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Attendees

  • adamw (86)
  • kparal (43)
  • tflink (33)
  • nirik (29)
  • jsmith (9)
  • zodbot (7)
  • pschindl (6)
  • Martix (5)
  • jskladan (3)
  • spoore (1)
  • mkrizek (1)
  • paral (0)

Agenda

  • Fedora 18 status, mini blocker review
  • AutoQA update
  • Open floor

Fedora 18 status, mini blocker review

  • Alpha TC3 is up and at least vaguely bootable, still in highly broken state
  • TC4 landing shortly, most likely
  • releng is going to talk to bcl about the state of livemedia-creator and the possibility of going back to livecd-creator for now

Blocker review

  • #796479 is accepted as a Beta blocker - violates the 'VM self-hosting' criterion
  • #841451 still requires more evaluation
  • #848641 is accepted as a blocker - violates the 'USB boot' criterion
  • #840179 is accepted as a blocker - violates the 'boot without unintended user intervention' criterion
  • #849070 is accepted as a blocker - violates the 'installer bug reporting must work' criterion
  • #849112 is accepted as a Final blocker - violates the 'custom partitioning' criterion
  • #849012 is accepted as a blocker - violates the 'HTTP/FTP package source' criterion if network requires configuration
  • #849250 is accepted as a blocker - violates the 'must be able to login' criterion
  • #849152 is accepted as a blocker - violates the 'DVD package source' criterion
  • #849632 is accepted as a Beta blocker - violates the 'PXE boot' criterion
  • #849667 is accepted as a blocker - violates the 'installer bug reporting must work' criterion
  • #849118 is accepted as a blocker - violates the 'firstboot' criterion
  • #848841 is accepted as NTH - clearly something worth fixing and low-risk
  • #849244 is accepted as NTH - clear testing benefits to including SB support in Alpha

AutoQA update

  • Skipped due to lack of time

Open floor

  • Some question about whether go/no-go should be Wednesday or Thursday - we will decide it soon
  • Andre will propose a release criterion for the media check on the list

IRC Log

adamw #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting 15:00
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adamw #meetingname fedora-qa 15:00
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adamw #topic roll call 15:00
adamw one awful hangover, reporting for duty 15:00
adamw who else is here? 15:00
* tflink is here 15:01
* Cerlyn is here 15:01
* garretraziel is here 15:01
* spoore is here 15:01
jreznik jreznik is here 15:01
* jreznik is here (sorry ;-) 15:01
* kparal as well 15:01
bioinfornatics .fas bioinfornatics 15:01
zodbot bioinfornatics: bioinfornatics 'MERCIER Jonathan' <bioinfornatics@gmail.com> 15:01
adamw yay 15:02
* brunowolff is here 15:02
adamw #topic fedora 18 status 15:03
adamw well, let's see, we have tc3, which at least kinda-sorta boots into an installer. this is progress! 15:03
kparal wohooo 15:04
* kparal reminds alpha release in 8 days 15:04
garretraziel yes, but you would have better chance to install F18 with tic-tac-toe game 15:04
adamw we've found several potential blockers in it though, still 15:04
adamw garretraziel: hah, that's a way to put it. 15:04
adamw there's a lot of tc3 validation still to do, and i expect we'll be getting to a tc4 today or tomorrow, just on general principles 15:05
brunowolff The -rc2 kernel might have some issues. But that isn't the one we'll be using for the release. 15:05
adamw i guess that's more or less it, any other notes on f18 before we do some blocker review? 15:05
jreznik adamw: would be great to have tc4 asap (depends on what we can make into it) 15:05
brunowolff F18 seems to be working OK with the 3.5 kernel from f17 and the rc1 kernel. 15:05
brunowolff Any update on livemedia-creator builds? Is that what we are going to use for alpha? 15:07
adamw jreznik: right, i need to go through and check what we have fixes for and what we really want fixes for 15:07
jwb brunowolff, which release? 15:07
adamw brunowolff: ooh, good question 15:07
adamw dgilmore: nirik: either of you around and have any info on lmc builds? 15:07
* nirik looks up. 15:08
brunowolff jwb: 3.6-rc2 hung up on my twice. One looked like apps hung and the other time the whole system might have hung. I'll be trying it out some more after this meeting. 15:08
nirik I tried to get livemedia-creator working here this weekend without much luck. 15:08
nirik dgilmore said he was going to talk to bcl about punting and doing livecd-creator again for f18... but I don't know the status of that. 15:09
adamw roger 15:09
brunowolff That would be my recommendation. I don't see a need to rush this. 15:09
adamw #info f18 alpha tc3 is up and at least vaguely bootable, still in highly broken state 15:09
adamw #info tc4 landing shortly, most likely 15:10
adamw #info releng is going to talk to bcl about the state of livemedia-creator and the possibility of going back to livecd-creator for now 15:10
adamw okay, blocker review? 15:11
adamw #chair tflink kparal 15:11
zodbot Current chairs: adamw kparal tflink 15:11
adamw tflink: do you have your stuff set up? 15:11
tflink give me 1 minute, I didn't realize we were doing a mini review toda 15:12
* nirik hit one this weekend, meant to check criteria to see if it should be a blocker. 15:12
adamw throw it in at the end somewhere. 15:12
tflink there's another one that's apparently not on the list 15:14
nirik can do. It's 'impossible to install on a ipv6 enabled network/dual stack network' 15:14
tflink #info 10 Proposed Blockers 15:14
tflink #info 2 Proposed NTH 15:14
tflink starting with the proposed blockers 15:15
tflink #topic (796479) firewalld conflicts with libvirt's default network 15:15
tflink #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=796479 15:15
tflink #info Proposed Blockers, ASSIGNED 15:15
adamw so i still didn't get to testing this, but laine gave us some useful info 15:15
adamw still, the virt criteria are all beta, so thinking about it, this ought to be beta 15:16
adamw "The release must be able host virtual guest instances of the same release, using Fedora's current preferred virtualization technology " is the relevant criterion 15:16
tflink yeah, that makes sense to me 15:16
* kparal agrees 15:17
kparal I would rather see Alpha working flawlessly as a virt guest than virt host 15:17
tflink proposed #agreed 796479 - AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - Violates the F18 Beta criterion "The release must be able host virtual guest instances of the same release, using Fedora's current preferred virtualization technology" 15:17
adamw ack 15:17
kparal ack 15:17
* jreznik agrees, seems like laine is in touch with twoerner (I can ask them for status) 15:18
tflink proposed #agreed 796479 - RejectedBlocker (Alpha), AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - Violates the F18 Beta criterion "The release must be able host virtual guest instances of the same release, using Fedora's current preferred virtualization technology" 15:18
tflink just added in the rejected alpha 15:18
tflink #agreed 796479 - RejectedBlocker (Alpha), AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - Violates the F18 Beta criterion "The release must be able host virtual guest instances of the same release, using Fedora's current preferred virtualization technology" 15:18
jreznik ack 15:18
tflink #topic (841451) polkitd doesn't start in rawhide 15:18
tflink #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=841451 15:18
tflink #info Proposed Blockers, NEW 15:18
* kparal notes we have to adjust the criteria 15:19
adamw kparal: which one? 15:19
kparal adamw: my fault. I thought the cited criterion was alpha 15:20
kparal nevermind 15:20
tflink sounds like this needs more testing still 15:21
tflink punt? 15:21
adamw yeah, but didn't someone actually manage to get an f18 install now? so we could theoretically tell 15:21
tflink yeah, I got a F18 install done - it wasn't graphical but it did boot to a text prompt 15:22
kparal does KDE installation count? 15:22
kparal garretraziel: you got working KDE, right? 15:22
garretraziel yep, I got KDE to work 15:22
garretraziel KDE, LXDE and XFCE works, but it's very hard to install them 15:22
adamw anything with polkit in the package set. just see if polkitd service runs after install, really 15:23
garretraziel I cannot verify if is polkitd running, I'm at home now. 15:24
adamw okay. so, punt. 15:24
* tflink doesn't have access to the install right now, though 15:24
brunowolff Should it just be used with the graphical target? I upgraded a non-graphical system yesterday and the polkit service doesn't seem to be used. The polkitd user wasn't created, even though polkit is install (and was updated). 15:25
tflink #info this still needs verification with an install containing polkit, will re-evaluate on wednesday 15:25
tflink #topic (848641) Fedora 18 Alpha TC2 fails to boot from USB stick (written by livecd-iso-to-disk) 15:25
tflink #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=848641 15:25
tflink #info Proposed Blockers, NEW 15:26
brunowolff Note that the service name is polkit, though the daemon name is polkitd. 15:26
adamw ach, this one again. still didn't test the other usb methods. at least, i didn't, dunno about anyone else. 15:26
kparal I did 15:27
kparal see comment #4 15:27
adamw aha, thanks 15:27
tflink kparal: your last test was with TC3, then? 15:27
kparal yes 15:27
adamw ok, so this is blocker 15:27
adamw nice wowrk 15:27
tflink proposed #agreed 848641 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following Fedora 18 alpha release criterion "The installer must boot (if appropriate) and run on all primary architectures, with all system firmware types that are common on those architectures, from default live image, DVD, and boot.iso install media when written to an optical disc and when written to a USB stick with at least one of the officially supported methods" 15:29
adamw ackity 15:30
tflink ack/nak/patch? 15:30
kparal ack 15:30
jreznik ack 15:30
tflink #agreed 848641 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following Fedora 18 alpha release criterion "The installer must boot (if appropriate) and run on all primary architectures, with all system firmware types that are common on those architectures, from default live image, DVD, and boot.iso install media when written to an optical disc and when written to a USB stick with at least one of the officially supported methods" 15:31
tflink #topic (840179) Latest grub2 update broke "system" theme 15:31
tflink #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=840179 15:31
tflink #info Proposed Blockers, NEW 15:31
tflink this is arguably not a blocker 15:31
* tflink would be fine with NTH unless there is a better final criterion 15:32
adamw nils makes a reasonable case 15:32
adamw comment #14 15:32
adamw but eh, let's not waste too much time on this, it's an easy fix 15:32
adamw so nth or blocker, whichever, but let's just pick one and fix it... 15:33
kparal this applies only to upgrades? 15:33
tflink no, I hit this on a fresh install 15:33
kparal does this influence everyone, or just people tinkering with grub.conf? 15:34
jreznik yep, fresh install... it's more nth for me 15:34
tflink you have to tinker with it to fix it 15:34
tflink by default, you get a warning at the grub prompt before the menu actually shows up 15:34
tflink and you have to hit some key to get past that warning 15:35
tflink I see +1 NTH, +2 either 15:36
kparal "without unintended user intervention" speaks for +1 blocker 15:36
kparal but I'm fine with just nth 15:36
tflink proposed #agreed 840179 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the F18 alpha release criterion "In most cases (see Blocker_Bug_FAQ), a system installed according to any of the above criteria (or the appropriate Beta or Final criteria, when applying this criterion to those releases) must boot to the 'firstboot' utility on the first boot after installation, without unintended user intervention, unless the user explicitly chooses to boot in non-graphical mode. Thi 15:37
tflink ack/nak/patch? 15:37
kparal ack 15:37
adamw ack 15:37
aspratyush ack 15:37
tflink if we get enough nak, I'll switch it to NTH 15:37
kparal the text is cropped 15:37
tflink hrm, how far does it get? 15:37
brunowolff ack 15:37
kparal "in non-graphical mode. Thi" 15:38
jreznik if we can do it "easily", then I'm ack too 15:38
garretraziel I would like to add that "firstboot" doesn't work too (it didn't display in KDE, LXDE nor XFCE) 15:38
adamw garretraziel: is there a bug filed on it? 15:39
adamw that's four acks, good enough 15:39
tflink yeah, trying to shorten it 15:39
garretraziel yep, but in that time I tried it only in LXDE 15:39
garretraziel https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849118 15:40
tflink #agreed 840179 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the F18 alpha release criterion "In most cases (see Blocker_Bug_FAQ), a system installed according to any of the above criteria (or the appropriate Beta or Final criteria, when applying this criterion to those releases) must boot to the 'firstboot' utility on the first boot after installation, without unintended user intervention, unless the user explicitly chooses to boot in non-graphical mode." 15:40
tflink #topic (849070) Anaconda's bug reporter doesn't work 15:40
tflink #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849070 15:40
tflink #info Proposed Blockers, POST 15:40
adamw +1 blocker, by the numbers 15:41
tflink +1 blocker 15:41
kparal +1 blocker 15:42
brunowolff +1 blocker 15:42
tflink proposed #agreed 849070 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha release criterion: "The installer must be able to report failures to Bugzilla and local disk, with appropriate information included" 15:42
tflink ack/nak/patch? 15:43
adamw ack 15:43
kparal ack 15:43
jreznik ack 15:43
tflink #agreed 849070 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha release criterion: "The installer must be able to report failures to Bugzilla and local disk, with appropriate information included" 15:43
aspratyush ack 15:43
tflink #topic (849112) NoDisksError 15:44
tflink #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849112 15:44
tflink #info Proposed Blockers, ASSIGNED 15:44
tflink I'm not sure about blocker on this 15:45
kparal I don't understand comment #15 15:45
kparal the reproducer in comment #13 seems to be a valid use case 15:45
tflink yeah, but there is a reasonable workaround 15:46
adamw i haven't reproduced this to get a 'feel' for it, so it's kinda hard to vote 15:46
kparal it shouldn't just crash 15:46
tflink inconvenient, yes but #15 makes me think that it's just poorly worded error messages 15:46
kparal it's fine when it tells 'you must first do X' 15:46
tflink yeah, you're right. it shouldn't crash 15:48
kparal from what I understand, this is a completely typical usage. automatically create layout while there are some partitions on the disk 15:48
kparal IIUIC 15:48
kparal so this really shouldn't crash 15:48
kparal worth inviting dlehman here? 15:49
tflink proposed #agreed 849112 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha release criterion " The installer must be able to complete an installation using the entire disk, existing free space, or existing Linux partitions methods, with or without encryption or LVM enabled" 15:49
kparal ack from me, unless we find out we haven't understood the use case correctly 15:50
tflink other ack/nak/patch? 15:50
brunowolff +1 blocker 15:51
jreznik ack 15:51
adamw +/-0 15:51
* tflink is waiting for 1 more ack 15:51
jreznik but maybe more info would be better... not sure I completely understand it but as kparal pointed out, it should not crash 15:52
tflink or we could punt until wednesday 15:52
* kparal inviting dlehman 15:52
kparal dlehman: please have a look at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849112 15:53
kparal can you tell us exactly what's going on? 15:54
* tflink is starting to lean towards punt 15:54
tflink we're almost @ time 15:54
kparal ah, is someone waiting? 15:54
dlehman kparal: NoDisksError in this case means "there are no disks with enough space on them to do automatic partitioning" 15:54
kparal dlehman: the use case is that I choose automatic partitioning on an already partitioned disk? 15:55
dlehman so if you want to do automatic partitioning from the custom partitioning interface, you must first make space by removing existing partitions from the disk(s) 15:55
kparal is there any other way to do automatic partitioning? 15:56
kparal without having to manually remove everything? 15:56
tflink is this only custom partitioning, then? 15:56
dlehman yes. don't click "review and modify". 15:56
dlehman this part of the ui is broken IMO 15:56
adamw hm, that follows oldui as well, 'review and modify' = custom partitioning. so, that's kinda non-blocker. 15:57
tflink but since autopart works, I'm not sure it's an alpha blocker 15:57
kparal so, automatic partitioning without review works. with review it doesn't 15:57
dlehman "Review and modify" used to mean "do autopart, then show me the results" whereas now it means "do custom partitioning" 15:57
adamw or rather, final blocker not alpha blocker 15:57
kparal dlehman: so it's just badly worded 15:57
dlehman kparal: correct 15:57
dlehman kparal: or, more than that, the wording is unfortunately invoking memories of previous behavior and thereby also invoking an expectation that the behavior will be the same as it was 15:58
adamw right. 15:58
kparal still it should not crash but say "no free disks available" 15:58
brunowolff At the very least the crashing aspect should be nth. 15:59
adamw oh, nth for sure. 15:59
jreznik brunowolff: +1 15:59
dlehman perhaps we could even make that button insensitive until/unless there's some space to use. 16:00
* kparal would have to see a screenshot 16:00
tflink proposed #agreed 849112 - AcceptedBlocker (Final) - Violates the F18 final release criterion: "The installer must be able to create and install to any workable partition layout using any file system offered in a default installer configuration, LVM, software, hardware or BIOS RAID, or combination of the above" 16:00
tflink proposed #agreed 849112 - RejectedBlocker (Alpha), AcceptedBlocker (Final) - Violates the F18 final release criterion: "The installer must be able to create and install to any workable partition layout using any file system offered in a default installer configuration, LVM, software, hardware or BIOS RAID, or combination of the above" 16:00
kparal just explain to me why Final 16:01
kparal it's Alpha criterion 16:01
adamw the criterion cited now is final, not alpha 16:01
kparal I know people are able to start over, after anaconda crash 16:01
* kparal searching for 5 differences 16:02
adamw kparal: the alpha criterion about an autopart 16:02
adamw erf 16:02
adamw the final criterion we've always read as 'any failure in partitioning is a blocker', basically 16:02
adamw the alpha one is a much tighter 'if you follow the defaults with minimum variation it should work' 16:02
kparal alright 16:03
tflink ack/nak/patch? 16:03
adamw ack 16:03
brunowolff ack 16:03
kparal ack 16:03
adamw but also acceptednth for alpha? 16:03
kparal +1 nth alpha 16:04
jreznik +1 nth alpha 16:04
tflink proposed #agreed 849112 - RejectedBlocker (Alpha), AcceptedBlocker (Final), AcceptedNTH (Alpha) - Violates the F18 final release criterion: "The installer must be able to create and install to any workable partition layout using any file system offered in a default installer configuration, LVM, software, hardware or BIOS RAID, or combination of the above" 16:04
adamw ack 16:05
* tflink assumes acks again 16:05
jreznik ack 16:05
aspratyush ack 16:05
tflink #agreed 849112 - RejectedBlocker (Alpha), AcceptedBlocker (Final), AcceptedNTH (Alpha) - Violates the F18 final release criterion: "The installer must be able to create and install to any workable partition layout using any file system offered in a default installer configuration, LVM, software, hardware or BIOS RAID, or combination of the above" 16:05
tflink #topic (849012) IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-p2p1' 16:05
tflink #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849012 16:05
tflink #info Proposed Blockers, NEW 16:06
adamw so basically any attempt to enter network config screen ends up in a crash? 16:07
jreznik adamw: simplest reproduces is to click on network configuration and click back 16:07
kparal comment #7 seems to indicate so 16:07
kparal that's pretty bad 16:07
jreznik but same if you want to set up advanced options (or any action) 16:07
tflink sounds like a blocker to me 16:08
jreznik so it definitely makes impossible to setup network for many people 16:08
kparal +1 blocker 16:08
adamw yeah, seems bad enough. 16:08
adamw +1 16:08
jsmith +1 blocker from me 16:08
jreznik +1 as I proposed it :) 16:08
tflink "The installer must be able to use at least one of the HTTP or FTP remote package source options"? 16:08
adamw yeah 16:09
aspratyush +1 blocker 16:09
jreznik btw it's related to #849070 16:09
adamw criteria logic :) 16:09
tflink proposed #agreed 849012 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following fedora 18 alpha release criterion "The installer must be able to use at least one of the HTTP or FTP remote package source options" 16:10
tflink ack/nak/patch? 16:10
adamw ack 16:10
kparal ack 16:10
aspratyush ack 16:11
tflink #agreed 849012 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following fedora 18 alpha release criterion "The installer must be able to use at least one of the HTTP or FTP remote package source options" 16:11
tflink #topic (849250) Not setting up a root password makes non-desktop installs impossible to access 16:12
tflink #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849250 16:12
tflink #info Proposed Blockers, NEW 16:12
adamw +1, obviously. reasoning in the bug. 16:12
tflink it's workaround-able but this looks pretty bad and you have to know the workarounds 16:13
adamw yeah. 16:13
jreznik yep 16:13
* aspratyush agrees 16:13
garretraziel Again, I want to add that, because of missing firstboot, event desktop installs are impossible to access. 16:13
tflink garretraziel: impossible how? I assume you can still boot into single mode or pseudo-rescue 16:14
adamw well, not impossible, but same situation as in this bug, i guess. 16:14
garretraziel yep, that's what I meant 16:15
tflink proposed #agreed 849250 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha release criterion: "When booting a system installed without a graphical environment, or when using a correct configuration setting to cause an installed system to boot in non-graphical mode, the system should boot to a state where it is possible to log in through at least one of the default virtual consoles" 16:15
adamw ack 16:15
kparal ack 16:15
jsmith ACK 16:15
spoore ack 16:15
jreznik ack 16:15
tflink #agreed 849250 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha release criterion: "When booting a system installed without a graphical environment, or when using a correct configuration setting to cause an installed system to boot in non-graphical mode, the system should boot to a state where it is possible to log in through at least one of the default virtual consoles" 16:15
tflink #topic (849152) anaconda doesn't use DVD repo 16:15
tflink #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849152 16:15
tflink #info Proposed Blockers, POST 16:15
adamw +1 16:15
kparal seems like a clear blocker 16:16
tflink proposed #agreed 849152 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha release criterion: "When booting from a DVD ISO image, the installer must be able to use the DVD local package source options" 16:16
aspratyush +1 blocker 16:17
kparal ack 16:17
jreznik ack 16:17
jsmith ACK 16:17
tflink #agreed 849152 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha release criterion: "When booting from a DVD ISO image, the installer must be able to use the DVD local package source options" 16:17
tflink #topic (849632) inst.repo=http doesn't work 16:17
tflink #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849632 16:17
tflink #info Proposed Blockers, NEW 16:17
kparal so I'm really unsure whether I used the correct criterion 16:17
kparal in this bug 16:17
tflink does adding things via the graphical interface work? 16:18
kparal haven't tried 16:18
kparal this is more about stage2 fetching 16:18
adamw this is really pxe/virt-install stuff right? 16:18
kparal I booted through pxe, right 16:18
kparal I haven't tried boot.iso with inst.repo, my fault 16:19
kparal I have to change the summary 16:19
kparal the summary should be 'stage2 can't be fetched with inst.repo' 16:19
kparal that makes it probably Beta blocker 16:19
adamw i feel like we decided a specific release point for this kinda thing back in f17 16:20
adamw but i can't recall if it was alpha, beta or final 16:20
adamw anyone? 16:20
kparal bet 16:20
kparal a 16:20
adamw no, tiny dwarf with a jackhammer inside my head, you don't count 16:20
adamw ok, then i vote beta 16:20
tflink "It must be possible to install by booting the installation kernel directly, including via PXE, and correctly specifying a remote source for the installer itself, using whichever protocols are required to work for package retrieval at the current phase (Alpha, Beta, Final). This must work if the remote source is not a complete repository but contains only the files necessary for the installer itself to run. "? 16:20
kparal I'll retest with boot.iso and inst.repo 16:20
kparal tflink: yes 16:21
tflink that's beta 16:21
adamw ok, so beta for now 16:21
kparal just to clarify - " The installer must be able to use at least one of the HTTP or FTP remote package source options " refers to UI? 16:22
tflink proposed #agreed 849632 - RejectedBlocker (Alpha), AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - Violates the F18 beta release criterion "It must be possible to install by booting the installation kernel directly, including via PXE, and correctly specifying a remote source for the installer itself, using whichever protocols are required to work for package retrieval at the current phase (Alpha, Beta, Final). This must work if the remote source is not a complete repository 16:22
kparal ack 16:22
tflink ack/nack/patch? 16:23
adamw kparal: yeah, it does, we could clarify that. 16:23
adamw though note it's specifically about 'package source', not 'stage2 source'. though that distinction is getting less clear now, i guess. 16:24
adamw ack 16:24
tflink #agreed 849632 - RejectedBlocker (Alpha), AcceptedBlocker (Beta) - Violates the F18 beta release criterion "It must be possible to install by booting the installation kernel directly, including via PXE, and correctly specifying a remote source for the installer itself, using whichever protocols are required to work for package retrieval at the current phase (Alpha, Beta, Final). This must work if the remote source is not a complete repository but cont 16:25
tflink ok, that's all of the blockers 16:25
adamw can we do proposed nth rather than accepted blockers? 16:26
kparal tflink: the extra one 16:26
tflink kparal: oh yeah, thanks 16:26
tflink #topic (849667) Bugreporting from anaconda doesn't work as expected 16:28
tflink #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849667 16:28
tflink #info Proposed Blockers, MODIFIED 16:28
kparal vratislav created that bug just to get the new builds into the compose 16:29
adamw +1 per the abrt criterion - it obviously means the report submission should work and provide useful data 16:29
kparal sure, +1 as well 16:30
tflink proposed #agreed 849667 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha release criterion: "The installer must be able to report failures to Bugzilla and local disk, with appropriate information included" 16:30
adamw ack 16:30
kparal ack 16:30
tflink #agreed 849667 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha release criterion: "The installer must be able to report failures to Bugzilla and local disk, with appropriate information included" 16:30
jreznik ack 16:30
tflink ok, any other blockers I missed? 16:31
adamw the firstboot one maybe? 16:31
tflink did we get a bz# for that? 16:32
adamw that garretraziel mentioned 16:32
adamw garret? 16:32
jreznik yep, firstboot pls 16:32
garretraziel okay, 16:32
garretraziel it seems that firstboot doesn't show up 16:32
* nirik can note 849395 and ask for other ipv6 enabled folks to test and try and duplicate. 16:32
garretraziel it didn't showed up in KDE, LXDE nor XFCE. I was unable to test it in gnome (couldn't install it) 16:33
tflink if someone has a bz#, that would be great 16:33
adamw garretraziel: bz #? 16:33
garretraziel 849118 16:34
jreznik garretraziel: gnome is not going to use firstboot 16:34
adamw i'm +1 with the info that kde is broken. 16:34
tflink is this already reported elsewhere? 16:35
jreznik #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849118 16:35
garretraziel ok, so situation now is that nobody can install gnome and other GUIs firstboots don't show up 16:35
jreznik #topic (849118) firstboot doesn't show up in LXDE 16:35
jreznik #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849118 16:36
jreznik not proposed as blocker but should be 16:36
tflink #topic (849118) firstboot doesn't show up in LXDE 16:36
tflink #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849118 16:36
tflink #info Proposed Blocker, NEW 16:36
rdieter jreznik: I just added to F18Blocker-kde tracker, fwiw 16:37
jreznik rdieter: thx 16:37
adamw +1 16:37
jreznik +1 16:37
tflink proposed #agreed 849118 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 Alpha release criterion: "In most cases (see Blocker_Bug_FAQ), a system installed according to any of the above criteria (or the appropriate Beta or Final criteria, when applying this criterion to those releases) must boot to the 'firstboot' utility on the first boot after installation, without unintended user intervention, unless the user explicitly chooses to boot in non-graphica 16:39
tflink is that too long again? 16:39
Smoother1rOgZ .s 1 16:39
kparal yes 16:39
garretraziel yep 16:39
kparal "in non-graphica" 16:40
tflink proposed #agreed 849118 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 Alpha release criterion: "In most cases (see Blocker_Bug_FAQ), a system installed according to any of the above criteria must boot to the 'firstboot' utility on the first boot after installation, without unintended user intervention, unless the user explicitly chooses to boot in non-graphical mode. This includes correctly accessing any encrypted partitions when the correct passphra 16:41
tflink better? 16:41
adamw you can cut the second sentence. 16:41
kparal nope :) 16:41
adamw not relevant here. 16:41
tflink proposed #agreed 849118 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 Alpha release criterion: "In most cases (see Blocker_Bug_FAQ), a system installed according to any of the above criteria must boot to the 'firstboot' utility on the first boot after installation, without unintended user intervention, unless the user explicitly chooses to boot in non-graphical mode. This includes correctly accessing any encrypted partitions when the correct passphra 16:41
tflink wait, screwed that up 16:42
kparal nevermind 16:42
tflink proposed #agreed 849118 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 Alpha release criterion: "In most cases (see Blocker_Bug_FAQ), a system installed according to any of the above criteria must boot to the 'firstboot' utility on the first boot after installation, without unintended user intervention, unless the user explicitly chooses to boot in non-graphical mode. The firstboot utility must be able to create a working user account." 16:42
kparal ack 16:43
tflink fourth try's the charm? 16:43
adamw ack. yay! 16:43
jreznik ack 16:43
tflink #agreed 849118 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 Alpha release criterion: "In most cases (see Blocker_Bug_FAQ), a system installed according to any of the above criteria must boot to the 'firstboot' utility on the first boot after installation, without unintended user intervention, unless the user explicitly chooses to boot in non-graphical mode. The firstboot utility must be able to create a working user account." 16:43
tflink any more I missed? 16:43
tflink doesn't FEScO start in 15? 16:44
jreznik yep 16:44
adamw do we have any porposed nth? 16:44
adamw i think one or two inc the kernel 16:44
tflink #info (848841) [TUI] anaconda crash when trying to work with empty (new) disk 16:44
tflink #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=848841 16:44
tflink #info Proposed NTH, ON_QA 16:44
tflink darn it 16:45
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tflink #topic (848841) [TUI] anaconda crash when trying to work with empty (new) disk 16:45
tflink #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=848841 16:45
tflink #info Proposed NTH, ON_QA 16:45
kparal +1 nth 16:46
adamw +1 16:46
jreznik +1 16:46
tflink proposed #agreed 848841 - AcceptedNTH - This prevents text install with an empty disk which isn't an alpha blocker but a tested fix would be accepted. 16:47
kparal ack 16:47
adamw ack 16:47
jreznik ack 16:47
tflink #agreed 848841 - AcceptedNTH - This prevents text install with an empty disk which isn't an alpha blocker but a tested fix would be accepted. 16:47
tflink #topic (849244) Include signed grub2 and kernel in Alpha 16:47
tflink #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849244 16:47
tflink #info Proposed NTH, ASSIGNED 16:47
kparal no reason to deny that, right? the resistance is futile, secure boot is here 16:49
adamw this seems reasonable, but if the rc2 kernel is bad... 16:49
adamw still, the theory is we make the issue nth but can refuse to take a build if it's problematic, so +1 nth. 16:49
* jreznik really wants to see secure boot in alpha 16:49
tflink proposed #agreed 849244 - AcceptedNTH - It would be nice to have an SB-capable alpha, a well tested build would be accepted past freeze. 16:50
kparal ack 16:50
jreznik ack (and I'd even say it's a blocker - as it's the change that has to be delivered asap to not affect final...) 16:51
adamw ack 16:51
tflink #agreed 849244 - AcceptedNTH - It would be nice to have an SB-capable alpha, a well tested build would be accepted past freeze. 16:51
tflink ok, I think that's all of them 16:52
jreznik yep 16:52
tflink adamw: I think we're done w/ 8 minutes to spare :) 16:52
jreznik one thing from me - go/no-go is scheduled on Wednesda, see http://jreznik.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-18/f-18-pm-tasks.html 16:52
adamw yeah. chances of go at this point are infinitesimal, fwiw. 16:53
jreznik adamw: it is :((( 16:53
* jreznik is going to announce it 16:53
nirik but perhaps it will be better by wed. ;) 16:53
adamw ahaha. optimist. 16:54
adamw let's skip autoqa update in the interests of brevity 16:54
jreznik nirik: we are still stuck on anaconda... so I hope at least for installable system for more userland testing... that's all we can get (and would be great to get it) 16:54
tflink didn't we move the go/nogo to thursday? 16:54
adamw #topic open floor 16:54
adamw do we have anything for general qa open floor? 16:54
robatino i was going to suggest a final criterion for working built-in mediacheck, but there probably isn't time 16:55
nirik tflink: I had wanted to... perhaps that didn't happen in the schedule? 16:55
tflink I thought we did agree to it 16:55
tflink not 100% sure, though 16:55
jreznik I'm ok with moving it on Thursday... 16:55
adamw robatino: best on the list i guess 16:56
jreznik it's just going to be really difficult this Thurday as it's my granma funeral :( 16:56
jreznik as I said - I can move it, but would be better to do it before announcement... 16:56
adamw i'm not sure it's gonna make a huge difference this week :) 16:56
tflink true 16:57
jreznik well, so Wednesday this week? and schedule next go/no-go on Thursday? 16:57
tflink I just want to avoid the whole "we can get through the whole matrix in 24 hours" thing again 16:57
mjg59 You guys going to be finished in 3 minutes? 16:57
mjg59 Or should I move fesco to -1? 16:57
tflink but as adam said, that seems really, really unlikely by wed 16:57
tflink I think we're done - rest of conversation can be done in #fedora-qa, no? 16:58
jreznik tflink: yep... 16:58
adamw mjg59: we'll be done 16:58
adamw #info we'll decide on the day of the go/no-go meeting shortly 16:58
adamw thanks folks 16:58
adamw #info robatino will propose a criterion for mediacheck on the list 16:58
adamw aaaand that's all she wrote 16:59
adamw #endmeeting 16:59

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