QA/Meetings/20110718
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Attendees
People present (lines said):
- jlaska (116)
- athmane (23)
- j_dulaney (16)
- robatino (13)
- adamw (12)
- rbergeron (12)
- tflink (5)
- brunowolff (5)
- zodbot (5)
- jforbes (4)
- jskladan (2)
- kparal (2)
- vhumpa (1)
- mkrizek (1)
- Viking-Ice (1)
- jsmith (1)
- pschindl (1)
Unable to attend:
Agenda
Previous meeting follow-up
- j_dulaney will check-in with desktop team for guidance on s-c-* -- thank you j_dulaney!!! (jlaska, 15:04:33)
- LINK: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2011-July/007342.html
- ACTION: j_dulaney volunteered to file bugs against s-c-* packages to recommend patching their .desktop file to avoid application name collisions (NotShowIn=...)
- jlaska will announce F16 Alpha blocker review meeting on Wednesday
- ACTION: jlaska - announce F16-Alpha-Blocker meeting #2
- rbergeron will reach out to cloud-sig for a last call on test case ideas
- LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-07-19_Cloud_SIG_Fedora_EC2
- athmane volunteered to update update release validation SOP to include new Security SPIN test matrix
- LINK: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-July/101284.html
Cloud SIG - Fedora 15 on Amazon EC2
- Fedora 15 on Amazon EC2 test day is scheduled this TUESDAY (2011-07-19)
- Athmane has copied the draft page and categorized it: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-07-19_Cloud_SIG_Fedora_EC2
- TODO: Athmane is waiting for Fedora 15 AMI ID to update the wiki page.
- Cloud SIG Meeting Minutes - 2011-07-15: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/cloud/2011-July/000670.html
- F15 AMI's not yet available, will propose rescheduling test day with Cloud Sig. Stay tuned to cloud@lists.fedoraproject.org
Next meeting
- Monday @ 15:00 UTC, July 25 2011
- jlaska will #chair the meeting next week
Open Discussion - <your topic here>
Minimum Delta-ISO size
- robatino asked .. ."if anyone had any ideas about why the minimum deltaiso size increased in F15"
- LINK: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-May/100322.html
- if you run makedeltaiso on 2 successive F14 netinsts, it would be about a factor of 2 or 3 smaller, but not in F15
- robatino will discuss with jdieter to help further isolate the problem.
oVirt Node Fedora 16 Spin
- LINK: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-July/101362.html
- There is a link of "applications"/ tests on the SPIN wiki at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ovirt_Node_Spin#Scope_.2F_Testing
- Athmane + jlaska will continue discussing options post-meeting
Action Items
- j_dulaney volunteered to file bugs against s-c-* packages to recommend patching their .desktop file to avoid application name collisions (NotShowIn=...)
- jlaska - announce F16-Alpha-Blocker meeting #2
IRC Log
| jlaska | #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting | 15:00 |
|---|---|---|
| zodbot | Meeting started Mon Jul 18 15:00:43 2011 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 15:00 |
| jlaska | #meetingname fedora-qa | 15:00 |
| zodbot | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' | 15:00 |
| jlaska | #topic Roll Call | 15:00 |
| * mkrizek here | 15:00 | |
| jlaska | Hi mkrizek | 15:01 |
| * tflink present | 15:01 | |
| * athmane here | 15:01 | |
| * robatino here | 15:01 | |
| * jlaska tips hat to tflink, athmane and robatino | 15:01 | |
| * kparal joined | 15:01 | |
| jlaska | ahoj kparal! | 15:02 |
| * jskladan lurks | 15:02 | |
| * j_dulaney waves | 15:02 | |
| kparal | ahoj vespolek :) | 15:02 |
| * pschindl is here | 15:02 | |
| jlaska | hello j.* :) | 15:02 |
| * jsmith lurks | 15:02 | |
| jlaska | zodbot needs a .translate feature :) | 15:02 |
| jskladan | :) | 15:03 |
| jlaska | alright ... anyone we're missing | 15:03 |
| jlaska | Viking-Ice, adamw, me? | 15:03 |
| jlaska | let's get started, and hopefully they'll join in if needed+available | 15:03 |
| * j_dulaney notes that some little boy knocks over a chair and immediately states that it wasn't his fault is a commentary on the sad state of responsibility | 15:04 | |
| jlaska | thanks to athmane for the topic ... so far only two planned agenda items, so this _might_ be quick | 15:04 |
| * Viking-Ice sneaks in.. | 15:04 | |
| jlaska | #topic Previous meeting follow-up | 15:04 |
| jlaska | #info j_dulaney will check-in with desktop team for guidance on s-c-* -- thank you j_dulaney!!! | 15:04 |
| j_dulaney | Yo | 15:04 |
| jlaska | I haven't checked in on desktop@ yet ... not sure if there was any movement on the s-c-* front | 15:04 |
| j_dulaney | Their response was that it isn't their area | 15:05 |
| adamw | yo | 15:05 |
| jlaska | looks like bastien notes they aren't owned by desktop@ and wondered if bugs have been filed yet? | 15:05 |
| jlaska | #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2011-July/007342.html | 15:05 |
| jlaska | adamw: heyo | 15:05 |
| * brunowolff is here, but was in another window and time slipped by. | 15:05 | |
| adamw | jlaska: yeah, that's right. | 15:06 |
| jlaska | welcome brunowolff, no worries | 15:06 |
| jlaska | so what's next then ... file bugs for each of these with a recommended change? | 15:06 |
| adamw | sure | 15:06 |
| * j_dulaney shall take care of that | 15:07 | |
| adamw | yay | 15:07 |
| jlaska | and the recommended fix for each of those is to include a patched .desktop file that has "NotInDesktop=..." ? | 15:07 |
| * jlaska forgets the exact syntax | 15:07 | |
| adamw | basically, yeah. | 15:08 |
| adamw | NotShowIn, I think. | 15:08 |
| jlaska | thx | 15:08 |
| jlaska | do we expect these bz's to be well received ... or will the WTF flags be flying high after filing these? | 15:08 |
| j_dulaney | Who knows? | 15:08 |
| jlaska | one way to find out, right! :D | 15:08 |
| jlaska | j_dulaney: thanks for volunteering, please do shout if you want some help filing or pulling together info for the bugs | 15:09 |
| brunowolff | A note about why the request is being made in the bug reports will probably help there. | 15:09 |
| jlaska | good point | 15:09 |
| adamw | i doubt there'd be much of a problem | 15:09 |
| jlaska | are we filing against all s-c-* packages, or only a subset at first? | 15:09 |
| j_dulaney | Indeed | 15:10 |
| jlaska | #action j_dulaney volunteered to file bugs against s-c-* packages to recommend patching their .desktop file to avoid application name collisions (NotShowIn=...) | 15:10 |
| j_dulaney | Maybe all, with a blocker bug? | 15:10 |
| adamw | only the ones there are equivalents for | 15:11 |
| jlaska | yeah, the smaller target where we have known naming collisions seems good | 15:11 |
| j_dulaney | Indeed | 15:11 |
| jlaska | are those previously listed somewhere for j_dulaney? | 15:11 |
| jlaska | s-c-keyboard, s-c-date ... ? | 15:11 |
| j_dulaney | Indeed, I have 'em | 15:11 |
| jlaska | okay, great | 15:11 |
| jlaska | thanks j_dulaney! | 15:12 |
| jlaska | #info jlaska will announce F16 Alpha blocker review meeting on Wednesday | 15:12 |
| jlaska | this was a really *small* task, but more a reminder that I needed to start sending those out again | 15:12 |
| jlaska | I'll do it again on Wednesday, unless someone is anxious for the task | 15:12 |
| jlaska | #action jlaska - announce F16-Alpha-Blocker meeting #2 | 15:12 |
| jlaska | #info rbergeron will reach out to cloud-sig for a last call on test case ideas | 15:12 |
| jlaska | athmane and tflink, you two have been tracking this ... do you know where this stands? | 15:13 |
| * athmane is waiting for ami ids | 15:13 | |
| tflink | same here | 15:13 |
| athmane | test cases are ok | 15:13 |
| athmane | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-07-19_Cloud_SIG_Fedora_EC2 | 15:13 |
| tflink | planning to send out an announcement later today | 15:14 |
| jlaska | oh, this is really related to the test day topic then? | 15:14 |
| jlaska | I'll move on and we can discuss that in more detail shortly ... | 15:14 |
| jlaska | #info athmane volunteered to update update release validation SOP to include new Security SPIN test matrix | 15:14 |
| athmane | yes | 15:14 |
| jlaska | athmane: thank you for updating the wiki's ... and adamw for announcing the changes | 15:14 |
| jlaska | #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-July/101284.html | 15:14 |
| athmane | me and adamw updated SOP | 15:14 |
| jlaska | I think we can close that out | 15:15 |
| * vhumpa is awfully late for his portion of lurking | 15:15 | |
| jlaska | vhumpa: welcome lurker! :D | 15:15 |
| jlaska | okay, on to athmane's topic | 15:15 |
| jlaska | #topic Cloud SIG - Fedora 15 on Amazon EC2 | 15:15 |
| jlaska | #chair athmane | 15:15 |
| zodbot | Current chairs: athmane jlaska | 15:15 |
| jlaska | athmane: feel free to take it away ... otherwise I'll just meetbot the commands you included in the agenda | 15:15 |
| athmane | ok | 15:16 |
| athmane | in the last cloud sig we agreed that tomorrow will be the test day | 15:16 |
| athmane | but we don't yet have f15 ami ids | 15:17 |
| athmane | #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/cloud/2011-July/000670.html | 15:17 |
| athmane | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-07-19_Cloud_SIG_Fedora_EC2 | 15:17 |
| jlaska | To state the obvious, I assume the event cannot proceed until AMI's are available for testing? | 15:17 |
| athmane | yes | 15:18 |
| rbergeron | We have some AMI ID's. | 15:18 |
| rbergeron | They're just not the ones that were recently recently made | 15:18 |
| athmane | I meant the newer ami ids | 15:18 |
| rbergeron | yeah. | 15:18 |
| tflink | the AMIs are up, but I believe that they were going to be tested before the numbers were sent out | 15:18 |
| rbergeron | jforbes: ringring | 15:18 |
| * rbergeron is working on it. I'll pop back in before end of meeting and report progress | 15:19 | |
| * jforbes is looking | 15:19 | |
| adamw | should we delay the event now even if the amis turn up today? | 15:19 |
| adamw | one day isn't too long to get much publicity done | 15:20 |
| athmane | +1 | 15:20 |
| jlaska | move to Thu? | 15:20 |
| j_dulaney | +1 on delay | 15:20 |
| jlaska | or push out 1 week | 15:20 |
| rbergeron | it's up to you guys - it depends on what you think is best, i can't run a test day. :) | 15:20 |
| rbergeron | (well, i could, but you know, disaster and all) | 15:20 |
| jlaska | plenty of breathing room remains in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Fedora_16_test_days | 15:20 |
| j_dulaney | As an aside, it looks like I just booted F16 | 15:20 |
| j_dulaney | Push out a week? | 15:21 |
| jforbes | Yeah, certainly need to deltay | 15:21 |
| rbergeron | jlaska: yeah, the key here is that it's fedora 15, so we're already kind of like way behind. | 15:21 |
| j_dulaney | I'm for that | 15:21 |
| athmane | jlaska: it's for f15 not f16 | 15:21 |
| jforbes | I am looking right now, rel-eng has not uploaded any new images | 15:21 |
| rbergeron | okay. | 15:21 |
| rbergeron | jforbes: let's sort it out and we'll circle back with athmane and tflink to reschedule | 15:22 |
| * athmane wonders who'll be available during f15 on ec2 test day | 15:22 | |
| * rbergeron salutes the QA team for their patience with us and for all their help | 15:22 | |
| * jforbes will be available, whenever it ends up | 15:22 | |
| j_dulaney | athmane: I will be | 15:23 |
| j_dulaney | Well, so much for F16 logging in. It booted, though, which is better than my last try | 15:23 |
| jlaska | athmane: it is ... but that's the test day schedule we need to be looking at for now | 15:23 |
| jlaska | to avoid conflicts | 15:23 |
| tflink | I was hoping to get it done before the F16 test days started | 15:24 |
| * rbergeron nods | 15:24 | |
| jlaska | yeah, that's a good plan | 15:24 |
| jlaska | athmane: any particular date in mind for rescheduling, or will that be discussed after meeting? | 15:25 |
| athmane | jlaska: it's up to cloud sig | 15:25 |
| jlaska | okay | 15:25 |
| jlaska | #info F15 AMI's not yet available, will propose rescheduling test day with Cloud Sig. Stay tuned to cloud@lists.fedoraproject.org | 15:26 |
| jlaska | athmane: anything else you want to highlight on this topic? | 15:26 |
| athmane | no | 15:27 |
| jlaska | athmane: okay, thanks for raising this #topic | 15:27 |
| jlaska | folks can follow the action on cloud@ after the meeting :) | 15:27 |
| jlaska | #topic Open Discussion - <your topic here> | 15:27 |
| jlaska | okay, I had nothing else on the agenda for today ... so it's open-mic time | 15:28 |
| robatino | i was wondering if anyone had any ideas about why the minimum deltaiso size increased in F15 - see http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-May/100322.html | 15:29 |
| jlaska | #chair robatino | 15:29 |
| zodbot | Current chairs: athmane jlaska robatino | 15:29 |
| brunowolff | I haven't heard any updates on the grub issue. | 15:29 |
| jlaska | #topic Minimum Delta-ISO size | 15:29 |
| robatino | i'm pretty sure it has something to do with https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=646843 | 15:29 |
| jlaska | #info robatino asked .. ."if anyone had any ideas about why the minimum deltaiso size increased in F15" | 15:29 |
| jlaska | #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-May/100322.html | 15:29 |
| robatino | images/install.img will no longer exist in F-15 and newer | 15:29 |
| jlaska | brunowolff: that's my next TODO .. I'll nudge that issue after the meeting | 15:29 |
| brunowolff | The 32 bit SMP lockup issue is fixed in Linus' tree, but didn' make it into the kernels built over the weekend. | 15:29 |
| jlaska | robatino: are the images/install.img and the delta iso two different topics, or related? | 15:30 |
| jlaska | robatino: hmm, clumens or wwoods might know more regarding the compression of the delta images | 15:31 |
| robatino | jlaska: it turns out that it has something to do with different netinst images not delta-compressing any more, it must have something to do with the change in the install images | 15:31 |
| jlaska | your instincts could be correct, the install.img may not compress well, since it's already compressed | 15:31 |
| jlaska | but ... | 15:31 |
| robatino | not deltacompressing _well_, i mean - it used to compress by a factor of several, as of F15 it's negligible | 15:31 |
| jlaska | well ... | 15:31 |
| jlaska | the content really hasn't changed much between F15 and previous | 15:31 |
| jlaska | it's just moved from images/install.img into the images/pxeboot/initrd.img | 15:32 |
| jlaska | so maybe something about the initial ramdisk naturally doesn't lend well to re-compression or something? | 15:32 |
| jlaska | </wag> | 15:32 |
| robatino | for example if you run makedeltaiso on 2 successive F14 netinsts, it would be about a factor of 2 or 3 smaller, but not in F15 | 15:32 |
| robatino | quantified in http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-May/100449.html | 15:32 |
| jlaska | #info if you run makedeltaiso on 2 successive F14 netinsts, it would be about a factor of 2 or 3 smaller, but not in F15 | 15:33 |
| jlaska | nice data | 15:33 |
| robatino | not that big a deal, was wondering if there was some trivial way to fix it | 15:33 |
| jlaska | I'm just not very experienced with delta-iso ... we can definitely hit up clumens to work through your thoughts on the install.img if you like | 15:33 |
| robatino | would be nice to get back to a minimum size of 60-70 M instead of about 200 M now | 15:33 |
| jlaska | yeah | 15:34 |
| jlaska | otherwise, defeats the purposed I would think | 15:34 |
| * adamw thought robatino was the expert on deltaiso | 15:34 | |
| adamw | no point _you_ asking _us_ for help :P | 15:34 |
| jlaska | he is! | 15:34 |
| jlaska | I believe robatino is known in some circles as, "Mr. Delta ISO" | 15:34 |
| robatino | no, i don't really know the internals, jdieter is the expert | 15:34 |
| robatino | it's just very easy to use which is why i can do it | 15:34 |
| jlaska | did he have any thoughts on this? | 15:35 |
| robatino | haven't asked yet, he's been away, i could email anyway | 15:35 |
| jlaska | s/ [s]he / | 15:35 |
| jlaska | okay | 15:35 |
| jlaska | well, lemme know if I can help chase down the install.img angle with you | 15:35 |
| jlaska | otherwise, we'll stay tuned :) | 15:35 |
| jlaska | #topic Open Discussion - <your topic here> | 15:35 |
| brunowolff | Deltaiso might need to get special knowledge of the initrd so it can uncompress another level deep before doing comparisons. | 15:36 |
| athmane | ovirt spin | 15:36 |
| jlaska | #topic oVirt Node Fedora 16 Spin | 15:36 |
| jlaska | #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-July/101362.html | 15:36 |
| jlaska | athmane: thanks :) | 15:37 |
| athmane | I can help with that | 15:37 |
| jlaska | so, I'm providing guidance to Joey so that they follow a similar model that athmane setup ... that seems like the best approach to me, and works with our existing process | 15:37 |
| athmane | I asked for kickstart and applications list | 15:37 |
| jlaska | #info There is a link of "applications"/ tests on the SPIN wiki at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ovirt_Node_Spin#Scope_.2F_Testing | 15:37 |
| jlaska | I don't know if that's explicitly the info you are looking for | 15:38 |
| jlaska | imo, this seems to fit well with the matrix model we've been using so far ... so unless any other ideas surface, I'll likely keep messaging that route | 15:38 |
| athmane | well I'll look after the meeting | 15:39 |
| jlaska | athmane: maybe copy the security SPIN matrix you created with some stubs for the oVirt needs to provide some visualization of what we're talking about? | 15:39 |
| jlaska | athmane: okay | 15:39 |
| jlaska | #info Athmane + jlaska will continue discussing options post-meeting | 15:39 |
| jlaska | #topic Open Discussion - <your topic here> | 15:39 |
| jlaska | okay ... last call for topics | 15:39 |
| athmane | is it approved by rel-eng | 15:40 |
| jlaska | okay ... if nothing else ... we'll #endmeeting in 2 minutes | 15:42 |
| jlaska | will #endmeeting in 1 minute ... | 15:43 |
| jlaska | Well ... before ending, I could touch on the last topic ... | 15:44 |
| jlaska | #topic Next meeting ... | 15:44 |
| jlaska | #info Monday @ 15:00 UTC, July 25 2011 | 15:44 |
| jlaska | Is anyone interested in #chairing the meeting? | 15:44 |
| jlaska | If not ... you're stuck with me continuing to nag for topics :) | 15:44 |
| jlaska | #info jlaska will #chair the meeting next week | 15:45 |
| jlaska | alrighty ...thanks everything | 15:45 |
| jlaska | *and everyone :) | 15:45 |
| jlaska | #endmeeting | 15:45 |
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