd
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Are there other distros that do docs better that we can learn from?
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| stickster
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https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Defining_projects#Fedora_Projects
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| quaid
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jjmcd: heh, yeah, RHEL, but I don't want to learn from that model :)
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| stickster
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jjmcd: A question asked since time immemorial... we should constantly be looking at other projects and learning something (good or bad)
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| from them
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| jjmcd
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Admittedly, I haven't looked very hard
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| * stickster has a hard stop in a few minutes, so I'm shutting up now
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| * stickster waits for the market to devalue his $0.02
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| quaid
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ok, so the deal is ...
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| quaid
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we have a current suspension of the existing Docs rules
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| quaid
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Docs defined for itself how to fulfill the governance requirement.
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| quaid
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we are free to decide how to proceed, within the guidelines of having a clear governance for the rest of the world to see.
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| quaid
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what I'd like to do ...
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is decide _on_list_ how to proceed:
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| quaid
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* elections or no
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| quaid
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* steering or no
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| quaid
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* sig or sub-proj
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| quaid
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etc.
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| quaid
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does that make sense?
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| Sparks
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+1
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| jjmcd
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Yes, let's suck in some other voices
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| Sparks
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quaid: I think you already asked those questions in your email to the list. Maybe a poke to the community would help get some responses.
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| jjmcd
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This clear enumeration of the issues is helpful
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| quaid
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can someone else ..
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| quaid
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take a stab at explaining this via the list?
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| ke4qqq
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lets just say if there are no objections we are appointing Jono Bacon head of the docs project......would that get a response? that said I
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| like the clear delination - though I think the no answers are messier than no - because then something else must be defined
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quaid: On it
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| quaid
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Sparks: thx
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| Sparks
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ke4qqq: Who is going to say that?
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| quaid
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ok, time runneth short
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| ke4qqq
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you can - didn't you say you were on it?
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| quaid
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I think we have what we need on this topic, yes?
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| Sparks
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+1
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| ke4qqq
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yes
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| jjmcd
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yep
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| quaid
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two voices so far:
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| quaid
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King_InuYasha has been talking with us on list and in IRC
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| quaid
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and danielsmw (iirc) and basil (via list) have expressed interest
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| quaid
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in supporting any PHP solution.
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| danielsmw
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yup.
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| quaid
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(with Drupal up on the list somewhere.)
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| * herlo thinks Drupal is a fine choice if someone knows it well
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| quaid
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herlo: just duck when jsmith and ianweller are in the room,that's all
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| quaid
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the eyeballs popping from forks is pretty gross.
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| jsmith
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herlo: I refuse to use Drupal. If we go with Drupal, I promise not to touch it.
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| * jjmcd doesn't much care for drupal but is all for it if someone is excited about it
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| danielsmw
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i've expressed interest in drupal before
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| quaid
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ok, that's the status :)
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herlo: Can I be more clear? I'd rather lick a toilet seat than use Drupal for the CMS
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| danielsmw
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but never really for a good reason
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| danielsmw
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so i'm wondering
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| danielsmw
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while we have some people here
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| herlo
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jsmith: start licking
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| danielsmw
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what reasons should we avoid drupal, so that we can add these to a list of characteristics we _should_ look for?
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| quaid
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ok
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| danielsmw
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s/should/shouldn't/
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| quaid
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since we are over our hour ...
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| quaid
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can we take the CMS discussion
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| quaid
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to #fedora-docs
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| danielsmw
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+1
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| quaid
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with the note for the record that ..
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| quaid
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"more discussion on list"
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| jjmcd
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R
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| quaid
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ok then
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| quaid
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R?
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| herlo
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I've stated my preference for WordPress and argue that it's a good CMS, but Drupal can work. I will take this offline, and jsmith, I love
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| you man!
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| jjmcd
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Roger
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| quaid
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cool
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15:02
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| jsmith
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danielsmw: Security record, security record, and it's a resource hog
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| jsmith
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danielsmw: Also, it doesn't play nicely with PostgreSQL
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| jjmcd
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Pefformance is my main beef
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15:03
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| quaid
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ok, discussion continues on #fedora-docs s'il vous plait
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15:03
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| herlo
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moving along?
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15:03
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| jjmcd
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Oui
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| quaid
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closing I think yes
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