| adamw
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#startmeeting Fedora QA meeting
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Meeting started Mon Aug 13 15:00:15 2012 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
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| adamw
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#meetingname fedora-qa
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The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'
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15:00
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| adamw
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#topic roll call and snacks
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15:00
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| adamw
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happy, tflink? :)
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15:00
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| * pschindl is here
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15:00
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| * jskladan free food?
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15:00
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| * mkrizek here
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15:00
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| adamw
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jskladan: no, no, no, the idea is you all bring ME snacks
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15:01
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| * Martix is ready for collisions
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15:01
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| * kparal heard something about food
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15:01
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| * spoore is here...lurking
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15:01
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| * tflink is around
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15:01
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| tflink
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kparal: that was for the docs meeting, unfortunately :'(
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15:02
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| jskladan
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adamw: aaah, that's the trick - I'll have something for you prepaired on DevConf ;)
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15:02
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| Martix
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jskladan: something spicy?
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15:02
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| tflink
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adamw: wait a second, I think we've been tricked
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15:02
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| adamw
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=)
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15:02
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| jsmith
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tflink: Docs team is sneaky like that :-p
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15:03
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| adamw
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#topic F18 status, TC testing preparation
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15:04
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| * nirik lurks
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15:04
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| adamw
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sooo...in case you didn't notice, we have this thing called fedora 18 to test...
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15:04
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| adamw
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Alpha TC1 landed over the weekend, we don't have the validation matrix in place yet
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15:04
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| adamw
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first order of business, does it work? at all?
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15:04
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| kparal
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we have
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15:04
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| kparal
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the matrix
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15:05
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| kparal
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pschindl's done that
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15:05
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| kparal
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he also claims it doesn't boot, and if you make it boot, it doesn't install
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15:05
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| adamw
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ah, excellent, thanks for catching up on that
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15:05
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| tflink
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it sounds like the anaconda devs are aware of the issue and are working on it, though
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15:06
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| tflink
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unless there's another one that I'm not following
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15:06
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| adamw
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ok, so alpha tc1 testing is complete, great job everyone =)
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15:06
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| adamw
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#info F18 Alpha TC1 released over the weekend, initial testing indicates it fails to boot or install successfully
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15:06
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| adamw
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#info pschindl updated installation results matrix template
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15:07
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| adamw
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#chair tflink paral
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15:07
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15:07
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| adamw
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grr
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15:07
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| Martix
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and if you upgrade to F18 and boot with 3.6 kernel, you hit boot loop bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=847418
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| adamw
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#undo
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15:07
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| adamw
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#info F18 Alpha TC1 released over the weekend, initial testing indicates it fails to boot or install successfully
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15:07
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| adamw
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siiiigh. can someone please feed me coffee?
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15:07
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| adamw
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#chair kparal
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15:08
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15:08
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| adamw
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hi, robatino
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15:08
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| nirik
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Martix: fixed in recent systemd... make sure you have new systemd and re-gen your initramfs.
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15:08
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| tflink
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adamw: you re-did the wrong #info
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| adamw
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#undo
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15:08
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| Martix
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nirik: noted, thanks
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15:08
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| adamw
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#info pschindl updated installation results matrix template
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15:08
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| nirik
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at least that worked for me. ;)
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15:08
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| adamw
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#info bug #847418 is also causing issues for f18 users, recommended action: update systemd and re-generate initramfs
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15:09
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| adamw
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ok, the other thing i had on my list for this topic is revising the criteria and test cases
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15:09
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| adamw
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anyone noticed any required changes already?
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15:09
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| adamw
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we'll likely have to edit a large number of the install validation test cases to reflect newui; we may need to adjust the criteria for missing functionality still
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15:10
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| tflink
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I thought we were still waiting somewhat to see what all lands in newui in time for F18
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15:11
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| pschindl
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adamw: I think that we should wait for working tc and then change everything
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15:11
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| adamw
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pschindl: yeah, having a tc that vaguely works will be a help =)
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15:11
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| * kparal also votes for changing "everything" :-)
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15:12
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| * jskladan would do it real time soon now
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15:12
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| pschindl
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I know about few changes, that will be needed in criteria, but I'm not sure about how it will work in new ui
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15:12
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| adamw
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pschindl: are those the ones you already proposed to the list, or others?
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15:12
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| pschindl
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adamw: those was only the most critical, which we should resolve firstly
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15:13
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| adamw
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okay
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15:13
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| adamw
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it'd be good to get the other proposals in soon
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15:14
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| pschindl
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the other changes are mostly about rewording current criteria
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15:14
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| adamw
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as for the test cases, i think we can probably just all chip in and update them as we go along
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15:14
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| adamw
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or if someone wants to take a task for doing it systematically that's fine too
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15:14
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| adamw
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#info pschindl has some further criteria change proposals to come
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15:15
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| adamw
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ok, so to summarize our plan of attack: 1) figure out what's wrong with TC1, 2) get a TC2 that works, 3) revise test cases/criteria for newUI changes
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15:17
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| adamw
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does that cover everything f18-y? anything I missed?
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15:17
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| jsmith
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WORKSFORME
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15:18
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| * nirik is a bit worries about lives... but hopefully we will have something that works by the end of the week
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15:18
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| pschindl
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yep. I talked to anaconda team and fix could be done till tomorrow
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15:18
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| adamw
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nirik: ah, right, lmc, that's the other thing
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15:19
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| adamw
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nirik: so you tried to build lives with lmc and had issues?
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15:19
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| nirik
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I have not yet...
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15:19
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| tflink
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I thought it was the lack of koji support more than anything
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15:19
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| adamw
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ah, okay. so we haven't even reached the 'trying' stage yet =)
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15:20
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| adamw
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#info live image generation is still marked HERE BE DRAGONS
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15:20
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| tflink
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not in the same env as the lives have always been built in, no
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| nirik
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there are no lives with tc1... I don't know if that is due to an issue dgilmore hit or if he didn't get to trying until the koji support is done.
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| tflink
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nirik: the TC1 ticket says that it's due to no koji support but he's hoping to get that fixed this week
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15:20
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| jsmith
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I got the idea that we was still working on the koji support
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15:20
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| jsmith
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but it wasn't super-clear
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15:21
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| nirik
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ok.
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15:21
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| adamw
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#info still waiting on koji support for livemedia-creator
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15:21
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| adamw
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alrighty. well, that gives us lots of stuff to fix =)
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15:23
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| adamw
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#topic multi-image validation
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15:24
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| adamw
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so i just threw this on the agenda since it's something that's actively in draft at present
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15:24
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| kparal
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I replied to your emails. current proposal looks good
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15:25
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| adamw
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if anyone hasn't seen it, i put together a draft validation matrix for the multi-desktop and multi-boot images we've been building for the last couple of releases, and we've been trying to refine it: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2012-August/109284.html
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15:25
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| adamw
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kparal: yup, thanks a lot for your feedback
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15:25
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| adamw
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if anyone hasn't seen it, please take a look and contribute any ideas you have...anyone have any thoughts on it that aren't in the thread?
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15:25
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| adamw
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okey dokey, then
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15:27
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| adamw
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moving along
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15:29
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| jsmith
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adamw: I read through it, but didn't have any spectacular ideas -- the proposal looked solid
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15:29
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| adamw
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#topic AutoQA update
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15:29
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| adamw
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just for old times' sake
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15:29
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| adamw
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jsmith: thanks
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15:29
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| adamw
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any big autoqa news lately, autoqa folks?
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15:29
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| kparal
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I enabled F18 testing in AutoQA
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15:29
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| kparal
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that mostly concerns repoclosure, fileconflict and rats_* tests
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15:29
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| adamw
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cool. do we know the status of rats wrt newui?
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15:30
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| adamw
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or is it hampered by the fact we don't appear yet to have any recent newui-based images that work? =)
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15:30
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| tflink
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no text mode == no rats
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15:30
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| kparal
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rats_install is currently broken, I'll work on it once we have usable TC
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15:30
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| adamw
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oh, yeah.
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15:30
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| kparal
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text mode should be included eventually, shouldn't it?
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15:30
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| adamw
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yeah, we don't have a date yet though.
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15:30
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| tflink
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maybe but there is no guarantee that it'll make F18
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15:30
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| kparal
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hrm, so that's a blocker
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15:31
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| kparal
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but I'll look at it anyway
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15:31
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| adamw
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thanks.
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15:31
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| kparal
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rats_sanity should work ok, but doesn't have a maintainer
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15:31
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| adamw
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#info kparal enabled f18 testing in autoqa
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15:31
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| adamw
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#info rats_sanity is without a maintainer
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15:31
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| kparal
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I hoped twu would take over from hongqing, but he doesn't seem to be receiving my emails
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15:31
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| kparal
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so still looking for volunteers
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15:32
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| kparal
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another news, autotest package review is very close to an end
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15:32
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| adamw
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yaaay
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15:32
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| kparal
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so kudos to mkrizek
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15:32
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| adamw
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#info autotest package review is almost complete
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15:32
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| adamw
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thanks mkrizek!
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15:32
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| kparal
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also kudos to garretraziel (jan sedlak), who wrote an autotest_results_cleanup.py script for us
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15:33
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| kparal
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that makes the results directory half in size and inodes
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15:33
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| adamw
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hey, that's neat.
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15:33
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| kparal
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and that's it for the last week I suppose
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15:34
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| adamw
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coolness.
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15:35
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| adamw
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on a more general topic: what's our progress like towards the 'enforce package tests' goal?
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15:35
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| tflink
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not much, unfortunately
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15:36
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| kparal
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I was about to reply 'none at all'
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15:36
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| kparal
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at least lately
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15:36
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| adamw
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i think tflink was putting a positive spin on 'none at all' =)
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15:37
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| tflink
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eh, it's more than 0 ... just not much more than 0 :)
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15:37
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| adamw
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well, that sucks. let's do not that in future. i have now discharged my managerial obligations!
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15:37
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| kparal
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we're terrible project planners
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15:37
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| adamw
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#info not much progress recently towards the 'enforce package tests in bodhi' goal
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15:38
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| adamw
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okay, anything else for autoqa, anyone?
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15:38
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| kparal
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nope
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15:39
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| adamw
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alrighty
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15:40
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| adamw
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#topic open floor
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15:40
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| tflink
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Just a reminder: The blocker review meetings will be on Wednesday at 16:00 UTC starting this week
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15:40
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| adamw
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so, anyone have anything else to talk about? the weather, who should be the drummer for the who, cat grooming tips...
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15:40
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| adamw
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okay, OR you could be boring and say something on-topic and to the point, yeesh.
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15:41
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| adamw
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#info The blocker review meetings will be on Wednesday at 16:00 UTC starting this week
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15:41
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| * kparal likes
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15:41
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| tflink
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at some point (hopefuly soon), the blocker tracking app will be moved to fedora infra and the source will be released
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15:42
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| kparal
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have we decided on the hostname already?
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15:42
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| adamw
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#info the new blocker tracking page/webapp will soon be moved to fedora infra
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15:42
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| tflink
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there was some question on whether using qa.fedoraproject.org would mess with the internal subdomain
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15:42
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| tflink
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no decision was reached, no
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15:43
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| tflink
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too many nos in that sentance
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15:43
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| kparal
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I don't personally like using subdomain in this case
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15:43
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| tflink
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kparal: not sure I follow you there, maybe I'm not being clear
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15:44
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| tflink
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there is no external qa.fp.o subdomain - it only exists internally
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15:44
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| nirik
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it should/will be reachable via qa01.dev.fedoraproject.org... but if you want another cname going to it, we just need to decide what. ;)
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15:44
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| nirik
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and setting it to qa.fedoraproject.org might work, or might blow up the internal only qa.fedoraproject.org zone.
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15:44
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| tflink
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apparently, nirik types faster than I do :)
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15:45
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| kparal
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so we don't know whether it would work?
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15:45
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| adamw
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what's an 'internal only qa.fedoraproject.org zone' when it's at home?
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15:45
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| nirik
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I don't. I guess we could try it, or pick another name.
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15:45
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| kparal
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let's push the red button
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15:45
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| kparal
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and try it
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15:45
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| nirik
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adamw: there is a 'qa.fedoraproject.org' zone... it's not public on the net tho, it's only available to servers in phx2.
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15:46
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| adamw
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oh, i see.
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15:46
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| tflink
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adamw: it's all of the autoqa machines, mostly
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15:46
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| nirik
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so autoqa01.qa.fedoraproject.org is an internal dns name...
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15:46
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| nirik
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but that won't resolve in the public internet.
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15:46
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| kparal
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the internal zone can be renamed, if needed?
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15:46
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| nirik
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sure, it would be a hassle, but sure.
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15:46
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| kparal
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hmm
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15:46
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| nirik
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or you could just do 'qa-blockers.fedoraproject.org' or something?
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15:47
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| * nirik doesn't know it needs too much bikesedding.
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15:47
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| kparal
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but public qa.fedoraproject.org is so pretty.....
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15:47
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| nirik
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if thats what you guys prefer, we can try it/do it. ;)
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15:47
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| kparal
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and I imagine more apps will run there in the future
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15:47
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| kparal
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not just blocker bugs app
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15:47
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| tflink
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kparal: the vm we'll use isn't meant to be a permanent solution
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15:47
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| kparal
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no, but the VM can be changed and the hostname can stay, right?
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15:48
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| nirik
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yeah, it would/should move to a qa01.stg then a 'qa01' in production when it's ready.
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15:48
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| nirik
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yes, changing it is easy, it's just dns. ;)
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15:48
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| kparal
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if it's not much of a problem, I'd like to try whether public qa.fp.o works
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15:48
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| nirik
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sure, we can.
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15:49
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| kparal
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if it doesn't, let's decide on another name
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15:49
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| tflink
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kparal: says the guy who's about to sign off and won't be around to fix any explosions :-P
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15:49
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| tflink
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:-D
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15:49
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| nirik
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hum.
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15:49
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| kparal
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hiding in a bunker is the best way to survive, you know
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15:50
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| * tflink is also for trying it, anyways
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15:50
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| nirik
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we already seem to have a qa.fedoraproject.org record.
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15:50
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| nirik
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but I am unsure where it points.
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15:50
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| adamw
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it doesn't work out here.
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15:50
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| kparal
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doesn't resolve for me
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15:50
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| Martix
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qa.fedoraproject.org has address 209.132.181.30
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15:50
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| nirik
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yeah, thats what I get... ^
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15:51
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| tflink
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same here
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15:51
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| nirik
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I'll try and track it down.
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15:51
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| nirik
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I don't know what would break by repointing it. ;)
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15:51
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| tflink
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any other suggestions for hostname if the qa.fp.o doesn't work out?
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15:52
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| kparal
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let's discuss it when it really doesn't
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15:52
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| tflink
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works for me
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15:52
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| nirik
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f18blockers.fedoraproject.org ? ;)
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15:52
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| nirik
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thats fine too.
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15:53
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| * nirik will investigate, get back to you all
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15:53
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| kparal
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thanks
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15:53
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| * tflink needs to learn him some pgsql admin before the app comes up, anyways
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15:53
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| adamw
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OK
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15:53
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| adamw
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so, anything else?
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15:53
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| jsmith
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tflink: I'm happy to help in that regard, if you have specific questions or need some help
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15:54
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| tflink
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jsmith: I just have no idea how to set up pgsql, to be honest. I'm trying to work through the docs ATM on a local VM before I set up the dev vm
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15:54
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| adamw
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alrighty, sounds like we're about done
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15:56
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| jsmith
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tflink: OK, just general install pgsql, set up access, create users and database -- that sort of thing?
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15:56
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| adamw
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thanks for coming out everyone...looks like we have lots of stuff to do =)
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15:56
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| jsmith
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tflink: I'll help you after the meeting
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15:56
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| * adamw sets fuse for X minutes
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15:56
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| tflink
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jsmith: yeah, this sounds like something non-meeting related
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15:56
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| * jsmith cuts the fuse in half
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15:57
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| adamw
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meeting explodes in jsmith's face
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15:58
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| adamw
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#endmeeting
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