| Sparks
| <meeting id="Docs Project">
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| Sparks
| Roll Call!
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| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Welcome to the Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings
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| *Sparks is here
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| *danielsmw is here
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| *laubersm is here
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| *rudi is here
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| *ianweller
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| *jjmcd is here
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| *zoglesby is here
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| ianweller
| .wikilink ianweller
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| zodbot
| ianweller: Ian Weller
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| *radsy is here
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| laubersm
| ianweller, show off
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| ianweller
| :3
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| *joat is here
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| laubersm
| .wikilink laubersm
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| zodbot
| laubersm: Susan Lauber
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| *quaid is here
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| *Sparks waits for ke4qqq and ryanlerch
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| jjmcd
| David sounded like he had to physically travel to be here, haven't seen Ryan yet today
| Mar 18 20:02
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| Sparks
| Well, to not waste time...
| Mar 18 20:02
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| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Beta Announcement
| Mar 18 20:02
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| Sparks
| First, we had the Beta conference call earlier today...
| Mar 18 20:03
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| *rudi peers across the office and notices that Ryan's not at his desk
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| Sparks
| a lot of things were covered and whenever they release the notes I'll pass them along to group via the list.
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| Sparks
| Thanks to ke4qqq for reminding me that he somehow got Docs on the list for creating the Beta Announcement
| Mar 18 20:04
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| quaid
| oops :)
| Mar 18 20:04
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| Sparks
| BUT...
| Mar 18 20:04
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| Sparks
| A special thanks to jjmcd for grabbing the bull by the horns and really creating nice, attention grabbing announcement
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| Sparks
| https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_Beta_Announcement
| Mar 18 20:05
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| Sparks
| Please review it and make recommendations/changes as necessary.
| Mar 18 20:05
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| Sparks
| I especially like the opening paragraph. :)
| Mar 18 20:05
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| jjmcd
| ;-)
| Mar 18 20:06
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| Sparks
| BZ jjmcd
| Mar 18 20:06
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| quaid
| yeah, we can add that as part of Docs standar op procedure each release ... we've had the final announcement duties for a while
| Mar 18 20:06
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| quaid
| but releng has obviously wanted us to do more :)
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| laubersm
| Are we trying to keep it to a "one page"? How much can it grow?
| Mar 18 20:06
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| Sparks
| quaid: Yeah, and I think it is a perfect time for us to summarize the release notes... kinda
| Mar 18 20:06
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| *herlo is semi-here btw...
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| Sparks
| laubersm: I don't want it to grow much more...
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| Sparks
| laubersm: if only because it is supposed to be a summary of a summary...
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| laubersm
| The features page has one liners from proposals but they have some better descriptions in each feature page... that are not much bigger
| Mar 18 20:07
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| Sparks
| laubersm: We just want to get you in the door long enough to download and install the beta.
| Mar 18 20:07
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| Sparks
| +1 for adding interesting items that will pull users/developers in
| Mar 18 20:07
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| *ianweller reads beta announcement
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| jjmcd
| I ripped off some of the text from the talking points, stressed some over whether it was too long
| Mar 18 20:08
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| Sparks
| I think it would be better to have TOO much information in there and have to edit some of it out for brevity.
| Mar 18 20:08
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| laubersm
| ok... I am not a fan of "rebase" or "etc" and I think we should be past "the goal is" thoses are all from the initial feature page summaries - many of those
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| laubersm
| pages ahve better para at the end of the feature page for RN
| Mar 18 20:08
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| quaid
| are we still on the release announcement?
| Mar 18 20:09
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| Sparks
| quaid: yes
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| *laubersm knows how to edit and will... also promises to not get wordy :)
| Mar 18 20:09
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| jjmcd
| Thanks, Susan
| Mar 18 20:09
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| Sparks
| quaid: When do they cut Beta loose?
| Mar 18 20:09
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| jjmcd
| Tues I think
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| ianweller
| announcement looks good
| Mar 18 20:09
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| quaid
| ok, in terms of length, long is bad :)
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: So this needs to be done no later than Sunday eve
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| quaid
| that stuff belongs in the release notes
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| ianweller
| it is a bit wordy, yeah
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| jjmcd
| Yeah, the sked says RNs gotta be done Mon
| Mar 18 20:10
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| ianweller
| "Peek behind the kimono" whirr
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| Sparks
| We want to hit the high points ONLY, IMO
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| joat
| it's a beta announcement... suggest limiting each of the bullet sets to the best 5, with an URL to the rest
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| ianweller
| i suggest limiting the total number of bullets to 10
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| joat
| best 5 of each that is...
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| jjmcd
| Good plan, the trick is figuring out which are the best 5
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: Well, if you have six or seven STRONG points, no foul in putting them all in
| Mar 18 20:11
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| joat
| probably depends on which demographic each set is aiming at
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| ianweller
| i like the beta contest. lol.
| Mar 18 20:12
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| radsy
| last I heard it was the 24th
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| Sparks
| joat: True. Right now it is broken down into "user" and "developer"
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| jjmcd
| that's ripped off from 10
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| Sparks
| Yes
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| Sparks
| I don't think it is a bad way to organize it but I'm not tied to it
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| jjmcd
| If we take out gnome, kde, anaconda and devkit we have 5 5 5, and those are pretty esoteric or limited population IMO
| Mar 18 20:13
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: Let's make sure we are satisfied with it NLT Sunday. We can talk about it more later this week.
| Mar 18 20:14
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| jjmcd
| yep
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| *quaid adds a point to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:F11_Beta_Announcement
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: I don't like taking out gnome and kde...
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| ianweller
| Sparks: combine gnome and kde into one bullet
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| quaid
| yes
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| jjmcd
| Not a bad plan
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| ianweller
| and fwiw the first paragraph seems awkwardly worded but i'm not exactly sure how you would fix it
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| zoglesby
| are we really gaining much from new versions of either?
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| jjmcd
| Updates to the latest window managers gnome 2.6, kde whatever
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| jjmcd
| Not much visible
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| laubersm
| yes - and minimize to just updated to version X - they are only additions of upstream stuff....
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| *laubersm sees that jjmcd already said that :(
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| *ryanlerch apoligises for lateness
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| Sparks
| ryanlerch: You haven't missed your topic yet
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| Sparks
| Okay, anything else on the release announcement?
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| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Publican fix for Fedora? <-- jjmcd
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: You were working on a script to "fix" publican srpms for Fedora.
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| joat
| i still haven't figured that one out yet
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: Where are you with this?
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| jjmcd
| No progress there since last week, although I am convinced that it isn't a big deal
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| Sparks
| Should we just use the old tools as necessary?
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| jjmcd
| I figure I;m trainable -- worst case I write a spc file
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| jjmcd
| I don't know how applicable they are
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| jjmcd
| I am studying them to see what I can rip off tho
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| Sparks
| quaid: We can use the "old" tool to create docs from the Docbook XMLs, correct?
| Mar 18 20:18
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| quaid
| well
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| quaid
| yes, but it's a port back
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| Sparks
| Why?
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| quaid
| hmm
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| jjmcd
| We can create the docs from Pubblican, the only thing we are lacking is the spec file
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| quaid
| maybe not so much, but not sure if you can have
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| quaid
| as single set of XML files that is subservient to both toolchains.
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: We aren't lacking a spec file... We are lacking proper information in the spec file
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| jjmcd
| yes
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| quaid
| e.g. fedora-doc-utils uses an rpm-info.xml file, etc.
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| quaid
| so what jjmcd is doing
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| quaid
| is probably saner, or equally sane.
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| Sparks
| Okay
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| quaid
| either we make one set of XML files work under both, or
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| quaid
| we make it work under Publican and hand-build a .spec file for each guide.
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| quaid
| (which are largely the same spec files, aiui)
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| quaid
| in this case, jjmcd has the f-d-u and stickster_afk's brian to pick.
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| jjmcd
| I figure people write spec files every day and I'm possibly trainable
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| quaid
| with a six of one, half dozen of the other, let's pick whatever moves us the most cm forward.
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| jjmcd
| And getting away from a long ugly toolchain is a win imo
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| quaid
| hey!
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| quaid
| it's not ugly
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: I can show you a "proper" spec file
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| quaid
| it just doesn't have an upstream other than ourselves :)
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| jjmcd
| Well, maybe I should say to a toolchain that somebody else supports
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| *quaid has also heard that said about Publican, fwiw :D
| Mar 18 20:21
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| Sparks
| Well, my concern is that we HAVE to get the Release Notes ready. I'd really like to get the security guide ready before F11, too.
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| jjmcd
| Ryan's work has really moved us much farther along that path than we are accustomed to being at this time
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| Sparks
| +1
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| Sparks
| Okay, let's come back to the release notes in a bit.
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: Let's work on this more this weekend. I THINK I should be around.
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| jjmcd
| good deal
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| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - CMS Update <-- ke4qqq
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| Sparks
| I don't think ke4qqq is around tonight...
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| radsy
| https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/publican-fedora-0.18-0.fc10,publican-0.44-0.fc10 worth testing
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| Sparks
| however I overheard him say that Zikula is now packaged.
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| Sparks
| and that he needs some help getting the modules packaged.
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| Sparks
| Does anyone have anything to add?
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| Sparks
| radsy: Thanks for the link. I'll try that out as it fixes one of my bugs.
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| ianweller
| .whoowns zikula
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| zodbot
| ianweller: No such package exists.
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| *ianweller shrugs :P
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| Sparks
| ianweller: I think it is still going through the process... b
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| Sparks
| but apparently is close
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| ianweller
| woo
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| Sparks
| Okay... next is...
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| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - DocsProject wiki pages changes
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| Sparks
| I'm going to hand the mic over to ianweller who has a few words to say.
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| ianweller
| actually what i had to say was wrt the wiki itself
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| ianweller
| so
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| *ianweller has changed the topic to: Docs Project - woo wiki woo
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| ianweller
| :)
| Mar 18 20:27
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| ianweller
| um i was talking with mmcgrath yesterday and we'll soon be upgrading from MW 1.13.3 to 1.14.0
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| ianweller
| if our extensions still work
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| ianweller
| the release notes mention a multitude of bug fixes and some new features. it's mostly API stuff.
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| ianweller
| i got Main Page renamed to Fedora Project Wiki
| Mar 18 20:29
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| ianweller
| and so now we only have three open tickets on fedora-wiki, which is nice.
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| *danielsmw claps approvingly.
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| Sparks
| What are those tickets? Anything big?
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| ianweller
| on friday, if i don't get distracted, i'll be going through the Packaging.psv file manually
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| ianweller
| Sparks: they're big and not really touchable, they're more infrastructure things
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| ianweller
| https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-wiki/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&milestone=Fedora+11&order=priority
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| ianweller
| except for ticket 2
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| laubersm
| I should be around some of the day - let me know and I'll help
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| ianweller
| laubersm: wonderful
| Mar 18 20:30
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| ianweller
| and as always, if anybody has a problem with the wiki, they can add a ticket at fh.o/fedora-wiki
| Mar 18 20:31
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| ianweller
| everything gets assigned to me by default so i'll see it
| Mar 18 20:31
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| *Sparks writes a bot to log a ticket every minute
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| *ianweller opens a ticket at fedora-infrastructure to ban Sparks
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| ianweller
| ok i'm done :)
| Mar 18 20:32
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| laubersm
| I think we need a new push for how renaming helps search - ie blog posts... I have been seeing renewed enthusiasm for wiki pages but bad name choices
| Mar 18 20:32
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| Sparks
| touche
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| ianweller
| laubersm: if you can lead that effort that'd be great
| Mar 18 20:32
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| ianweller
| i feel like i'm throwing things on you massively lol.
| Mar 18 20:33
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| laubersm
| Marketing and Ambassadors have gotten on board (some) but so many more groups should move meeting pages and archive stuff!
| Mar 18 20:33
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| *Sparks thought there was a howto in the help about naming schemes
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| laubersm
| Even that little bit would help a lot.
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| Sparks
| Maybe some education or something
| Mar 18 20:33
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| jjmcd
| you expect people to read the instructions?
| Mar 18 20:33
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| Sparks
| that or shock therapy
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| zoglesby
| ianweller: didn't you do a blog post about that recently?
| Mar 18 20:34
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| danielsmw
| +1 to shock therapy.
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| laubersm
| There are what - over 10 of us here tonight - that is one blog post per day for over a week about how renaming helps and where to find the docs...
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| ianweller
| zoglesby: i think so
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| ianweller
| recently == long enough ago to forget
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| ianweller
| ;)
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| zoglesby
| lol
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| laubersm
| Yeah ianweller what happened to wiki tip a week? Did you go on to wiki tip per year?
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| ianweller
| laubersm: :) i realize that every now and then
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| ianweller
| and then get horribly distracted. :(
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| zoglesby
| I'm not sure how much people think about titles when they add to the wiki as much as it is get the info out there
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| ianweller
| and/or have nothing to write about
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| laubersm
| zoglesby, the new stuff isn't my biggest concern at the moment - it is cleaning up the old stuff - getting each group to say what stays and what goes.
| Mar 18 20:36
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| Sparks
| ianweller: Is there a naming scheme on the wiki?
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| joat
| I think that once it slides off the front page (if it was there at all), people tend to use search functions rather than indexes
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| laubersm
| A new page was created recently and didn't show in the search - only it did - it was hit number about 800.
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| jjmcd
| I think newer pages show up last
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| ianweller
| Sparks: i really don't know what you're asking
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| Sparks
| we need a page that describes the "proper" way to name a wiki page
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| Sparks
| guidelines... ideas... tips
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| ianweller
| thought we had one
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| ianweller
| somewhere in Help: or FedoraProject:
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| laubersm
| jjmcd, which is an infrastructure issue (and a ticket for ianweller) :) but about half those pages were meeting of F7 or FC4 or ....
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| Sparks
| that's my queston
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| laubersm
| https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Contents
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| laubersm
| Sparks, you are looking for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Wiki_structure
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| Sparks
| yes, tu
| Mar 18 20:38
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| laubersm
| I also need to get this incorporated somewhere: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Laubersm/wiki_cleanup_notes
| Mar 18 20:39
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| Sparks
| Okay, I'll put something out on the blog tonight... If we see someone create a new page that is named poorly let's contact the creator and point them to that help page
| Mar 18 20:40
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| Sparks
| How many "docs" pages do we still need to rename?
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| laubersm
| I think the DocsProject/* pages are all renamed - though many still need updating in content.
| Mar 18 20:41
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| laubersm
| There are some Docs/* pages left though
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| laubersm
| https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Docs_Project
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| jjmcd
| I found a few of the Docs/Beats pages the other night - had a different agenda tho so didn't rename them
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| jjmcd
| But I have a list
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| laubersm
| I have been trying to get them into a category or sub category....
| Mar 18 20:42
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| laubersm
| I would also like to see the Docs Project category with a few less items - ie placed into reasonable sub categories...
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| laubersm
| It is a wiki - be bold - and don't wait for me :)
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| ianweller
| or me :)
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| jjmcd
| third quarter buzzer
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| Sparks
| Okay, anything else for the wiki?
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| ianweller
| newp
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| *ianweller has changed the topic to: Docs Project - not the wiki
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| laubersm
| yeah - what he said
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| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on Release Notes <-- ryanlerch & jjmcd
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| jjmcd
| I have a few notes
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| Sparks
| ryanlerch: jjmcd: What's the word?
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| jjmcd
| 1) Reviewed beats for Beta one page, looks pretty reasonable
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| jjmcd
| 2) quaid assures me we need to do nothing for the one-page
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| jjmcd
| 3) Need better update info on ext4, ke4qqq working on it
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| jjmcd
| 4) Just got an update on EDA from Chitlesh, outstanding
| Mar 18 20:47
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| jjmcd
| 5) There are some places we are weak, but most we can deal with. We need the most help on the Networking beat
| Mar 18 20:47
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| jjmcd
| 6) Ryan moved Publican source to git, I moved a little more from wiki to Publican, looks like Ryan did too. Still work to do there but not in really bad shape.
| Mar 18 20:47
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| jjmcd
| 7) Wiki freeze 4/1, preview RNs due 15th, I estimate 2-3 days work between now and 15th
| Mar 18 20:47
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| jjmcd
| that's the end of my notes
| Mar 18 20:47
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| ryanlerch
| that about sums it up for me as well...
| Mar 18 20:48
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| Sparks
| Okay... Any questions?
| Mar 18 20:49
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| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on Installation Guide <-- ke4qqq
| Mar 18 20:49
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| Sparks
| And ke4qqq is no where to be found...
| Mar 18 20:49
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| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on Security Guide <-- sparks
| Mar 18 20:49
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| Sparks
| Okay...
| Mar 18 20:49
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| Sparks
| actually... radsy, do you have anything for the Security Guide?
| Mar 18 20:50
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| radsy
| there are some minor changes that were brought up from the community review
| Mar 18 20:50
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| radsy
| that i'd like to implement
| Mar 18 20:50
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| rudi
| FWIW, there's a test build of the Publicanized IG now massively expanded with content from its RHEL equivalent available here: http://rlandmann.fedorapeople.org/Installation%20Guide/en-US/
| Mar 18 20:50
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| jjmcd
| I was looking at that -- looks pretty good
| Mar 18 20:51
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| *comraderaikov (n=dsl@96.244.48.168) has joined #fedora-meeting
| Mar 18 20:51
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| radsy
| but still not sure what's happening with packaging etc.
| Mar 18 20:51
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| Sparks
| rudi: I'm sorry, I forgot you were handling that... I'll come back to you in a second.
| Mar 18 20:51
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| rudi
| NP
| Mar 18 20:51
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| Sparks
| radsy: Okay, I just downloaded the new versions of Publican.
| Mar 18 20:51
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| jjmcd
| Are we going to translate the guides to 40 languages, too?
| Mar 18 20:51
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| Sparks
| radsy: I'm going to grab the latest from SVN and package it and put it on the ticket and also let jjmcd have a run at it
| Mar 18 20:52
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| radsy
| ok great
| Mar 18 20:52
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: Yes please
| Mar 18 20:52
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| radsy
| i have been moved to mdious' old selinux confined services guide, so i'm stretching it to have the time to put in much more
| Mar 18 20:53
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| radsy
| by release
| Mar 18 20:53
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| Sparks
| cool
| Mar 18 20:53
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| radsy
| some good feedback from the community however.
| Mar 18 20:54
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| radsy
| that's about all for me
| Mar 18 20:54
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| Sparks
| Okay, anything else for the Sec Guide?
| Mar 18 20:54
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| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on Installation Guide <-- rui
| Mar 18 20:54
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| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on Installation Guide <-- rudi
| Mar 18 20:54
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| Sparks
| rudi: what have you got for us today?
| Mar 18 20:55
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| rudi
| Well, still working on single-sourcing the Fedora and RHEL versions of the guide
| Mar 18 20:55
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| rudi
| There's a lot of content that I've been able to scrounge from the RHEL version to expand the Fedora version
| Mar 18 20:56
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| rudi
| (and that situation will reverse as RHEL 6 looms)
| Mar 18 20:56
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| rudi
| The biggest visual change is lots of pretty pictures :)
| Mar 18 20:56
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| rudi
| (Something like 40 or 50 screenshots now, in 36 languages)
| Mar 18 20:57
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| Sparks
| Wow
| Mar 18 20:57
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| rudi
| A really exciting thing on the L10N front is that there are six languages other than English that are also essentially complete
| Mar 18 20:58
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| Sparks
| That's great!
| Mar 18 20:58
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| rudi
| By a strange co-incidence, I'm currently working on the "Uninstalling RHEL" chapter
| Mar 18 20:58
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| rudi
| Which dovetails nicely with the conversation on f-d-l
| Mar 18 20:58
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| Sparks
| funny how it seems to work that way.
| Mar 18 20:59
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| rudi
| So I'll be drawing on the wiki to augment and expand that material and make it more Fedora-specific
| Mar 18 20:59
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| Sparks
| So will have be in the Installation guide?
| Mar 18 20:59
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| *Tsagadai (n=ccurran@nat/redhat/x-9df8e12e00bd2639) has joined #Fedora-meeting
| Mar 18 20:59
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| Sparks
| So will that be in the Installation guide?
| Mar 18 20:59
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| rudi
| Seems like a logical place for it
| Mar 18 20:59
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| Sparks
| in some sort of weird world, yes.
| Mar 18 21:00
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| Sparks
| kinda like having to "start" to shut down
| Mar 18 21:00
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| Sparks
| :)
| Mar 18 21:00
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| rudi
| Heh indeed :)
| Mar 18 21:00
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| jjmcd
| Sounds like Windows - to stop click start
| Mar 18 21:00
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| jjmcd
| yeah
| Mar 18 21:00
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| rudi
| I should have finished preparing that sometime in the next few hours
| Mar 18 21:00
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| laubersm
| rudi - feel free to add to the wiki page too... at least a link that there is more info in <other place>
| Mar 18 21:00
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| rudi
| thanks laubersm
| Mar 18 21:01
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| Sparks
| quaid: No one follows us at this hour, correct?
| Mar 18 21:01
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| rudi
| But anyway, that's about it.
| Mar 18 21:01
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| Sparks
| cool
| Mar 18 21:01
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| Sparks
| Anyone have any questions or comments?
| Mar 18 21:01
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| *jjmcd doesn't hear anyone beating on the door
| Mar 18 21:01
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| danielsmw
| I just wanted to say that a few of us ended up making an odfpy07 package which, when installed, fixes the problems we were having with mw-render. I'm going to try to get that approved as a fedora package and hopefully mw-render will be back in business.
| Mar 18 21:01
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| danielsmw
| Then the UG can be converted and done.
| Mar 18 21:02
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| danielsmw
| And that's all. :)
| Mar 18 21:02
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| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on User Guide <--danielsmw
| Mar 18 21:02
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| Sparks
| So what danielsmw said... :)
| Mar 18 21:02
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| danielsmw
| No, really! That was all!
| Mar 18 21:03
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| danielsmw
| Basically
| Mar 18 21:03
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| danielsmw
| kirkz has been doing
| Mar 18 21:03
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| Sparks
| Anyone have any questions?
| Mar 18 21:03
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| danielsmw
| an amazing about of editing.
| Mar 18 21:03
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| danielsmw
| so we just need to convert to xml.
| Mar 18 21:03
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| Sparks
| excellent
| Mar 18 21:03
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| Sparks
| Okay... moving right along...
| Mar 18 21:04
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| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on SELinux Guide <-- mdious
| Mar 18 21:04
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| Sparks
| I don't think mdious is onboard tonight.
| Mar 18 21:04
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| ianweller
| he is not.
| Mar 18 21:04
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| radsy
| i've been moved to this guide
| Mar 18 21:04
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| *danielsmw has quit ("Lost terminal")
| Mar 18 21:04
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| Sparks
| radsy: Okay, do you have anything you'd like to say?
| Mar 18 21:04
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| radsy
| mdious left the docs team
| Mar 18 21:04
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| Sparks
| really?
| Mar 18 21:05
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| ianweller
| wha
| Mar 18 21:05
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| radsy
| very little to report for the managing-confined-services guide, only minor changes and lots of planning
| Mar 18 21:05
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| radsy
| he's gone to the other side of our office, the security response team
| Mar 18 21:05
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| Sparks
| wow
| Mar 18 21:06
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| Sparks
| Okay, so any questions about the SELinux guide?
| Mar 18 21:06
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| ianweller
| :(
| Mar 18 21:06
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| radsy
| thought you all knew :\
| Mar 18 21:06
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| Sparks
| radsy: Nope, hadn't heard that
| Mar 18 21:07
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| radsy
| well, no questions or major updates really, still early days
| Mar 18 21:08
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| Sparks
| Okay...
| Mar 18 21:08
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| *Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Open Discussion
| Mar 18 21:08
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| laubersm
| Another thing I noticed that needs to be done at some point... is a cleanup of bugzilla (Classification: Fedora - Product: Fedora Documentation)
| Mar 18 21:08
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| Sparks
| Anyone have anything?
| Mar 18 21:08
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| laubersm
| https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=Fedora&product=Fedora%20Documentation&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED
| Mar 18 21:08
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| laubersm
| 83 bugs?
| Mar 18 21:08
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| laubersm
| A lot look like they are auto assigned to quaid or stickster_afk
| Mar 18 21:09
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| Sparks
| laubersm: I don't think I have access to those bugs...
| Mar 18 21:09
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| Sparks
| quaid: You still here?
| Mar 18 21:09
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| laubersm
| I closed a bunch as wont fix - EOL
| Mar 18 21:09
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| Sparks
| laubersm: Cool.
| Mar 18 21:09
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| laubersm
| .fasinfo laubersm
| Mar 18 21:09
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| Sparks
| laubersm: How many are left?
| Mar 18 21:09
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| zodbot
| laubersm: User: laubersm, Name: Susan Lauber, email: susan@ties.org, Creation: 2008-09-26, IRC Nick: , Timezone: US/Eastern, Locale: en, Extension: 5115531, GPG key ID: BFA10974
| Mar 18 21:09
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| zodbot
| laubersm: Approved Groups: cla_done fedorabugs docs sysadmin ambassadors cla_fedora sysadmin-test gitinstall-guide gitwikirename gituser-guide
| Mar 18 21:09
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| zodbot
| laubersm: Unapproved Groups: None
| Mar 18 21:09
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| laubersm
| quaid, and stickster_afk helped me get fedorabugs group in fas
| Mar 18 21:10
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| laubersm
| that let me work on some cleanup.
| Mar 18 21:10
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| Sparks
| ahhh
| Mar 18 21:10
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| Sparks
| cool
| Mar 18 21:10
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| Sparks
| I'll check on that.
| Mar 18 21:10
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| laubersm
| But I don't really have time right now to add that to my list of things to do.
| Mar 18 21:10
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| Sparks
| Anyone have anything else?
| Mar 18 21:10
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| Sparks
| 5
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| Sparks
| 4
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| Sparks
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| Sparks
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| Sparks
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| Sparks
| Thanks everyone for coming!
| Mar 18 21:11
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| Sparks
| </meeting>
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