| Sparks
| #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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| zodbot
| Meeting started Thu Oct 8 00:01:03 2009 UTC. The chair is Sparks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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| zodbot
| Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
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| Sparks
| #topic Roll Call
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| * Sparks
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| * jjmcd is here
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| * bcotton is here (who is this guy anyway)
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| jjmcd
| And according to my watch, you were within a couple seconds, probably IRC lag
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| * danielsmw is here
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| * Sparks wants to shoot the guy who schedules a meeting in the middle of an amateur radio contest!
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| jjmcd
| There's always a contest
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| ianweller
| i wonder who that was
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| Sparks
| :)
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| Sparks
| 70cm is dead anyway
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| Sparks
| Okay, let's get started...
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| Sparks
| #topic Old Business
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| Sparks
| danielsmw: What the status on the editor for Zikula?
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| danielsmw
| Sparks: i've been working on it for the past hour
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| Sparks
| :)
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| danielsmw
| Sparks: rpmlint comes out clean now
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| Sparks
| danielsmw: Very cool!
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| danielsmw
| so I think i may go ahead and put it on bugzilla
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| danielsmw
| Yup.
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| Sparks
| Excellent.
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| Sparks
| Let us know if you need any support.
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| Sparks
| Thanks for packaging it!
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| danielsmw
| Sparks: Will do. I probably will later this evening
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| danielsmw
| No problem1
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| Sparks
| rudi: I see you changed the license info on the Fedora brand package for Publican
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| rudi
| Yep -- all done
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| Sparks
| rudi: Excellent
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| jjmcd
| rudi, does that also include the additional localization?
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| rudi
| jjmcd -- kinda
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| Sparks
| ianweller: Did you figure out how to change the license on the wiki?
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| rudi
| It includes the feedback file
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| ianweller
| Sparks: it's in localsettings.php
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| ianweller
| which is in puppet
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| Sparks
| ianweller: So you are good to go?
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| rudi
| But "Document Conventions" is part of the publican package
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| rudi
| not the Fedora brand package.
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| ianweller
| Sparks: sure i'll work on a patch sometime tonight and test it somewhere
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| jjmcd
| That seems odd
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| rudi
| (I also missed 4 languages in the package I released the other day, there's a corrected package in Bodhi now that should appear soon to fix that)
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| jjmcd
| All the langs except Chinese are now building
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| rudi
| Well, since "Document Conventions" documents how Publican renders various XML tags, this doesn't tend to change from brand to brand.
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| rudi
| If someone came up with a very heavily customized brand that *did* change how those tags were rendered, they could also create a new "Document Conventions" text to ship with that package
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| rudi
| Which would override the one in Common_Content/common
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| rudi
| Anyway, I'll see if I can package the extra "Document Conventions" translations into a new release of Publican 0.44 for us
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| jjmcd
| good deal
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| Sparks
| Okay...
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| Sparks
| #topic Status on CMS (Zikula)
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| Sparks
| #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status
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| Sparks
| Can anyone provide an update?
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| Sparks
| Well, I know danielsmw will be submitting the editor for Zikula for review tonight.
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| danielsmw
| Yup.
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| Sparks
| Anyone else have an update?
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| Sparks
| Okay, moving on
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| Sparks
| #topic Status on CC license rollout.
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| Sparks
| * #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule
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| Sparks
| #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule
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| jjmcd
| kudos to ianweller for his announcement and notoriety
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| Sparks
| I think ianweller sent out the announcement on Monday.
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| Sparks
| ianweller: Have you received any feedback?
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| ianweller
| no
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| jjmcd
| Sparks, showed up in LWN
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| Sparks
| Cool
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| ianweller
| i am looking into the wiki crap at the moment if anybody's wondering
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| jjmcd
| Just reach into your bucket of magic pixie dust
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| Sparks
| I think quaid was working on contacting previous contributors
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| Sparks
| ianweller: do you have a link for that LWN article?
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| * ianweller looksies
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| Sparks
| I think the big thing is going to be #7... Make changes to the guides. Rebuild all current versions and push them to docs.fp.o and repos. (All)
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| ianweller
| http://lwn.net/Articles/355546/
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| ianweller
| they just copy/pasted my emai
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| ianweller
| email*
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| Sparks
| That means that all guides will need to be updated ASAP.
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| Sparks
| ianweller++
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| Sparks
| This will be coming up in the near future.
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| rudi
| I feel a world of CVS hurt a-comin :)
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| Sparks
| #action Sparks to send to the list an action request to all guide leaders for update status of the license
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| Sparks
| rudi: Yeah
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| * danielsmw is afk for a bit
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| Sparks
| Okay, anything else on this topic?
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| rudi
| Are we just republishing F11 docs?
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| rudi
| Or further back too?
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| Sparks
| rudi: I think just F11.
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| rudi
| +1 !!!!!!
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| Sparks
| F10 will be EOL soon anyway.
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| Sparks
| rudi: Unless you want to go back to the FC days. :)
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| rudi
| Uh....
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| rudi
| NO
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| rudi
| :)
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| Sparks
| IMO if people are going to want to use some of our information they would probably want to get it from the latest source and not an old guide.
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| * Sparks thinks ianweller got off easy during this ordeal
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| Sparks
| Okay, moving on.
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| Sparks
| #topic Shared open-source style guide
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| Sparks
| #link https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-June/msg00163.html
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| Sparks
| Does anyone have an update on this?
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| Sparks
| Going...
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| Sparks
| going...
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| Sparks
| gone.
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| rudi
| Still blocked by the NotEnoughHoursInTheDay bug
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| Sparks
| rudi: Understood.
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| rudi
| Expect some traction after I finish on the Publican 1.0 User Guide :)
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| Sparks
| rudi: You might want to shoot ke4qqq an email on this as I think he wanted to work on it but probably has the same bug.
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| rudi
| (RSN)
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| Sparks
| #topic Guide needs?
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| * ianweller hsa to run
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| Sparks
| Okay, anyone have any guides that are in need?
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| rudi
| Sure -- my blocker is getting the content together that legal has agreed to release to the wider community
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| Sparks
| ianweller: Cya
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| jjmcd
| I sent a wuery to qrplinux-L looking for help
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| jjmcd
| no joy
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| jjmcd
| I think I will ping QRP-L, a much bigger list
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| bcotton
| the RPM guide might need a new owner, i am ashamed to admit that I havent done squat with it all summer :-/
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: On the Amateur Radio guide?
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| jjmcd
| affirm
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| jjmcd
| bcotton: same bug as rudi?
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: Okay. I need to take a stab at some of it.
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| bcotton
| jjmcd: a combo of that and NotEnoughExperience
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| Sparks
| rudi: Which guide is this that you are having legal issues on?
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| jjmcd
| Sparks, it would be nice to have something fairly complete for F12
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: Might be too late in the game
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| jjmcd
| could be
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| rudi
| No guide -- I got left behind -- I was still talking about the Open Source Style Guide
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| Sparks
| rudi: Ahhh
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| rudi
| (and Red Hat's internal Style guidelines)
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| Sparks
| rudi: understood
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| Sparks
| bcotton: What do you need? More help or more time or both?
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| jjmcd
| bcotton, you might be able to get some help from Florian. He asked us to do it, probably could provide content guidance
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| bcotton
| Sparks: a bit of both. i'm taking a new job later this month, which should give me a bit more time once i get settled. i'll also get more experience with git and rpm building, and so forth
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| Sparks
| bcotton: Put the word out on the f-docs-l and see if there are any takers.
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| bcotton
| sparks: to help or to take? i'd be okay with either. i know the guide is rather dated, but i dont want to let it languish any more than it needs to
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| Sparks
| bcotton: Whichever you feel most comfortable. You'd probably find helpers first, though.
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| bcotton
| (i'll also try to hang out in the IRC channel more, i've been fairly absent for a while)
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| bcotton
| sparks: can do!
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| Sparks
| Okay
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| Sparks
| jjmcd and rudi: How goes the RNs?
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| jjmcd
| Well,
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| jjmcd
| I need one small edit before I make the beta rpm
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| jjmcd
| Next move I guess is to update docs.fp.o
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| rudi
| jjmcd -- I've been doing that as langs hit 100%
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| jjmcd
| We have been building every night anf the L10N gang has been working hard
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| Sparks
| excellent
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| rudi
| A couple of thoughts:
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| rudi
| 1) this time, I think we should only move langs to d.fp.o if there's been L10N work in the current cycle
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| rudi
| 2) langs should remain "Drafts" until they hit 100%
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| rudi
| I think we're getting to the point where we should present readers with something a bit more polished
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| rudi
| Some of you may have seen the French L10N team take a firm stand on this recently ;)
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| jjmcd
| Last time there were a lot of langs at 80-90%, shouldn't we pull the trigger on those? Or should we encourage the translators to move that last few percent.
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| Sparks
| I didn't
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| Sparks
| rudi: Can you elaborate?
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| rudi
| (They nuked the entire F12 RN fr.po file because they didn't want to see mishmashed docs published)
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| rudi
| (and don't have plans to translate the F12 RN)
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| rudi
| jjmcd -- I think we need to provide the encouragement to squeeze out that last 10%-20%
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| Sparks
| rudi: So let me get this straight... There were French translations and they removed them all?
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| rudi
| Sparks -- yes
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| rudi
| French translations carried over from previous cycles
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| Sparks
| rudi: That's not going to sit well with me at all.
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| rudi
| For headings and stuff
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| Sparks
| rudi: Why did they do that?
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| Sparks
| What was the reasoning?
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| rudi
| Sparks -- because they saw us (docs) publishing half-complete work in the past and didn't want it to happen again
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| jjmcd
| Sounds so terribly French of them
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| ryanlerch
| rudi: what was the % translated when they nuked it?
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| Sparks
| so they aren't going to do them at all?
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| rudi
| Sparks -- they have no plans to for F12
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| Sparks
| I'm not good with that
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| rudi
| ryanlerch -- only about 10%–20%
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| rudi
| Reused strings.
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| Sparks
| Okay... anything else?
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| rudi
| It does mean, however, that if they decide that they want to do RN in French for (say) F13, they'll need to rebase the PO to F10
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| rudi
| (or start from scratch, as they choose)
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| Sparks
| That's just nuts
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| rudi
| True, but they probably didn't realise that they could just ask us not to publish the doc ;)
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| Sparks
| I'll keep my thoughts to myself at the moment.
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| rudi
| And, I sympathise with their desire not to publish half-finished work to the world
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| Sparks
| Okay, moving on.
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| Sparks
| Anything else in the guide department?
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| Sparks
| #topic New guides?
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| Sparks
| Any new guides to be discussed?
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| jjmcd
| You don't have enough?
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| Sparks
| I don't have enough time to work on the guides I want to work on!
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| Sparks
| :)
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| Sparks
| #topic Other business
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| rudi
| Just noting that the Virt Guide is up
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| Sparks
| Anyone have anything else they want to talk about?
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| Sparks
| rudi: +1
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| rudi
| On the F12 drafts page
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| jjmcd
| Sparks
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| rudi
| Check it out! :)
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| jjmcd
| You are aware that the beta meeting moved a week
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: Yes... Was going to mention that to you... :)
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| jjmcd
| :-) Poelstra sent me a note, I wasn't sure it also went to you
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: I saw it on the logistics list. Are you on that?
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| jjmcd
| Not sure, don't think so
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| jjmcd
| I already have too many lists
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| Sparks
| Okay, that list was created as a joint list kinda thing... mutual aid?
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| Sparks
| Okay, anything else?
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| jjmcd
| Yep, the note from JP was posted to logistics so I guess I am on it
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| Sparks
| I actually have something.
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| Sparks
| The first meeting after the F12 release I'll accept nominations for "leader" of the Docs Project.
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| Sparks
| We'll give that a week and then we'll have a poll setup to vote.
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| Sparks
| So be thinking of someone you'd like to see running this thing.
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| Sparks
| I think it is a good idea to do this every release or two...
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| jjmcd
| I don't know if you can get out of it that easy
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| Sparks
| just to keep the ideas new and the momentum moving.
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: One can try.
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| Sparks
| jjmcd: All I have to do is nominate you. :)
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| * ryanlerch nominates zodbot, he is always in meetings...
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| rudi
| lolz@ryanlerch
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| Sparks
| ryanlerch: That's true. And he does take really good notes.
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| * bcotton seconds ryanlerch's nomination
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| jjmcd
| I'll decline, but maybe I should nominate EvilBob, he is always at these meetngs, too
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| bcotton
| but here's a question: why can't zodbot be a she?
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| EvilBob
| that is what I get for having a good bouncer
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| Sparks
| bcotton: zodbot sounds too masculine
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| jjmcd
| what about Sonar_Gal?
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| jjmcd
| Always coming and going
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| Sparks
| :)
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| Sparks
| Okay, anything else?
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| danielsmw
| ls
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| * danielsmw apologizes
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| Sparks
| rm -Ir danielsmw
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| jjmcd
| better than firefox http://myfavepornsite &
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| Sparks
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| Sparks
| Thanks everyone for coming!
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| Sparks
| #endmeeting
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