QA/Meetings/20120730
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Attendees
- adamw (80)
- tflink (16)
- bcl (15)
- nirik (9)
- dlehman (5)
- zodbot (4)
- kparal (4)
- jskladan (3)
- pjones (2)
- garretraziel (2)
- cpuobsessed (1)
- spoore (1)
- mkrizek (1)
- satellit (1)
- akshayvyas (1)
- pschindl (1)
Agenda
- Fedora 18 preparation / anaconda newUI status
- AutoQA update
- Open floor
Fedora 18 preparation / anaconda newUI status
- RATS behind due to twu being away, will pick up soon
- bcl says livemedia-creator ought to be ready for usage for the Alpha compose
- newUI is scheduled to merge to master on wednesday, text mode support should make it in, possibly for alpha
- Rescue mode will likely not make it, but dracut can be used as a replacement
AutoQA update
- No major AutoQA news, autoQA team is fired for excessive zombies
Open floor
N/A
Action items
- adamw to do some test runs of f18 live image composes to see what problems lurk
IRC Log
| adamw | #startmeeting fedora-qa | 15:00 |
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| zodbot | Meeting started Mon Jul 30 15:00:24 2012 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 15:00 |
| adamw | #meetingname fedora-qa | 15:00 |
| zodbot | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' | 15:00 |
| adamw | #topic roll call | 15:00 |
| * mkrizek is here | 15:00 | |
| adamw | who's around for the meetin? | 15:01 |
| * pschindl is here | 15:01 | |
| * jskladan is here | 15:01 | |
| * akshayvyas is here | 15:01 | |
| * spoore is here | 15:01 | |
| * nirik is lurking | 15:01 | |
| * tflink is here | 15:01 | |
| * satellit listening | 15:02 | |
| * kparal rises from the grave | 15:02 | |
| * adamw shoots zombie kparal | 15:03 | |
| adamw | .fire kparal | 15:03 |
| zodbot | adamw fires kparal | 15:03 |
| * garretraziel is here | 15:03 | |
| * kparal sews up the wound | 15:03 | |
| adamw | alrighty, thanks for coming folks | 15:04 |
| adamw | hi dlehman | 15:04 |
| jskladan | ^^ our new intern (garretraziel) | 15:04 |
| adamw | i didn't know zombies could sew | 15:04 |
| adamw | ahhhh, fresh intern meat! | 15:04 |
| garretraziel | Hi all! | 15:04 |
| tflink | he's an advanced type of zombie, I guess | 15:04 |
| * tflink is glad to be half a world away at the moment :) | 15:04 | |
| adamw | distance is no protection against a czech zombie | 15:04 |
| tflink | sounds like it's time to start serious anti-zombie training, then | 15:05 |
| kparal | zombie self-healing mechanisms - a needle and a thread | 15:05 |
| adamw | #topic Fedora 18 preparation / newUI status | 15:05 |
| adamw | alright, so this is kind of a lazy f18 catch-all topic | 15:05 |
| adamw | for anyone who isn't aware - http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-18/f-18-quality-tasks.html is one week behind | 15:06 |
| adamw | so add one week to all those dates when looking at it, until that gets fixed | 15:06 |
| adamw | so right now, we should be getting RATS results | 15:07 |
| tflink | adamw: the automated RATS won't work w/o serial, though | 15:08 |
| adamw | twu was going to run the RATS runs, but he's been off work for a few days, so we'll try and catch up on those this week. however, the results aren't going to be terribly relevant until newui merges | 15:08 |
| adamw | tflink: newui isn't merged yet, so not technically a problem | 15:08 |
| tflink | is there a whole lot of point in running RATS against pre-newui? | 15:09 |
| adamw | yeah, i'm not sure. it may point up repoclosure issues, i guess. | 15:09 |
| adamw | we should start crankin' on TCs in a week or so. | 15:10 |
| * nirik really wishes he knew how lives were looking... both space and working wise. | 15:10 | |
| adamw | yeah, i'm thinking about that too. we could always throw together some test images with livecd-creator, just to see where things are. | 15:11 |
| adamw | #action adamw to do some test runs of f18 live image composes to see what problems lurk | 15:12 |
| adamw | any other thoughts on f18 prep? anyone worried about anything we're not covering? | 15:12 |
| tflink | is livemedia-creator working ATM? | 15:12 |
| nirik | not sure. | 15:12 |
| * tflink had heard that it wasn't really working yet | 15:12 | |
| nirik | it also needs some changes to ks files. | 15:12 |
| dlehman | adamw: you might want to talk to bcl about that -- he's sent a patch set that makes lorax work with livemedia-creator | 15:12 |
| tflink | are we still going forward with replacing livecd-creator with livemedia-creator? | 15:12 |
| adamw | last i heard we were, but the lack of status info does seem worrying | 15:13 |
| nirik | yeah, I think that was still the plan. | 15:13 |
| nirik | dgilmore still needs to teach koji to use it too. ;( | 15:13 |
| adamw | bcl: what's the story on livemedia-creator status? if you're around | 15:13 |
| adamw | i guess he's not! | 15:15 |
| adamw | still, the good news is livecd-creator is always around to use as a backup if necessary | 15:15 |
| nirik | the live's in koji aren't working... not sure what change caused the breakage tho | 15:15 |
| pjones | he was around just a minute ago | 15:15 |
| dlehman | adamw: he made a live image using newui on friday and had it booting | 15:16 |
| adamw | yeah, we saw that the error messages are rather unusual, iirc | 15:16 |
| adamw | dlehman: ah, that's good news. | 15:17 |
| bcl | adamw: I got lmc working friday, making a f17 live with newui. | 15:17 |
| tflink | dlehman: do you know which tool he used to make it? | 15:17 |
| * tflink is a little slow | 15:17 | |
| adamw | bcl: does it look like we should be able to use it for alpha? nirik, is there anything else you'd need? | 15:17 |
| adamw | tflink: left your mind on vacation, huh :) | 15:17 |
| nirik | well, koji support would be nice, but thats on dgilmore I think. | 15:18 |
| bcl | should be able to, other than the ususaly rawhide annoyances. | 15:18 |
| tflink | adamw: you're assuming that my mind has ever _not_ been on vacation :-D | 15:18 |
| adamw | =) | 15:18 |
| adamw | #info bcl says livemedia-creator ought to be ready for usage for the alpha compose | 15:19 |
| bcl | note that I used virt, I'm looking at novirt mode this week. | 15:19 |
| adamw | we can use 'by hand' construction for alpha, i think, so that shouldn't be an issue | 15:19 |
| adamw | afaik | 15:19 |
| * cpuobsessed woke up from his nap | 15:20 | |
| * adamw blows fanfare | 15:20 | |
| adamw | alrighty, so, the big topic in this area: newui readiness | 15:20 |
| adamw | unfortunately clumens isn't around, but i think dlehman can give us a general summary of stuff that won't / may not be working for f18, alpha and final? | 15:21 |
| adamw | apparently text mode will make it in after all and may even make it for alpha, last i heard. | 15:22 |
| bcl | probably so. | 15:22 |
| bcl | kickstart is working pretty well. most of the recent work on newui is around custom partitioning. | 15:23 |
| adamw | the other big ticket item i think was rescue mode | 15:23 |
| bcl | rescue may not make it, we've talked about moving that to dracut which really can do most of the things you'd want from a rescue. | 15:23 |
| adamw | we talked about that a bit and one conclusion is rescue mode doesn't actually do a whole lot besides mount system partitions for you | 15:23 |
| bcl | right. | 15:24 |
| bcl | mount stuff and give you a shell with useful tools. | 15:24 |
| adamw | right, and dracut does the 'shell with useful tools' stuff | 15:25 |
| bcl | we'll still be using firstboot, the user customization stuff won't make it into f18. | 15:25 |
| adamw | wait, you mean the 'initial experience' feature? | 15:25 |
| bcl | I don't know who is calling which what these days :) but we have plans for firstboot-like customization while installing packages. | 15:26 |
| adamw | oh. i'm talking about https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/InitialExperience , which may be something different | 15:26 |
| bcl | totally different. | 15:26 |
| adamw | a desktop team feature for a gnome-specific firstboot replacement, is what it looks like to me. | 15:26 |
| adamw | okay. so we may not be using firstboot, but it won't be your fault =) | 15:27 |
| pjones | yes, totally different. | 15:27 |
| adamw | so are we aware of any other big ticket anaconda bits which aren't going to be in place? | 15:28 |
| bcl | well, firstboot isn't gnome specific so I expect we'll still use it. | 15:28 |
| adamw | right, for non-gnome desktops. anyhoo. | 15:28 |
| bcl | I'm not sure about advanced storage. | 15:28 |
| adamw | iSCSI / fibre channel etc? | 15:29 |
| dlehman | my understanding is that will be iBFT only -- no interactive configuration of those devices | 15:30 |
| adamw | that was mentioned on the feature page, so obviously fesco's okay with it | 15:31 |
| adamw | so if we're really only missing rescue mode, i guess that's pretty good news | 15:31 |
| adamw | how's the merge-to-rawhide schedule looking? | 15:32 |
| bcl | wednesday. | 15:32 |
| adamw | well that's nice and specific. awesome. | 15:32 |
| adamw | anyone from qa side have concerns remaining about newUI? | 15:32 |
| * nirik likes the idea of moving rescue to dracut | 15:35 | |
| adamw | oh, with the new text mode, will serial console also be working? | 15:35 |
| adamw | dlehman: ^^ | 15:37 |
| dlehman | I _think_ that's safe to assume | 15:37 |
| bcl | should be | 15:37 |
| dlehman | we're certainly doing the text mode work with full awareness of serial console and dumb terminal limitations | 15:38 |
| adamw | cool. | 15:38 |
| adamw | of course the ui will be different so we'll presumably have to adjust scripted things, but that shouldn't be a terrible problem | 15:38 |
| adamw | #info newUI is scheduled to merge to master on wednesday, text mode support should make it in, possibly for alpha | 15:39 |
| adamw | #info rescue mode will likely not make it, but dracut can be used as a replacement | 15:40 |
| adamw | alrighty, any more f18 concerns before we move on? | 15:40 |
| adamw | okey dokey, thanks anaconda folks | 15:42 |
| adamw | #topic AutoQA update | 15:42 |
| adamw | tflink: kparal: any zombie news? | 15:42 |
| kparal | you tell me | 15:43 |
| tflink | nothing from me | 15:43 |
| adamw | you're all fired | 15:43 |
| adamw | this here is a LIVING PEOPLE shop, we don't want your kind | 15:43 |
| tflink | and here I thought that tolerance/acceptance was important to us :) | 15:44 |
| adamw | oh, sure, all this modern 'politically correct' 'differently living' nonsense | 15:44 |
| adamw | well i ain't having any of it! | 15:44 |
| adamw | alright, then | 15:45 |
| adamw | #info no major AutoQA news, autoQA team is fired for excessive zombies | 15:45 |
| adamw | #topic open floor | 15:45 |
| adamw | any other business, anyone? | 15:45 |
| adamw | worries, concerns, questions about appropriate zombie disposal - we've got it all | 15:47 |
| adamw | man, it's almost like you people aren't excited by bureaucratic processes AT ALL | 15:49 |
| * tflink has already been fired due to claims of being a zombie, not sure what you're expecting | 15:50 | |
| adamw | you could file a grievance | 15:50 |
| tflink | that sounds like too much work - kind of like counting the number of times I've been fired | 15:51 |
| adamw | and yet here you still are | 15:51 |
| adamw | alrighty, well, if that's all, guess we can all get back to our pinterest kitten collections | 15:52 |
| adamw | WORK. i meant work. | 15:52 |
| adamw | thanks for coming, folks | 15:52 |
| jskladan | *thumbs up* for kittens! | 15:53 |
| adamw | #endmeeting | 15:53 |
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