Meeting:Zh/Meetings/2007-09-14

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策划

议题需要包括

  • 文档的撰写,翻译,打包和审核,帮助新的 fedora 贡献者申请帐号
  • 介绍 蓝迪游戏


成果

文档

打包

沟通

翻译

  • 建立 页面

美工

网站

过程

第一项内容:FelixZ 提到关于翻译的一些事

介绍了 http://translate.fedoraproject.org (t.f.o),然后建立了 Glossary 页面,用于保存翻译常用词汇。

日志

[2007-09-14 19:54:00]  <hers> 多亏了 google canlendar 一次发了四条短信过来,把人吵醒了。。。
[2007-09-14 19:54:27]  * hers 今天俺旁听
[2007-09-14 19:55:49]  =-= Mode #fedora-cn +o hers  by ChanServ
[2007-09-14 19:56:00]  === y is unknown mode char to me
[2007-09-14 19:56:00]  =-= Mode #fedora-cn +oric hellwolf  by hers
[2007-09-14 19:56:11]  =-= Mode #fedora-cn +o ricky  by hers
[2007-09-14 19:56:30]  =-= Mode #fedora-cn +v skynovo  by hers
[2007-09-14 19:56:34]  =-= Mode #fedora-cn +v FelixZ  by hers
[2007-09-14 19:57:44]  <FelixZ> hers: Evening, hers.
[2007-09-14 19:58:12]  =-= Mode #fedora-cn +v candyz0416  by hers
[2007-09-14 19:58:33]  <hers> FelixZ~ 找到啥想做的没。。
[2007-09-14 19:58:46]  * hers 多么地一本正经啊
[2007-09-14 19:59:01]  =-= Mode #fedora-cn +v gregdek_gone  by hers
[2007-09-14 19:59:11]  * FelixZ 不由地肃然起敬了
[2007-09-14 19:59:18]  * Shely 家 hers 本来就很正经~
[2007-09-14 20:00:42]  <FelixZ> hers: 我还是做点简单的翻译吧,呵呵,现在有没有to do list?
[2007-09-14 20:01:02]  <hers> 有的。 http://translate.fedoraproject.org 的模块列表。
[2007-09-14 20:01:26]  <hers> http://translate.fedoraproject.org/module/
[2007-09-14 20:02:53]  <FelixZ> hers: Great:) 我先找技术背景简单些的看看
[2007-09-14 20:05:36]  <hers> 我一直都想看 olpc 的翻译,可是完全玩不转。。。
[2007-09-14 20:05:58]  <hellwolf> 今天星期五!
[2007-09-14 20:06:01]  * hers 不够单纯和有想象力/耐心。。。 qemu 真 TMD 慢
[2007-09-14 20:06:03]  <FelixZ> hers: 任务有没有优先级?
[2007-09-14 20:06:29]  <hers> FelixZ~ 有的,应用程序翻译是必须在 25 号之前尽可能多做,不然就进不了 f8 了
[2007-09-14 20:07:04]  <hers> 可是我没觉得这 freeze 有啥意思 - -!
[2007-09-14 20:07:34]  <hers> 应用程序翻译一般都是 redhat 内部的团队做的啊。
[2007-09-14 20:08:28]  <FelixZ> hers: Thanks, I see. Is there any standardized glossary I can refer to?
[2007-09-14 20:09:30]  <hers> 没有,记得 kbabel 还是什么的可以导入所有的 po 文件,做一个小数据库,然后自动翻译新的 po 文件?
[2007-09-14 20:10:31]  * FelixZ scratches his head and takes notes
[2007-09-14 20:10:49]  <hers> FelixZ~ 如果搞个 glossary 怎么样呢
[2007-09-14 20:11:18]  <FelixZ> 呃……我不知道哎
[2007-09-14 20:11:31]  <FelixZ> 应该会减少些混乱吧
[2007-09-14 20:11:39]  <hers> 在 wiki 里加一页?
[2007-09-14 20:12:09]  <FelixZ> hers: Sounds like a good idea :)
[2007-09-14 20:12:23]  <hers> FelixZ~ 顺带提一句, http://translate.fedoraproject.org 的缩写是 t.p.o,有个测试网站在 http://publictest5.fedora.redhat.com/
[2007-09-14 20:12:36]  <hers> 有新功能时会先加到那里
[2007-09-14 20:13:22]  <FelixZ> hers: Thanks for the information:)
[2007-09-14 20:14:16]  <FelixZ> hers: I don't quite understand...new func for fedora or new func for the site?
[2007-09-14 20:16:27]  <hers> 掉线了
[2007-09-14 20:17:32]  *NickServ* You have already identified
[2007-09-14 20:19:13]  <hers> FelixZ~ new function for the site. currently it refers to Transifex which you can find in the navigation area
[2007-09-14 20:21:03]  <hers> 这一篇有意思: http://l10n.fsftw.org/reusability.html
[2007-09-14 20:21:27]  <hers> 还有这一篇 http://www.redhat.com.cn/news/article/419.html
[2007-09-14 20:23:56]  <hers> FelixZ~ 那,有个差不多相关的页面, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/zh_CN/FedoraDict
[2007-09-14 20:25:37]  <FelixZ> hers: Maybe it's better we have some hierarchies in this dict, I suppose.
[2007-09-14 20:26:01]  <hers> no, FedoraDict must has a plain structure
[2007-09-14 20:26:21]  <hers> I'm setting up a new page at $zh_CN/L10N/Glossary
[2007-09-14 20:26:22]  <FelixZ> hers: But the list could grow to a overwhelming size if we keep doing this..
[2007-09-14 20:27:06]  <hers> FelixZ~ FedoraDict is used for reference using Wiki functions, thus it cannot have other structures I think..
[2007-09-14 20:27:22]  <hers> and use a seperated page for translations is better
[2007-09-14 20:28:17]  <FelixZ> hers: So the content are limited only to those related to wiki usage? Gotcha
[2007-09-14 20:29:17]  <hellwolf> 哈?
[2007-09-14 20:29:17]  <hellwolf> english day?
[2007-09-14 20:29:18]  <FelixZ> hers: *content is*
[2007-09-14 20:29:48]  <hers> AFAIK no one will use FedoraDict page.. the syntax of calling is hard to remember
[2007-09-14 20:31:49]  <FelixZ> hers: Er..may I ask what is it?
[2007-09-14 20:38:15]  <hers> {{Template:FedoraDict/OpenSource}}
 
  [2007-09-14 20:38:47]  <hers> 意思就是此处引用 FedoraDict 中对 OpenSource 的定义
[2007-09-14 20:39:56]  <FelixZ> hers: Ah..interesting
[2007-09-14 20:44:43]  <FelixZ> here: If only you do not need to apply this to each word...
[2007-09-14 20:48:04]  <hers> 所以才说不好用
[2007-09-14 20:50:50]  <hers> 嗯,加了一个新的 $zh_CN/L10N/Glossary 页面  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/zh_CN/L10N/Glossary
[2007-09-14 20:51:15]  <hers> 这玩意要是可以自动生成就好了啊 - -!
[2007-09-14 20:51:50]  <FelixZ> hers: Much cooler now :)
[2007-09-14 20:52:19]  * hers 正在装 kbabel
[2007-09-14 20:53:03]  <FelixZ> hers: Fedora的wiki有类似talk之类的页面么?
[2007-09-14 20:55:36]  <hers> talk? 你是说讨论么?
[2007-09-14 20:56:08]  * hers 没用过 mediawiki 的讨论页
[2007-09-14 20:56:12]  <FelixZ> 对啊
[2007-09-14 20:56:33]  <hers> 据说前阵子邮件列表有吵架,是不是加讨论页
[2007-09-14 20:56:53]  <FelixZ> hers: 嗯?
[2007-09-14 20:57:08]  <hers> 俺没在意。。
[2007-09-14 20:57:15]  <FelixZ> hers: ...
[2007-09-14 20:57:35]  * FelixZ 个人认为讨论也没什么坏处嘛
[2007-09-14 21:00:10]  * hers searching gmane
[2007-09-14 21:00:24]  [INFO]  You are now marked as away (吃饭去了). Click the nickname button or use the |/back| command to return from being away.
[2007-09-14 21:00:28]  <FelixZ> hers: 如果加一个页面说明L10N的与Docs/Drafts以及FAQ的glossary的区别就好了
[2007-09-14 21:01:58]  <hers> - -! 仅供参考
[2007-09-14 21:02:16]  <hers> 根本不是一回事,写啥区别呢
[2007-09-14 21:02:58]  * hers 吃饭去也,大家慢慢聊
[2007-09-14 21:03:44]  <FelixZ> hers: 不写的话像我等菜人根本不知道是都是何物啊
[2007-09-14 21:04:39]  <FelixZ> hers: Oops,差别果然很大,当我没说好了
[2007-09-14 21:14:03]  |<-- r0bertz|work has left freenode (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
[2007-09-14 21:18:28]  |<-- zmcbb30 has left freenode (No route to host)
[2007-09-14 21:23:03]  <--| eugene has left #fedora-cn
[2007-09-14 21:47:31]  <kingbo> fedora未被是没有国内镜像???
[2007-09-14 21:47:48]  <kingbo> fedora还是没有国内镜像?????
[2007-09-14 21:49:20]  <hellwolf> 没有公开的完整的优秀的可用的
[2007-09-14 21:49:56]  <kingbo> 唉,中国人就是不开放!!!
[2007-09-14 21:50:11]  <hellwolf> ubuntu 有
[2007-09-14 21:50:16]  <hellwolf> debian 有
[2007-09-14 21:55:13]  <kingbo> 感觉这两款不好用
[2007-09-14 21:56:15]  <hellwolf> 随便你的,事实是国内用 Fedora 网络方面不方便
[2007-09-14 21:56:29]  <hellwolf> 电信的线路还凑合
[2007-09-14 22:01:33]  =-= gregdek_gone is now known as gregdek
[2007-09-14 22:03:15]  <--| FelixZ has left #fedora-cn
[2007-09-14 22:41:33]  <hellwolf> hers,
[2007-09-14 22:41:40]  <hellwolf> LoneStar 我进不去 fedora-cn
[2007-09-14 22:41:42]  <hellwolf> hellwolf 哈?
[2007-09-14 22:41:42]  <hellwolf> LoneStar invite-only?
[2007-09-14 22:41:42]  <hellwolf> hellwolf 谁设置的
[2007-09-14 22:41:42]  <hellwolf> hellwolf 不可能吧
[2007-09-14 22:42:12]  =-= Mode #fedora-cn -i  by hellwolf
[2007-09-14 22:43:53]  -->| LoneStar (n=xinzhen@218.81.37.194) has joined #fedora-cn
[2007-09-14 22:44:00]  <LoneStar> 今天是不是人太多?
[2007-09-14 22:44:55]  <hellwolf> 今天似乎没人主持
[2007-09-14 22:48:22]  -->| DBLobster (n=DBLobste@121.29.132.23) has joined #fedora-cn
[2007-09-14 22:52:49]  <LoneStar> 请大家静默,为 hers 祈祷
[2007-09-14 22:56:48]  <hers> mode +r 是什么?谁设的?
[2007-09-14 22:57:44]  [INFO]  You are no longer marked as away.
[2007-09-14 22:59:10]  <hellwolf> 谁捣乱的
[2007-09-14 22:59:18]  <hellwolf> +i 了人都进不来的
[2007-09-14 22:59:41]  =-= Mode #fedora-cn -r  by hers
[2007-09-14 22:59:42]  -->| hongdan (n=chatzill@58.30.5.16) has joined #fedora-cn
[2007-09-14 22:59:47]  <hers> 莫名其妙
[2007-09-14 22:59:58]  >ChanServ< access #fedora-cn list
[2007-09-14 23:00:07]  *ChanServ* Num Level Hostmask                            Time since last use
[2007-09-14 23:00:07]  *ChanServ* --- ----- --------                            -------------------
[2007-09-14 23:00:07]  *ChanServ* 1   10    rEdcArp_yu                          1d 6h 30m 22s
[2007-09-14 23:00:07]  *ChanServ* 2   20    ricky                               3h 3m 49s
[2007-09-14 23:00:07]  *ChanServ* 3   10    LoneStar                            16m 5s
[2007-09-14 23:00:07]  *ChanServ* 4   30    bbbush                              0s
[2007-09-14 23:00:07]  *ChanServ* 5   20    keimoto                             1w 6d 13h 18m 48s
[2007-09-14 23:00:08]  *ChanServ* 6   10    Huahua                              5w 2h 40m 22s
[2007-09-14 23:00:08]  *ChanServ* 7   20    hellwolf                            17m 47s
[2007-09-14 23:00:08]  *ChanServ* -- End of list --
[2007-09-14 23:00:08]  <hongdan> 聚会阿
[2007-09-14 23:00:33]  <hers> 现在有权限改聊天室 mode 的是哪些人?
[2007-09-14 23:00:54]  <hellwolf> 不知道,有没有日志好查
[2007-09-14 23:01:01]  <hellwolf> 反正就这几个人有op
[2007-09-14 23:01:20]  <hers> 设置 mode +r 就是说没有 op 时临时选派
[2007-09-14 23:01:43]  <hers> ChanServ 不在的话谁知道是谁搞鬼了
[2007-09-14 23:02:41]  <hers> 晕,是我自己  - -!
[2007-09-14 23:02:53]  <hers> hellwolf~ 我刚才输入的是 /mode +o hellwolf ricky
[2007-09-14 23:03:06]  <hellwolf> 奥
[2007-09-14 23:03:07]  <hellwolf> 。。。。。。。。。。。。
[2007-09-14 23:03:11]  <hers> 结果它解释成了 /mode +o hellwolf, /mode +ricky
[2007-09-14 23:03:19]  <hers> 我靠 - -!
[2007-09-14 23:03:23]  <hellwolf> 哈哈啊哈
[2007-09-14 23:03:59]  * hers 太过分了,怎么把所有人都拦在了外边
[2007-09-14 23:04:22]  * hers 还说旁听呢,差点就睡去了
[2007-09-14 23:04:27]  =-= Mode #fedora-cn +o LoneStar  by hers
[2007-09-14 23:00:45]  <hellwolf> 常州话是常州土生土长居民进行日常生活与生产实践交流的工具,是吴域居民重要的文化符号,是汉民族语言的重要组成部分。常州话记载着吴地3000多年的辉煌历史,连接着吴地生活的漫长遂道,闪耀着吴地先民智慧的光芒。常州话值得我们对之敬重,也值得我们去研究,更值得我们去衍生发展、发扬光大。
[2007-09-14 23:04:48]  <hellwolf> 众所周知,常州话是一种口头语言,它没有也不可能有自成体系的文字书写形式,从而它不是独立于汉语之外的第二种语言。因此它也和粤语等方言一样,虽然有区别于其他方言的语音,但没有狐立于汉语之外的语意文字。它所表达的语意在标准汉语的文字中全有对应关系。反过来说,每一句常州话都可以用标准汉字来对应标注。
[2007-09-14 23:05:12]  <hellwolf> LoneStar, 你听则动藏贼乎老瓦
[2007-09-14 23:06:39]  <hongdan> ?
[2007-09-14 23:06:57]  <hellwolf> 比如常州人回答旁人对生活、工作状态或者某件事件具体事态的询问时,会含糊其辞地说“还好,缠缠咧。”意思就是说,“还不错,马马虎虎啦”,处于说好也不是特别好,说坏肯定还不坏的状态。好多人不会写这个字,有的人根据读音会写成“转转”。其实这与本意相差十万八千里。缠缠是一个十分古意的词。来源也是在生产实践中。
[2007-09-14 23:34:46]  <LoneStar> hellwolf, 上海属于百越族地盘
[2007-09-14 23:34:55]  <LoneStar> 百越就是越南那边的人
[2007-09-14 23:35:08]  <LoneStar> 跟你不是一个族的
[2007-09-14 23:35:22]  <hellwolf> 不都是汉人么
[2007-09-14 23:35:23]  <hongdan> 不能那样说,只能说曾经是
[2007-09-14 23:36:27]  <LoneStar> 上海有25%的人含有百越族特征基因
[2007-09-14 23:36:38]  <LoneStar> 不过我不知道有没有,没人给我查
[2007-09-14 23:36:44]  <hongdan> 75%的是汉人基因
[2007-09-14 23:36:45]  <LoneStar> 我妈妈是常州人
[2007-09-14 23:37:02]  <LoneStar> 有没有百越特征都是汉人
[2007-09-14 23:37:18]  <hellwolf> 看面相可以看出姓氏的
[2007-09-14 23:37:44]  <hellwolf> 姓缪的大多是帅哥美女
[2007-09-14 23:37:56]  <hers> ..
[2007-09-14 23:08:05]  <hers> 那个 gnome-translate 好像满好用来
[2007-09-14 23:10:09]  <hongdan> hers,翻译主要工作是?
[2007-09-14 23:10:18]  <hers> 翻译
[2007-09-14 23:11:12]  <skynovo> 晚安,同志们
[2007-09-14 23:13:26]  <hongdan> 晚安,sky同志
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[2007-09-14 23:16:10]  =-= Mode #fedora-cn +v yichi  by hers
[2007-09-14 23:17:33]  <yichi> hers: compiz-fusion 在 fedora 8 里,好用么?
[2007-09-14 23:19:09]  <hers> @_@ 什么时候有的?
[2007-09-14 23:19:23]  <yichi> 一直都有吧
[2007-09-14 23:21:23]  <hers> 0.5.2 的 compiz 么,挺好的,每天都用着
[2007-09-14 23:22:55]  <hongdan> beryl就够了,感觉
[2007-09-14 23:24:03]  <yichi> 呵呵
[2007-09-14 23:24:11]  <yichi> 我也想装一个来着
[2007-09-14 23:24:25]  <yichi> 我在 fc7 上装了。
[2007-09-14 23:24:45]  <yichi> 不过一放视频,播放器就自动退出。
[2007-09-14 23:24:49]  <hers> ..
[2007-09-14 23:24:57]  <yichi> 你的可以么?
[2007-09-14 23:25:05]  <yichi> 可以放视频么?
[2007-09-14 23:25:48]  <yichi> 可以用播放器么?
[2007-09-14 23:27:55]  <hongdan> 我的也是f7,今天刚装的,还没在beryl下播放过,一会儿试试看.我用totem+mplayer解码,基本什么都能放

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