QA/Meetings/20100726

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Attendees

People present (lines said):

  1. kparal (72)
  2. adamw (35)
  3. j_dulaney (23)
  4. tertl3 (7)
  5. fenris02 (5)
  6. Viking-Ice (5)
  7. zodbot (2)
  8. dafrito (1)

Agenda

Previous meeting follow-up

F14 Alpha test milestones

Owner - User:jlaska
Summary
F14 Alpha Test Compose is near.

AutoQA update

Owner - User:wwoods
Summary
vaschenb's helloworld patch committed, it cause some regressions that are being fixed
kparal posted patchset to 'control.autoqa' branch enabling multihook tests, new test scheduling and autotest labels support (i.e. "all inclusive")
Next steps...
Merge the patches into master after wwoods reviews them


Open discussion - <Your topic here>

Test Days

Owner - User:adamw
Summary
Adamw notes that we're looking very light on test days for this cycle, so if anyone has any ideas, please pitch in.

Polish release criteria

Owner - User:adamw
Summary
adamw and jlaska will propose one or two criteria about artwork stuff to add to the final release

School class testing

Owner - User:j_dulaney
Summary
instructer at CCC said that he would get his OS class to do some testing for us
Next steps
the class could try proventesters tasks

Upcoming QA events

  • 2010-07-29 - Test Alpha 'Test Compose'
  • 2010-07-30 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (f14alpha) #3

Action items

IRC Transcript

kparal #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting 15:02
zodbot Meeting started Mon Jul 26 15:02:10 2010 UTC. The chair is kparal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:02
zodbot Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:02
kparal #topic Gathering interested mass 15:02
* j_dulaney is here 15:02
kparal let's see if there's anyone interested in the meeting today 15:02
kparal several people are not able to attend 15:02
* dafrito is here 15:02
* tertl3 arrives 15:02
* Viking-Ice half in half out.. 15:03
adamw morning 15:03
* kparal tips hat to everyone 15:03
* fenris02 waves 15:03
kparal wwoods may be lurking? 15:03
adamw he does that 15:03
j_dulaney lurking, or lairing? 15:04
kparal hah, I would really like to know what it means in english, but literal translation to czech is really funny 15:04
kparal alright, seems we all now 15:05
adamw go with that then =) 15:05
kparal jlaska is not available today, so I'll try to (hardly) replace him 15:06
kparal jskladan is also out, so is vaschenb 15:06
kparal #topic Previous meeting followup 15:06
kparal do we have any issues to check from the last time? 15:06
* kparal searching 15:07
adamw we usually do 15:07
j_dulaney The proventester followup thingy? 15:07
adamw last time: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20100719 15:07
j_dulaney Can't remember who was supposed to do that, or even if it was supposed to be done. 15:07
adamw only one action item: 15:07
adamw "maxamillion to set up a weekly outstanding proventester mentor request checkin" 15:07
j_dulaney That's what it was 15:08
adamw looks like he's awol today =) 15:08
kparal eheh 15:08
kparal alright, we will skip that point 15:08
kparal so let's go to the new topics 15:08
kparal jlaska proposed: 15:08
kparal #topic F14 Alpha test milestones 15:09
kparal #link http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-14/f-14-quality-tasks.html 15:09
kparal the important items: 15:09
kparal > Thu 29-Jul  Wed 04-Aug  Test Alpha 'Test Compose'Fri 30-Jul  Fri 30-Jul  Alpha Blocker Meeting (f14alpha) #3 15:09
* kparal tries again 15:09
kparal Thu 29-Jul  Wed 04-Aug  Test Alpha 'Test Compose' 15:09
kparal Fri 30-Jul  Fri 30-Jul  Alpha Blocker Meeting (f14alpha) #3 15:09
kparal so it should be only three days and we can have our hands on first official F14 bit 15:10
adamw yup 15:10
j_dulaney Nice 15:10
adamw systemd went default in rawhide yesterday, so that should be in 15:10
kparal adamw: anything you want to add to this topic? it's your floor more than mine :) 15:10
j_dulaney Nice 15:10
kparal alright, it will be quick today :) 15:11
adamw Oxf13: if you're around, might it be a good idea to do a test-test-compose to see if you can build working images at all with systemd? just so you don't hit problems on wed/thur and get delayed 15:11
fenris02 can you boot with selinux enabled now? (do you get a graphical greeter yet?) 15:12
adamw theoretically i think both of those are meant to be fixed 15:12
adamw i haven't actually tested yet since the switch was broken (lennart muffed the dependencies) 15:12
fenris02 adamw, afaict, they are still broken. 15:12
adamw fenris02: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=186032 is supposed to help the selinux stuff 15:13
Viking-Ice There went few selinux patches from Dan into systemd 4 15:13
adamw anyhow, i'll try and test it later 15:13
kparal alrighty, thanks. let's go into next topic 15:14
j_dulaney I'll try to give it a manual test on some of my hardware 15:14
kparal #topic AutoQA update 15:14
adamw yup, we should try and test it out if we can. 15:14
kparal seems that I'm the only one for AutoQA update today 15:15
kparal well then 15:15
kparal I committed vaschenb's 'helloworld' patch 15:15
kparal and broken a lot of stuff :) 15:15
adamw aha! progress! 15:15
kparal so the fixes are continuously flowing and repairing and breaking new stuff 15:16
kparal I also prepared a big 'control.autoqa' branch that contains patchset for 1. multihook tests, 2. better test scheduling, 3. autotest labels support 15:17
* j_dulaney is still trying to figure out AutoQA so he can help 15:17
kparal we are really waiting for wwoods' expertise to review this patch 15:17
adamw but that's stuff that's vital for the package update test plan right? 15:17
kparal but it should be merged to master hopefully soon and then we can do some really wild stuff, haha 15:17
kparal adamw: yes 15:18
adamw cool. 15:18
kparal the AutoQA infrastructure now undergoes big rewrites, so maybe it will be better to wait a little while, j_dulaney 15:18
kparal under to documentation is corrected and so on 15:19
kparal s/under/untill 15:19
j_dulaney kparal: I've noticed on the mailing list 15:19
kparal I have heard that wwoods' hardware had mailfunctioned, so it may take a few days until he's up and running again and accepting patches 15:20
kparal alright, that should be it 15:20
kparal #topic Open Floor - your issue here 15:20
kparal what do you want to discuss? 15:20
tertl3 live lite music spin coming soon 15:20
adamw (your_ad_here)! 15:20
tertl3 ccrma kernel possible for music spin? 15:21
fenris02 no point, and it would break a great many items 15:21
* kparal has no idea what ccrma kernel is 15:21
adamw um, let's see. no news on proven testers, really. we're looking very light on test days for this cycle, so if anyone has any ideas, please pitch in. 15:21
kparal #info Please provide ideas for Test Days 15:22
j_dulaney ie, things to test? 15:22
kparal j_dulaney: basically a new or some old feature that needs to be tested 15:22
adamw anything from an idea for a test day through to 'hey, i want to organize one' 15:22
tertl3 can I ask a question? 15:22
kparal tertl3: sure, go on 15:22
tertl3 are the mesa-experimental going to going to still be 'experimental' in 14? 15:23
j_dulaney kparal: roger 15:23
j_dulaney adamw: How would I organize a test day? 15:23
adamw j_dulaney: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/SOP_Test_Day_management 15:23
adamw (boy, i love having an easy answer for that :>) 15:24
kparal j_dulaney: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days 15:24
kparal adamw: do you know about mesa-experimental? 15:24
j_dulaney adamw: kparal: thanks 15:24
adamw tertl3: it depends. what happens is that the package exists if there are any drivers still considered 'experimental' by the mesa folks. if there aren't, it doesn't. the content changes - for e.g., the r500 driver used to be in there. 15:24
fenris02 tertl3, look at rawhide? 15:24
tertl3 adamw, fenris02 thnks :) 15:25
adamw tertl3: nouveau may not be 'experimental' for f14 final, if we wind up shipping gnome-shell by default, as you'd want it installed by default. but that's just me speculating. ben skeggs (darktama) would know best. 15:25
kparal alright, any other topic? 15:25
j_dulaney adamw: I don't like the sound of that 15:26
j_dulaney I've had trouble with nouveau 15:26
adamw kparal: let's see, i had one thing...just a sec 15:26
adamw kparal: oh yeah, 'polish' release criteria 15:26
adamw but may be best to leave for next week since jlaska's interested in that 15:27
tertl3 i hear nouveau has problems with blender 15:27
kparal #topic Polish release criteria 15:27
kparal ah 15:27
kparal alright 15:27
adamw we're both fairly sure we were going to add a release criterion or two for 'polish' issues 15:27
adamw artwork stuff 15:27
j_dulaney Also, something I've had trouble with in Rawhide 15:27
adamw but we couldn't find any of the prior discussion of it, so we'll probably just start over, and we should propose one or two criteria to add to the final release. 15:27
Viking-Ice adamw: Is not that usually something that the design team makes sure is a ok? 15:28
kparal #info adamw and jlaska will propose one or two criteria about artwork stuff to add to the final release 15:28
adamw Viking-Ice: sure, but that doesn't mean it doesn't go in the release criteria 15:29
kparal Viking-Ice: software is also usually taken care of at devel team and still we have it in release criteria :) 15:29
adamw kparal: exactly what I was gonna say :) 15:29
Viking-Ice ok 15:29
kparal #topic Open Floor 15:29
kparal I noone else has some topic, I think we've broken record in the fastest QA meeting ever :) 15:30
j_dulaney I have a little bit of a follow up 15:30
kparal j_dulaney: go ahead 15:30
j_dulaney Namely, the instructer at CCC said that he would get his OS class to do some testing for us 15:30
j_dulaney That's it for now, fall semester's still a few weeks away 15:31
kparal #topic School class testing 15:31
kparal ah, no more details? 15:31
adamw j_dulaney: cool, i'd been wondering about that. 15:31
kparal we are surely looking forward for any support 15:31
j_dulaney kparal: I believe that he's going to have everyone in the class sign up for proventesters, but I could be mistaken on that count. 15:32
kparal I just wonder if we have enough simple tasks for 30 students :) 15:32
kparal proventesters sounds like a good idea 15:32
Viking-Ice If we dont we can always make up couple of things ;) 15:32
kparal #info the class could try proventesters tasks 15:32
j_dulaney kparal: probably more like six or seven, ten at the most 15:32
kparal that's fine. I think it's even better than 30 15:33
kparal ok, thanks for info j_dulaney 15:33
j_dulaney roger 15:33
kparal #topic Open Floor 15:33
kparal ok, thanks everyone for attending 15:35
kparal have a great monday :) 15:35
kparal #endmeeting 15:35

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