| Sparks
| #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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| Sparks
| #topic Roll Call
| 00:01
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| * Sparks
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| * danielsmw is here.
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| * itbegins is here
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| jjmcd
| hier ben ik
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| * ianweller
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| * rudi is here
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| ianweller
| quaid: over here, not #fedora-meeting-1 ;)
| 00:02
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| quaid
| heh, like I can tell the difference in irssi
| 00:03
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| * quaid is here, too
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| itbegins
| ping me if you need me for a topic I can help with (i.e. the CMS)
| 00:03
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| * ianweller assigns itbegins to something non-CMS related ;)
| 00:04
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| Sparks
| itbegins: Oh we'll be talking CMS tonight
| 00:04
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| itbegins
| ianweller, I wouldn't do that if you want it to get done
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| ianweller
| hehe
| 00:04
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| itbegins
| Last week's work hours: 7.30-19.00, 7.30-18.30, 8.00-22.30, 8.00-22.30, 8.00-18.00
| 00:05
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| itbegins
| anyway, I'm polluting the meeting log...
| 00:05
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| quaid
| what? you took the weekend OFF?
| 00:06
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| * quaid *cough* slacker *cough* ;-D
| 00:06
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| Sparks
| Okay, let's get started...
| 00:06
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| itbegins
| quaid, no weekend working for the time being. I get that off to explore Manhattan
| 00:06
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| Sparks
| #topic Last week's action items
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| Sparks
| Sparks to follow up with Pascal Calarco from News to make sure we are including all packages necessary for Zikula for them.
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| Sparks
| #action Sparks to follow up with Pascal Calarco from News to make sure we are including all packages necessary for Zikula for them. -- Second Alarm
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| Sparks
| Yeah, I didn't get that done.
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| Sparks
| Sparks to write rollout plan for license change... 2nd alarm
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| Sparks
| done
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| Sparks
| #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule
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| Sparks
| We'll come back to this one a little later.
| 00:07
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| Sparks
| rudi to help sparks on changing the fedora-brand in Publican for CC license
| 00:07
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| Sparks
| #action rudi to help sparks on changing the fedora-brand in Publican for CC license -- Second Alarm
| 00:08
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| rudi
| Well, I've got a sample in place here:
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| rudi
| http://rlandmann.fedorapeople.org/license/
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| Sparks
| rudi: We'll come back to this one but I think you are on the right track.
| 00:08
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| Sparks
| rudi: Cool. We'll hit that one in a few when we get to the license discussion.
| 00:08
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| rudi
| Now including attribution information after discussions on the list yesterday
| 00:08
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| rudi
| KK
| 00:08
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| Sparks
| Sparks to package the three GPL editors for Zikula
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| Sparks
| #action Sparks to package the three GPL editors for Zikula -- Second Alarm
| 00:09
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| Sparks
| Stickster to blog to see if we can get some PHP/JS folks to help with out with some Zikula modules.
| 00:09
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| Sparks
| stickster_afk isn't here but I think this was done.
| 00:09
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| danielsmw
| It was; I saw it.
| 00:09
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| Sparks
| Cool
| 00:09
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| Sparks
| Sparks to put a note on the list about Shared Open-Source Style Guide
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| itbegins
| I am sort of working on this as well
| 00:09
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| itbegins
| from the Zikula community side
| 00:10
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| Sparks
| itbegins: cool
| 00:10
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| itbegins
| I've been contacted by stickster_afk, I just have to write an article on the Zikula site. Likelihood of serious replies is limited, but i'll give it a go
| 00:10
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| Sparks
| Does anyone want to handle the Shared Open-Source Style Guide stuff? I just haven't had time to read up on it all and write about it.
| 00:10
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| Sparks
| #action Sparks to put a note on the list about Shared Open-Source Style Guide
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| Sparks
| Sparks to create BZ component Deployment Guide
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| Sparks
| Yeah, I failed on this one too...
| 00:12
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| * rudi will take it but is time poor right now
| 00:12
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| Sparks
| rudi: The Open-Source guide?
| 00:12
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| Sparks
| rudi: or the BZ component
| 00:12
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| rudi
| Sparks -- the OS guide
| 00:12
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| Sparks
| #action rudi to put a note on the list about Shared Open-Source Style Guide
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| Sparks
| rudi: Thank you
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| Sparks
| I'll get on the BZ component tonight.
| 00:13
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| Sparks
| #action Sparks to create BZ component Deployment Guide --Second alarm
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| quaid
| Sparks: I'd like to help move the shared style guide stuff along, yeah
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| Sparks
| Excellent
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| Sparks
| quaid: ke4qqq was going to work on it but he's gotten real busy lately for known reasons...
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| Sparks
| and I think the more people that get on that project the better
| 00:14
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| quaid
| yeah, coordinate on list, sounds fine
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| Sparks
| cool
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| Sparks
| Sparks to write up CVE checking/validation procedures in the wiki
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| Sparks
| This is inprogress.
| 00:15
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| Sparks
| #action Sparks to write up CVE checking/validation procedures in the wiki --second alarm
| 00:15
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| Sparks
| Okay, that's all from last week. Anyone have any other "old business"?
| 00:15
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| Sparks
| #topic Status on CMS (Zikula) <-- ke4qqq
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| Sparks
| Well, ke4qqq isn't here with us tonight...
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| Sparks
| but we had a meeting earlier today and got a few more items straight.
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| Sparks
| J5 joined us today and will be working on some of the javascript problems we are having
| 00:17
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| Sparks
| so hopefully all that will be squared away soon.
| 00:17
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| Sparks
| I got volunteered to rebuild the Zikula instance on PT15 so that will either happen later tonight or tomorrow.
| 00:18
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| Sparks
| Does anyone have anything questions or ideas?
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| itbegins
| Sparks, do you know what to install etc?
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| Sparks
| itbegins: I'll be installing all the packages we have in the repo.
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| itbegins
| Sparks, ok, then run install.php
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| Sparks
| Cool, thanks.
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| itbegins
| Sparks, you'll need a database ready
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| Sparks
| ya
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| itbegins
| in fact, it would be best if you didn't install from scratch and just pointed the new files to the old DB
| 00:20
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| itbegins
| due to the amount of setup work I did
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| Sparks
| I could do that, too.
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| itbegins
| though it can be replicated with a bit of work
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| Sparks
| I don't plan on wipeing that out.
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| itbegins
| if you want to do that, save /config/config.php from the old system
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| itbegins
| I assume it will be puppetized anyway
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| Sparks
| eventually, yes.
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| Sparks
| This is a preparation to puppetizing everything.
| 00:21
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| itbegins
| THere's also FASAuth (the FAS login module) and the theme
| 00:21
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| itbegins
| I sent the source to ke4qqq previously
| 00:21
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| ricky
| Is the FAS module in git somewhere or anything like that?
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| Sparks
| I don't think those have been packaged.
| 00:21
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| Sparks
| But we need to get those in the repo asap.
| 00:21
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| ricky
| We can get it in the fedora-infrastructure git repo if you'd like
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| ricky
| Ah, they'll be RPMs - that's fine too :-)
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| Sparks
| ricky: Yeah, everything will be RPMed for ease of use
| 00:22
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| ricky
| Cool, we like RPMs :-)
| 00:22
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| Sparks
| Okay, anything else?
| 00:23
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| itbegins
| That's it from my side
| 00:24
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| Sparks
| #topic Status on CC license rollout.\
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| Sparks
| #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule
| 00:24
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| quaid
| a short bit ago I updated one of the tasks as completed
| 00:25
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| Sparks
| Okay, I created the above schedule. I'd appreciate feedback.
| 00:25
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| itbegins
| If there are no objects I will head off, haven't eaten yet...
| 00:25
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| Sparks
| rudi: Let's talk about your page you made.
| 00:25
|
| * ianweller will work tomorrow on a draft announcement
| 00:25
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| ianweller
| #action ianweller to do something useful and write a draft announcement
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| ianweller
| ;)
| 00:26
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| Sparks
| ianweller: Thank you
| 00:26
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| Sparks
| rudi: So do we need to have an attribute statement?
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| rudi
| As I understand it, no we don't strictly need to.
| 00:27
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| Sparks
| Do we want an attribute statement?
| 00:27
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| rudi
| I'm in two minds about it.
| 00:27
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| quaid
| #link http://rlandmann.fedorapeople.org/license/
| 00:28
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| rudi
| It increases transparency about how to re-use the material
| 00:28
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| rudi
| But I can imagine that it would also discourage reuse
| 00:29
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| Sparks
| I don't like the idea of being extremely strict on saying how they have to do it.
| 00:29
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| quaid
| it "feels" restrictive to reusers?
| 00:30
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| Sparks
| "You must say exactly this in the type font and size and..."
| 00:31
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| quaid
| I'll note that if we are strict, it's a reason for not listing every single contributor to a doc - puts a big burden on remixers -- so then it makes more sense to credit "Fedora Docs" & "Fedora L10n"
| 00:31
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| Sparks
| I'd rather just say, you have to attribute it to us and let them figure out what works best for them.
| 00:31
|
| * quaid thinks about it and thinks his argument goes the other way too
| 00:31
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| rudi
| Sparks -- CC doesn't allow you to be *that* strict
| 00:32
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| Sparks
| rudi: So what would be the point of an attribution statement?
| 00:32
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| rudi
| Like I said, to alert people about what their obligations actually are
| 00:33
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| rudi
| Transparently
| 00:33
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| Sparks
| So spell out what the license is telling them to do
| 00:34
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| rudi
| Pretty much
| 00:34
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| Sparks
| Okay, I'm good with that.
| 00:34
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| Sparks
| Anyone else have an opinion?
| 00:34
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| rudi
| There are only two specific extra burdens that the licence allows: Specify a specific name to credit, and specify that you must link back.
| 00:35
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| rudi
| You'll notice that I suggest we invoke the second of those
| 00:35
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| quaid
| ah, that avoids the long list of names?
| 00:35
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| rudi
| No.
| 00:35
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| rudi
| That's the first
| 00:35
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| rudi
| Which we could also choose
| 00:36
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| quaid
| oic, sorry, misparsed
| 00:36
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| Sparks
| Okay
| 00:36
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| quaid
| 'specific name', gotcha
| 00:36
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| Sparks
| So +1 for only linking back.
| 00:36
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| quaid
| just for ye ole debil's advocate sake
| 00:36
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| quaid
| why not specify "Fedora Docs Team" and "Fedora L10n Team"
| 00:37
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| rudi
| Yeah; so instead of crediting the actual creators of the doc, we could specify that the re-user or remixer just credits "The Fedora Documentation Project"
| 00:37
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| quaid
| and avoid tracking a list of names?
| 00:37
|
| * ianweller has to eat, bbl
| 00:37
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| quaid
| or "The Fedora Project"
| 00:37
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| rudi
| indeed
| 00:37
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| jjmcd
| That list of names is important to some
| 00:37
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| * Sparks likes "The Fedora Project"
| 00:37
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: Yeah, which is found on the documents themselves... but that list can be pretty long.
| 00:38
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| rudi
| jjmcd -- yes, which is why I shied away from suggesting that option
| 00:38
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| quaid
| I don't think we should burden others with our long list of names, should we continue to choose to display it.
| 00:38
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| jjmcd
| Yeah it can, so we really are just talking about what it says on some repuser's doc?
| 00:38
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| jjmcd
| re-user grrrr
| 00:38
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| rudi
| jjmcd -- yes
| 00:39
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| jjmcd
| Ahh ... I like Fedora Project, but we get some good press for our docs, I wonder whether Fedora Docs Project doesn't leverage that
| 00:39
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| quaid
| jjmcd: well, we ARE docs for the FP
| 00:39
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| rudi
| jjmcd -- don't forget L10N
| 00:40
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| quaid
| exactly
| 00:40
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| quaid
| and Design
| 00:40
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| quaid
| and the Publican team for the cool look
| 00:40
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| quaid
| and etc.
| 00:40
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| quaid
| One of the problems I have with all this self-branding (My Name, My SubProject's Name) is that it distracts and fractions from the greater;
| 00:40
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| quaid
| even if one of my purposes in Fedora is to build my name
| 00:41
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| quaid
| everyone else has to rely upon the RPM loginfo
| 00:41
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| Sparks
| WE ARE FEDORA
| 00:41
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| quaid
| no one gets to call their package
| 00:41
|
| quaid
| quaid-zikula-foo.rpm
| 00:41
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| Sparks
| no?
| 00:41
|
| quaid
| how about this
| 00:41
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| Sparks
| Is that against the package naming rules?
| 00:41
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| quaid
| do rpm -qi $anypackage
| 00:42
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| quaid
| do you see the packagers name in there?
| 00:42
|
| * radsy wanders off... services guide has been sent to lists fo review..
| 00:42
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| quaid
| why would Docs get to have a big splash with our name just because we get to control the printing press?
| 00:42
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| quaid
| shouldn't we put every packager's name in there that contributed to a package that we document?
| 00:42
|
| * quaid quotes his daughter's, "It's not Fu-yair!"
| 00:43
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| quaid
| anyway, sorry, different debate
| 00:43
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| quaid
| but not a problem we should push on reusers
| 00:43
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| quaid
| so +1 to The Fedora Project from me
| 00:43
|
| * quaid steps down carefully from his soap box
| 00:43
|
| * Sparks calls for a vote
| 00:43
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| Sparks
| Require the re-user to attribute to "The Fedora Project" and link back
| 00:44
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| Sparks
| +1
| 00:44
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| rudi
| +1
| 00:44
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| jjmcd
| +1
| 00:44
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| danielsmw
| +1
| 00:44
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| quaid
| +1
| 00:44
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| Sparks
| #agreed Require the re-user to attribute to "The Fedora Project" and link back
| 00:45
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| Sparks
| Okay, anything else on the license?
| 00:45
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| Sparks
| #topic Shared open-source style guide <--ke4qqq
| 00:46
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| rudi
| Give me a few minutes and I'll have that revision in place; then, if we're happy with it, I'll run it past legal
| 00:46
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| Sparks
| Okay... quaid and rudi will be helping ke4qqq with this.
| 00:46
|
| Sparks
| Anything else?
| 00:46
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| Sparks
| rudi: Thanks
| 00:46
|
| Sparks
| #link https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-June/msg00163.html
| 00:46
|
| * Sparks moves on
| 00:47
|
| Sparks
| #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets
| 00:47
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| Sparks
| Okay, I know people were working their tickets since last Wednesday. Good job.
| 00:47
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| Sparks
| I spent about a half hour "gardening" the tickets this afternoon.
| 00:48
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| Sparks
| If you have tickets assigned to you please make sure you work these issues...
| 00:48
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| Sparks
| especially if they are from a user.
| 00:48
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| Sparks
| If the ticket takes a while to fix I'd like everyone to make note at least monthly to show you are still working the problem.
| 00:49
|
| * Sparks notes some people got knocked off there.
| 00:50
|
| Sparks
| Does anyone have any questions about the BZ tickets
| 00:50
|
| Sparks
| ?
| 00:50
|
| quaid
| anyone want mine?
| 00:51
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| Sparks
| quaid: No, I think you need yours. I don't think you have enough to do.
| 00:51
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| quaid
| good for ya!
| 00:51
|
| Sparks
| :)
| 00:51
|
| Sparks
| #topic Draft Documentation on the wiki
| 00:52
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| Sparks
| #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Draft_Documentation
| 00:52
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| jjmcd
| wheeeeee
| 00:52
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| Sparks
| And jjmcd's back!
| 00:53
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: You'll have to read the log to see what we assigned to you while you were out.
| 00:53
|
| Sparks
| Okay... Draft Documentation
| 00:53
|
| jjmcd
| did u get "504825, 228728 - should talk about tomorrow" before the netsplit?
| 00:53
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| Sparks
| no
| 00:53
|
| Sparks
| after the meeting?
| 00:54
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| jjmcd
| tomorrow's 11AM
| 00:54
|
| Sparks
| No, can we talk about them after tonight meeting?
| 00:54
|
| Sparks
| or do we need to talk about them now?
| 00:54
|
| jjmcd
| Well, one is probably a longer conversation, not sure I'm ready with all the questions, the other could drag on too
| 00:55
|
| jjmcd
| The second is are we going to ressurect the guide -- accessibility
| 00:56
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| Sparks
| I thought 504825 would be fairly straight forward
| 00:56
|
| jjmcd
| and if so, in what form/format
| 00:56
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| jjmcd
| Well, we never really did get to a complete answer
| 00:56
|
| Sparks
| jjmcd: What the heck... You are not authorized to access bug #228728.
| 00:57
|
| buggbot
| Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=228728 is not accessible.
| 00:57
|
| * Sparks dislikes buggbot.
| 00:57
|
| * ianweller is confused at 228728.
| 00:57
|
| jjmcd
| we said we would produce 3 formats, but we still never asked the question what does the rpm look like, how will it be presented installed, do we drop gnome or include kde, etc etc
| 00:57
|
| jjmcd
| let me see if i fat-fingered it
| 00:58
|
| jjmcd
| 228729 sri
| 00:59
|
| * Sparks is now curious what 228728 is.
| 00:59
|
| Sparks
| jjmcd: Dang... okay, I remember now
| 01:00
|
| jjmcd
| prolly some super secret rhel thingie
| 01:00
|
| Sparks
| prolly
| 01:00
|
| Sparks
| jjmcd: Okay, so you want to wait until tomorrow's meeting for this?
| 01:00
|
| jjmcd
| Yeah, I think it is a little related to the other, so lets talk about what shows on the iso, and ignore the docs.fp.o
| 01:01
|
| jjmcd
| which we have covered sort of
| 01:01
|
| rudi
| http://rlandmann.fedorapeople.org/license/ is updated
| 01:01
|
| jjmcd
| does it work in internet exploder?
| 01:01
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| jjmcd
| I have no argument with that language
| 01:02
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| Sparks
| Don't know... I don't have IE anywhere.
| 01:02
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| rudi
| Probably not; but that's got nothing to do with the license
| 01:02
|
| jjmcd
| yeah, I know. Just pokin'
| 01:03
|
| rudi
| :)
| 01:03
|
| Sparks
| Okay
| 01:04
|
| Sparks
| Draft Documentation
| 01:04
|
| Sparks
| it's there...
| 01:04
|
| Sparks
| Please look at it every so often and see if you can help something along.
| 01:04
|
| Sparks
| #topic Guide needs?
| 01:05
|
| Sparks
| Does anyone need anything for their Guide?
| 01:05
|
| Sparks
| #topic New Guides
| 01:05
|
| Sparks
| Anyone have any new guide ideas?
| 01:05
|
| jjmcd
| yeah, but not until after F12
| 01:06
|
| Sparks
| jjmcd: What you got?
| 01:06
|
| jjmcd
| A guide to Fedora for radio amateurs
| 01:06
|
| Sparks
| jjmcd: Count me in
| 01:06
|
| jjmcd
| ;-)
| 01:06
|
| Sparks
| Anyone else?
| 01:06
|
| Sparks
| #topic All other business
| 01:07
|
| Sparks
| Does anyone have anything else?
| 01:07
|
| * Sparks notes stickster arriving right at the end of the meeting
| 01:07
|
| jjmcd
| well, these manager types
| 01:07
|
| Sparks
| ya.. tell me about it
| 01:08
|
| jjmcd
| you know how THEY are
| 01:08
|
| Sparks
| ANYONE? ANYTHING?
| 01:08
|
| jjmcd
| is there any useful docs for zikula?
| 01:08
|
| Sparks
| I don't know
| 01:08
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| jjmcd
| Maybe I'll just rely on infra and not stress over it
| 01:09
|
| Sparks
| #action jjmcd to do recon on Zikula for useful docs
| 01:09
|
| jjmcd
| zikula.org has lots, but nothing useful
| 01:10
|
| Sparks
| Anything else?
| 01:10
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| Sparks
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| Sparks
| 4
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| Sparks
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| Sparks
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| Sparks
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| 01:11
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| Sparks
| Thanks everyone for coming!
| 01:11
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| Sparks
| #endmeeting
| 01:11
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