| Sparks
| <meeting id="Docs">
| 20:00
|
| -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
| 20:00
|
| Sparks
| Roll call...
| 20:00
|
| * Sparks is here
| 20:00
|
| * ke4qqq is here
| 20:00
|
| * sk0rd is here
| 20:01
|
| * jjmcd is somewhere
| 20:01
|
| * rudi is here
| 20:02
|
| * laubersm is here
| 20:02
|
| * Sparks gives a few more minutes for everyone to show up
| 20:03
|
| * laubersm goes to get a drink - brb
| 20:03
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| ianweller
| if you need me, ping me, i'll be distracted mostly
| 20:03
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| Sparks
| ianweller: We need you
| 20:03
|
| ianweller
| *thud*
| 20:03
|
| Sparks
| Okay... let's get started.
| 20:05
|
| laubersm
| mmmm
| 20:05
|
| Sparks
| ke4qqq: Can you handle the log for tonight?
| 20:05
|
| ke4qqq
| sure
| 20:05
|
| Sparks
| ke4qqq: Thanks
| 20:05
|
| -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Meeting - Release Announcement
| 20:05
|
| Sparks
| Okay... This has been moved up to high priority.
| 20:06
|
| * ianweller removes that pot from the back burner
| 20:06
|
| Sparks
| https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Announcement_for_F11
| 20:06
|
| Sparks
| I had writer's block over the weekend and I won't be around this weekend.
| 20:06
|
| Sparks
| Since the release has been pushed back by a week we have a little breathing room...
| 20:07
|
| SgtDitt
| here
| 20:07
|
| Sparks
| however we need to get this done ASAP so the translators can get on it.
| 20:07
|
| Sparks
| Who can write up a draft that we can look at?
| 20:07
|
| Sparks
| Don't everyone volunteer at once, now... I'd hate to crash the IRC network
| 20:08
|
| Sparks
| ianweller: Do you have some time to write an opening paragraph for the announcement?
| 20:09
|
| rudi
| Sparks - I can do it, but it will be a few days before I get to it.
| 20:09
|
| ianweller
| Sparks: "We're awesome."
| 20:09
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| rudi
| (over the weekend0
| 20:09
|
| ianweller
| Sparks: but in all seriousness i could come up withs omething and get it to the list tonight
| 20:09
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| Sparks
| rudi: Okay. The schedule says that we were supposed to begin this today and have it done by Friday... that was before the push
| 20:09
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| Sparks
| ianweller: put it on the wiki... that way it's already there
| 20:10
|
| ianweller
| well, yeah. ping the list that i actually did it too
| 20:10
|
| Sparks
| yeah
| 20:10
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| ianweller
| that was what i meant to say :P
| 20:10
|
| Sparks
| :)
| 20:10
|
| Sparks
| Cool
| 20:10
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| Sparks
| ianweller: rudi: thanks!
| 20:10
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| sk0rd
| I'll shoot for a draft on the page as well
| 20:11
|
| ianweller
| so the rel announcement is gonna be i18n'd?
| 20:11
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| Sparks
| How is this presented to the "customers"?
| 20:11
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| Sparks
| ianweller: Supposedly
| 20:11
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| Sparks
| ianweller: which is confusing me because I'm not sure how it's being propagated
| 20:11
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| ianweller
| Sparks: mailing list usually
| 20:12
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| Sparks
| Maybe we can get that answer when stickster_afk shows up.
| 20:12
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| Sparks
| ianweller: Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Maybe I misread the schedule
| 20:12
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| laubersm
| I think we are reposonsible for an English annoucement for emails. But a lot of locations like to translate and tweak it for their regions
| 20:13
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| laubersm
| I do not think it has ever been a tranfix thing
| 20:13
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| Sparks
| I'm good with that.
| 20:13
|
| laubersm
| but that may of changed...
| 20:13
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| jjmcd
| The instructions say to keep that in mind
| 20:13
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| ianweller
| yeah so write it as if it were to be translated
| 20:13
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| Sparks
| So should they be put somewhere and "translated" into XML?
| 20:13
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| jjmcd
| Some translated literally, other parts may be radically revised in translation
| 20:14
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| jjmcd
| I don't think so. Sounds like most will be rewritten for the target geography
| 20:14
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| laubersm
| Sparks, I do think we have in the past but we'll have to check with our elders (quaid, stickster_afk )
| 20:14
|
| laubersm
| opp
| 20:14
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| laubersm
| do NOT think we have
| 20:14
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| Sparks
| laubersm: Yeah, where are those old people?
| 20:15
|
| Sparks
| Okay... looks like we have this moving
| 20:16
|
| Sparks
| I appreciate it.
| 20:16
|
| laubersm
| "Turn up the volume (if you can), select a mode for video - the Lion roars as Fedora 11 arrives"
| 20:16
|
| laubersm
| too snarky ?
| 20:16
|
| Sparks
| Nope
| 20:16
|
| Sparks
| :)
| 20:16
|
| Sparks
| Okay, we'll talk about this more after the meeting...
| 20:17
|
| Sparks
| any questions?
| 20:17
|
| * jjmcd will be sure to be around to make jabs at ianweller
| 20:17
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: Much appreciated
| 20:17
|
| Sparks
| Okay... moving on...
| 20:17
|
| -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Meeting - Status on Release Notes <-- ryanlerch & jjmcd
| 20:17
|
| Sparks
| How are them there Release Notes coming?
| 20:17
|
| * jjmcd hasn't caught up on all the cool stuff laubersm, rudi, zoglesby, etc. did while he was playing at Dayton
| 20:18
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| laubersm
| jjmcd, yeah about that....
| 20:18
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: Oh there were many things that happened while you were away
| 20:18
|
| laubersm
| I think rudi was on top of adding the last minutes items and getting a new pot
| 20:19
|
| rudi
| Yep all done.
| 20:19
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| laubersm
| I assume everything else just goes on the wiki
| 20:19
|
| jjmcd
| We do a 0-day RPM
| 20:19
|
| rudi
| There were a couple of bugs filed overnight about Section IDs and re-adding the Common Bugs section from F10
| 20:20
|
| jjmcd
| Yeah, I saw that
| 20:20
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| rudi
| I've confirmed that we could do this with practically no impact to L10N
| 20:20
|
| laubersm
| jjmcd, from what is being translated now? or are we pushing one more pot too?
| 20:20
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| Sparks
| I've noted a few messages on the list talking about updates
| 20:20
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| jjmcd
| If nobody else is making a bunch of changes I can go ahead and add the id's
| 20:20
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| jjmcd
| We are scheduled to push a pot immediately after release
| 20:21
|
| jjmcd
| seemd weird but
| 20:21
|
| laubersm
| jjmcd, I think that one is to then update docs.fp.o
| 20:21
|
| rudi
| jjmcd I've got them done and ready to push...
| 20:21
|
| jjmcd
| yes, i think that is correct
| 20:21
|
| laubersm
| no more rpms after GA - though we could push one through updates if we wanted
| 20:21
|
| jjmcd
| cool
| 20:21
|
| * quaid is able to be here now for a short bit
| 20:22
|
| rudi
| There was also a request to add a note about libguestfs, but I think this is way too late now, yes?
| 20:22
|
| * jjmcd is doing some reports for MSP, not going well, Eric's writer's block is catching
| 20:22
|
| laubersm
| if anything else comes in before we build the ga rpm - then it sounds like we can add a link to the wiki info without bothering the translators
| 20:23
|
| laubersm
| is that true?
| 20:23
|
| quaid
| translators? for release announcement?
| 20:23
|
| * quaid is confused now
| 20:23
|
| jjmcd
| We did get a week push back
| 20:23
|
| laubersm
| then it is "in" the rpm for those looking there to know there is more info "somewhere"
| 20:23
|
| jjmcd
| quaid: previous topic
| 20:24
|
| sk0rd
| can someone speak more to the push back? docs is my only insight as to what's going on
| 20:24
|
| quaid
| jjmcd: we need to revisit when we get a chance, there is a misconception underway
| 20:24
|
| ke4qqq
| sk0rd: we'll talk in #f-d
| 20:24
|
| quaid
| sk0rd: release engineering in yesterday's meetings declared a week slip in the schedule
| 20:24
|
| Sparks
| quaid: I must have misread the schedule. There isn't anything about translating the annoucement on there now
| 20:24
|
| quaid
| Sparks: can I speak on that now? or wait until a topic change soonest?
| 20:25
|
| Sparks
| quaid: Go for it
| 20:25
|
| quaid
| ok, I've tried to make this clear on some wiki page that I can't find right now :)
| 20:25
|
| quaid
| there are two deliverables --
| 20:25
|
| jjmcd
| /Releases/Announcements
| 20:25
|
| quaid
| 1. A set of clear top-five talking points for _others_ to use when constructing their own, native language, locale-specific (humor, no humor, etc.) release announcement
| 20:26
|
| quaid
| 2. A whimsical, English-only release announcement that i) uses those same talking points (functionally similar to locally written announcements), but ii) is not for
| 20:26
|
| l10n itself because of idiomatic/culture specific content
|
| quaid
| it is the latter that is the main need from Docs
| 20:27
|
| quaid
| the former is more handled by Marketing, but $someone needs to tell f-amb-l and f-trans-l
| 20:27
|
| quaid
| that the points are ready for them to use for their own locale-specific write-up.
| 20:27
|
| quaid
| <eof>
| 20:27
|
| jjmcd
| OK, that was mostly my understanding except it wasn't clear that Marketing was handling the former, Docs the latter, nor was the top-five clear
| 20:28
|
| jjmcd
| Releases/Announcements makes it sound like some undefined body
| 20:29
|
| quaid
| well, to be honest, I'm not clear if Marketing has that former task on their schedule
| 20:29
|
| laubersm
| that is even easier than what I said - I thought 1 came more from 2 ... but that it was still just a write up (no xml or tx from docs).
| 20:29
|
| quaid
| I sort-of dropped that ball this release, since I've been the main driver on that for the last several
| 20:29
|
| quaid
| laubersm: it's also honestly fun -- you should do it!
| 20:29
|
| laubersm
| "Turn up the volume (if you can), select a mode for video - the Lion roars as Fedora 11 arrives"
| 20:29
|
| laubersm
| that was my attempt :)
| 20:29
|
| quaid
| heh
| 20:30
|
| laubersm
| seems a bit snarky even for the english version
| 20:30
|
| laubersm
| :)
| 20:30
|
| jjmcd
| laubersm, seems to me Fedora's image is a little "corporate", snarky might be good
| 20:30
|
| quaid
| https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_announcement_template
| 20:30
|
| quaid
| https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_announcements
| 20:31
|
| quaid
| there we go!
| 20:31
|
| sk0rd
| the l10n reference is a bit obscure. With the art team working on grecian references, why not duplicate the theme
| 20:31
|
| quaid
| that has a link to all previous whimsical announcements
| 20:31
|
| * laubersm notes it is only in a Marketing Category - no wonder we we didn't have it here in docs...
| 20:31
|
| quaid
| there is no pattern on theme duplication or ref. to release name, although that is a popular theme.
| 20:31
|
| * laubersm logs into wiki...
| 20:32
|
| quaid
| um, Release_announcements is in [[Category:Docs Project]]
| 20:32
|
| laubersm
| the template is not
| 20:33
|
| laubersm
| or WAS not
| 20:33
|
| laubersm
| :)
| 20:33
|
| * laubersm also moved the [[Category: to the bottom where it belongs
| 20:33
|
| Sparks
| laubersm: ianweller will thank you
| 20:33
|
| laubersm
| :)
| 20:34
|
| jjmcd
| hmmmm, reading the F10 announcement, I hope there was an en-GB version
| 20:34
|
| Sparks
| ?
| 20:35
|
| jjmcd
| might work for nl, or even en-AU, but not the straight laced Brits
| 20:35
|
| * ianweller thanks laubersm
| 20:35
|
| Sparks
| laubersm: See, I told you
| 20:35
|
| quaid
| one other point, not sure if it is on that page ...
| 20:37
|
| quaid
| but the whimsical announcement must be approved by the sitting FPL, in this case, stickster_afk
| 20:37
|
| quaid
| just give him ~24 hours heads up
| 20:37
|
| jjmcd
| most of us would value his counsel anyway
| 20:37
|
| Sparks
| most of us wonder why he bails on us these days
| 20:38
|
| jjmcd
| Probably he has more to do than just chill on IRC, just guessing
| 20:38
|
| jjmcd
| Isn't he about to head to Romania?
| 20:38
|
| Sparks
| Probably
| 20:39
|
| Sparks
| I don't know... haven't heard anything about Romania
| 20:39
|
| sk0rd
| ok, next topic?
| 20:39
|
| sk0rd
| ;)
| 20:39
|
| Sparks
| Okay.. anything else on the announcement?
| 20:39
|
| * quaid is done and has to vaporize now
| 20:39
|
| jjmcd
| I thought I heard he was speaking in Bucharest this weekend
| 20:39
|
| Sparks
| wow
| 20:39
|
| Sparks
| Okay... anything else on the RNs?
| 20:40
|
| -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Meeting - Review http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/f-11-docs-tasks.html schedule
| 20:40
|
| jjmcd
| </rn>
| 20:40
|
| rudi
| Just confirmation that we agree that libguestfs is too late?
| 20:40
|
| Sparks
| too late for zero-day?
| 20:41
|
| rudi
| Yeah
| 20:41
|
| jjmcd
| The schedule saysfinal snapshot today and release pushed back a week, so I would say no, not too late
| 20:41
|
| Sparks
| yeah, I think we should take advantage of the push
| 20:41
|
| rudi
| OK - but I guess we should get confirmation that L10N is happy with that...
| 20:41
|
| jjmcd
| I agree
| 20:42
|
| rudi
| OK - I'll ask :)
| 20:42
|
| jjmcd
| today = today zulu time
| 20:42
|
| rudi
| Doesn't that mean that the translations would need to be completed by today?
| 20:43
|
| Sparks
| how many changes need to be fixed?
| 20:44
|
| jjmcd
| It says build rpm 5/25
| 20:44
|
| jjmcd
| Seems like there has been a flood of bugs today
| 20:44
|
| rudi
| Sparks - the section IDs (fixed), the Common Bugs section (fixed, but one problem), and the request to add libguestfs to the RN
| 20:45
|
| Sparks
| so... five lines?
| 20:45
|
| rudi
| Checking...
| 20:46
|
| rudi
| Yep
| 20:46
|
| Sparks
| cool
| 20:47
|
| Sparks
| that shouldn't be too bad to "repair'
| 20:47
|
| rudi
| There are also requests for documentation of two bugs, one in anaconda and one in libfprint, but I think they can go on the Common bugs page on the wiki, yes?
| 20:48
|
| Sparks
| I would think so
| 20:48
|
| Sparks
| Anything else?
| 20:50
|
| rudi
| Not that I'm aware of
| 20:50
|
| -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Meeting - Guides
| 20:50
|
| Sparks
| Okay, due to the hour I'm not going to go through all the guides
| 20:50
|
| Sparks
| does anyone need anything for their guides or is anyone having any problems?
| 20:51
|
| * ke4qqq needs more time
| 20:51
|
| Sparks
| for the IG?
| 20:51
|
| ke4qqq
| but thankfully rudi is doing a great job of keep things moving
| 20:51
|
| Sparks
| You have a week more!
| 20:51
|
| ke4qqq
| lol wow - granted my wish :)
| 20:52
|
| rudi
| ke4qqq - what needs doing?
| 20:52
|
| ke4qqq
| rudi: I was talking about I need more time - as far as I know the IG is in good shape, we probably need to get the final release ready (get rid of draft tag) but we
| 20:52
|
| can talk in a bit and not hold up the meeting
|
| rudi
| OK - yep :)
| 20:53
|
| -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Meeting - Open Floor
| 20:54
|
| Sparks
| Okay, anyone have anything they want to discuss?
| 20:54
|
| rudi
| Translators have noticed a couple of glitches in the big, merged PO files for both the IG and UG, but I've suggested we wait until Transifex 0.6 is available rather than
| 20:54
|
| do anything about these now
|
| ke4qqq
| Me!
| 20:54
|
| jjmcd
| Do I gather we have agreement on everything in Publican for 12?:
| 20:54
|
| sk0rd
| I did, heck if I can remember.
| 20:54
|
| ke4qqq
| https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_SELF <--- Docs FAD
| 20:54
|
| laubersm
| jjmcd, I agree - but can we have less than everything ?
| 20:54
|
| Sparks
| jjmcd: Not yet
| 20:55
|
| sk0rd
| ah, new contributors, hand raised when ready.
| 20:55
|
| Sparks
| jjmcd: I'd like to have a free minute or two to really think about it. I didn't see anything objectionable, though
| 20:55
|
| Sparks
| ke4qqq: Okay... go with your shameless plug
| 20:55
|
| ke4qqq
| honestly I think we are in a poor place to make that decision jjmcd - immediately before release - extremely busy with all of that - might make for less than reasoned
| 20:56
|
| look.
|
| ke4qqq
| We have a docs fad at the above link
| 20:56
|
| ke4qqq
| you should all attend
| 20:56
|
| ke4qqq
| (And SELF the day before)
| 20:56
|
| ke4qqq
| ianweller is going to teach packaging
| 20:56
|
| Sparks
| ke4qqq: That's all you got?
| 20:56
|
| jjmcd
| ke4qqq, I can buy that. I was just hoping to check one more thing off the list :-)
| 20:56
|
| ke4qqq
| and hopefully we can hash this out.
| 20:56
|
| * Sparks is still contemplating on how to get down there
| 20:56
|
| ke4qqq
| that is it from me
| 20:56
|
| Sparks
| ke4qqq: how many Fedora hams are going to be there?
| 20:57
|
| Sparks
| ke4qqq: Maybe a designated simplex freq?
| 20:57
|
| * laubersm prods Sparks to get to the "new contributor" before time runs out
| 20:57
|
| ke4qqq
| 2 that I know of.
| 20:57
|
| Sparks
| ke4qqq: ok
| 20:57
|
| ke4qqq
| I'll add that
| 20:57
|
| Sparks
| sk0rd: Go ahead!
| 20:57
|
| sk0rd
| I've been really happy with the time that people have spent with me, but I've noticed quite a few introductions and whatnot through the mailing list
| 20:58
|
| * jjmcd has been emailing applicants to get intros
| 20:58
|
| sk0rd
| as far as getting people involved, does anyone have any thoughts on improving the documentation on... joining documentation and getting started?
| 20:58
|
| Sparks
| sk0rd: We need to get on that as well. This is just a really "bad" time to join as we are rushing to get everything finished for the release
| 20:59
|
| laubersm
| I think a lot of us have ideas but no one has settled down enough to get it done.
| 20:59
|
| laubersm
| sk0rd, I came in about this time one release ago to the same issues
| 20:59
|
| Sparks
| but we should make it a priority to be better with being able to get new members on track early
| 20:59
|
| sk0rd
| Sparks, it is so for senior contributors yes
| 20:59
|
| jjmcd
| Sparks, gotta strike while the iron is hot, tho
| 21:00
|
| Sparks
| Oh, I agree!
| 21:00
|
| sk0rd
| perhaps I'll try and hit on it
| 21:00
|
| Sparks
| There will be changes for F12.
| 21:00
|
| sk0rd
| </comment>
| 21:00
|
| laubersm
| sk0rd, no - any one - if there is something that wasn't clear to you before and somehow is now - please jump in and expand in the join docs!
| 21:00
|
| laubersm
| I and others have been prodding quaid and stickster_afk to go through and "fix up" the pages too
| 21:01
|
| laubersm
| with their years of wisdom
| 21:01
|
| ianweller
| ke4qqq: oh i am teaching packaging? interesting.
| 21:01
|
| Sparks
| ianweller: You are now
| 21:01
|
| ke4qqq
| by fiat
| 21:01
|
| jjmcd
| you are our leading expert
| 21:01
|
| ke4qqq
| :)
| 21:01
|
| laubersm
| ianweller, the CMS is to be all packaged before you can sleep
| 21:01
|
| laubersm
| the more people you teach, the more likely you will get to sleep
| 21:02
|
| * laubersm says knowing she will not be able to be there
| 21:02
|
| ianweller
| looks like i'm getting no sleep
| 21:02
|
| ke4qqq
| ianweller: I tried to get jds2001, but looks like he is unavailable
| 21:02
|
| ianweller
| ke4qqq: oic.
| 21:02
|
| ke4qqq
| and then Max said sending you was 'the right thing to do'
| 21:02
|
| ke4qqq
| :)
| 21:02
|
| ianweller
| i saw that
| 21:03
|
| jjmcd
| THat way you'll be all practiced up to teach at FUDcon
| 21:04
|
| Sparks
| Okay, anything else?
| 21:05
|
| Sparks
| I'd like to mention that I'll be helping my wife move for the summer (summer internship) beginning tomorrow and I won't be back until Monday. I won't have Internet
| 21:07
|
| access during this time so I'm turning over the conn to jjmcd for the weekend.
|
| laubersm
| excellent!
| 21:07
|
| * jjmcd will be around
| 21:07
|
| Sparks
| Okay, anything else?
| 21:08
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| jjmcd
| Sparks, Does that mean you will be batching it for the summer?
| 21:08
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: pretty much
| 21:08
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| Sparks
| pizza and soda all summer long
| 21:08
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| jjmcd
| Ooooh, bad. Gotta fend for yourself
| 21:08
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| * jjmcd suspects Sparks needs time in .de to learn things that go better with pizza
| 21:09
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| Sparks
| I have some projects to work on over the summer... maybe that will keep me out of trouble.
| 21:09
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| * Sparks is too poor to go to .de...
| 21:09
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| Sparks
| okay, anything else?
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| Sparks
| 5
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| Sparks
| 4
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| Sparks
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| Sparks
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| Sparks
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| Sparks
| </meeting>
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