QA/Meetings/20110718

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Attendees

People present (lines said):

  • jlaska (116)
  • athmane (23)
  • j_dulaney (16)
  • robatino (13)
  • adamw (12)
  • rbergeron (12)
  • tflink (5)
  • brunowolff (5)
  • zodbot (5)
  • jforbes (4)
  • jskladan (2)
  • kparal (2)
  • vhumpa (1)
  • mkrizek (1)
  • Viking-Ice (1)
  • jsmith (1)
  • pschindl (1)

Unable to attend:

  1. Rhe (hopefully sleeping)
  2. Hongqing (hopefully sleeping)
  3. wutao85 (hopefully sleeping)

Agenda

Previous meeting follow-up

  1. j_dulaney will check-in with desktop team for guidance on s-c-* -- thank you j_dulaney!!! (jlaska, 15:04:33)
  2. jlaska will announce F16 Alpha blocker review meeting on Wednesday
    • ACTION: jlaska - announce F16-Alpha-Blocker meeting #2
  3. rbergeron will reach out to cloud-sig for a last call on test case ideas

Cloud SIG - Fedora 15 on Amazon EC2

  1. Fedora 15 on Amazon EC2 test day is scheduled this TUESDAY (2011-07-19)
  2. Athmane has copied the draft page and categorized it: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-07-19_Cloud_SIG_Fedora_EC2
  3. TODO: Athmane is waiting for Fedora 15 AMI ID to update the wiki page.
  4. Cloud SIG Meeting Minutes - 2011-07-15: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/cloud/2011-July/000670.html
  5. F15 AMI's not yet available, will propose rescheduling test day with Cloud Sig. Stay tuned to cloud@lists.fedoraproject.org

Next meeting

  • Monday @ 15:00 UTC, July 25 2011
  • jlaska will #chair the meeting next week

Open Discussion - <your topic here>

Minimum Delta-ISO size

  • robatino asked .. ."if anyone had any ideas about why the minimum deltaiso size increased in F15"
  • LINK: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-May/100322.html
  • if you run makedeltaiso on 2 successive F14 netinsts, it would be about a factor of 2 or 3 smaller, but not in F15
  • robatino will discuss with jdieter to help further isolate the problem.

oVirt Node Fedora 16 Spin

Action Items

  • j_dulaney volunteered to file bugs against s-c-* packages to recommend patching their .desktop file to avoid application name collisions (NotShowIn=...)
  • jlaska - announce F16-Alpha-Blocker meeting #2

IRC Log

jlaska #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting 15:00
zodbot Meeting started Mon Jul 18 15:00:43 2011 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00
zodbot Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00
jlaska #meetingname fedora-qa 15:00
zodbot The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' 15:00
jlaska #topic Roll Call 15:00
* mkrizek here 15:00
jlaska Hi mkrizek 15:01
* tflink present 15:01
* athmane here 15:01
* robatino here 15:01
* jlaska tips hat to tflink, athmane and robatino 15:01
* kparal joined 15:01
jlaska ahoj kparal! 15:02
* jskladan lurks 15:02
* j_dulaney waves 15:02
kparal ahoj vespolek :) 15:02
* pschindl is here 15:02
jlaska hello j.* :) 15:02
* jsmith lurks 15:02
jlaska zodbot needs a .translate feature :) 15:02
jskladan  :) 15:03
jlaska alright ... anyone we're missing 15:03
jlaska Viking-Ice, adamw, me? 15:03
jlaska let's get started, and hopefully they'll join in if needed+available 15:03
* j_dulaney notes that some little boy knocks over a chair and immediately states that it wasn't his fault is a commentary on the sad state of responsibility 15:04
jlaska thanks to athmane for the topic ... so far only two planned agenda items, so this _might_ be quick 15:04
* Viking-Ice sneaks in.. 15:04
jlaska #topic Previous meeting follow-up 15:04
jlaska #info j_dulaney will check-in with desktop team for guidance on s-c-* -- thank you j_dulaney!!! 15:04
j_dulaney Yo 15:04
jlaska I haven't checked in on desktop@ yet ... not sure if there was any movement on the s-c-* front 15:04
j_dulaney Their response was that it isn't their area 15:05
adamw yo 15:05
jlaska looks like bastien notes they aren't owned by desktop@ and wondered if bugs have been filed yet? 15:05
jlaska #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2011-July/007342.html 15:05
jlaska adamw: heyo 15:05
* brunowolff is here, but was in another window and time slipped by. 15:05
adamw jlaska: yeah, that's right. 15:06
jlaska welcome brunowolff, no worries 15:06
jlaska so what's next then ... file bugs for each of these with a recommended change? 15:06
adamw sure 15:06
* j_dulaney shall take care of that 15:07
adamw yay 15:07
jlaska and the recommended fix for each of those is to include a patched .desktop file that has "NotInDesktop=..." ? 15:07
* jlaska forgets the exact syntax 15:07
adamw basically, yeah. 15:08
adamw NotShowIn, I think. 15:08
jlaska thx 15:08
jlaska do we expect these bz's to be well received ... or will the WTF flags be flying high after filing these? 15:08
j_dulaney Who knows? 15:08
jlaska one way to find out, right! :D 15:08
jlaska j_dulaney: thanks for volunteering, please do shout if you want some help filing or pulling together info for the bugs 15:09
brunowolff A note about why the request is being made in the bug reports will probably help there. 15:09
jlaska good point 15:09
adamw i doubt there'd be much of a problem 15:09
jlaska are we filing against all s-c-* packages, or only a subset at first? 15:09
j_dulaney Indeed 15:10
jlaska #action j_dulaney volunteered to file bugs against s-c-* packages to recommend patching their .desktop file to avoid application name collisions (NotShowIn=...) 15:10
j_dulaney Maybe all, with a blocker bug? 15:10
adamw only the ones there are equivalents for 15:11
jlaska yeah, the smaller target where we have known naming collisions seems good 15:11
j_dulaney Indeed 15:11
jlaska are those previously listed somewhere for j_dulaney? 15:11
jlaska s-c-keyboard, s-c-date ... ? 15:11
j_dulaney Indeed, I have 'em 15:11
jlaska okay, great 15:11
jlaska thanks j_dulaney! 15:12
jlaska #info jlaska will announce F16 Alpha blocker review meeting on Wednesday 15:12
jlaska this was a really *small* task, but more a reminder that I needed to start sending those out again 15:12
jlaska I'll do it again on Wednesday, unless someone is anxious for the task 15:12
jlaska #action jlaska - announce F16-Alpha-Blocker meeting #2 15:12
jlaska #info rbergeron will reach out to cloud-sig for a last call on test case ideas 15:12
jlaska athmane and tflink, you two have been tracking this ... do you know where this stands? 15:13
* athmane is waiting for ami ids 15:13
tflink same here 15:13
athmane test cases are ok 15:13
athmane #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-07-19_Cloud_SIG_Fedora_EC2 15:13
tflink planning to send out an announcement later today 15:14
jlaska oh, this is really related to the test day topic then? 15:14
jlaska I'll move on and we can discuss that in more detail shortly ... 15:14
jlaska #info athmane volunteered to update update release validation SOP to include new Security SPIN test matrix 15:14
athmane yes 15:14
jlaska athmane: thank you for updating the wiki's ... and adamw for announcing the changes 15:14
jlaska #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-July/101284.html 15:14
athmane me and adamw updated SOP 15:14
jlaska I think we can close that out 15:15
* vhumpa is awfully late for his portion of lurking 15:15
jlaska vhumpa: welcome lurker! :D 15:15
jlaska okay, on to athmane's topic 15:15
jlaska #topic Cloud SIG - Fedora 15 on Amazon EC2 15:15
jlaska #chair athmane 15:15
zodbot Current chairs: athmane jlaska 15:15
jlaska athmane: feel free to take it away ... otherwise I'll just meetbot the commands you included in the agenda 15:15
athmane ok 15:16
athmane in the last cloud sig we agreed that tomorrow will be the test day 15:16
athmane but we don't yet have f15 ami ids 15:17
athmane #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/cloud/2011-July/000670.html 15:17
athmane #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-07-19_Cloud_SIG_Fedora_EC2 15:17
jlaska To state the obvious, I assume the event cannot proceed until AMI's are available for testing? 15:17
athmane yes 15:18
rbergeron We have some AMI ID's. 15:18
rbergeron They're just not the ones that were recently recently made 15:18
athmane I meant the newer ami ids 15:18
rbergeron yeah. 15:18
tflink the AMIs are up, but I believe that they were going to be tested before the numbers were sent out 15:18
rbergeron jforbes: ringring 15:18
* rbergeron is working on it. I'll pop back in before end of meeting and report progress 15:19
* jforbes is looking 15:19
adamw should we delay the event now even if the amis turn up today? 15:19
adamw one day isn't too long to get much publicity done 15:20
athmane +1 15:20
jlaska move to Thu? 15:20
j_dulaney +1 on delay 15:20
jlaska or push out 1 week 15:20
rbergeron it's up to you guys - it depends on what you think is best, i can't run a test day. :) 15:20
rbergeron (well, i could, but you know, disaster and all) 15:20
jlaska plenty of breathing room remains in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Fedora_16_test_days 15:20
j_dulaney As an aside, it looks like I just booted F16 15:20
j_dulaney Push out a week? 15:21
jforbes Yeah, certainly need to deltay 15:21
rbergeron jlaska: yeah, the key here is that it's fedora 15, so we're already kind of like way behind. 15:21
j_dulaney I'm for that 15:21
athmane jlaska: it's for f15 not f16 15:21
jforbes I am looking right now, rel-eng has not uploaded any new images 15:21
rbergeron okay. 15:21
rbergeron jforbes: let's sort it out and we'll circle back with athmane and tflink to reschedule 15:22
* athmane wonders who'll be available during f15 on ec2 test day 15:22
* rbergeron salutes the QA team for their patience with us and for all their help 15:22
* jforbes will be available, whenever it ends up 15:22
j_dulaney athmane: I will be 15:23
j_dulaney Well, so much for F16 logging in. It booted, though, which is better than my last try 15:23
jlaska athmane: it is ... but that's the test day schedule we need to be looking at for now 15:23
jlaska to avoid conflicts 15:23
tflink I was hoping to get it done before the F16 test days started 15:24
* rbergeron nods 15:24
jlaska yeah, that's a good plan 15:24
jlaska athmane: any particular date in mind for rescheduling, or will that be discussed after meeting? 15:25
athmane jlaska: it's up to cloud sig 15:25
jlaska okay 15:25
jlaska #info F15 AMI's not yet available, will propose rescheduling test day with Cloud Sig. Stay tuned to cloud@lists.fedoraproject.org 15:26
jlaska athmane: anything else you want to highlight on this topic? 15:26
athmane no 15:27
jlaska athmane: okay, thanks for raising this #topic 15:27
jlaska folks can follow the action on cloud@ after the meeting :) 15:27
jlaska #topic Open Discussion - <your topic here> 15:27
jlaska okay, I had nothing else on the agenda for today ... so it's open-mic time 15:28
robatino i was wondering if anyone had any ideas about why the minimum deltaiso size increased in F15 - see http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-May/100322.html 15:29
jlaska #chair robatino 15:29
zodbot Current chairs: athmane jlaska robatino 15:29
brunowolff I haven't heard any updates on the grub issue. 15:29
jlaska #topic Minimum Delta-ISO size 15:29
robatino i'm pretty sure it has something to do with https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=646843 15:29
jlaska #info robatino asked .. ."if anyone had any ideas about why the minimum deltaiso size increased in F15" 15:29
jlaska #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-May/100322.html 15:29
robatino images/install.img will no longer exist in F-15 and newer 15:29
jlaska brunowolff: that's my next TODO .. I'll nudge that issue after the meeting 15:29
brunowolff The 32 bit SMP lockup issue is fixed in Linus' tree, but didn' make it into the kernels built over the weekend. 15:29
jlaska robatino: are the images/install.img and the delta iso two different topics, or related? 15:30
jlaska robatino: hmm, clumens or wwoods might know more regarding the compression of the delta images 15:31
robatino jlaska: it turns out that it has something to do with different netinst images not delta-compressing any more, it must have something to do with the change in the install images 15:31
jlaska your instincts could be correct, the install.img may not compress well, since it's already compressed 15:31
jlaska but ... 15:31
robatino not deltacompressing _well_, i mean - it used to compress by a factor of several, as of F15 it's negligible 15:31
jlaska well ... 15:31
jlaska the content really hasn't changed much between F15 and previous 15:31
jlaska it's just moved from images/install.img into the images/pxeboot/initrd.img 15:32
jlaska so maybe something about the initial ramdisk naturally doesn't lend well to re-compression or something? 15:32
jlaska </wag> 15:32
robatino for example if you run makedeltaiso on 2 successive F14 netinsts, it would be about a factor of 2 or 3 smaller, but not in F15 15:32
robatino quantified in http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-May/100449.html 15:32
jlaska #info if you run makedeltaiso on 2 successive F14 netinsts, it would be about a factor of 2 or 3 smaller, but not in F15 15:33
jlaska nice data 15:33
robatino not that big a deal, was wondering if there was some trivial way to fix it 15:33
jlaska I'm just not very experienced with delta-iso ... we can definitely hit up clumens to work through your thoughts on the install.img if you like 15:33
robatino would be nice to get back to a minimum size of 60-70 M instead of about 200 M now 15:33
jlaska yeah 15:34
jlaska otherwise, defeats the purposed I would think 15:34
* adamw thought robatino was the expert on deltaiso 15:34
adamw no point _you_ asking _us_ for help :P 15:34
jlaska he is! 15:34
jlaska I believe robatino is known in some circles as, "Mr. Delta ISO" 15:34
robatino no, i don't really know the internals, jdieter is the expert 15:34
robatino it's just very easy to use which is why i can do it 15:34
jlaska did he have any thoughts on this? 15:35
robatino haven't asked yet, he's been away, i could email anyway 15:35
jlaska s/ [s]he / 15:35
jlaska okay 15:35
jlaska well, lemme know if I can help chase down the install.img angle with you 15:35
jlaska otherwise, we'll stay tuned :) 15:35
jlaska #topic Open Discussion - <your topic here> 15:35
brunowolff Deltaiso might need to get special knowledge of the initrd so it can uncompress another level deep before doing comparisons. 15:36
athmane ovirt spin 15:36
jlaska #topic oVirt Node Fedora 16 Spin 15:36
jlaska #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-July/101362.html 15:36
jlaska athmane: thanks :) 15:37
athmane I can help with that 15:37
jlaska so, I'm providing guidance to Joey so that they follow a similar model that athmane setup ... that seems like the best approach to me, and works with our existing process 15:37
athmane I asked for kickstart and applications list 15:37
jlaska #info There is a link of "applications"/ tests on the SPIN wiki at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ovirt_Node_Spin#Scope_.2F_Testing 15:37
jlaska I don't know if that's explicitly the info you are looking for 15:38
jlaska imo, this seems to fit well with the matrix model we've been using so far ... so unless any other ideas surface, I'll likely keep messaging that route 15:38
athmane well I'll look after the meeting 15:39
jlaska athmane: maybe copy the security SPIN matrix you created with some stubs for the oVirt needs to provide some visualization of what we're talking about? 15:39
jlaska athmane: okay 15:39
jlaska #info Athmane + jlaska will continue discussing options post-meeting 15:39
jlaska #topic Open Discussion - <your topic here> 15:39
jlaska okay ... last call for topics 15:39
athmane is it approved by rel-eng 15:40
jlaska okay ... if nothing else ... we'll #endmeeting in 2 minutes 15:42
jlaska will #endmeeting in 1 minute ... 15:43
jlaska Well ... before ending, I could touch on the last topic ... 15:44
jlaska #topic Next meeting ... 15:44
jlaska #info Monday @ 15:00 UTC, July 25 2011 15:44
jlaska Is anyone interested in #chairing the meeting? 15:44
jlaska If not ... you're stuck with me continuing to nag for topics :) 15:44
jlaska #info jlaska will #chair the meeting next week 15:45
jlaska alrighty ...thanks everything 15:45
jlaska *and everyone :) 15:45
jlaska #endmeeting 15:45

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