QA/Meetings/20131021

Attendees

• adamw (89)
• roshi (24)
• kparal (16)
• cmurf (15)
• jreznik (10)
• satellit (9)
• nirik (7)
• handsome_pirate (6)
• pwhalen (3)
• zodbot (3)
• sgallagh (1)
• mkrizek (1)
• pschindl (1)

Agenda

• Previous meeting follow-up
• Fedora 20 Beta status
• Open floor

Previous meeting follow-up

• roshi will update the Test Day SOP as agreed (encourage use of webapp for tracking test day results) - this was done; some discussion of moving the results app to infrastructure

Fedora 20 Beta status

• The blocker list still showed several unresolved blockers
• TC5 testing was still incomplete, everyone to please help fill out the matrices
• lorax-20.3-1.fc20 needed karma on the basis of TC5 testing

Open floor

• adamw noted that it was Graphics Test Week and asked people to help out with testing
• Wayland Test Day was completely unready and may need re-scheduling
• Go/No-Go and release readiness meetings for F20 Beta would both be held on Thursday
• nirik noted that rawhide composes had been broken recently by createrepo, should be fixed on the day

Action items

• roshi to talk to jskladan about improving testday app result table generation so no manual work is required to prime the table
• jskladan and nirik to discuss moving testday result app to infrastructure, probably on qa-devel list
• adamw to put together an F20 stable push request
• adamw to finish setting up gfx test week
• handsome_pirate, adamw and roshi to co-ordinate with wayland and GNOME devs to arrange wayland test cases

IRC Log

adamw	#startmeeting Fedora QA meeting	15:00
zodbot	Meeting started Mon Oct 21 15:00:09 2013 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	15:00
zodbot	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.	15:00
adamw	#meetingname fedora-qa	15:00
zodbot	The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'	15:00
adamw	#topic Roll call	15:00
* roshi is here		15:00
* satellit listening		15:00
* cmurf here		15:00
* mkrizek is here		15:00
* jreznik is here, not sure he will be available for the whole meeting - needs to pickup prescription in the ambulance		15:00
* kparal here		15:01
* handsome_pirate perches in the Crows Nest		15:01
adamw	jreznik: yikes, sounds worrisome	15:01
handsome_pirate	jreznik: What's up?	15:01
* pschindl is here		15:01
roshi	that's not a normal place to pick up a rx	15:01
* handsome_pirate tosses a couple crows eggs at roshi		15:02
cmurf	roshi: sounds convenient though	15:02
roshi	lol	15:02
jreznik	adamw, handsome_pirate: just running out of my medicine - chronic hypertension :)	15:03
adamw	ah, not an emergency then...whew	15:05
adamw	#topic Previous meeting follow-up	15:05
adamw	just one thing here:	15:05
adamw	"roshi will update the Test Day SOP as agreed (encourage use of webapp for tracking test day results)"	15:05
adamw	roshi, has that been done?	15:05
roshi	https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/SOP_Test_Day_management#Set_up_the_TestDayApp	15:05
roshi	yep, edits welcome	15:05
* pwhalen is here		15:06
roshi	but I suppose the "edits welcome" part goes without saying...	15:06
adamw	=)	15:08
adamw	thanks!	15:08
roshi	good enough then?	15:09
adamw	#info "roshi will update the Test Day SOP as agreed (encourage use of webapp for tracking test day results)" - this was done, see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/SOP_Test_Day_management#Set_up_the_TestDayApp	15:09
adamw	roshi: i don't think it's necessary to create the matrix before the event any more, in fact it might just be confusing	15:09
adamw	i would've just said to create the metadata before the event, make sure the test day page explains where to go for the list of tests and to submit results, and copy the results in later	15:10
adamw	but that's just me...	15:10
roshi	yeah - but when you export the results it doesn't include the test names themselves	15:10
roshi	it just formats the results with the user that did them	15:10
adamw	ah, interesting	15:11
adamw	so you'd still need to create the matrix to copy the results into	15:11
roshi	yeah	15:11
adamw	still, not sure it needs to exist before the event happens...	15:11
adamw	maybe we should ask jskladan to tweak that if possible? probably make it easier	15:11
* roshi shrugs		15:11
roshi	before of after doesn't matter to me	15:12
roshi	I can ask jskaladan about the tweak	15:12
roshi	if the app pushed those out, then there'd be no need to think before/after for the matrix	15:12
adamw	right, exactly	15:13
adamw	just a simple copy/paste from the app into the page would be nice	15:13
roshi	yeah	15:13
roshi	where does the source live for the app? out of curiousity	15:13
adamw	#action roshi to talk to jskladan about improving testday app result table generation so no manual work is required to prime the table	15:13
adamw	roshi: i don't actually know; i've filed a ticket related to that	15:14
adamw	does anyone know?	15:14
adamw	https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/426	15:15
roshi	it's flask-based, iirc right?	15:15
kparal	adamw: I guess https://github.com/rajcze/testdays_frontend	15:16
* adamw doesn't recall, sounds right		15:16
adamw	kparal: that looks like it	15:16
kparal	hmm, that's outdated repo probably	15:16
kparal	I guess Josef moved it somewhere else	15:16
nirik	do you folks want to keep just running that in the cloud? or ?	15:16
adamw	might be nice to move it to infra i guess	15:17
nirik	yeah.	15:17
* nirik is happy to help with that process.		15:17
kparal	best to start the discussion in qa-devel with jskladan in CC	15:18
adamw	kparal: is it OK if I action jskladan in his absence?	15:18
adamw	i could action nirik i guess	15:18
kparal	adamw: feel free to do so :)	15:18
adamw	#action jskladan and nirik to discuss moving testday result app to infrastructure, probably on qa-devel list	15:19
* nirik nods. I am already subscribed there.		15:19
adamw	coolbeans	15:19
adamw	anything else for follow-up?	15:19
adamw	alrighty then	15:20
adamw	#topic Fedora 20 Beta status	15:20
kparal	we still have quite a few unresolved blockers	15:21
adamw	so, we're not looking super awesome	15:21
adamw	indeed	15:21
kparal	mainly anaconda	15:21
jreznik	yep :(	15:21
adamw	#info https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/20/beta/buglist still shows several unresolved blockers	15:21
kparal	mainly filesystems	15:21
adamw	i sent a blocker status mail to test/devel last week, ccing all involved developers, so everyone should be aware	15:22
adamw	not sure there's much more we can do from our side except make sure we have covered all testing bases	15:22
adamw	#action adamw to put together an F20 stable push request	15:22
adamw	(that needs doing)	15:22
adamw	oh, we should probably have done a blocker review meeting after qa meeting :( sorry for not announcing one	15:22
jreznik	kparal: yep, that leads to one developer...	15:23
* handsome_pirate stumbles in for a couple minutes		15:23
adamw	do people want to do that?	15:23
adamw	ahoy pirate	15:23
handsome_pirate	Alas, I won't make the post meeting meeting	15:23
kparal	adamw: I'm OK with that	15:23
jreznik	adamw: if there's nothing else for qa meeting, let's do it now	15:23
* handsome_pirate is busy getting paid		15:24
cmurf	adamw: crank it out	15:24
* roshi will be here		15:24
kparal	jreznik: there are some more topics I guess, like Test Days	15:24
jreznik	kparal: ok, so I'll follow it from phone	15:24
* sgallagh can represent FESCo at a blocker meeting if needed		15:25
adamw	jreznik: we decided to stop doing blocker review inside qa meetings, it's not a great process	15:25
adamw	#agreed we'll run a quick blocker review meeting in #fedora-blocker-review at the top of the hour	15:25
adamw	OK	15:26
adamw	how does test coverage look?	15:26
adamw	looks like we need more USB and cloud testing	15:26
adamw	any cloud-y folks around?	15:26
adamw	#info TC5 testing still has gaps, please everyone work to fill out the matrices and make sure our coverage is complete	15:27
* nirik could try and toss a tc5 into the infra cloud.		15:27
jreznik	ok	15:27
adamw	i see missing usb, cloud, dvd install, repository and disk target tests	15:27
pwhalen	adamw, will be filling in the missing portions for arm today	15:28
adamw	awesome, thanks	15:28
* jreznik knows it's separate process just wanted to speed it up a bit :)		15:28
kparal	most of the USB test cases were tried with TC2	15:28
cmurf	adamw: a lot of those were done with tc4 or tc3 so they're not totally untested, just not tested with current TC	15:28
satellit	did DVD as USB test	15:28
kparal	that's not that far ago	15:28
adamw	pwhalen: if you could be around for the blocker meeting it'd help, as there's an arm issue there we'll likely need info on	15:28
satellit	dd	15:28
adamw	cmurf: indeed, but best to be up to date, esp. as we have seen some breakage in partitioning stuff between TCs already	15:28
* roshi can do some USB testing		15:28
pwhalen	adamw, for sure	15:28
satellit	cannot do DVD to hrd metal from disk no dual layer here	15:29
cmurf	adamw: understood	15:29
adamw	satellit: yeah, we're kinda stuck on that test for now :/	15:29
cmurf	i don't recall seeing a fully complete matrix for actual CD/DVD media testing	15:29
satellit	dd USB to hard metal works though	15:29
adamw	cmurf: we can't do DVD physical media testing really until it's undersize	15:30
adamw	unless someone goes and buys a dual layer disc :P	15:30
roshi	+1 satellit, this box is dd usb to hard metal	15:30
cmurf	ohduhoknevermind	15:30
cmurf	i can vouch for livecd-tools and dd to usb sticks for live, dvd, and netinst on Mac EFI	15:31
cmurf	so that's three of the USB stick entries in the matrix	15:32
cmurf	with TC5	15:32
satellit	virtualbox here cannot see network even though says it is connected for netinstall DVD and live...may be f20 3.10.1	15:32
satellit	boxes is OK	15:33
adamw	vbox isn't supported	15:33
adamw	:P	15:33
* cmurf updates matrix		15:33
satellit	worked in earlier TC's though	15:33
adamw	OK, sounds like we know where we are	15:35
adamw	anything else on f20 status?	15:35
adamw	oh	15:35
adamw	can people +1 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/lorax-20.3-1.fc20 ?	15:35
adamw	it was used for TC5, so as long as that compose didn't explode (which it didn't), we can +1 the update	15:35
adamw	#info https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/lorax-20.3-1.fc20 can be up-karmaed on the basis of TC5 testing	15:35
adamw	#topic Open floor	15:37
adamw	so I have something for this which I forgot to put on the agenda...	15:37
jreznik	just two reminders - readiness and go/no-go meetings are held this week	15:37
adamw	#info this week is Graphics Test Week - please help out with prepping the test days and contributing results	15:37
cmurf	wow the whole week	15:37
adamw	#action adamw to finish setting up gfx test week	15:38
adamw	cmurf: yeah, and we'	15:38
adamw	we're CLEARLY HIGHLY PREPARED :P	15:38
roshi	adamw: I can help you out with that	15:38
adamw	thanks	15:38
kparal	I'm a bit concerned about the wayland test day. still no wiki page and no test cases. the gfx test cases can be copied from the last time, but not wayland	15:38
adamw	#roshi to help adamw with setting up gfx test week	15:38
kparal	handsome_pirate: what's the wayland test day status?	15:38
adamw	kparal: yeah, we need to sort that out, but the copy/paste monkey-work comes first	15:38
adamw	worst comes to worst, we can re-schedule wayland	15:38
adamw	#info wayland test day is currently completely un-prepared, may need to be re-scheduled	15:38
satellit	note I did a rpm test of power for karma and now screen does not blank after 1 min etc stays on not important though	15:38
roshi	I pinged handsome_pirate on Friday about wayland test day	15:39
roshi	he's aware at least	15:39
kparal	the developers need to be aware and need to provide test cases :)	15:39
cmurf	karpal exactly what i was going to ask, if he's getting the necessary input	15:40
roshi	so we should ping the wayland devs for test cases?	15:40
adamw	yeah, we should	15:40
cmurf	and gnome	15:40
cmurf	and kde	15:41
adamw	#action handsome_pirate, adamw and roshi to co-ordinate with wayland and GNOME devs to arrange wayland test cases	15:41
adamw	#info Go/No-Go and release readiness meetings for F20 Beta will both be held this Thursday	15:43
adamw	anything else for open floor, folks?	15:46
nirik	if anyone cares, rawhide composes were broken by createrepo	15:46
nirik	hopefully we have a fix today.	15:46
adamw	#info rawhide composes have been broken recently by createrepo, should be fixed today	15:47
adamw	welp, looks like we can finish early for a change, only to leap straight into a blocker review meeting :)	15:49
* adamw sets the Quantum Fuse		15:49
* jreznik has to go, will try to follow blocker meeting on the phone		15:50
adamw	thanks for coming, folks	15:51
adamw	blocker review in 9 minutes	15:51
adamw	over in #fedora-blocker-review	15:51
adamw	#endmeeting	15:51

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