| adamw
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#startmeeting Fedora QA meeting
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Meeting started Mon Jan 30 16:01:09 2012 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
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| adamw
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#meetingname fedora-qa
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The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'
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| adamw
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#topic roll call
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16:01
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| * kparal is here
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16:01
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| adamw
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hands up if you're not here!
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16:01
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| * tflink is present
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16:01
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| * tflink raises his hand, too :)
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16:01
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| * jskladan still here
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16:01
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| haraldh
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<-
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16:01
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| * mkrizek here
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16:01
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| * pschindl is here
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16:01
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| kay
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\o
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16:02
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| adamw
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wow, full house
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16:02
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| haraldh
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no hands, no chocolate
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16:02
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| adamw
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hi kay
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16:02
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| * Cerlyn is here
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16:02
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| adamw
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#topic previous meeting follow-up
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16:02
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| brunowolff
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I'll watch for a bit, but need to go to a meeting in about 25 minutes.
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16:02
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| adamw
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so, we don't actually have any action items from last week, but we DO have ones from the previous week which didn't get done
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16:03
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| adamw
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#info adamw to file trac ticket(s) for getting arm into the criteria / validation process somehow: now done, see https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/277
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16:03
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| adamw
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#info adamw to co-ordinate with bcl on making sure all important old-UI bugs discovered in F16 validation get fixed in the old UI for F17: i've made some progress on that, still need to do some more digging
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16:04
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| adamw
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#info adamw to get a discussion going with pjones/kparal/hongqing/robatino to decide how we want to use pjones' el torito boot checker: also done, we have a thread going
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16:04
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| adamw
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tflink: you have "tflink to contact lmacken re co-ordination between bodhi 2.0 and autoqa", any news on that?
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16:05
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| pjones
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We do?
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16:05
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| tflink
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didn't need to, backwards compatibility is planned - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bodhi/2.0#Well_tested_and_well_documented_RESTful_API
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16:05
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| tflink
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unless I misunderstood the purpose of contacting him
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16:06
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| adamw
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pjones: yeah, "Using pjones' El Torito checker in QA"
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16:06
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| adamw
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tflink: i believe that was the purpose, yeah, so that's probably okay
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16:07
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| pjones
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adamw: I haven't seen anybody say anything in like 6 days...
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16:07
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| adamw
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tflink: oh, or was there also an angle of 'what does autoqa need in the new bodhi'?
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16:07
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| adamw
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pjones: hey, the action item was to start the thread, the thread's started. i've been meaning to reply to it again
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16:07
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| pjones
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okay.
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16:07
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| tflink
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adamw: that's what I wasn't sure of but to be honest, I'm not sure there is a whole lot of point to that conversation until bodhi 2.0 is closer to release
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16:07
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| kparal
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pjones: I hope the chinese will respond once they are back from holidays
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16:07
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| kparal
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hongqing is the best one to talk to here
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16:08
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| adamw
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oh, yeah, that's a point - hongqing and twu are out till early feb, chinese new year.
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16:08
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| adamw
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okay, we have a packed agenda, so moving on
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16:08
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| adamw
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#info tflink to contact lmacken re co-ordination between bodhi 2.0 and autoqa: bodhi 2.0 is listed as having backwards compatibility, so autoqa should continue to work
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16:09
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| adamw
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#topic Fedora 17 status
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16:09
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| adamw
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kparal: did you get anywhere with the second rats image?
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16:09
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| kparal
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adamw: it's in your mailbox
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16:10
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| kparal
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basically
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16:10
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| kparal
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DVD images do not boot:
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| kparal
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http://i.imgur.com/tlEzi.png
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| kparal
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netinst images boot and install just fine
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16:10
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| kparal
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direct kernel boot fails
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| kparal
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and the same happens for rats_install test
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16:10
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| kparal
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[ 5.636733] dracut: FATAL: No or empty root= argument
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16:11
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| kparal
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[ 5.637992] dracut: Refusing to continue
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16:11
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| adamw
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that looks like an image/dracut bug, not a rats bug>
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16:11
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| adamw
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?
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16:11
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| kparal
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yes
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| haraldh
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kparal, "no or empty root=" is not a dracut bug
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| kparal
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what's the problem in there?
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16:11
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| kparal
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if was not required for f16
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16:11
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| haraldh
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no "root=..." is specified on the kernel command line
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16:11
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| haraldh
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check grub.conf
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16:12
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| haraldh
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or syslinux.cfg
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| haraldh
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or whatever bootloader you are using
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16:12
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| adamw
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hi john
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16:12
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| kparal
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I used this command
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| kparal
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virt-install --name Foo --ram 1024 --disk /dev/vg/Foo,size=10 --location http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20120127/Fedora/i386/os/ --arch=i386 --extra-args "console=ttyS0 serial lang=en keymap=us ksdevice=link ks=http://kparal.usersys.redhat.com:8000/f16-minimal.ks ip=dhcp ipv6=auto vnc" --nographics
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16:12
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| j_dulaney
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Sorry I'm late, class ran over
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16:12
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| kparal
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I don't understand why should I specify 'root=...'
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16:13
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| haraldh
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kparal, well, well
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16:14
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| kparal
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we can discuss post-meeting. anyway this is the current situation for rats_install
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16:14
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| kparal
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we can fix it if it is our issue
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16:14
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| haraldh
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I don't know what virt-install does.. sorry...
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16:15
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| kparal
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or report bug in virt-install
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16:15
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| adamw
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#info manual install of rats #2 boot.iso works, DVD image does not boot, rats_install run hits a dracut / virt-install issue with boot parameters
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16:15
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| kparal
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because we use that internally inside rats_install
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16:15
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| adamw
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still, we get some useful status info, which is the object of the rats tests
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16:15
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| adamw
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did you file a bug for the dvd install failure to boot?
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| kparal
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not yet
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16:15
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| * j_dulaney notes also the nightly from Friday does not boot
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16:16
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| adamw
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#action kparal to file a bug for the failure of rats #2 DVD image to boot
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16:16
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| adamw
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j_dulaney: the nightly live? hum. similar bug to kparal's?
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16:17
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| adamw
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j_dulaney: http://i.imgur.com/tlEzi.png
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16:17
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| j_dulaney
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adamw: Indeed
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16:18
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| j_dulaney
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What exactly was kparal's bug?
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16:18
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| kparal
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DVD boot produces that output as you see in that image
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16:18
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| j_dulaney
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adamw: +1
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16:19
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| adamw
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okay
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16:19
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| adamw
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so seems like another dracut-ish thing
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16:20
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| j_dulaney
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Let me modify
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16:20
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| j_dulaney
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I get the udev stuff, but it doesn't go any further than that, seems to lock up
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| j_dulaney
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But, the udev error is the same
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| haraldh
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Nightly live seems to boot... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=766955#c30
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16:20
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| * maxamillion is here ... late but here
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| adamw
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haraldh: well, *that* bug was fixed, yeah. if everyone hits what j_dulaney says, this is something new or it's regressed somehow.
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16:22
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| adamw
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but we'll have to check.
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16:22
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| kay
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the udev multipath stuff there is just a warning, nothing else
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16:22
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| maxamillion
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silly $dayjob ... I'll by only half-here because of a conference call I'm on, but I did want to try and partake in the fun :)
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16:23
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| maxamillion
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kay: apologies for missing it, but what udev multipath stuff?
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16:23
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| adamw
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maxamillion: we're looking at boot issues with current f17 images.
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16:23
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| j_dulaney
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kay: If it was but a warning, it should continue to boot, but it doesn't
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16:24
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| kay
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maxamillion: oh, just the warning in the png mentioned above: http://i.imgur.com/tlEzi.png
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16:24
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| adamw
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so it looks like we should ensure a bug gets filed for the rats #2 DVD boot fail, and get a few others to check the latest nightly's bootableness
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16:24
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| adamw
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so if you haven't tried booting a nightly recently - grab one and see what happens
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16:24
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| maxamillion
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kay: ah ok
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16:24
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| * j_dulaney is downloading the newest one
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16:24
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| maxamillion
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adamw: rgr
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16:24
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| adamw
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if that's consistently broken, we'll need another bug
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16:24
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| kay
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j_dulaney: yeah, the warning should not be the reason for any failure
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16:25
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| adamw
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okay, that about covers the status of current isos
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16:25
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| adamw
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kparal: thanks for working on rats
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16:25
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| kparal
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my pleasure
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16:25
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| adamw
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I also mentioned on the agenda "Retrospective tasks still needing action" - i just took a quick look through the list and they're mostly closed or well in progress
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16:25
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| j_dulaney
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kay: The vm goes idle after the udev warning and nothing else happens
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16:25
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| maxamillion
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it would appear the latest nightly job is still open in koji ...
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16:25
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| adamw
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the one that isn't is assigned to hongqing, so hopefully will get worked on after cny
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16:26
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| adamw
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#info retrospective tasks are mostly completed or well-advanced
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16:26
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| adamw
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alright
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16:26
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| adamw
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anything further on f17 status?
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16:26
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| j_dulaney
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maxamillion: I'm downloading the latest completed one
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16:26
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| maxamillion
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j_dulaney: rgr, was just an observation ... I would have thought the compose would be done by now
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16:28
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| kay
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j_dulaney: the warning is just a printf, nothing else: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/hotplug/udev.git;a=commitdiff;h=430959910f1b9b67c2553f5f46c0487b0f8a3a00
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16:28
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| adamw
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#topic /usr move feature and testing
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16:28
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| adamw
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alrighty, thanks to kay for coming along for this bit of the meeting
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16:29
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| adamw
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for anyone who's not aware: one of the big f17 features, moving things from /bin and /lib and so on into /usr , is in the process of landing at present
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16:29
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| kay
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adamw: sure, no problem
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16:29
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| j_dulaney
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kay: Roger
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16:29
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| adamw
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https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove
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16:29
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| j_dulaney
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So, I'm probably hitting something else
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16:30
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| maxamillion
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UsrMove ftw!
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16:30
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| adamw
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right now the builds that implement the changes are available in a rawhide tag, and there's a post on the list (cross-posted to -devel) explaining how to test them
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16:30
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| adamw
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first question, are we worried about the timing of when this is landing, from a qa perspective? there has been some suggestion it should have happened sooner, though nothing in the feature process requires this
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16:30
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| kay
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j_dulaney: but we updated rawhide's udev last night with a fix for sme other lvm issue, maybe it affects the live stuff too ...
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16:30
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| adamw
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personally i'm not hugely worried, we still have considerable time even to alpha tc1. i'm more worried when big things land in the middle of beta.
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16:31
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| adamw
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anyone else have thoughts?
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16:31
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| j_dulaney
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kay: This was from Friday, I'm just now downloading the latest nightly
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16:31
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| tflink
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do we want to wait until we at least have working RATS images before the usrMove stuff lands?
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16:31
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| j_dulaney
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adamw: Hard to test if I don't have any working rawhide
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16:32
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| adamw
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j_dulaney: heh, true.
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16:32
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| * j_dulaney thinks the boot issues really ought to get some attention
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16:32
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| haraldh
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adamw, I think the "sooner" comment was about releng and the rpm issue...
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16:32
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| kparal
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let them merge it asap, right? better sooner than later
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16:32
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| haraldh
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kparal, yes
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16:33
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| adamw
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kparal: in general, so long as it doesn't screw up alpha builds, yes
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16:33
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| maxamillion
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I'm not worried, I've upgraded a virtual and a physical from F16 to rawhide with the change and had no real issue
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16:33
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| adamw
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it does seem like initial tests are good
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16:33
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| j_dulaney
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Hmm, kernel bug in Rawhide
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16:33
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| adamw
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i would like to try and build a boot.iso with the updated packages and make sure it boots/installs
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16:33
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| maxamillion
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adamw: +1
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16:33
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| tflink
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adamw: that would be a minimum in my mind but would work
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16:34
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| adamw
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tflink: do you mind giving that one a shot?
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16:35
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| tflink
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adamw: sure, will do. are there any particular packages that you had in mind?
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16:36
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| j_dulaney
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base, at the least
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16:36
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| adamw
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just build a boot.iso exactly as normal, but use packages from the rawhide tag
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16:36
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| tflink
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oh, you meant for usrMove. good thing I asked
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16:37
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| maxamillion
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adamw: you mean the usrmove tag?
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16:37
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| adamw
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maxamillion: yes
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16:37
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| tflink
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so we're not concerned with getting something pre-usrMove working?
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16:37
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| maxamillion
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adamw: k, just double checking
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16:38
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| adamw
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tflink: according to kparal, rats #2 boot.iso *does* work, in a 'normal' boot
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16:38
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| adamw
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though you may want to build it both ways, just to check the non-usrmove one boots
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16:38
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| tflink
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k, I'll get started on that and will relay results
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16:39
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| adamw
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cool.
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16:39
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| j_dulaney
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tflink: If it *does* boot, can you put it up somewhere?
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16:39
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| adamw
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#action tflink to test building a boot.iso with usrmove builds
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16:39
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| j_dulaney
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tflink: Specifically, the usr move one
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16:40
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| adamw
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okay, so it seems like we have enough results of a rawhide upgrade with the /usr move stuff to be happy that it broadly works
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16:40
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| tflink
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j_dulaney: yeah, I was planning on it
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16:40
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| adamw
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if we can build a boot.iso with the /usr move packages and have it working i think it'd be okay for the changes to be tagged into rawhide at that point
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16:41
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| adamw
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what does everyone else think?
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16:41
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| j_dulaney
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+1
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16:41
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| * nirik notes there's a hold up with rpm on the builders.
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16:41
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| adamw
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oh, goody.
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16:41
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| maxamillion
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nirik: oh?
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16:42
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| nirik
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this feature requires a change to rpm on the builders. rel-eng is not wanting to do that... I guess it will be discussed more in the fesco meeting later this morning.
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16:42
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| haraldh
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yes, we need rpm in the builders to have a guard in filesystem ... to prevent user from shooting themselves in the foot
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16:42
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| adamw
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#agreed testing of rawhide with /usr move packages so far is positive: if we can compose a working / installable boot.iso with /usr move packages, the feature can be tagged into rawhide
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16:42
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| haraldh
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and installing F17 packages on an unconverted FS
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16:43
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| adamw
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okay. that's not a QA issue, though, i don't think, so we can just keep an eye on fesco?
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16:43
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| haraldh
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when we enable the guard in filesystem.spec, the builders rpm has to provide the requirement at runtime
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16:43
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| nirik
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right, just thought I would mention it.
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16:43
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| maxamillion
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nirik: ah
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16:43
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| maxamillion
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nirik: thanks for the info :)
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16:44
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| haraldh
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can FESCO kindly ask dgilmore to do the change to the builders? :-)
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16:44
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| j_dulaney
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LOL
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16:44
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| * kparal notes: DVD.iso boot problem reported as https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=785808
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16:45
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| adamw
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#info issue with boot of rats #2 DVD iso reported as https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=785808
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16:45
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| adamw
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thanks kparal!
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16:45
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| kparal
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one more bug report to come
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16:45
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| adamw
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alright, does anyone have any other concerns when it comes to the /usr move feature?
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16:45
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| adamw
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ahem - *QA related* concerns
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16:46
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| adamw
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filesystem philosophy can stay on the devel list :)
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16:46
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| maxamillion
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nirik: is there a link to a doc somewhere about the changes needed? ... I'd be curious to read up on it a little
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16:46
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| j_dulaney
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adamw: My bug is not related to kparal, after all
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16:46
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| j_dulaney
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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=785801
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16:46
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| j_dulaney
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Turns out to be a Kernel bug
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16:46
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| nirik
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maxamillion: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/690
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16:47
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| adamw
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j_dulaney: cool.
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16:47
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| maxamillion
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nirik: many thanks
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16:47
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| adamw
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okay, moving on
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16:48
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| adamw
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#topic upcoming events
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16:48
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| adamw
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so, TC testing is slated to start tomorrow, we'll have to keep an eye on the /usr move stuff and decide whether to do tc1 with or without it
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16:48
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| adamw
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we'll also need to have the DVD boot bug fixed at least
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16:48
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| kay
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nirik: we just need a patched rpm, that has a guard active, so users can not install some converted f17 packages on f16 systems without converting the filesystem first
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16:49
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| j_dulaney
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kay says that the bug I ran into *might* already be fixed; I'm checking into that
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16:49
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| adamw
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we also have a blocker review meeting coming up on friday, of course
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16:50
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| tflink
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yay! what would we do without blocker meetings?
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16:50
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| kay
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nirik: the rpm patch is in f15,f16,f17 already, and approved for rhel6, but not in rhel6 released atm
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16:50
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| adamw
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nothing much else upcoming this week
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16:50
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| nirik
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kay: yes, I understand the issue. ;)
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16:50
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| kay
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nirik: ok, cool
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16:50
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| adamw
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#topic AutoQA update
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16:50
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| adamw
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kparal: tflink: take the floor!
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16:51
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| adamw
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#chair kparal
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16:51
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| zodbot
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Current chairs: adamw kparal
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16:51
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| adamw
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#chair tflink
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16:51
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| zodbot
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Current chairs: adamw kparal tflink
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16:51
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| kparal
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ok, some updates
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16:51
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| kparal
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mkrizek pushed a patch to make autoqa better retry failed/timed-out connections
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16:52
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| kparal
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e.g. when downloading from koji
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16:52
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| kparal
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I refactored rats_install test and fixed many problems. there is still at least one remaining that I know of
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16:53
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| kparal
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but generally it seems to work (with F16)
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16:53
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| * jskladan yay for better rats :)
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16:53
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| * j_dulaney likes rats
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16:53
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| kparal
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and that's all I know about for the last week
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16:53
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| adamw
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squeee
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16:53
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| maxamillion
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jskladan: so many things about that statement make me chuckle
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16:53
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| adamw
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tflink: anything from your side?
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16:54
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| tflink
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adamw: not really
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16:55
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| adamw
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okie dokie
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16:55
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| adamw
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#info mkrizek pushed a patch to make autoqa better retry failed/timed-out connections
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16:55
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| adamw
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#info kparal refactored rats_install test and fixed many problems
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16:55
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| adamw
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aaaand finally...
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16:55
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| adamw
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#topic open floor
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16:55
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| adamw
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anything else anyone wants to raise? anyone at all?!
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16:55
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| * j_dulaney raises a Beefy Miracle
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16:56
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| robatino
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anyone know why the RATS images are smaller than usual?
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16:56
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| kparal
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#link virt-install boot issue reported as https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=785815
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16:56
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| j_dulaney
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And eats it
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16:56
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| adamw
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robatino: still clueless
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16:56
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| robatino
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i noticed that the libreoffice langpacks are no longer included but that should only account for about half of it
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16:56
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| robatino
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i could upload package lists for F16 and RATS2 if someone wants to go through them
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16:57
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| j_dulaney
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Prior to the blocker meeting, I noticed that the way the KDE folks were tracking their stuff was causing everything KDE related to wind up on the blocker list; I fixed that and let the KDE folks know
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16:58
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| adamw
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you could presumably cut off the version information, sort, and do a diff?
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16:58
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| j_dulaney
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Just throwing that out there
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16:58
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| adamw
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#info f17 images so far are mysteriously smaller than f16, we're not sure of the cause
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16:58
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| kparal
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haraldh: can you please post some of your insight to bug 785815?
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16:58
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| adamw
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j_dulaney: it's normal for KDE to have a blocker bug that blocks the main blocker.
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16:58
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| adamw
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j_dulaney: they don't put all their bugs on there, only ones they actually consider release blocking.
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16:59
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| j_dulaney
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adamw: They had everything in the world in there
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16:59
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| adamw
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oh, kay. maybe they changed something. can you poke me with details? i didn't see this.
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16:59
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| j_dulaney
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Feature requests, everything
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16:59
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| j_dulaney
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adamw: I fixed it and got up with the KDE folks about it
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17:00
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| adamw
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okay
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17:00
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| adamw
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anything else for open floor? or shall we all go back to refreshing penny arcade^H^H^H^^H^H^H^H^H^H^H working?
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17:00
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| * jskladan wants his pirate pig back
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17:01
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| adamw
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i...you...what?
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17:01
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| jskladan
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research on WebOS programming got me here :D http://enyojs.com/samples/piratepig/
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17:02
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| jskladan
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sooo, work & arcades, I say!
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17:02
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| kay
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adamw: you meant okay not kay, right?
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17:02
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| * kay has a name that gets unintentional highlighted some times :)
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17:02
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| adamw
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kay: yeah :)
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17:02
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| twaugh
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Is this where the FESCo meetings are?
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17:03
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| kay
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o, kay :)
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17:03
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| j_dulaney
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jskladan: I don't get it
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17:03
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| adamw
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twaugh: it will be
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17:03
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| j_dulaney
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twaugh: In an hour, I do believe
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17:03
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| twaugh
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Where is the time advertised?
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17:03
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| twaugh
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I'm looking at a page that says 1700 UTC
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17:04
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| adamw
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okay, let's finish this sucker - thanks for coming, everyone
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17:04
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| adamw
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#endmeeting
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