Meeting:Docs IRC log 20091015

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Sparks #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings 00:01
zodbot Meeting started Thu Oct 15 00:01:25 2009 UTC. The chair is Sparks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 00:01
zodbot Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 00:01
Sparks #topic Roll Call 00:01
* Sparks 00:01
* ke4qqq 00:01
* joat . 00:01
* jjmcd . 00:01
* joat thinks Spark's calendar is just as busted as his 00:02
Sparks Good group so far 00:03
Sparks joat: My calendar is all messed up now that I'm doing an ST&E 00:03
* ke4qqq is in and out 00:03
joat Sparks: I'm still sans-calendar 00:04
joat waiting for account 00:04
* radsy shuffles in 00:04
* rudi is here 00:04
Sparks Okay, let's get started 00:05
Sparks #topic Beta Release Announcement 00:05
Sparks jjmcd: Go ahead, I think you added this 00:05
jjmcd Well, its no surprise, is it. We need to get working on the release announcement 00:05
jjmcd Isn't the updated GA like a week away? Not sure the exact date 00:06
jjmcd 20th? 00:06
Sparks jjmcd: I honestly haven't had a chance to look at my calendar in days 00:06
jjmcd hehe - yeah, I know what you mean 00:07
rudi November 17, I thought? 00:07
jjmcd SRI - i meant beta 00:07
jjmcd Beta is almost upon us and we need to do the announcement. Not a really big deal, tho, not like GA 00:08
Sparks Can we just take Alpha and just change it to Beta? 00:08
jjmcd Pretty much 00:08
Sparks volunteers? 00:09
jjmcd I can do some with someone to bounce thoughts off 00:09
jjmcd preferably someone who doesn't live upside-down 00:09
* Sparks is living upside-down in Virginia! 00:10
jjmcd All these upside down guys sleep when I'm awake! 00:10
jjmcd I haven't seen Zach in a while, I'd twist his arm 00:11
Sparks jjmcd: Okay, maybe put something out on the list? 00:11
jjmcd Yeah, maybe poke a few folks 00:12
Sparks Okay... anything else on this topic? 00:12
Sparks #topic f-r-n.rpm 00:13
Sparks jjmcd: Okay, what's up with this? 00:13
jjmcd OK, mostly by way of a heads-up 00:13
jjmcd Our schedule had us doing the beta rpm last tuesday 00:13
Sparks and did "we"? 00:14
jjmcd With the schedule slip, I translated that to yesterday to get the max transations 00:14
jjmcd Turns out, it needed to be done about 4 weeks ago to make it into beta 00:14
Sparks  ?!? 00:14
jjmcd Yeah, that's about what I said 00:14
Sparks How did that all work? That doesn't make sense. 00:15
jjmcd So, no f-r-n.rpm in beta 00:15
jjmcd Not sure. A lot changed between the time the schedule came out and when we talked with john and l10n to set it up 00:15
ke4qqq have we followed up with poelcat to make sure our schedule reflects proper date 00:16
jjmcd but also, we weren't paying close attention to the freezes 00:16
ke4qqq for next release 00:16
jjmcd Yes, that was an action item from the meeting, plus, I've been talking with Jesse to better understand the whole process 00:16
jjmcd Which I've mostly been ignoring, sor of do whaterver the sked says 00:16
jjmcd Bottom line, tho, I think is that we really need to own this. Having Jesse and Paul as owners makes us too disconnected 00:17
jjmcd Thats what I have. Other questions? 00:18
ke4qqq what do you mean by "having us own this" 00:19
jjmcd Release notes are owned by paul and jesse, so we can't, for example, submit a koji 00:19
Sparks jjmcd: I think you should be an owner 00:19
Sparks jjmcd: In addition to others as well 00:20
ke4qqq ahhh cvs perms 00:20
jjmcd But first I need to better understand the whole process 00:20
jjmcd I can make a RPM just fine, but I have little concept of what happens after that 00:20
jjmcd In the past I've just handed it to Jesse and magic happens 00:20
Sparks jjmcd: It isn't that difficult to get it through. Heck, I've even done it. 00:21
jjmcd I'm sure it isn't 00:21
jjmcd Just need the map 00:21
Sparks heck, if you can do git, svn, and cvn, then you are golden! 00:21
Sparks jjmcd: I think it's on the wiki... I'll see if I can find it for you 00:21
jjmcd Seems like I found it, and I felt like it had some holes but that was a while ago 00:22
Sparks Okay... 00:22
Sparks anything else on this topic? 00:23
Sparks #topic Status on CMS (Zikula) 00:24
Sparks #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status 00:24
Sparks Any update on this? 00:24
Sparks Anyone? 00:25
Sparks Okay then... 00:26
Sparks #topic Status on CC license rollout. 00:26
Sparks #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule 00:27
Sparks I can't remember if I sent out the message to the list or not, now... 00:27
rudi Will start rebuilding F11 and F12 guides RSN 00:27
Sparks But for those that are onboard, can you modify your license pages using the new publican-fedora brand and redo your uploads to docs.fp.o? 00:27
Sparks I'd like to have everything changed over by next Wednesday. 00:28
jjmcd hehe - I didn't notice, but the RN's for L10N all say CC-BY-SA 00:29
Sparks Cool! 00:29
Sparks  :) 00:29
jjmcd Except for Chinese which hasn't run in a while 00:29
rudi Sparks -- will do :) 00:30
Sparks Ya 00:30
Sparks rudi: Cool 00:30
Sparks Okay, anything else on this? 00:30
jjmcd Is the Pravne odrdbe supposed to be always english? 00:31
Sparks is the who? 00:31
jjmcd Legal Notice 00:31
jjmcd It is in English for all langs, although it's title isn't 00:32
Sparks Yes 00:32
Sparks We aren't supposed to translate the legal notice as it might loose something in translation 00:32
jjmcd Makes sense 00:33
rudi jjmcd -- the title should be localised, the text should not 00:33
jjmcd ANd that is the case 00:33
rudi If you see a language where the title isn't localised, it's because the string "legal notice" is missing from the docbooks-locale file currently in Fedora 00:34
jjmcd I see assamese isn't 00:34
rudi There is currently no stylesheet for Assamese at all, even upstream 00:34
rudi I'm working on that with the DocBook community 00:35
Sparks Okay, anything else on this topic? 00:36
Sparks #topic Shared open-source style guide 00:36
Sparks #link https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-June/msg00163.html 00:36
Sparks Does anyone have any updates on this? 00:37
* Sparks hears crickets chirping 00:38
Sparks Okay, moving on. 00:38
Sparks #topic Guide needs? 00:39
Sparks Any guides have any needs? 00:39
Sparks #topic New Guides 00:40
Sparks Any new guides on the horizon? 00:40
Sparks #topic Other business 00:41
Sparks Anyone have anything else? 00:41
Sparks Anything at all? 00:42
rudi me 00:42
rudi Just an update that Publican 1.0 is very near now -- should be finished within days 00:43
rudi But it won't be in Fedora any time soon 00:43
jjmcd whew 00:43
Sparks rudi: No? 00:43
rudi Because we've been waiting weeks for dependencies get approved 00:43
rudi At this rate, it actually looks like Publican 1.0 will be in *Debian* before it gets into Fedora... 00:44
Sparks Ugh 00:44
rudi (I'm not exaggerating...) 00:44
Sparks Okay... Well, I don't know. 00:46
Sparks Anyone have anything else? 00:47
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Sparks Thanks everyone for coming! 00:49
Sparks #endmeeting 00:49