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| *nirik starts looking around for folks here for the Xfce SIG meeting. | Jun 10 14:58 | |
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| nirik | afternoon cwickert | Jun 10 14:59 |
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| cwickert | hi nirik | Jun 10 14:59 |
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| cwickert | do we want to start the first Xfce SIG meeting now, although we are only two presons? | Jun 10 15:00 |
| nirik | we could do a short meeting... also leave a few minutes for other folks to show up. | Jun 10 15:00 |
| cwickert | not sure if Rahul and John will attend, I did not receive any feedback from them | Jun 10 15:02 |
| nirik | although if just 2 of us are here, it sounds like this time is not good for more people. | Jun 10 15:02 |
| nirik | yeah, I didn't either... | Jun 10 15:02 |
| nirik | mether: you around? | Jun 10 15:02 |
| mether | yeah | Jun 10 15:02 |
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| nirik | so, topics I wanted to go over (in no particular order): Xfce live media, outstanding bugs we have now, enhancements progress for f10, getting more folks involved (bug triagers? docs folks?) | Jun 10 15:03 |
| kanarip | ! | Jun 10 15:03 |
| nirik | any other ajenda items folks would like to put forward? | Jun 10 15:04 |
| nirik | kanarip: go ahead | Jun 10 15:04 |
| kanarip | XFCE Live media (or live media in general) is to become a "Feature" - and should thus be finished during the appropriate freezes etc | Jun 10 15:04 |
| nirik | kanarip: great. How about a F9 one? | Jun 10 15:04 |
| kanarip | i recommend you (or the spin maintainers) request access to the gitspin-kickstarts group (which mether already has) | Jun 10 15:04 |
| kanarip | nirik, that has been requested (ticket #24 at rel-eng on their hosted space) | Jun 10 15:05 |
| kanarip | as i understood from mether that the current kickstart is GOLDEN for F-9 | Jun 10 15:05 |
| nirik | ok, great. Thanks for the info. | Jun 10 15:05 |
| kanarip | it's a heads-up for what is going to happen for F-10 | Jun 10 15:05 |
| kanarip | eof | Jun 10 15:06 |
| cwickert | so what's the problem with the F9 Xfce spin? | Jun 10 15:06 |
| mether | nirik: cwickert, you might want to git clone the repo and look at the ks file just to see if there is anything else to be done but I think I have made all the changes we discussed earlier | Jun 10 15:06 |
| mether | cwickert: there isnt any problem as such. rel-eng just has to do it | Jun 10 15:06 |
| nirik | cwickert: I think it's just waiting to be spun (is that a word?) | Jun 10 15:06 |
| kanarip | git clone git://git.fedorahosted.org/spin-kickstarts.git | Jun 10 15:06 |
| cwickert | mether: ok, thanks | Jun 10 15:07 |
| *kanarip off again | Jun 10 15:07 | |
| nirik | yeah, last I looked at the ks it looked all good. Thanks again for working on it mether. | Jun 10 15:07 |
| mether | Although I think having the spin SIG get access to do it would be good | Jun 10 15:07 |
| mether | nirik: np. | Jun 10 15:07 |
| nirik | anything more on live media? or shall we move on ? | Jun 10 15:07 |
| mether | kanarip: do you know when the spins are going to be released? | Jun 10 15:08 |
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| ---nirik has changed the topic to: Xfce SIG - outstanding bugs | Jun 10 15:09 | |
| nirik | I have a quick and dirty tinyurl for outstanding open bugs (I'm sure I missed some packages): http://preview.tinyurl.com/6s8s4a | Jun 10 15:09 |
| mether | nirik: might want to insert that in the SIG page | Jun 10 15:10 |
| nirik | The two bugging me right now are the "xfce-settings-show doesn't work" and "reboot/shutdown don't work from quit in Xfce"... I can't duplicate either, and haven't gotten much response from reporters. | Jun 10 15:10 |
| nirik | mether: good idea... it might need some more tweaking, but I can do that. | Jun 10 15:10 |
| mether | nirik: post to fedora-devel list and see if anyone else can reproduce it? | Jun 10 15:11 |
| nirik | might be worth a shot... or fedora-list? (I don't subscribe there tho) | Jun 10 15:12 |
| cwickert | or set them to needinfo and close them if the reporters do not respoind within two weeks | Jun 10 15:12 |
| nirik | also an option... it's been reported several times tho, which makes me think there is a real bug going on. | Jun 10 15:12 |
| mether | well yes, asking explicitly for small help usually does get good responses | Jun 10 15:13 |
| mether | in any of the lists | Jun 10 15:13 |
| nirik | any other outstanding bugs anyone would like to discuss? | Jun 10 15:13 |
| cwickert | but I guess the bug is not in xfce-session but has something to do with dbus | Jun 10 15:13 |
| cwickert | ristretto review | Jun 10 15:14 |
| nirik | yeah, just haven't gotten to it... was planning on it soon. | Jun 10 15:14 |
| cwickert | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=351531 | Jun 10 15:14 |
| bugbot_ | Bug 351531: medium, medium, ---, Nobody's working on this, feel free to take it, NEW , Review Request: ristretto - Image-viewer for the Xfce desktop environment | Jun 10 15:14 |
| nirik | got real busy. ;( | Jun 10 15:14 |
| nirik | I can go ahead and take it now, and try and review later tonight... | Jun 10 15:14 |
| cwickert | the problem ist that ristretto is still crashing on rawhide, but works fine here in F9 | Jun 10 15:15 |
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| nirik | I wasn't seeing the crash... but yeah, I was testing with f9. | Jun 10 15:15 |
| mether | isnt the same case for the new xfce archiver too? | Jun 10 15:15 |
| nirik | I can test in rawhide when I do the review too. | Jun 10 15:15 |
| cwickert | mether: huh? first time I hear that | Jun 10 15:16 |
| mether | squeeze | Jun 10 15:16 |
| nirik | squeeze crashes everywhere for me. | Jun 10 15:16 |
| mether | right | Jun 10 15:16 |
| nirik | well, s/crashes/takes up all memory and locks the machine/ | Jun 10 15:16 |
| mether | iirc, it is the same upstream for both these components | Jun 10 15:16 |
| cwickert | I thought you were talking about xarchiver | Jun 10 15:16 |
| mether | cwickert: i didnt remember the name squeeze earlier which is why i said new xfce archiver | Jun 10 15:17 |
| cwickert | np | Jun 10 15:17 |
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| nirik | I can poke upstream about squeeze too... again. | Jun 10 15:17 |
| mether | why is it that we are the only distribution seeing it | Jun 10 15:17 |
| mether | any ideas? | Jun 10 15:17 |
| nirik | there was a recent update that claimed to fix crashing... but didn't seem to make it better here. | Jun 10 15:18 |
| mether | ok | Jun 10 15:18 |
| mether | how much are we in touch with upstream and other distribution xfce maintainers? | Jun 10 15:19 |
| mether | in general, not just specific to these crashes | Jun 10 15:19 |
| nirik | bug 433174 is the squeeze review BTW | Jun 10 15:19 |
| bugbot_ | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=433174 medium, medium, ---, Christoph Wickert, ASSIGNED , Review Request: squeeze - A modern and advanced archive manager for the Xfce Desktop Environment | Jun 10 15:19 |
| nirik | I am on all the upstream lists... but I don't post there too much... | Jun 10 15:19 |
| nirik | note that squeeze and ristretto are not part of core Xfce. | Jun 10 15:20 |
| mether | well not much is | Jun 10 15:20 |
| nirik | yeah. | Jun 10 15:20 |
| mether | I dont mind us waiting till we get the crashes fixed before putting them in the repo or the spin | Jun 10 15:21 |
| mether | i see both xubuntu and the new Mandriva Xfce live cd ship these as default however | Jun 10 15:21 |
| nirik | yeah, might be worth looking at if they have patches for the issues we are seeing, but have not upstreamed them. | Jun 10 15:22 |
| mether | patches in all xfce related packages for other distros is something we need to keep an eye on | Jun 10 15:22 |
| mether | i see lots of patches in other distributions and dont know their upstream status | Jun 10 15:23 |
| cwickert | I'm in contact with some of the goodies devs, but none of them is maintainer I think | Jun 10 15:23 |
| nirik | sure. Would be nice if there was an easy way to find those instead of poking around in each place... | Jun 10 15:23 |
| nirik | ok, shall we move on to looking forward for f10? | Jun 10 15:24 |
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| ---nirik has changed the topic to: Xfce SIG - F10 ideas | Jun 10 15:24 | |
| mether | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/TrackingUpstream | Jun 10 15:24 |
| mether | thats the best thing we got now | Jun 10 15:24 |
| nirik | sadly, I seem to be seeing the DNS snafu here and fedoraproject.org isn't resolving right now. ;( I can look later tho. | Jun 10 15:25 |
| mether | is there any plans upstream for a new Xfce release? | Jun 10 15:25 |
| nirik | 4.6 is in progress, but I wouldn't count on anything in the F10 timeframe. | Jun 10 15:25 |
| mether | so what are the ideas for Fedora 10? | Jun 10 15:26 |
| nirik | we should finish getting the fedora icon for the menu... | Jun 10 15:26 |
| nirik | any other appearance/look changes done (eariler this time) | Jun 10 15:26 |
| cwickert | xfce 4.6 is scheduled for 28th of September 2008 | Jun 10 15:26 |
| cwickert | according to http://wiki.xfce.org/milestones_to_46 | Jun 10 15:27 |
| nirik | well, they were trying to schedule. I don't know that they really got buy in from everyone on that. | Jun 10 15:27 |
| nirik | when is f10 feature freeze? do we know yet? | Jun 10 15:28 |
| mether | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/10/Schedule | Jun 10 15:29 |
| mether | 2008-08-19 | Jun 10 15:29 |
| cwickert | so it is most likely that 4.6 will not make it into F10 | Jun 10 15:30 |
| mether | yes, I think we can assume it wouldn't | Jun 10 15:31 |
| nirik | sorry, phone | Jun 10 15:32 |
| cwickert | F10 devel freeze is only two days after the planned release of 4.6 which is a very small time frame | Jun 10 15:32 |
| mether | well if the release is just the matter of tagging the same content, then it is ok | Jun 10 15:33 |
| mether | it depends on how well upstream as well as Fedora stick to their schedules | Jun 10 15:34 |
| mether | if we can introduce a new release earlier in the development cycle, we can safely tag it close to or even slightly after a feature freeze | Jun 10 15:34 |
| mether | Xfce upstream release schedules so far appear to be pretty ad-hoc so I wouldnt rely on that too much yet | Jun 10 15:35 |
| cwickert | the problem with xfce 4.6 is that they will micrate from xfce-mcs-manager to a new settings framework called xfconf | Jun 10 15:35 |
| cwickert | it will take some time till all plugins etc are ported | Jun 10 15:36 |
| mether | upstream xfce should take a closer look at dconf and gio. we cant really influence that much | Jun 10 15:38 |
| mether | what about suspend/resume support? | Jun 10 15:39 |
| mether | any way to tackle that for Fedora 10? | Jun 10 15:39 |
| cwickert | long term plan is to write an own app called xfpower | Jun 10 15:40 |
| mether | other distros seemed to have hacked in g-p-m or something meanwhile | Jun 10 15:41 |
| nirik | sorry, emerg from client. ;( Off phone now. | Jun 10 15:41 |
| cwickert | by now we have the following options: a) gnome-power-manager b) battery applet 4 Xfce4 panel from http://ali.slackware.googlepages.com/ or c) the hal based branch of xfce4-battery applet | Jun 10 15:42 |
| nirik | I think for 4.6 we will need to just watch and see where we are in the cycle when they start getting close to releases... I really suspect it won't make F10 tho. | Jun 10 15:42 |
| cwickert | b) works fine for me but seems to be stalled upstream, because the maintainer did not know of c) when we wrote it | Jun 10 15:42 |
| cwickert | nirik: agreed, we only can wait for releases | Jun 10 15:43 |
| nirik | there was also a GSoC plan to get someone to work on a xfpower, but Xfce got turned down this year... so that didn't happen. | Jun 10 15:44 |
| cwickert | really? I did not know that | Jun 10 15:44 |
| nirik | http://wiki.xfce.org/gsoc-2008-ideas | Jun 10 15:44 |
| mether | which of the options is good for us to pick? | Jun 10 15:44 |
| mether | at this point | Jun 10 15:45 |
| mether | rather than waiting for a long time for upstream to develop a solution | Jun 10 15:45 |
| cwickert | I did some testing with the battery applet 4 Xfce4 panel and for me it works fine. you can grab a package from http://cwickert.fedorapeople.org/xfce4/battery-applet-4-xfce4-0.9-1.fc10.src.rpm | Jun 10 15:45 |
| nirik | perhaps we should all evaluate the options and decide after looking at them? I haven't really looked at them all... | Jun 10 15:46 |
| cwickert | the hal based xfce4-battery-plugin will not be released before Xfce 4.6 | Jun 10 15:46 |
| nirik | is this yet another one: http://svn.xfce.org/svn/kelnos/xfce-power-manager/trunk/ ? | Jun 10 15:47 |
| mether | that seems | Jun 10 15:47 |
| mether | a abandoned fork of g-p-m | Jun 10 15:47 |
| cwickert | interesting... | Jun 10 15:47 |
| cwickert | will take a look at it later, for now I agree with Kevin that we should evaluate all options first and decide on them later | Jun 10 15:48 |
| cwickert | any other plans for F10? | Jun 10 15:49 |
| mether | ok then | Jun 10 15:49 |
| cwickert | xfburn 0.3 was released last week | Jun 10 15:49 |
| cwickert | I have started to package it but unfortunately it needs a newer libburn, so I filed a RFE | Jun 10 15:49 |
| mether | ok btw | Jun 10 15:50 |
| mether | brasero | Jun 10 15:50 |
| cwickert | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=450264 | Jun 10 15:50 |
| bugbot_ | Bug 450264: low, low, ---, Jesse Keating, NEW , RFE: Please upgrade to 0.4.8 | Jun 10 15:50 |
| mether | has dropped some spurious dependencies in the latest svn branch | Jun 10 15:50 |
| f13 | cwickert: whoops, I saw that, I'll get on that soon | Jun 10 15:50 |
| f13 | cwickert: like tomorrow perhaps | Jun 10 15:50 |
| nirik | any news on the icon in fedora-logos? | Jun 10 15:50 |
| cwickert | f13 thanks | Jun 10 15:50 |
| *nirik should have cc'ed on that bug... | Jun 10 15:50 | |
| f13 | cwickert: actually, I thikn that package has cvsextras commit access, you're welcome to update it if I don't get there first | Jun 10 15:50 |
| cwickert | ok, I can commit the changes I made locally but it needs some more testing | Jun 10 15:51 |
| f13 | cool | Jun 10 15:51 |
| cwickert | nirik: unfortunatly not, but | Jun 10 15:52 |
| cwickert | the bug is already filed | Jun 10 15:52 |
| nirik | yeah, just added myself to cc on it. | Jun 10 15:52 |
| cwickert | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=445986 | Jun 10 15:52 |
| bugbot_ | Bug 445986: low, low, ---, David Zeuthen, NEW , RFE: Include a fedora logo for the Xfce panel | Jun 10 15:52 |
| cwickert | you are not cc'ed there | Jun 10 15:52 |
| nirik | reload it? I am now. | Jun 10 15:53 |
| cwickert | ok, just needed to refresh the page | Jun 10 15:53 |
| nirik | ok, shall we move on? | Jun 10 15:53 |
| cwickert | yes. more ideas for F10? | Jun 10 15:54 |
| ---nirik has changed the topic to: Xfce SIG - recruiting new folks | Jun 10 15:54 | |
| nirik | I don't have any more F10 ideas off the top of my head... | Jun 10 15:54 |
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| cwickert | ok, move on then | Jun 10 15:54 |
| nirik | I would like to try and get some more folks interested... would be good to get some docs and/or triage people interested... or just end users that provide feedback. | Jun 10 15:55 |
| nirik | any thoughts on how to do that? | Jun 10 15:55 |
| cwickert | I have a coulple of xfce users at the german fedoraforum.de whom I usually ask for feedback | Jun 10 15:55 |
| nirik | there are a few on #fedora I help out occasionally. | Jun 10 15:56 |
| cwickert | but noone of them is a fedora contributor, so I think I have to convince them to become one | Jun 10 15:56 |
| nirik | even just ideas/feedback on things that they would like to see might be good... | Jun 10 15:56 |
| nirik | I can try and ping #fedora and #fedora-devel before meetings, and perhaps advertise in the mailing lists again,. | Jun 10 15:57 |
| cwickert | yeah, especially feedback in bugzilla would help. will start a call at fedoraforum.de | Jun 10 15:57 |
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| nirik | do we want to do weekly or bi-weekly meetings? | Jun 10 15:57 |
| mether | bi weekly should be enough | Jun 10 15:58 |
| cwickert | +1 IMO bi-weekly meetings are enough, we could switch to weekly meetings when it gets more | Jun 10 15:58 |
| nirik | sounds good to me. | Jun 10 15:58 |
| nirik | any further business? | Jun 10 15:58 |
| ---nirik has changed the topic to: Xfce SIG - open floor | Jun 10 15:59 | |
| cwickert | some more status reports | Jun 10 15:59 |
| cwickert | places plugin with support for mountpoints with UUID has been released, will do the update tonight | Jun 10 15:59 |
| cwickert | well, if the buildsys is available | Jun 10 16:00 |
| nirik | cool! | Jun 10 16:00 |
| cwickert | that's all I have, I think the rest is on good shape | Jun 10 16:00 |
| nirik | excellent. Thanks for coming. Hopefully we will have more folks next time. | Jun 10 16:01 |
| nirik | I will add the log to the wiki whenever I can reach it again... unless one of you wants to beat me to it. | Jun 10 16:02 |
| nirik | --- Xfce SIG meeting end -- | Jun 10 16:02 |
| cwickert | can you also write the meeting minutes? | Jun 10 16:02 |
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| nirik | sure. | Jun 10 16:03 |
| cwickert | thanks | Jun 10 16:03 |
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