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Fedora QA meeting for 30 May 2011

Contents

Attendees

People present (lines said):

  1. vhumpa1 (81)
  2. j_dulaney (67)
  3. adamw (63)
  4. mathezula (5)
  5. nirik (2)
  6. Nushio (1)
  7. fenrus02 (1)

Unable to attend:

  1. Rhe (hopefully sleeping)
  2. Hongqing (hopefully sleeping)
  3. wutao85 (hopefully sleeping)
  4. jskladan
  5. kparal
  6. tflink (public holiday)
  7. jlaska (public holiday)

Agenda

Previous meeting follow-up

Security test cases from athmane

Release criteria updates

 a new final release criterion: A spin-kickstarts package which contains the exact
 kickstart files used  to build the release must be present in the
 release repository. The  included kickstarts must define the correct
 set of release repositories
 a new final criterion: A fedora-release package and a
 generic-release package appropriately  versioned and containing the
 correct names, information and repository  configuration for a final
 Fedora release (as opposed to a pre-release)  must be present in the
 release repository
  • Tasks:
    • make sure we have tests for the new criteria:
    • Ask desktop team about changing similar menu names
    • adamw to talk to desktop teams about too-similar menu names (NOTE: changed to vhumpa later)

Last call for F-15 QA retrospective input

AutoQA updates

  • We have still been working on the revised logs and also merged depcheck "pretty" by jskladan into pretty branch.
  • basically we have been finishing up stuff that we have been working on for three weeks now
  • kparal has been reworking test.py architecture and all the tests along with it extensively as well as introduced changes in the e-mail sending
  • pretty log has been changed to html and we have added a possibility for highlighting which will be used especially from depcheck
  • Task: get back at Tim for the spam reduction updates and a time estimate of merging that together with the logging changes in the master so we can release

IPv6 Test Day

  • wiki page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Day:2011-06-08_IPv6
  • World IPv6 Day is happening on june 8 so we have decided to have a fedora IPv6 test day as well
  • Task: Everybody to keep in mind that ipv6 test day and trac ticket might need some prettying up and separating out into test cases and generally we should go through them to see if they are complete in time

Open Discussion - <your topic here>

IRC Log

vhumpa1 #startmeeting Fedora Quality Assurance Meeting 15:08
zodbot Meeting started Mon May 30 15:08:27 2011 UTC. The chair is vhumpa1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:08
zodbot Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:08
* j_dulaney has never chaired a meeting before 15:08
* vhumpa1 neither 15:08
vhumpa1 Okay, let's do the roll-up 15:09
vhumpa1 Something tells me it won't be big :-) 15:09
* j_dulaney is here 15:10
vhumpa1 Anybody else present? 15:10
* Nushio is present 15:10
vhumpa1 Nushio: greetings 15:11
vhumpa1 #meetingname Fedora Quality Assurance Meeting 15:11
zodbot The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_quality_assurance_meeting' 15:11
j_dulaney #topic Security Lab Tests 15:12
vhumpa1 If that is let's start walking through the proposed agenda 15:12
vhumpa1 #topic Security test cases from athmane 15:12
j_dulaney https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_OpenVAS 15:13
vhumpa1 Athmane? 15:13
j_dulaney https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Rkhunter 15:13
j_dulaney https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Nikto 15:13
j_dulaney https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_HTTPing 15:13
j_dulaney I don't see anything specifically wrong with them. 15:14
vhumpa1 #addchair j_dulaney 15:14
j_dulaney I reckon I should #info those 15:15
vhumpa1 j_dulaney: good idea 15:15
j_dulaney #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_HTTPing https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Nikto https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Rkhunter https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_OpenVAS 15:15
j_dulaney Testing in each case seems straightforward. 15:16
vhumpa1 j_dulaney: Looks like I need to add you as a chairman 15:16
vhumpa1 #chair j_dulaney 15:16
zodbot Current chairs: j_dulaney vhumpa1 15:16
vhumpa1 #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_HTTPing https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Nikto https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Rkhunter https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_OpenVAS 15:16
vhumpa1 Okay, let's move on. This one is likely going to be short :) And a bust :) 15:17
j_dulaney #topic Release criteria updates 15:18
vhumpa1 Would be great if we had adamw here 15:19
vhumpa1 Anybody wants to sum up the Release Criteria updates here? 15:19
j_dulaney Looking 15:22
vhumpa1 I see that F16 criteria pages have been created http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_16_Alpha_Release_Criteria 15:22
vhumpa1 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_16_Beta_Release_Criteria 15:22
j_dulaney Indeed 15:23
vhumpa1 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_16_Final_Release_Criteria 15:23
j_dulaney Have they been updated with the new criteria? 15:23
j_dulaney C'est la question 15:23
vhumpa1 to quote adamw: two more criteria agreed in the October 2010 discussion that we failed to put in 15:23
vhumpa1 in the final 15:24
j_dulaney http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-May/099787.html 15:24
vhumpa1 alpha: add logger criterion recently discussed on list 15:24
vhumpa1 And the beta criteria remain unchanged 15:25
j_dulaney Final, no Other menu has been removed 15:25
vhumpa1 Also: No application may unintentionally appear twice in the menus. In particular, items under System must not appear under Applications in the Final 15:26
j_dulaney I should say, the criteria that there be no 'Other' menu. 15:26
vhumpa1 Although I am not sure whether these are not the ones already changed in F15. Any idea about those talked about " in October"? 15:27
j_dulaney Can't remember, but I think they've been propogated 15:27
adamw yo 15:27
adamw oh sorry folks i didn't realize someone was running a meeting! my bad 15:28
j_dulaney Adamw saves us from the insanity 15:28
vhumpa1 Hey adam! 15:28
vhumpa1 Wanna take over? :) 15:28
adamw no, carry on 15:28
vhumpa1 Make it a little less of an catastrophe? :) 15:28
adamw hey, looks fine to me 15:28
adamw i think you summed up the updates fine 15:28
vhumpa1 okay, do you have any notes on the release criteria revisions? 15:29
j_dulaney Adamw: these release criteria changes that happened in October, have they been propogated to F16? 15:29
adamw there'll probably be more coming, we should go back over the suggestions from the desktop team 15:29
adamw yes, that's where i put them - i didn't change the f15 criteria, there's no point since f15 is done 15:29
j_dulaney Indeed 15:29
vhumpa1 #info a new criterion: A spin-kickstarts package which contains the exact kickstart files used to build the release must be present in the release repository. The included kickstarts must define the correct set of release repositories 15:30
vhumpa1 #info a new final criterion: A fedora-release package and a generic-release package appropriately versioned and containing the correct names, information and repository configuration for a final Fedora release (as opposed to a pre-release) must be present in the release repository 15:31
adamw one thing with all these new criteria is to make sure we have validation tests that cover them: we have https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/151 for that 15:31
vhumpa1 #action make sure we have tests for the new criteria: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/151 15:32
j_dulaney I've a quick proposal: Have a criterion that forbids names that are too similar. 15:32
adamw names, as in...menu entry names? 15:32
j_dulaney adamw: Indeed 15:33
adamw i definitely like the idea of trying to squelch annoyingly-similar names 15:33
j_dulaney For instance, as has been recently pointed out, Software Update and Software Updates 15:33
adamw personally i think the desktop criteria kinda go too far as is, but they came in from the desktop team so i kept them... 15:33
adamw yeah, and there's Terminal / Terminal 15:33
adamw and some of the system-config-* apps have the same name as GNOME control panel applets 15:33
* nirik is still sad Xfce named their terminal Terminal. ;( 15:34
adamw (Date & Time is one I think) 15:34
j_dulaney Indeed 15:34
vhumpa1 also KDE system monitor has the same name 15:34
vhumpa1 Although I doubt we can do anything about that 15:34
adamw personally i'm not sure if the release criteria is the right place for it, but we could ask desktop team what they think 15:34
adamw and maybe try and get the desktops to work together and compromise a bit (as I guess it'll be hard to choose who 'wins' the generic name for things) 15:34
j_dulaney #action Ask desktop team about changing similar menu names 15:34
vhumpa1 adamw: At least we should make sure that this doesnt happen in the fresh Desktop installation 15:35
j_dulaney Indeed. 15:35
adamw yeah i'd definitely like to avoid it 15:35
j_dulaney There are plenty of instances within just Gnome 15:35
vhumpa1 Live image one... hard to do anything about custom DVD installs 15:35
adamw that might be a good standard to try and meet, yeah 15:36
j_dulaney +1 for such 15:36
adamw i'll take an action item to talk to the desktop teams about it if you like? or anyone else can 15:36
j_dulaney #action adamw to talk to desktop teams about too-similar menu names 15:37
vhumpa1 adamw: I am little less around here nowadays but if you want, I can do that too 15:37
adamw i'll chat to you about it after the meeting maybe 15:37
vhumpa1 Okay 15:37
adamw (quickly, i know it's close to leaving time :>) 15:38
vhumpa1 adamw: I am not even working today :) 15:38
adamw "i'm not even supposed to BE here today!" 15:38
adamw i do have one topic if we're done with the criteria, btw 15:38
vhumpa1 okay, anything else on the topic? 15:38
j_dulaney Right 15:38
j_dulaney Nothing 15:39
vhumpa1 Next one should be "Last call for F-15 QA retrospective input", but we can put yours in there right now 15:39
adamw no, that's fine, i'll go at the end 15:39
vhumpa1 Okay 15:39
j_dulaney #topic Last call for F-15 QA retrospective input 15:40
vhumpa1 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_QA_Retrospective 15:40
j_dulaney I'm assuming this means that if we haven't dropped said input soon, it will be ignored 15:40
vhumpa1 There is where we put notes on all that we think went well and wrong around the F15 cycle 15:40
adamw j_dulaney: pretty much - jlaska usually takes the input, summarizes it, and turns it into trac tickets, and i guess this means he's planning to do that soon 15:41
vhumpa1 So by the topic name :-) I guess now is the time for anybody to sugest some additions 15:41
* j_dulaney has nothing new 15:42
adamw well, also it's just a heads-up to get anything in in the next few days, doesn't have to happen during the meeting :) 15:42
adamw i think i have all my stuff in there already. 15:42
* vhumpa1 things it looks pretty solid by now 15:43
vhumpa1 thinks^^ 15:43
* vhumpa1 sticks his head in the sand :-) 15:43
j_dulaney See any oil? 15:44
vhumpa1 I wish :-) 15:44
adamw hehe 15:44
vhumpa1 Right, looks like we can move on 15:44
mathezula what's the topic for this meeting? its my first fedora-meeting 15:44
vhumpa1 #topic AutoQA updates 15:45
j_dulaney mathezula: Fedora QA 15:45
mathezula pertaining to packages only or support practices? 15:45
adamw mathezula: we cover various topics 15:45
adamw this bit is a little update from the autoqa team about what they've been working on lately 15:45
vhumpa1 mathezula: pretty much anything around Fedora life cycle 15:45
vhumpa1 Bad boy Kamil for not being here :-) 15:46
adamw usually kamil paral does it, but i think he's away today...so i guess vhumpa will? 15:46
vhumpa1 but I think i can do some 15:46
mathezula i have some concerns about operator behavior in the main fedora support channel on this network. is this covered? (p.s. are you adam williamson? :D :D) 15:46
adamw mathezula: yes, that's me, and no, we don't supervise #fedora 15:47
adamw mathezula: that would probably be something to bring up with the Board, the supervision of #fedora is a bit...unclear 15:47
vhumpa1 #info We have still been working on the revised logs and also merged depcheck "pretty" by jskladan into pretty branch. 15:47
j_dulaney Noice 15:48
adamw yay 15:48
mathezula alrighty. im trying to figure out how that all works. bear with me while i ooze newbiness. 15:48
* j_dulaney likes the html pretties 15:48
vhumpa1 #info basically we have been finishing up stuff that we have been working on for three weeks now 15:48
j_dulaney mathezula It's all good 15:48
mathezula also adamw i love your work. you're a role model in the community. 15:48
j_dulaney vhumpa1: Do you reckon a new release may be forthcoming? 15:49
vhumpa1 #info pretty log has been changed to html and we have added a possibility for highlighting which will be used especially from depcheck 15:49
j_dulaney How's the bodhi spam situation? 15:49
vhumpa1 j_dulaney: I think we are up to 0.5.0 this week 15:49
j_dulaney Noice 15:49
vhumpa1 I am not sure on the spam reduction though 15:49
vhumpa1 Tim has been working on that quite separately 15:50
adamw okay 15:50
* j_dulaney wonders if y'all should try to get that in 15:50
adamw tell him to be more sociable :D 15:50
vhumpa1 So, 0.5.0 really depends on how far that is and how the merge will end up 15:50
vhumpa1 But it's just a gut feeling, that it's doing good :) 15:51
j_dulaney Noice 15:52
vhumpa1 #action get back at Tim for the spam reduction updates and and a time estimate of merging that together with the logging changes in the master so we can release 15:52
vhumpa1 Quite likely that kparal is well informed on this 15:53
* j_dulaney would suspect so; kparal knows things 15:53
adamw cool, sounds like it's all moving in the right direction 15:53
* vhumpa1 plus 1 15:54
vhumpa1 as far as I am concerned, we can move on 15:54
adamw alrighty 15:54
j_dulaney #topic Open Discussion (Put your topic here) 15:54
j_dulaney Did I spell that right? 15:55
vhumpa1 j_dulaney: Ah, we're here already? YAY 15:55
adamw yup 15:55
adamw so i guess i'll put mine in here 15:55
vhumpa1 adamw: your topic 15:55
adamw we have an out-of-cycle test day coming up soon, for IPv6 15:55
adamw https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Day:2011-06-08_IPv6 15:55
j_dulaney #topic IPv6 Test Day 15:55
adamw and trac ticket https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/192 15:55
vhumpa1 #info wiki page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Day:2011-06-08_IPv6 15:56
adamw it's World IPv6 Day on june 8 so i got a proposal from within RH to have a fedora IPv6 test day - it seemed like a good idea 15:56
adamw so it's being put together via trac ticket and wiki page as usual 15:56
fenrus02 w00t!! 15:56
adamw the people putting it together aren't super plugged in to the fedora process so it'd be good to have people from our side just checking in with the trac and wiki page and helping to make sure everything's ready 15:56
vhumpa1 #info World IPv6 Day is happening on june 8 so we have decided to have a fedora IPv6 test day as well 15:57
adamw last time i checked the instructions were there but needing prettying up and separating out into test cases, and it would be good if people could go through them ahead of time and see if they're actually complete and easy to follow 15:57
adamw so yeah, just a heads-up for people to check out the trac page and wiki and help out if you can :) also of course publicity is great, tell your friends 15:58
j_dulaney Indeed 15:58
vhumpa1 adamw: Indeed we'll keep that in mind! 15:58
* nirik notes fedoraproject should be ipv6 ready... web pages, etc. 15:58
adamw cool 15:59
adamw that would be worth noting in the trac ticket 15:59
* j_dulaney will take that 16:00
adamw thanks 16:00
vhumpa1 #action Everybody to keep in mind that ipv6 test day and trac ticket might need some prettying up and separating out into test cases and generally we should go through them to see if they are complete in time 16:01
j_dulaney Done 16:02
vhumpa1 Did all these infos and actions get noted? Not sure whether zodbot is not supposed to reply them 16:02
adamw as long as you're a chair it should be fine 16:02
adamw zodbot doesn't announce them 16:03
vhumpa1 okay, thanks 16:03
vhumpa1 #topic Open discussion 16:03
j_dulaney Adamw: Have you heard from pbrobinson regaurding the Sugar NM issue? 16:03
vhumpa1 Anything anybody would like to bring up? 16:03
j_dulaney #topic Sugar NetworkManager 16:04
adamw yes 16:04
j_dulaney What has he said? 16:04
adamw well, just what's on the bug 16:04
adamw "It should be changed. I'm going to produce another package and fix the live cd issues tomorrow morning and publish a test livecd" 16:04
j_dulaney Ah 16:05
adamw but that hasn't arrived yet.. 16:05
j_dulaney And that's been a couple of days 16:05
adamw so i may try and merge in your (j_dulaney) change myself and test that at least 16:05
* j_dulaney was wondering what had happened 16:05
adamw i don't know what the live image fixes are, so i can't do that bit, but i can test the nm fix at least 16:05
adamw yeah me too, i haven't heard from him since then; he may have just got busy, it happens 16:05
j_dulaney Adamw: I'd appreciate that 16:06
* j_dulaney can't spell, and never could 16:06
* vhumpa1 welcomes j_dulaney to the club 16:06
adamw eyem knot inn dat klub 16:07
j_dulaney Yay. Does this mean I get a shiny sertifkate? 16:07
adamw yes, except they can't spell your address right so it never arrives 16:07
j_dulaney Anywho, that's all I had 16:08
j_dulaney #topic Open Discussion 16:08
adamw i think that's all i have too 16:09
* vhumpa1 vhumpa didn't really have anything at all since he just jumped in for some lurking while studying for exam :) 16:09
* j_dulaney moves that we wrap things, he is hungry 16:09
vhumpa1 +1 16:09
j_dulaney #endmeeting 16:09

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