| jlaska
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#startmeeting fedora-qa-meeting
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Meeting started Mon Aug 1 15:10:57 2011 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
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| jlaska
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#meetingname fedora-qa-meeting
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The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa-meeting'
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| jlaska
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#topic Roll Call
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| * kparal present
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| * tflink present
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| * mkrizek is present
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| * j_dulaney waves from his flying unicorn
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| jlaska
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okay, raise your hand if you are here ... don't raise it if not here
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| * athmane is here
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| * robatino present
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| * pschindl is here
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| * jsmith lurks
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| * mbouffard here
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| jlaska
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Hello all, thanks for your patience waiting for #startmeeting
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| jlaska
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who are we missing?
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| jlaska
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Viking-Ice, jskladan?
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| jlaska
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iirc, adamw may be off today (public holiday)
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| * jskladan is here
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| jlaska
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hey there
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| jlaska
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okay, let's get started ... we have a light agenda so far, so this _may_ be quick
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| jlaska
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#topic Previous meeting follow-up
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| jlaska
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#info j_dulaney - Filing bugs for s-c-* desktop application duplicate names
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| jlaska
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j_dulaney: does this still need to be completed, are we still tracking this change?
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| j_dulaney
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Bug 727204
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15:14
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| j_dulaney
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.Bug 727204
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| j_dulaney
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Or was it
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| j_dulaney
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@Bug 727204
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| j_dulaney
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There we go
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| jlaska
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are all the affected packages owned by the same maintainer?
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| j_dulaney
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I believe so
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| jlaska
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sorry if we already discussed, my memory is fuzzy on this ... did we already decide which s-c-* packages needed changes?
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15:15
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| * jlaska just making sure that nphilipp knows how to proceed with this bug report
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| nphilipp
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jlaska, j_dulaney: This would all be really easy if using Name and GenericName is supported in Gnome now. Is it?
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| jlaska
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hey nphilipp!
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| nphilipp
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jlaska: Found you!
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| nphilipp
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jlaska: was on vacation until the WE
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| j_dulaney
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nphilipp: I think so, yes
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| jlaska
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nphilipp: good question, I'm afraid I don't know ... if we don't have an answer in meeting here, perhaps that's worth a note to desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org
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| jlaska
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#info nphilipp asked whether Name and GenericName is now supported in GNOME. j_dulaney indicated it is now supported.
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| nphilipp
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the reason why these tools have generic names as names is because desktop wanted it this way back in the days. I can easily rename them back if that's what's wanted, and use the GenericName tag for the generic names.
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| j_dulaney
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That may be the easiest way to handle this
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| jlaska
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nphilipp: I'm not closely following this issue, but that seems like a good plan (and perhaps worth a heads up on desktop@ to avoid any surprises)
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pong
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| jlaska
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moving on for now...
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| jlaska
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#info F15 EC2 images - tflink to confirm with rel-eng to see if 8/1 is a reasonable deadline
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| jlaska
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tflink and athmane have been most active in this area, anything either of you wanted to highlight?
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| nphilipp
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jlaska, j_dulaney: well, according to https://live.gnome.org/GnomeGoals/CorrectDesktopFiles I should be fine with just doing what we discussed above.
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| jlaska
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nphilipp: perfect!
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| tflink
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the cloud sig decided to move forward with the F15 EC2 test day on 8/4 with the BG created AMIs
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| athmane
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#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-08-04_Cloud_SIG_Fedora_EC2
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| jlaska
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#info the cloud sig decided to move forward with the F15 EC2 test day on 8/4 with the BG created AMIs
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| tflink
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hopefully, we'll have koji-created AMIs for F16
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| j_dulaney
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Sweet
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| nphilipp
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jlaska: just checking, this is meant for F-15 onward?
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15:21
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| nphilipp
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j_dulaney: ^^
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| tflink
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I'll be sending out announcements for the test day today or tomorrow
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| jlaska
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nphilipp: certainly F16, I'm not clear on whether this is appropriate for f15
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| jlaska
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tflink: athmane: excellent, thanks for the updates
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| zodbot
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j_dulaney: Bug 727204 Make system-config-* progs that have naming conflicts with other packages not show up in Gnome - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=727204
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| jlaska
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#info athmane to continue work on Ovirt Node validation testing and matrix; next meeting review if the spin makes the freeze deadline
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| jlaska
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I believe this was ACK'd in last weeks meeting?
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| athmane
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Ovirt not yet approved by SPIN SIG
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| athmane
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#link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fedora-spins/2011-July/002036.html
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| athmane
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#link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fedora-spins/2011-July/002037.html
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| jlaska
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#info athmane informed the group that Ovirt is not yet approved by SPIN SIG
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| jlaska
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looks like some debate on the extent/scope of spin-kickstart changes allowed
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| jlaska
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thanks for the links athmane
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| j_dulaney
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So, the question now becomes will it be since Freeze has passed?
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| j_dulaney
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And, if not, need we support official testing?
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| jlaska
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no, either way
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| athmane
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maybe grant an exception
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| jlaska
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the SPIN is responsible for ensuring their spins are tested
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| j_dulaney
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jlaksa: Indeed
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| jlaska
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of course, we lend time in helping them structure the testing and doing it in a way consistent with our other plans
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| jlaska
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(thanks to athmane)
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| jlaska
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okay, the only other item I had here was for announcing the blocker meeting last week ... thanks to tflink for that
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| jlaska
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#topic Cloud SIG - Fedora 15 on Amazon EC2
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| jlaska
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Sounds like we may have updates on this topic already
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| jlaska
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but let's do a quick re-hash for the logs
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| jlaska
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#info the cloud sig decided to move forward with the F15 EC2 test day on 8/4 with the BG created AMIs
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| jlaska
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#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-08-04_Cloud_SIG_Fedora_EC2
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| jlaska
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#action tflink - send Cloud SIG test day announcements
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| jlaska
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anything else to discuss on this topic?
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| tflink
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I don't think so
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| jlaska
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alrighty ...
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| athmane
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nothing I guess, everything was at cloud sig meeting
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| jlaska
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thanks for the updates gentlemen
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| jlaska
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#topic F16 Alpha status
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| jlaska
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#link http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-quality-tasks.html
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| jlaska
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There has been no Alpha TC1 compose as of yet
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| j_dulaney
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When can one be expected?
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| jlaska
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if you want to follow the action, you can monitor the rel-eng ticket for TC1 compose progress - https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/4844
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| jlaska
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j_dulaney: I have no ETA from rel-eng
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| jlaska
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Based no feedback from the blocker meeting, I suspect once we have resolution on two deps problems ... the compose should move forward
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| jlaska
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on of the issues is already in MODIFIED (gnome-python2-bonobo)
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| jlaska
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.bug 726743
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| zodbot
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jlaska: Bug 726743 gnome-python2-bonobo has missing deps - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=726743
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| jlaska
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#info the other compose blocking bug (726744), with help from halfline, may simply involve unblocking a package to allow the compose to proceed
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| jlaska
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so I think we're just waiting on feedback from halfline's comment ... as far as I know
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| jlaska
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#info Since TC1 was expected last Tuesday, and RC1 is expected this Thursday ... if history is any indicator, I expect we'll likely slip the Alpha release due to late discovery of ALpha blockers, or insufficient test feedback in time for the go/no_go
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| jlaska
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it's entirely possible I'm overly skeptical, and when we do get a compose, things will "just work"
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| jsmith
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Anything is possible -- it's just software :-p
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| jlaska
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:)
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| jlaska
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There are not a lot of changes to the blocker lists today - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers
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15:32
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| jlaska
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so that's the extent of my knowledge about the Alpha
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| jlaska
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anyone have other updates to share?
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| j_dulaney
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I almost wonder if an extra week for Alpha should be added, since we slip by that much anyway
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15:32
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| j_dulaney
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But that's not for here
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| jlaska
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j_dulaney: it's a fair question, I've included this challenge in the QA retrospective for 2 releases now
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| jlaska
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after discussion of RATs and the TC1 milestone, it sounds like adamw has an proposal brewing for adding additional TC milestones earlier in the cycle
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15:34
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| jlaska
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but more on that from our favorite Canadian after the break
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| j_dulaney
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In this case, the bugs are ones that don't seem to be easily found by just running test composes since they block the compose process
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| jlaska
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right
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| jlaska
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#topic Upcoming QA events
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| jlaska
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Just a quick schedule reminder ...
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| jlaska
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#info 2011-07-21 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #3 - images available, testing in progress by twu
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| jlaska
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#info 2011-07-26 - Test Alpha 'Test Compose' - DELAYED
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| jlaska
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#info 2011-08-04 - Test Alpha Candidate Compose
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| jlaska
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#info 2011-08-05 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (f16alpha) #4
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| jlaska
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Unless anyone is eager to announce the blocker meeting this week, I'll be glad to do that
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| jlaska
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#action jlaska - announce blocker review meeting #4
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| jlaska
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#topic Next meeting
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| jlaska
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anyone want to volunteer to #chair this meeting next week?
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| jlaska
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c'mon, not all at once
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| * tflink can do it
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| j_dulaney
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I could do it >if needed<
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| jlaska
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alright tflink ftw!
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| * jlaska anxious to spread it around
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| j_dulaney
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LOL
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| jlaska
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I don't mind doing it at all ... I'm interested in some variety when it comes to meeting style etc...
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| j_dulaney
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Oy
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| jlaska
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tflink: thank you ... gimme a holler if you want to punt back to me in case testing takes up too much time
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| athmane
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I can do it if it was 18:00
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| jlaska
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#info 2011-08-08 - 15:00 UTC - tflink volunteered to #chair
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| jlaska
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thanks tflink!
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| tflink
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jlaska: ok, shouldn't be a problem
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| jlaska
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#topic Open Discussion - <your topic here>
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| jlaska
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okay, I promised a brief agenda
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| jlaska
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any #topics folks would like to raise?
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| jlaska
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#topic Open discussion - AutoQA staging hardware
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| jlaska
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tflink: you were asking me before the meeting about qa08.qa.fedoraproject.org hardware status
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| tflink
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yep
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| jlaska
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the last update I have was to check back in on Tuesday
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| jlaska
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iirc, nirik has a support ticket opened up
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| nirik
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jlaska: yeah, sorry for delay. will try and find something out.
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| jlaska
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and smooge may be visiting the colo, or opening up a can of whoop_ss to figure that out, on Tuesday?
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| jlaska
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nirik: no worries, I'm just hoping it's not a hardware problem ... since we've yet to use that system
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| jlaska
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boooo! I say to that :)
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| tflink
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well, at least we're not depending on that system yet :)
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| jlaska
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right
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| jlaska
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so when that system is available ... do we have a plan to proceed yet
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| nirik
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yeah, not sure what it's issue is. ;( We will get it fixed up.
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| j_dulaney
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Where is it physically located?
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| tflink
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phx, I assume
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| jlaska
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or should I just set it up to run autoqa straight from master?
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| * nirik nods. phx datacenter
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| j_dulaney
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Indeed
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| tflink
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I have some ideas but haven't finished writing up a proposal yet
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| jlaska
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tflink: okay
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| tflink
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it would probably be good to just testing 0.6.0 on it for now
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| jlaska
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#info Support ticket opened, nirik will continue investigating
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| jlaska
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tflink: testing it manually, or packages I build into the -testing repos?
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| tflink
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either way is fine with me
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| jlaska
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okay, we can figure that out later then
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| jlaska
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#topic Open Discussion - <your topic here>
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| j_dulaney
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We should have the mockup infranstructure ready to go shortly
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| jlaska
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any other items to cover today?
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| j_dulaney
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Magical ponies?
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| jlaska
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heh, are those back on the agenda?
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| tflink
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j_dulaney: I didn't know you did much with Django :)
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| jlaska
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okay, if nothing, I'll #endmeeting in 2 minutes
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| j_dulaney
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Lulz
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15:46
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| jlaska
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1 minute until #endmeeting
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| jlaska
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kparal: nothing from Brno today? you guys must be busy getting this next release out :)
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15:46
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| kparal
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I don't think we have any good update
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15:47
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| kparal
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just finishing tickets
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15:47
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| jlaska
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alright folks ... that's it for today
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| jlaska
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I'll follow-up with minutes to the list
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| jlaska
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thanks for your time!
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| jlaska
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#endmeeting
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