Fedora News Project Meetings: 2009-01-30
--> You are now talking on #fedora-meeting --- Topic for #fedora-meeting is Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel for meeting schedule Topic for #fedora-meeting set by glezos at Tue Jan 27 20:04:49 2009 * Loaded log from Wed Jan 28 07:23:00 2009 --> You are now talking on #fedora-meeting --- Topic for #fedora-meeting is infrastructure meeting moved to #fedora-admin Topic for #fedora-meeting set by jds2001 at Thu Jan 29 15:09:37 2009 OSD loaded * ctyler_ will be a few minutes late for FWN IRC meeting --- ctyler_ is now known as ctyler pcalarco has changed the topic to: Fedora Weekly News meeting 13:00-14:00 UTC --> abatkin (email@example.com) has joined #fedora-meeting <pcalarco> greetings, Adam! <abatkin> Hello <_ush_> Good morning <pcalarco> we'll wait a few minutes for everyone to arrive; Good morning! <-- stickster_afk has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) warren has quit ("Leaving") <pcalarco> we'll start in one minute by introducing ourselves with our Fedora wiki name <nicubunu> hello everybody <pcalarco> Greetings, Nicu! okay, let's do a role call; please introduce yourself with your Fedora username PascalCalarco <_ush_> OisinFeeley <nicubunu> NicuBuculei <abatkin> Abatkin <pcalarco> ctyler noted that he will be late a few minutes for the meeting; I think we can get started now thanks to everyone for joining; we have a lot of good topics to discuss, so we'll jump right in to the agenda --> drago01 (firstname.lastname@example.org) has joined #fedora-meeting <pcalarco> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Fedora_News_2009-01-30 first item we have is finding new writers for some of the dormant beats Ambassadors, Marketing, and Security Week are the most important <_ush_> I guess we need to contact the people whose beats have not appeared for months and give them the chance to restart them if they want to. <pcalarco> yes <nicubunu> and then rase a call for writers on the respective lists? <pcalarco> I will take the action item to contact the Ambassador contact and follow up on that list; could I have other volunteers? <_ush_> I'm presuming it is best if someone active in a particular list does outreach? <pcalarco> ideally I can also do marketing <_ush_> If no one else steps up I'll do Security Week. It may be necessary to cast a wide net there. I miss that column. <-- nman64 has quit (Remote closed the connection) <pcalarco> we could ask David Nalley if he knows someone suitable for the security liust, since he does sec updates <_ush_> pcalarco: good idea <pcalarco> ah great, Oisin, thanks could you get in touch with David? --> stickster_afk (email@example.com) has joined #fedora-meeting <_ush_> pcalarco: will do <pcalarco> Greetings, Stickster! ok, next item; we have several formatting open issues <stickster_afk> Hi pcalarco <pcalarco> the first issue is Dale's suggestion for templates, such as he has used with <pkg> the first question I have is where are all of these documented? <_ush_> I like what Dale is doing, but I have no idea how it fits in with general Docs policy for wiki <pcalarco> +1 <_ush_> There's nothing in the style guide that I can find about pkg templates. --- stickster_afk is now known as stickster <_ush_> And people being able to find/search content in wiki is most important thing probably So I would welcome guidance from knowledgeable docs people <pcalarco> it has been useful though, so we could suggest these as revisions upstream, so to speak perhaps Oisin and I could take as an action item to investigate what is possible here and present these to the News Team? <_ush_> pcalarco: sounds like what we need to do. We may need to create a wiki scratch space, play around and show the results to the docs list and ask for feedback. <pcalarco> very good. Any other comments on this issue before moving on? ok. The next issue is person references in stories. IanWeller suggested instead of camelcase references we use the User: references --> RodrigoPadula (n=Rodrigo@18.104.22.168) has joined #fedora-meeting <abatkin> It's not always easy finding user pages, sometimes I can find one but not the other <pcalarco> detailed discussion on this at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_talk:Dale <nicubunu> this happened to me a couple of issues ago, used the name in camel case style of the person who wrote to the mailing list <pcalarco> I often have to search the wiki as well <nicubunu> but it wasn't the name he use for the wiki, so he edited my beat some days after we published FWN <_ush_> pcalarco: I've done this occasionally but I don't like doing it. It's a lot more work than using CamelCase. I guess it depends on possible workflows: I use LaTeX/LyX -> (ascii export) -> Vim. I use macros in Vim to autoformat CamelCase names in wiki markup and having to do the User: thing means I have to create a dictionary of every possible one <_ush_> abatkin: +1 <pcalarco> this is coming as a strong suggestion from the Docs group, so I think we should try to be compliant with the MediaWiki standard, to the extent we can <_ush_> pcalarco: so what possible tools can we use to ease the burden? <pcalarco> perhaps we could search for usernames as appropriate, and where they don't exist, we could use camelcase? --> SmootherFrOgZ (n=Xavier@fedora/SmootherFrOgZ) has joined #fedora-meeting <pcalarco> project wide, it would be good if we could encourage people to move their wiki personal pages to the User:<user> space <abatkin> That sounds reasonable to me (best effort, then fallback to whatever you can find) <pcalarco> I don't know who is 'in charge' of that, if anyone is however that is perhaps the docs team, as I think about it <_ush_> At risk of de-railing topic, what tools do people use to write their beats? I ask b/c I'm wondering if I'm making life hard for myself <pcalarco> ush: I just write in the wiki itself, with copying/pasting in the browser <abatkin> Ditto <nicubunu> i do the same, write directly in the wiki <_ush_> Interesting. <pcalarco> so perhaps for name references, we can search for usernames and then fall back to camelcase where we don't find folks on the first try? If this is acceptable, I will revise the FWN StyleGuide to this end <_ush_> +1 <pcalarco> ok, great. Next topic is possibly a new header with logo for FWN, possibly sourced from the Art Team <nicubunu> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService <pcalarco> I think part of this question depends on what we decide to do or not do, with Fedora Magazine ah, thank you, Nicu --> sdziallas (n=sebastia@p57A2D51E.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #fedora-meeting <_ush_> pcalarco: we could also just give FWN an overhaul on the wiki as well possibly. But yes, if we get involved with FM then we definitely need it. <pcalarco> so if we decide we want a snazzier graphic for FWN we can make a request with the Art Team for something appropriately engaging that is a great service <_ush_> pcalarco: it sure is! <nicubunu> also Ian Weller and Mo can help with styling the wiki page <pcalarco> ush: yes, good point, we can have both wiki and FM <_ush_> nicubunu: that would be great. What sort of load is on the Art Team? Is there a better/worse time for us to get some attention? <pcalarco> nicubunu: wonderful; are there some examples of where this has been done that you could suggest that we look at? <nicubunu> the best is to place a request to the DesignService queue and ping the mailing list <-- ctyler has quit (Remote closed the connection) <nicubunu> there is no bad or good time, some of us will be busy but some other free at any time * pcalarco nods <nicubunu> i believe mizmo-out and ian worked on the current wiki layout, so they are "experts" in the matter but we have to define what is needed: only a banner or more --> ctyler (firstname.lastname@example.org) has joined #fedora-meeting <pcalarco> Okay, Oisin and I could follow up with IanWeller and start a conversation on what is possible let's discuss http/https references and then move on to discuss Fedora Magazine * ctyler has connectivity issues, will have to read logs afterwards <_ush_> This kind of plays into the request to the list from Thorsten Leemhuis a week or so ago. He felt that FWN was not as professional looking as e.g. OpenSuSE mag. <pcalarco> ctyler: no problem, welcome :) yes <_ush_> There were a couple of issue: 1) references appearing below each paragraph; 2) lack of hyperlinking to references to save having to scroll to find each one <pcalarco> consulting with IanWeller may result in a more slick look for FWN <_ush_> Max Spevack has been experminenting with the ref tags in his last two columns <pcalarco> yes, I suppose this is a MediaWiki convention as well? <nicubunu> i understood we are using references so FWN can also be sent as plain text email <_ush_> and I did a couple of tests last night and it looks as though we can easily do the references thing I checked the export to plaintext by cut and paste and it works nicely https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OisinFeeley#Testing_references <-- ankit has quit ("Off for the day !!!") --> ankit (n=ankit@nat/redhat-in/x-13875c5eb4f72fcb) has joined #fedora-meeting <-- ankit has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) <_ush_> all you do is wrap the URL in open and close ref tags. Then at the end of the news item add a references place holder. <pcalarco> ok, this seems like an obvious change then; this does look much cleaner <_ush_> So, it seems as though our mediawiki instance has the cite module enabled. There's a warning in the documentation for that module that you can't mix this style and some other one, so we should check that out. I didn't grok it. But I'd like to move to this way of doing things if there are no objections or obvious problems <pcalarco> we can update the FWN StyleGuide with this as well, and send a summary note to fedora-news-list; then begin introducing the changes into this week's FWN? <_ush_> pcalarco: +1. I'll add this reference stuff to style guide <pcalarco> ush: many thanks <-- asgeirf has quit (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference") <pcalarco> ok, this leaves some good time for discussion of whether we want to try to get involved with Fedora Magazine, which was so impressive to me when I saw it and it offers one of our longer-term goals to provide RSS capability for FWN <nicubunu> too bad we didn't get JonRob in this talk <pcalarco> nicubunu: we can follow up with him if there is sufficient consensus that we want to help <_ush_> I like the idea of FM, but I'm worried about the lack of apparent manpower. As things stand it makes it look as though we're dead. So, either we commit full blown with a reasonably idea of what it would take to make it run (e.g. extra commitments from several of us) or else we make sure that FWN is not conflated with FM. Currently FWN is producing content and FM is not. <nicubunu> it looks like his magazine died after a few weeks... or is dormant <pcalarco> one radical idea would be to stop producing FWN in the wiki and move it to FM that would seed it with some regular content --> bpepple (email@example.com) has joined #fedora-meeting <_ush_> pcalarco: like nicubunu mentioned I occasionally have people edit inaccuracies in the wiki. I would not want to see that lost. <abatkin> Is FM meant to put out "issues" periodically (weekly? monthly?) or continuously posting new things? <_ush_> Is there some way we could export from MediaWiki to Wordpress? <nicubunu> but this editing is not too late? <_ush_> abatkin: if it's modeled after Redhat Magazine then they have rolling content updated as it comes in I think. <nicubunu> AFAIK, the idea for FM was to put content *daily* --> mbacovsk (firstname.lastname@example.org) has joined #fedora-meeting <_ush_> nicubunu: in general yes, but at least the corrections are there for the record and I also learn from it :) <pcalarco> perhaps start off with a weekly issue; daily is a high bar to start from <_ush_> It seems like quite a few people read the archives of FWN, probably b/c they're busy and then catch up later <nicubunu> each day another type of content like Monday FWN, Tuesday "package of the week" and so on <pcalarco> if we could identify enough active subprojects, with people to regularly commit content, this would work well <abatkin> I often see blog posts (or a series of posts) that could be featured more prominently as top-level articles <_ush_> I loved JonRob's developer interviews and would like to see more. <pcalarco> what are appropriate action items for this, at this point? Certainly follow up with JonRob <nicubunu> JonRob called for help and I believe he didn't get follow-up, this is why FM is dormant <_ush_> pcalarco: it seems like we could help seeding like you say, but I don't want to move away from wiki <pcalarco> how many of us have time to work on helping with FM? <-- than_home has quit (Remote closed the connection) <pcalarco> ush: +1 <nicubunu> due to lack of other content, FM used my webcomic as one of its regular sources of content <abatkin> pcalarco: I could chip in every once in a while <pcalarco> nicu: I have always liked your comic and read it fairly regularly; I think this would be good to syndicate in there <_ush_> I'd suggest: 1) investigate how to export from MediaWiki to e.g. wordpress or whatever is the CMS du jour supported by infrastrucure; 2) contact JonRob to ask what his plans are; 3) take abatkin up on his offer now ! <pcalarco> ush: :) +1 <nicubunu> i don't want also to commit to anything else than "once in a while", i already have two things to work on a weekly basis (FWN and the webcomic) --> giallu (n=giallu@fedora/giallu) has joined #fedora-meeting <pcalarco> okay, sounds good then,thank you all --- quaid_ is now known as quaid <pcalarco> I must go to a meeting at the top of the hour <_ush_> I can probably help, but I want to see what the available tools mean in terms of commitment of work I've got to go soon too. I'll shut up now <pcalarco> ush: agreed <nicubunu> another think which may work with FM we at the Art team were thinking about collecting photos - wallpaper photos <pcalarco> thank you to everyone who came out to this meeting. I will post the log to fedora-news-list and also the wiki, later this morning <nicubunu> so if this get traction, maybe a wallpaper of the week <pcalarco> +1 okay, meeting is adjourned. Many thanks everyone, and have a great weekend!