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<tr id="t11:06"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- wwoods changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora QA meeting | init</td><td><a href="#t11:06" class="time">11:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hi. who's here for the QA meeting? anyone?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:09" class="time">11:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">bueller? (here)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:09" class="time">11:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Off the top of my head I don't think I have any new business</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:10" class="time">11:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">other than going over the blocker list again</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:10" class="time">11:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">rdieter: how's KDE lookin'?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:11" class="time">11:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">fwah. somehow we're up to 17 blockers in NE</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:11" class="time">11:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">NEW</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:11" class="time">11:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">wwoods: fair</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:11" class="time">11:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">f13: ping - did rawhide go out?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:13" class="time">11:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">still no movement on my pet bug: <a href="http://bugzilla.redhat.com/443320">http://bugzilla.redhat.com/443320</a> , may need to put in the "restart x on logout hack" to workaround in the meantime</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:15" class="time">11:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">how much time do we have left for fixes to make f9-final ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:15" class="time">11:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">rdieter: ajax made some noise about it being easy to merge</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:15" class="time">11:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we begin spinning RCs this week</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:15" class="time">11:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we really need fixes this week if they're gonna get any sort of testing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:16" class="time">11:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I'd feel better not shipping a broken RC.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:16" class="time">11:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we don't really ship RCs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:16" class="time">11:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so that's a moot point</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:17" class="time">11:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">well s/ship/spin/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:17" class="time">11:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and then it all depends on your definition of "broken"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:17" class="time">11:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">naturally I'd feel better if we fixed all 67 open blockers</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:17" class="time">11:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but I don't think that's gonna happen</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:17" class="time">11:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">broken = bug not fixed (or worked around)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:17" class="time">11:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">of course.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:17" class="time">11:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">right, but the workaround is a one-line config-file fix</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:17" class="time">11:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it's really easy to drop into place</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:18" class="time">11:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so let's ping ajax and see if he has an ETA for merging that fix</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:18" class="time">11:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, more an ETA for a build that includes it, since I'm sure he's getting fixes from all over</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:18" class="time">11:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">thx, enough on me and that, anything else that mere mortals can look at and help with? :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:18" class="time">11:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:18" class="time">11:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:19" class="time">11:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">bug 443445</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:19" class="time">11:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> buggbot</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Bug <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=443445">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=443445</a> low, urgent, ---, Robin Norwood, ASSIGNED , Cannot install packages from repositories from which RPM-GPG-KEYs have not been installed.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:19" class="time">11:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">completely breaks updates and there's no forward movement on it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:19" class="time">11:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">is that what Richard's recent builds help, or is that just other stuff?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:20" class="time">11:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">other stuff</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:20" class="time">11:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">he wasn't aware that you need to import keys on new installs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:20" class="time">11:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">ugh, scary.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:20" class="time">11:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah. no shit.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:21" class="time">11:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">nobody's suggested a workaround and the proper fix requires backporting huge chunks of code</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:21" class="time">11:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jeremy: you're not gonna like this but.. can we get anaconda to import the standard keys at install-time?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:22" class="time">11:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hell I'll write the code if it helps, I'm just asking if that idea is feasible</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:22" class="time">11:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">wwoods: from where kimo sabe?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:22" class="time">11:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">heh. aren't they in fedora-release?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:23" class="time">11:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">couldn't we install fedora-release on the stage2 image</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:23" class="time">11:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">so you want me to import every key included in fedora-release?  also that doesn't fix the bloody problem</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:23" class="time">11:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it doesn't?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:23" class="time">11:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">as users might, you know, want to add other repos</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:23" class="time">11:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">well, it's a bandaid, for sure.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:24" class="time">11:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">and having fedora-release on the stage2 image doesn't do anything to help -- you still need to know _which_ keys to import</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:24" class="time">11:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">which would require anaconda to grow all the support for parsing what the installed system's yum config ends up being</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:24" class="time">11:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">and there's absolutely no way I trust writing that code today for a release candidate tomorrow</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:24" class="time">11:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">in anaconda we've still got pirut(ish) - can we use its 'import key' dialog for that?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:25" class="time">11:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah :/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:25" class="time">11:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">anaconda has a glade file and some UI code.  not pirut-ish</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:25" class="time">11:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">blerg</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:25" class="time">11:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah we need an impromptu FESCo meeting or something</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:26" class="time">11:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">this needs to be sorted out. immediately.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:26" class="time">11:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:26"><td class="action" colspan="2">* rdieter found hughsie in #fedora-desktop, invited him over here.</td><td><a href="#t11:26" class="time">11:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it's not really QA's job to fix it, and we kind of know what the options are</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:26" class="time">11:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we just need to discuss 'em and pick the best one</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:27" class="time">11:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that's kind of a FESCo matter.. I think</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:27" class="time">11:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:27"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jeremy was really about to walk out the door so that he can, you know, eat lunch before class.  but I'll stick around I guess :-/</td><td><a href="#t11:27" class="time">11:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jeremy: you gonna be gone the rest of the day, then?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:28" class="time">11:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">wwoods: there is absolutely zero infrastructure for this in anaconda... getting it to work for all of the install paths is almost guaranteed to be doomed :(</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:28" class="time">11:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> hughsie</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">hi</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:28" class="time">11:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">okay, so anaconda's no good</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:28" class="time">11:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">wwoods: yeah, today is an afternoon of hosage</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:28" class="time">11:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">hughsie: just discussing lovely bug #bug 443445 and brainstorming options</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> buggbot</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Bug <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=443445">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=443445</a> low, urgent, ---, Robin Norwood, ASSIGNED , Cannot install packages from repositories from which RPM-GPG-KEYs have not been installed.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">which leaves: a) massive backports in PackageKit, b) hack together pirut-based workaround</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> hughsie</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">wwoods: did you see my mail this morning?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hughsie: no, hang on</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> hughsie</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">wwoods: <a href="http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=589979">http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=589979</a> and <a href="http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=589973">http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=589973</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">wwoods: b would still require PackageKit changes....</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> hughsie</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">wwoods: it's not pretty, but sortof worked</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hughsie: mail to where?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:30" class="time">11:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">rel-eng</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:30" class="time">11:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">doh! threading fools me again</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:30" class="time">11:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> hughsie</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">wwoods: :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:31" class="time">11:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hughsie: thanks for making a quick hack at this.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:31" class="time">11:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">wwoods: I thought you had seen that and weren't happy with it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:31" class="time">11:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">bah!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:31" class="time">11:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">okay, so as not to keep jeremy malnourished</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:31" class="time">11:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">jeremy: eat!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:31" class="time">11:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> hughsie</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">wwoods: the UI is the worst you've ever seen, but it seems to work for me. to avoid breaking abi and api in 0.1.x i reused an unused method that looked a bit similar.....</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:31" class="time">11:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> hughsie</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">wwoods: i'm thining of pushing out 0.2.1 to updates testing in a few weeks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:32" class="time">11:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">bad UI beats no UI, at least for things like this</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:32" class="time">11:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> hughsie</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">as that looks beautiful for this sort of thing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:32" class="time">11:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hughsie: that's fine</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:32" class="time">11:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> hughsie</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">wwoods: if you could test it i would appreciate it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:32" class="time">11:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> hughsie</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">wwoods: i'm just building another gpk for #441755</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:33" class="time">11:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah we'll test these and if things are no good I'll track you down again</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:33" class="time">11:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hughsie: oh - is there a feature roadmap for gpk etc. anywhere? we get reports / bugs about things that I know are planned features</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:34" class="time">11:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">e.g. installing multiple packages at once</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> hughsie</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">wwoods: no, but that's a good idea. i'll hack one up now.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">both from gpk-application or system-install-packages</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> hughsie</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">well, one implies the other - gpk-install-package is a trivial fix when we expand the api...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it would be helpful if I had some documentation that showed that, yes, these are planned</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but we get separate bugs about 'em</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">:/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> hughsie</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">wwoods: cool, give me 15</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:37"><td class="action" colspan="2">* rdieter is installing test pk builds now.</td><td><a href="#t11:37" class="time">11:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hughsie: so the PK tracker has: bug 438868</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:38" class="time">11:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> buggbot</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Bug <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=438868">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=438868</a> low, low, ---, Robin Norwood, MODIFIED , pk-install-file requires network access to install local files</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:38" class="time">11:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">you mentioned a fix building for bug 441755</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:38" class="time">11:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> buggbot</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Bug <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=441755">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=441755</a> low, low, ---, Robin Norwood, MODIFIED , gpk-application hangs on "other" group</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:38" class="time">11:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and we're working on bug 443445</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:38" class="time">11:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> buggbot</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Bug <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=443445">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=443445</a> low, urgent, ---, Robin Norwood, ASSIGNED , Cannot install packages from repositories from which RPM-GPG-KEYs have not been installed.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:38" class="time">11:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that leaves bug 442223 up in the air</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:39" class="time">11:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> buggbot</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Bug <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=442223">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=442223</a> low, low, ---, Robin Norwood, ASSIGNED , gpk-update-viewer gets stuck on "Getting information"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:39" class="time">11:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> hughsie</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">wwoods: that's on my totdo for tonight</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:41" class="time">11:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">k. I'll make a note of it on the bug.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:41" class="time">11:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">oop. and now there's bug 441127</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:43" class="time">11:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> buggbot</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Bug <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=441127">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=441127</a> medium, medium, ---, Robin Norwood, ASSIGNED , PackageKit ignores user preferences</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:43" class="time">11:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">back in action</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:43" class="time">11:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> hughsie</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">wwoods: that shuld be fixed - i can't reproduce that myself</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:44" class="time">11:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> G__81</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">hi I joined the Fedora project as a contributor last week and i ve already started off with bug triagging which i like to do and would continue to do too now how do i take my contribution to the next level. Any clues would be really helpful.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:44" class="time">11:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> G__81</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">i was sponsored by wwoods for the fedora account :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:44" class="time">11:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hughsie: would you have a day (or evening or whatev) this week to do a PackageKit Bug Day?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:44" class="time">11:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> G__81</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">hi wwoods thanks for sponsoring me :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:44" class="time">11:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hughsie: probably won't be much more IRC traffic than usual, just idling in #fedora-qa and people who have PK bugs can come by and we'll help get them filed or set the reporter straight</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:45" class="time">11:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> hughsie</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">wwoods: sure, by evening do you mean EST time?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:46" class="time">11:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> hughsie</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I'm GMT+1 here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:46" class="time">11:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">G__81: depends on what you'd like to do - testing proposed updates for the stable releases is really helpful</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:46" class="time">11:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hughsie: whichever works for you - it's hard to say where the majority of reporters are, but my gut says they're centered around US Eastern</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:46" class="time">11:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> G__81</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">wwoods, i have a single system a laptop which runs Fedora 8 can i use that alone to do it . That's my system that i use daily i could fix bugs in some packages and help testing some packages too</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:47" class="time">11:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> hughsie</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">wwoods: okay, late night it is then :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:47" class="time">11:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">G__81: sure - enable the updates-testing repository and check out <a href="http://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/">http://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:49" class="time">11:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hughsie: heh. sorry for the short notice on this, but it seems like you work typical engineer hours (10am to "oh crap I should get dinner")</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:50" class="time">11:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so I didn't think it would be too much of a hardship to ask if you'd mind staying late one day</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:50" class="time">11:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:50" class="time">11:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">G__81: bodhi is the system that the developers use to push out newly-built packages for testing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:51" class="time">11:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> hughsie</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">wwoods: it's no problem at all</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:51" class="time">11:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> hughsie</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">wwoods: i seem to work 18 hour days as it is :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:51" class="time">11:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> G__81</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">yup sure i ll do that but i just want to reconfirm whether updates-testing is enabled or not so how do i make sure its enabled</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:51" class="time">11:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">G__81: so log in and check out the Fedora 8 Testing packages - if there's something you use, install it from updates-testing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:51" class="time">11:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">test it out and report whether it works or not</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:52" class="time">11:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> G__81</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">yup sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:52" class="time">11:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> G__81</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">will do that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:52" class="time">11:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">G__81: the easy way is to run pirut (add/remove software) and use the Repo editor in the menu</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:52" class="time">11:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hughsie: yeah, you really do seem to work 18 hours a day</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:53" class="time">11:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:53" class="time">11:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> hughsie</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">wwoods: well, i move in with my g/f soon - that will have to be curtailed a little :-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:54" class="time">11:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hughsie: ha. yes, understood</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:54" class="time">11:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> skvidal</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">wwoods: earlier when you mentioned grub --once not working - was that on xen or on an actual system?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:54" class="time">11:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">skvidal: actual system</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:55" class="time">11:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> skvidal</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">hmm, darn</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:55" class="time">11:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> skvidal</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">oka</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:55" class="time">11:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> skvidal</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">y</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:55" class="time">11:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well let's see. thursday or monday? monday's the 5th already. awful close to release.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:55" class="time">11:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> skvidal</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">I noticed that the --once trick doesn't work on xen</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:55" class="time">11:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> G__81</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">wwoods, i also wanna be part of the cvsextras team and i got an email stating that there should be a sponsor for that and the same for ambassador but then i created an account in the wiki page but i ve not got any mail after that anything else should i do for that?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:55" class="time">11:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">G__81: cvsextras is mostly for packaging, which has a different set of rules for sponsorship etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">testing: gnome-packagekit, gpk-application works (prompts). gpk-install-package does not.  intended or oversight/bug?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I don't think I can sponsor people for that - I'm not a very good packager :/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> G__81</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">how about for bug-fixing is there a separate group or account ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">G__81: bug fixing is a packaging thing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> G__81</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">oh !</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:57" class="time">11:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> G__81</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">i wanna be part of that :) can someone take me into it :) ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:57" class="time">11:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> G__81</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">i am very much interested in testing and bug  fixing part</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:57" class="time">11:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it requires putting new patches in packages and rebuilding them and stuff. Usually it's easiest to start out by filing bugs and attaching patches to the bug</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:57" class="time">11:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that's how I get bug fixes done</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:57" class="time">11:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> G__81</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">i currently triag bugs which i really like doing and i want to go ahead by testing and then fixing bugs thats my short term goal :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:58" class="time">11:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">G__81: it's a good goal!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:58" class="time">11:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anyway, we're a bit off-topic here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:58" class="time">11:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> G__81</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">i know i am sorry for that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:58" class="time">11:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">hughsie: ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> hughsie</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">rdieter: hey</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">[10:56]  <rdieter> testing: gnome-packagekit, gpk-application works (prompts). gpk-install-package does not.  intended or oversight/bug?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> hughsie</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">ahh, sorry, too many irc windows</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Unless there's any more stuff relating to the blocker list for F9, we should end the meeting (I think there's another meeting at 12 local time)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> hughsie</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">well, just not hecked in</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">wwoods: +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> hughsie</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">rdieter: in master we've solved this properly</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> G__81</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">wwoods, in the Bodhi repository there is a link which says stable so should i click on that and download a package and start testing it and report bugs ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">rdieter: we can continue this in #packagekit</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">hughsie: thx.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> G__81</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">wwoods, and report bugs in Bugzilla is that all ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> hughsie</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">wwoods: you mean #PackageKit</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">G__81: let's continue in #fedora-qa</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> G__81</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ending the meeting now. thanks for your time, folks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a></td></tr>
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