| adamw
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#startmeeting Fedora QA meeting
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Meeting started Mon Feb 27 15:59:58 2012 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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| zodbot
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Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
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15:59
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| adamw
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#meetingname fedora-qa
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16:00
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The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'
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16:00
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| adamw
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#topic roll call
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16:00
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| adamw
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call your rolls, people!
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16:00
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| * nirik is lurking.
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16:00
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| * kparal rolls
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16:00
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| * pschindl is here
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16:00
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| * mkrizek here
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16:00
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| tflink
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ooh, what rolls can we choose from?
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16:00
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| * adamw calls his roll bob
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16:01
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| adamw
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before I eat it.
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16:01
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| * jskladan wantz a roll with goat cheese and beef ham
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16:01
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| tflink
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jskladan: beef ham? Isn't that an oxymoron?
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16:01
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| adamw
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unless...it's a beefy miracle
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16:01
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| tflink
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it all makes sense now ...
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16:02
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| * brunowolff is lurking for the first 1/2 hour, then I have a work meeting.
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16:02
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| * Southern_Gentlem sitting in my rocking chair with rollers (so i can rock and roll)
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16:02
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| adamw
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hey everyone, let's keep talking nonsense about rolls for the first half hour
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16:02
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| tflink
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so we can have an even longer meeting?
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16:02
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| adamw
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and so bruno misses it
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16:03
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| jskladan
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tflink: http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/215780949/Smoked_Beef_Ham.html
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16:03
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| brunowolff
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Thta's better than being fired.
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16:03
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| adamw
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with a name like Delicious Food Industries, how can you go wrong.
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16:03
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| jskladan
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hehe
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16:03
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| brunowolff
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From both work and QA.
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16:04
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| tflink
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jskladan: huh, you learn something new every day
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16:04
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| adamw
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at last! the meeting is useful!
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16:04
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| adamw
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#chair jskladan
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16:04
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| zodbot
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Current chairs: adamw jskladan
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16:04
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| adamw
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.fire adamw
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16:04
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| zodbot
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adamw fires adamw
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16:04
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| adamw
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i'm outta here
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16:04
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| jskladan
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ok, I call anarchy time!
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16:05
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| adamw
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:P
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16:05
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| jskladan
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#topic previous meeting follow up
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16:05
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| adamw
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aaaaaaand you fell right into the bear trap
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16:05
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| adamw
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THERE IS NO PREVIOUS MEETING FOLLOW-UP
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16:06
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| jskladan
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#info adamw is in denial about previous meeting!
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16:06
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| jskladan
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moving on then :)
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16:06
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| adamw
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heheh
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16:06
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| adamw
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we had no action items from last week
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16:06
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| adamw
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so i just left it out
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16:06
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| jskladan
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#topic Fedora 17 Alpha wrap-up and Beta prep
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16:07
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| jskladan
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IIRC F17 was declared gold on Feb 22
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16:07
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| adamw
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soo, we signed off on alpha. i was probably drunk or something.
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16:07
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| adamw
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also, my birthday
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16:07
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| kparal
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that explains being drunk
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16:08
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| tflink
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we signed off on your birthday?
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16:08
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| adamw
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i think so?
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16:08
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| kparal
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you're not sure?
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16:08
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| tflink
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someone is spending a bit too much time with processes
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16:08
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| adamw
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we definitely need to get common bugs done, cos this thing is riddled with them
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16:08
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| j_dulaney
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Sorry I'm late
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16:08
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| j_dulaney
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class ran over
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16:08
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| jskladan
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#chair j_dulaney
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16:08
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| zodbot
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Current chairs: adamw j_dulaney jskladan
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16:08
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| j_dulaney
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What did I miss wrap-up wise?
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16:09
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| adamw
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nothing
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16:09
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| adamw
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so yeah, since we have that kernel slowdown bug, and sound not working, and the installer blowing up if you have any other distro installed...
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16:09
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| tflink
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rolls
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16:09
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| adamw
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i'll start off the common bugs page today, if anyone else wants to throw in some contributions that'd be great.
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16:10
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| brunowolff
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Sound works at least sometimes as I am listening to music on F17 right now.
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16:10
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| j_dulaney
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Sound not working = why I have not upgraded bare metal to F17 yet
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16:10
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| * j_dulaney needs his Bach
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16:10
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| adamw
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j_dulaney: it's incredibly easy to work around, you just cut a bit out of pulseaudio's config or install consolekit.
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16:11
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| adamw
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but explaining that is of course why we need the common bugs page...
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16:11
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| adamw
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we also need to make sure a livecd-tools update gets karma'ed and pushed for f16 and f15 asap
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16:11
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| adamw
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i'll poke bcl about that today
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16:11
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| adamw
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#action adamw to start common bugs page
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16:12
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| j_dulaney
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adamw: Why does pulse still want consolekit in it's config?
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16:12
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| adamw
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#action adamw to poke bcl about livecd-tools updates for fixing bugs writing f17
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16:12
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| brunowolff
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I haven't seen the flood from updates-testing to f17 after goldness. Does releng need to get reminded it's OK for stable updates?
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16:12
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| adamw
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j_dulaney: because no-one thought to take it out of there, and then when we did, we found PA doesn't compile any more, so we coldn't fix it quickly.
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16:12
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| adamw
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brunowolff: probably, good point
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16:12
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| j_dulaney
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Huh
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16:12
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| adamw
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#action brunowolff to ping release engineering about post-freeze update re-opening for f17
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16:13
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| nirik
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brunowolff: I was waiting until dgilmore finished testing the ec2 image
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16:13
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| j_dulaney
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Isn't sound a final criteria?
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16:13
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| nirik
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if thats done we can start anytime.
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16:13
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| adamw
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fastest. action item. ever.
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16:13
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| adamw
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j_dulaney: no, it's a beta one.
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16:13
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| brunowolff
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OK.
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16:13
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| adamw
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j_dulaney: happily, we just released alpha, so no problem. :P
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16:13
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| j_dulaney
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Indeed
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16:13
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| dgilmore
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ec2 still doesnt boot
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16:14
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| dgilmore
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brunowolff: maybe we will get updates in the next couple of days
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16:14
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| dgilmore
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or we will get updates and no ec2 images for alpha
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16:14
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| brunowolff
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Do ec2 images need to be part of the goldness process?
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16:15
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| adamw
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we didn't write that SOP yet, so we don't have a good answer.
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16:15
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| adamw
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there's a 'deliverables' action item zinging around between qa and releng but it hasn't ever got much traction.
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16:15
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| j_dulaney
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dgilmore: Where are ec2 images dumped?
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16:16
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| brunowolff
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Otherwise when you push stuff from testing to stable it goes into a black hole.
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16:16
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| adamw
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#info updates pushes are still not happening because we don't have an ec2 image yet
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16:17
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| brunowolff
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One possible future state would be to use the empty updates repository to hold stuff on its way from testing to stable.
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16:18
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| rbergeron
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all updates??
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16:19
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| adamw
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f17 updates.
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16:19
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| rbergeron
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how do those two depend on each other (sorry, i'm less than brainy here)
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16:19
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| brunowolff
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This would also handle dealing with stable not being rebuilt at the same times as the testing repo.
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16:19
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| adamw
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rbergeron: if we started updates flowing again, what would dgilmore compose the ec2 images from?
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16:19
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| rbergeron
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THIN AIR
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16:19
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| rbergeron
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point taken
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16:20
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| tflink
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that sounds a little hacky and aren't pre-releases configured to use updates, even though its empty?
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16:20
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| j_dulaney
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brunowolff: How difficult would that be to impliment?
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16:20
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| brunowolff
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I am not sure.
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16:20
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| adamw
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tflink: that would be my concern - it's something we could change, but it involves several moving parts.
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16:20
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| rbergeron
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what's the cutoff point for when we just say "sorry charlie" ?
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16:20
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| adamw
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and has consequences up to release time, with the repo configuration question
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16:20
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| adamw
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rbergeron: that depends on how you feel about charlie.
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16:20
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| j_dulaney
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Poor Charlie
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16:20
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| tflink
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he's gone off to the cloud ...
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16:21
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| tflink
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on to a "better" place :)
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16:21
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| j_dulaney
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We also have to worry about PXE
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16:21
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| j_dulaney
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Or is it finally booitng?
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16:21
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| tflink
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j_dulaney: for beta, no?
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16:21
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| j_dulaney
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tflink: I think we skipped it for Alpha
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16:22
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| j_dulaney
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Well, not skipped, per se
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16:22
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| j_dulaney
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But, didn't require it to boot for Alpha
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16:22
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| jskladan
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j_dulaney: it is booting, if you provide correct 'extra parameters', which is something i don't really like, but bcl tries to convince me that it's actually OK https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=787744
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16:22
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| adamw
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right, it's not broken. we can document that.
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16:23
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| j_dulaney
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Okay
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16:23
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| j_dulaney
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Still, a NTH to fix that would be great
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16:24
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| rbergeron
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i don't feel that strongly about charlie. charlie would be nice to have though. /me sighs
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16:24
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| adamw
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i think it already is fixed, just didn't make alpha.
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16:24
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| j_dulaney
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adamw: PXE?
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16:25
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| adamw
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rbergeron: seriously, i dunno the answer to that. isn't it more, er, your department? with either your current hat or your previous one? :)
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16:25
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| adamw
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j_dulaney: the need for a kernel= parameter in certain boot types in general
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16:25
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| adamw
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i remember seeing some chat in #anaconda to the effect that it's fixed
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16:25
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| j_dulaney
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adamw: Ah
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16:26
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| rbergeron
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ec2 shouldn't be a blocker. not when we don't have criteria, or testing beforehand
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16:27
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| j_dulaney
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+1
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16:27
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| rbergeron
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that said: since we aren't discovering this until the time when we need to post it, we should maybe start considering actually doing a test-compose-to-upload-to-ec2 in the future
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16:27
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| rbergeron
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so that if that process is broken we don't find out ... in this meeting the day before release
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16:27
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| adamw
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rbergeron: i don't see it as something which should have a criterion - we don't have a 'criterion' that the live image should work, a 'criterion' that the dvd image should work, etc
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16:28
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| brunowolff
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Time to get fired from QA so I don't get fired from my paying job. See you next week.
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16:28
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| adamw
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the deliverables aren't specified in the criteria, we should have probably a releng sop for them
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16:28
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| adamw
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the criteria specify the functions that should work across all supported deliverables. but eh, i'm disappearing up my own process ass here, we can figure it out in post.
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16:28
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| adamw
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.fire brunowolff
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16:28
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| zodbot
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adamw fires brunowolff
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16:28
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| j_dulaney
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.fire brunowolff
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16:29
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| zodbot
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adamw fires brunowolff
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16:29
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| aeperezt
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sorry late but here john
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16:29
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| rbergeron
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there is criteria that things should boot - but do we block if, say, xfce doesn't boot, but gnome does?
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16:29
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| j_dulaney
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LOL
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16:29
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| nirik
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not currently.
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16:29
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| nirik
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gnome and kde are the blocking desktops
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16:29
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| rbergeron
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(i think, talking out my ass while i'm on the phone in a meeting)
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16:29
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| j_dulaney
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multitasking much?
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16:30
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| adamw
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rbergeron: the criteria use the phrase 'supported desktops', and there's a little bit in the preamble which states what those currently are by policy.
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16:30
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| nb
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FWIW why should kde get special status over XFCE?
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16:30
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| adamw
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(which is KDE and GNOME)
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16:30
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| rbergeron
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right. so we could block final if ec2 doesn't boot, but ... not alpha? /me is just brainstorming, but i think we just need a decision here and i i think it's just "sorry charlie, no alpha"
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16:30
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| nb
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me can see gnome, since it is default, butn ot kde
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16:30
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| rbergeron
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nb: would you like to hold pandora's box so you can peer into it as deeply as possible?
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16:31
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| adamw
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nb: it always has and so it continues to. it just is considered to be supported while the others aren't. that can always change, but the decision wouldn't come from us.
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16:31
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| j_dulaney
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nb: Do we block on Fluxbox?
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16:31
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| nirik
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nb: historical reasons.
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16:31
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| j_dulaney
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nb: If you want to change that, poke the Board
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16:31
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| nb
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ok
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16:31
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| rbergeron
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dgilmore: can we not back out changes to last known working appliance-tools, rebuild it, and try that?
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16:32
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| adamw
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anyway, it seems like the takeaway here is clearly that we're lacking policy/process for deliverables: what they are, and how hard we try to deliver the ones that aren't required at any point, when we stop trying, etc
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16:33
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| adamw
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so we need to renew that ticket, wherever it is, and get that done
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16:33
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| adamw
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#action adamw to dig out the 'deliverables' ticket / action item and get it moving again
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16:34
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| j_dulaney
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How much of that is FeSCO, how much releng, and how much us?
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16:34
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| adamw
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hand wavey!
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16:34
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| adamw
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i think it's one of those things where it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission.
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16:34
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| j_dulaney
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Does that mean I can wave my hands and make it go awaY?
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16:34
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| adamw
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if only.
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16:35
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| adamw
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i think we'd best move on and keep discussing this elsewhere, it's getting a bit freeform
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16:35
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| adamw
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#topic Upcoming QA events
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16:35
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| adamw
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we get back into blocker reviews this week, so everyone set aside your friday...
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16:36
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| j_dulaney
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Yay ...
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16:36
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| tflink
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wheee!
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16:37
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| j_dulaney
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What is todays date?
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16:37
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| adamw
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we also have 'Pre-Beta Acceptance Test Plan' on the schedule for two days from now, which seems a) early and b) redundant since rats is now firing daily
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16:37
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| adamw
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02-27
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16:37
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| j_dulaney
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First test day is a week from Thursday
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16:37
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| adamw
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yup, indeed
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16:38
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| j_dulaney
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In fact
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16:38
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| adamw
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okay, so it seems like when we got the schedule modified to bump TC1 earlier, 'acceptance test plan' got moved a week earlier instead of being removed
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16:38
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| adamw
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rbergeron: the idea was to drop the 'acceptance test plan' points entirely (replace them with TCs), not bump them a week forward
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16:38
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| j_dulaney
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#info First test day is a week from Thursday; it is 03/07
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16:38
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| adamw
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alrighty, so yeah, blocker review this friday, first TC next week, first test day also next week.
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16:40
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| adamw
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i think that's all
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16:41
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| adamw
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#topic AutoQA update
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16:41
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| adamw
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#chair tflink
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16:41
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| zodbot
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Current chairs: adamw j_dulaney jskladan tflink
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16:41
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| adamw
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#chair kparal
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16:41
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| zodbot
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Current chairs: adamw j_dulaney jskladan kparal tflink
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16:41
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| kparal
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I have some small update
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16:41
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| adamw
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take it away, folks. just remember to bring it back before the due date
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16:41
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| kparal
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first of all I'd like to remind everyone that we're now testing anaconda installation automatically every day
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16:41
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| kparal
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link is here: http://autoqa-stg.fedoraproject.org/resultsdb/frontend/search?type=Testcase&terms=rats_install
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16:42
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| kparal
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there were some complaints about log messages, so I tried to improve that
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16:42
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| kparal
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at the end of the result log you can now see last 10 lines parsed from serial console output: http://autoqa-stg.fedoraproject.org/results/27117-autotest/qa06.qa.fedoraproject.org/rats_install/results/f17-i386.html
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16:42
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| kparal
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and someone asked last time whether we can add 'newlines' to the following log: http://autoqa-stg.fedoraproject.org/results/27117-autotest/qa06.qa.fedoraproject.org/rats_install/results/stage2.log
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16:43
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| j_dulaney
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Might be a useful feature, that
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16:43
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| adamw
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yeah, that'd be good.
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16:43
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| irejaul
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hi
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16:43
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| kparal
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in short: we can't, because newt is drawing on serial console using escape characters
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16:43
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| kparal
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so at least I filtered it using 'strings' command: http://autoqa-stg.fedoraproject.org/results/27117-autotest/qa06.qa.fedoraproject.org/rats_install/results/stage2.log_filtered
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16:44
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| kparal
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so now we should be able to debug potential problems quicker
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16:44
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| irejaul
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I m Rejaul, Fedora Ambassador Bangldesh
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16:45
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| kparal
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#info rats_install output has been improved
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16:45
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| kparal
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that's all I have for today
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16:45
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| irejaul
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i want to become a mentor of APAC Bangldesh
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16:45
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| j_dulaney
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kparal: BTW, I was the one asking for newlines
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16:46
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| adamw
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irejaul: can you please ask in the correct channel? we're in the middle of a QA meeting...sorry
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16:46
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| tflink
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irejaul: I think you might have the wrong channel or time
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16:46
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| j_dulaney
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kparal: Much more readable
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16:46
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| j_dulaney
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kparal: Thanks
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16:46
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| adamw
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tflink: anything to add for autoqa?
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16:49
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| tflink
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adamw: nope
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16:49
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| j_dulaney
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kparal:
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16:50
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| kparal
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adamw: nope, that's all
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16:50
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| j_dulaney
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Instead of replacing the author name in tests, just add a maintainer line
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16:50
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| adamw
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okely dokely
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16:50
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| adamw
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#topic open floor
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16:50
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| j_dulaney
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Have both author and maintainer
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16:50
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| adamw
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i hope everyone enjoyed this exciting and enthralling meeting
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16:50
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| adamw
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now you can make it even better with your pearls of wisdom!
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16:51
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| j_dulaney
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adamw: We have wisdom?
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16:51
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| * j_dulaney did not know of this
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16:51
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| kparal
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j_dulaney: the author credits are still available in all the source files
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16:52
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| j_dulaney
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kparal: True
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16:52
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| tflink
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kparal: where is the contact info used, anyways?
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16:52
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| kparal
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nowhere. it's for our needs only
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16:53
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| kparal
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let's discuss in #fedora-qa
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16:53
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| tflink
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works for me
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16:54
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| j_dulaney
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.fire himself
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16:54
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| zodbot
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adamw fires himself
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16:54
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| kparal
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:)
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16:55
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| tflink
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hrm, he seems to have disappeared
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16:55
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| adamw
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holiday!
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16:55
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| * j_dulaney wants to go back to the house, stir up the fire place (which has been going for two days now), sit in front of it and watch anime
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16:57
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| j_dulaney
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Alas, I've class this afternoon
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16:58
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| jskladan
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j_dulaney: come on, you have fireplace, and you're going to watch dragon ball? :)
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16:58
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| jskladan
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ok, I'll do what I wanted to do for a long time now :))
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16:59
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| jskladan
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#endmeeting
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