QA/Meetings/20090408

= Attendees =


 * Will Woods (wwoods)
 * Adam Williamson (adamw)
 * James Laska (jlaska)
 * Jesse Keating (f13)

= Previous meeting follow-up =


 * [jlaska+adamw] mediawiki semantic update (packaging and hosting)
 * REVIEWED - 490001 - Review Request: mediawiki-semantic - The semantic extension to mediawiki
 * UNDER REVIEW - 490171 - Review Request: mediawiki-semantic-forms - An extension to MediaWiki that adds support for web-based forms
 * User:tibbs posted some additional concerns for mediawiki-semantic-forms around licensing which I haven't followed up on yet
 * request infrastructure hosting


 * [f13] - autoqa: work on monitor for post-tree-compose
 * We can mark this as "done".
 * we have a monitor script that watches for new rawhide trees and calls autoqa accordingly
 * it's a bit hardcoded for a path, but that's fine for now


 * [wwoods] - autoqa: work on better (clearer) reporting from existing tests
 * at the moment we're just working on getting the reporting to actually happen
 * but yeah, the emails from e.g. repoclosure are kind of verbose


 * [adamw] - will file a F10 bug for the syslinux issue, initiate discussion with pjones or jeremy for building a updated F10 package
 * bug was filed, marked as a dupe, we added an entry to the release notes
 * i think last time i saw the bug a workaround was being worked on...
 * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492370


 * [jlaska] - check-in with Warren Togami on the rawhidewatch blog ... can Fedora QA help ... what is his vision?
 * I spoke with warren this morning about http://rawhidewatch.wordpress.com and what his idea/plan is around the blog. The summary is Warren intends for the blog to be a low traffic blog that includes imformation on non-obvious (potentially high-impact) problems affecting rawhide users.  Warren indicated he will act as editory of the blog and accept story submissions
 * adamw: i sent him a suggestion for it (to add a note on the nss issue that caught out some x86-64 users and broke rpm); he basically told me 'patches welcome', i.e. write an entry and he'll post it :) i was going to do that but haven't had time yet


 * [jlaska+wwoods] - discuss integration between lab-in-a-box and autoqa
 * I failed on this one, wwoods and I spoke about it briefly, but I have not scheduled time to chat yet. I'm still trying to figure out how best to plug the 'lab-in-a-box' into some framework.  I don't have a good sense yet whether that's autoqa, something beaker-like, ... or something new that uses f13's watch script.  basically looking for a way to automate rawhide installations ... and post the results (all in a virt guest).  The missing pieces for me are the scheduler (something that tells it when to start), and results reporting (something that gathers the existing results and does _something_)
 * if folks have suggestions, please do drop me a line

= Autoqa update =


 * jkeating completed the rawhide watch script that launches autoqa when rawhide is updated. jkeating plans to hand off work to the QA team and focus on a message bug implementation.


 * Next steps:
 * continue improving existing test reporting
 * interim goal of sending automated test result mails to autoqa-results
 * wwoods suggested there are fixes that he would like to get into upstream beaker
 * reach out to pmuller for information on packaging rhtslib

= F-11 Status =

User:jlaska requested some discussion around the schedule and the current planned QA activites for F-11

User:jkeating reminded the Snapshot#1 is scheduled for Friday (see http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/f-11-releng-tasks.html)
 * f13 reported that i386 image creation is broken which may impact snap#1 (see https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-April/msg00535.html). He is working with jakub to get a build of glibc that may fix this

User:jlaska asked ... we have 1 month remaining before the final F-11 compose. What can we be doing better between now and that date?
 * There are several Test Days planned (including anaconda storage testing part#2) ... see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/F11.
 * BugZapper triage events every Tuesday
 * Adamw indicated two new members joined the BugZapper group this week
 * f13 recommended we provide a new test results page earlier (e.g. QA:Fedora_11_Beta_Install_Test_Results)
 * jlaska will create a new page for use with next weeks Anaconda Storage Test Day
 * wwoods expressed concerns around pulseaudio bugs, notably rhbug:472339. lennart is aware of the problems and assisting with debugging.  They are seeking assistance from jaroslav (alsa).
 * several others indicated they are having sound (or no sound) problems
 * There are also reports of DRI memory leaks - http://www.mail-archive.com/xorg@lists.freedesktop.org/msg06116.html
 * f13 recommended scheduling several F11Blocker bug review meetings
 * jlaska will get these scheduled
 * adamw can solicit QA and BugZapper assistance during these meetings
 * f13 also recommended someone look at Live image creation+installs

= Open discussion =

Fedora Board Meeting Update
User:jkeating asked how useful was the board meeting yesterday?


 * f13 noted I think the board was was happy to hear about the status, but I was more concerned with the community at large
 * jlaska noted it was nice to hear that some of the community events (test+triage days) are being received well
 * If follow-up is requested or additional information needed, please pass along to User:jlaska

Test Day Live Image Kickstart
User:jlaska referenced recent fedora-test-list discussion around improving the Test Day live image experience. He has been looking at making a simple live image kickstart to place into the spin-kickstarts package so that others can also build and host Test Day live images.
 * wwoods suggested included debugging tools (gdb/strace/ltrace) in the live image
 * adamw advised keeping it simple ... make sure it's not something that starts eating up too much time
 * f13 recommended a kickstart structure like: livecd-base -> livecd-testday-base ->

= Upcoming QA events =
 * 2009-04-09 - UEFI
 * 2009-04-14 - BugZappers/Triage_days
 * 2009-04-14 - Anaconda Storage Rewrite part#2
 * 2009-04-16 - Yum presto

= Action items =


 * [jlaska] - reach out to pmuller on packaging rhtslib
 * [adamw] - send details of nss rawhide issue to warren for posting to rawhidewatch.wordpress.com
 * [jlaska] - talk to poelcat about adding a few F11Blocker review meetings to the schedule
 * requested a review before and after final development freeze
 * [adamw] - review Test Day X11 bugs to ensure they are represented on F11Blocker

= Next QA meeting =

The next meeting will be held on 2009-04-15 16:00 UTC

= IRC Transcript =

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