Meeting:Docs IRC log 20070821

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">  IRCLog-FDSCo-2007-08-21.log    IRCLog-FDSCo-2007-08-21.log package with pointers to that page? 09:18  couf what was in the package for T1? 09:19  quaid dunno 09:19 <tr id="t09:20"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- jmbuser [n=jmbuser@195.229.24.83] has quit [Remote closed the connection]  09:20</a> <tr id="t09:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but one thing that happened on F7t1 was people looked in the ISO and wondered where the content was, so we need pointers from there, i think 09:20</a> <tr id="t09:20"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid tosses a quarter in the 'buy jmbuser a better country to get broadband from' fund jar 09:20</a> <tr id="t09:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf <td class="text" style="color: #42427e">right, so say we add a small .txt in the top-dir which point to f8t2/relnotes 09:21</a> <tr id="t09:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">or do we want to update the default browser page? 09:21</a> <tr id="t09:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf <td class="text" style="color: #42427e">hmm yeah, that's part of the package :-/ 09:22</a> <tr id="t09:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">how about this ... 09:23</a> <tr id="t09:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">let's push that decision to Paul to review when updating the package paths and such with jesse 09:23</a> <tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf <td class="text" style="color: #42427e">aye, maybe best 09:24</a> <tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok then 09:24</a> <tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we need to get started on the Beats 09:24</a> <tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and that may dovetail into the overall "activating contributors" discussion 09:25</a> <tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but at the least, a reminder to beat writers to fire up their keyboards ... 09:25</a> <tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">FWN has been great at this; the weekly beat updating is coo 09:25</a> <tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">cool 09:25</a> <tr id="t09:25"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- jmbuser [n=jmbuser@195.229.24.83] has joined #fedora-docs  09:25</a> <tr id="t09:26"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- jmbuser [n=jmbuser@195.229.24.83] has quit [Remote closed the connection]  <a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a> <tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos <td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, really cool. <a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a> <tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that's all i have on that topic <a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a> <tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">just hoping to broaden help there <a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a> <tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">get Testing and RelEng and f-maintainers to actually contribute <a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a> <tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, next is the IG ... <a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a> <tr id="t09:27"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- jmbuser_ [n=jmbuser@195.229.24.83] has joined #fedora-docs  <a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a> <tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos <td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, sending reminders is always a good idea I guess <a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a> <tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">here's what I'm thinking on that, and I need to take this on list but here's the warning alvo <a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a> <tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">s/alvo/salvo/ <a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a> <tr id="t09:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I think the only things we can commit to for 8 are relnotes + IG <a href="#t09:28" class="time">09:28</a> <tr id="t09:28"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid sees black text there, that was weird <a href="#t09:28" class="time">09:28</a> <tr id="t09:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I think the only things we can commit to for F8 are relnotes + IG <a href="#t09:28" class="time">09:28</a> <tr id="t09:29"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- jmbuser_ [n=jmbuser@195.229.24.83] has quit [Remote closed the connection]  <a href="#t09:29" class="time">09:29</a> <tr id="t09:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">sorry, had a Ctrl+F in there :) <a href="#t09:29" class="time">09:29</a> <tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anyway <a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a>  <tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos <td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, does the DUG need updating for F8? <a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a>  <tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">dude <a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a>  <tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it needs updating for _F7_ <a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a>  <tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">this is no skin on the people involved <a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a> <tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">this is across the whole project <a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a> <tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we have mainly failed to be able to maintain full guides <a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a> <tr id="t09:31"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- JonRob [n=jon@88-111-164-189.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #fedora-docs  <a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a> <tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos <td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, what I meant was that it's kind of a non-release-specific doc. <a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a> <tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos <td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, agreed on that <a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a> <tr id="t09:31"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- couf_ [n=bart@fedora/couf] has joined #fedora-docs  <a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a> <tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">my hope is that opening the Wiki to more contributors will help with the small one-off, how-to, and maybe we'll be able to draw from that somehow <a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a> <tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">glezos: well, yes, but there are always changes that need to be tweaked across release <a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a> <tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> couf_ <td class="text" style="color: #488888">sorry, power failed here <a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a> <tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos <td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, right <a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a> <tr id="t09:31"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- couf [n=bart@fedora/couf] has quit [Nick collision from services.]  <a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a> <tr id="t09:32"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- couf_ is now known as couf <a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a> <tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but i think as a project, the only things we've proven ourselves consistently able to deliver are: <a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a> <tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">* release notes <a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a> <tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">* installation guide <a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a> <tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">* really freaking awesome tools <a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a> <tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and that is all a testament to the interests of the people involved <a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a> <tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so I'm tempted to just work with that for this release <a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a> <tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anyway, like i said, a good topic for the list <a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a> <tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">just heads up to what I'm personally thinking/feeling <a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a> <tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so, on to more interesting stuff <a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a> <tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it appears we are near the end of "Summer" for the various coding projects <a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a> <tr id="t09:34"><td class="action" colspan="2">* couf needs to run for a while, will keep watching though <a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a> <tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">my major concern is helping everyone finish successful <a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a> <tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">*fully <a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a> <tr id="t09:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">vpv: what do you need from the mentor side? what is the timing/schedule we are working with? <a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a> <tr id="t09:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">glezos: I think I know what GSoC needs from me; how do you think things are going? <a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a> <tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">nman64: daMaestro isn't around, but let us know if you need anything from this group for the GSoC stuff <a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a> <tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos <td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, my goals in terms of development were reached a while ago <a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a> <tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> vpv <td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">quaid: I'm having some problems with DocBook, other than that, it seems to be alright. I have time at least until August 31, probably even a couple of days after that <a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a> <tr id="t09:36"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- wfoster [i=wfoster@nat/redhat/x-330892ca034367aa] has joined #fedora-docs  <a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a> <tr id="t09:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">glezos: yeah, you make it easy for me <a href="#t09:37" class="time">09:37</a> <tr id="t09:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos <td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, deployment might take some time to make sure security is OK <a href="#t09:37" class="time">09:37</a> <tr id="t09:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok <a href="#t09:37" class="time">09:37</a> <tr id="t09:38"><td class="action" colspan="2">* glezos notes that GSoC says that students should be judged for their code as it was on August 20 <a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a> <tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> nman64 <td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">quaid: daMaestro sent me what he had yesterday. I'll be reviewing it ASAP. <a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a> <tr id="t09:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos <td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, I'll do a fresh install of transifex to make sure the install instructions are ok and let you know to check the code out. <a href="#t09:39" class="time">09:39</a> <tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">glezos: thanks <a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a> <tr id="t09:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we have a transifex user for Fedora? or one for testing? <a href="#t09:41" class="time">09:41</a> <tr id="t09:41"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid wants to setup locally and commit from here <a href="#t09:41" class="time">09:41</a> <tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I can also use e.g. another SVN I own as a test spot; set it up to be an upstream for a translator <a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a> <tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, that's cool then ... <a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a> <tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos <td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, no transifex user for Fedora. <a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a> <tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos <td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, transifex initializes 4 local repos to play with <a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a> <tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok,cool <a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a> <tr id="t09:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">moving on .... <a href="#t09:43" class="time">09:43</a> <tr id="t09:43"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid waits a second or two first <a href="#t09:43" class="time">09:43</a> <tr id="t09:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so on to election stuff <a href="#t09:44" class="time">09:44</a> <tr id="t09:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so, the irony is ... <a href="#t09:44" class="time">09:44</a> <tr id="t09:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">no one seems to have the time to work on making an election happen <a href="#t09:45" class="time">09:45</a> <tr id="t09:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">which means we are all derelict of duty and should resign as unable to fulfill our duties as leaders <a href="#t09:45" class="time">09:45</a> <tr id="t09:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">which means an election would be needed to fill the seats <a href="#t09:45" class="time">09:45</a> <tr id="t09:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos <td class="text" style="color: #854685">lol <a href="#t09:45" class="time">09:45</a> <tr id="t09:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">etc. ... <a href="#t09:45" class="time">09:45</a> <tr id="t09:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'd bring this up on list, but I'm getting a little tire of only talking with Paul and Rahul on there <a href="#t09:46" class="time">09:46</a> <tr id="t09:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">s/tire/tired/ <a href="#t09:46" class="time">09:46</a> <tr id="t09:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos <td class="text" style="color: #854685">elections every 6 months are probably a bit overkill <a href="#t09:46" class="time">09:46</a> <tr id="t09:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">maybe so <a href="#t09:46" class="time">09:46</a> <tr id="t09:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos <td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, do you think it might help it we asked people what do they think we are doing wrong as a project? <a href="#t09:48" class="time">09:48</a> <tr id="t09:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hmm ... well, yes, but ... <a href="#t09:48" class="time">09:48</a> <tr id="t09:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos <td class="text" style="color: #854685">or, to rephrase, what we could do better? What prevents them from contributing and participating? <a href="#t09:48" class="time">09:48</a> <tr id="t09:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">will people only read it if that is the Subject:? <a href="#t09:48" class="time">09:48</a> <tr id="t09:48"><td class="action" colspan="2">* couf returns <a href="#t09:48" class="time">09:48</a> <tr id="t09:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">because it looks to me like there has been such discussion on list <a href="#t09:48" class="time">09:48</a> <tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">glezos: could you drop a quick email with that question? might as well ask it straight out <a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a> <tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and maybe we are trying to do too much or with too many tools or something, I dunno <a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a> <tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos <td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, ok, was thinking of suggesting that <a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a> <tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos <td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, and too few active contributors <a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a> <tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah <a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a> <tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we have enough folks here right now to vote to postpone elections, I reckon <a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a> <tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">couf, EvilBob - the question on the table is, should we postpone the elections until the next yearly cycle, figuring that 6 months is too often for FDP? <a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a> <tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we discussed this initially and weren't sure then, either <a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a> <tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> EvilBob <td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">quaid: +1 <a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a> <tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf <td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: +1 <a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a> <tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> glezos <td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid, +1 <a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a> <tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">fwiw, we can still elect a new chair :) <a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a> <tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, +1 from me since I proposed it :) <a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a> <tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> EvilBob <td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">I have just been swamped here again to ge the leg work done <a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a> <tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> EvilBob <td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">Just when I think I will have 20 minutes to get it going anything comes up <a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a> <tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'd rather our energy on what matters for the release <a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a> <tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that after all is the Prime Imperative <a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a> <tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, that was easy <a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a> <tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> EvilBob <td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">-1 on new chair <a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a> <tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I propose we take the discussion about activating contributors to the list <a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a> <tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">EvilBob: I see the plan, keep me too busy to resign? <a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a> <tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> couf <td class="text" style="color: #42427e">+1 to the plan :-) <a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a> <tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">... and with that discussion moving, we can either AOB or close the meeting <a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a>  <tr id="t09:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> EvilBob <td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">new chair should happen after the election that should have happened last week, with that getting pushed 6 more months I think the chair has to wait also <a href="#t09:54" class="time">09:54</a>  <tr id="t09:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> EvilBob <td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">quaid: however If you need to step down none of us will hold it against you <a href="#t09:54" class="time">09:54</a> <tr id="t09:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, I didn't propose it yet, but I get the point that time is passing <a href="#t09:55" class="time">09:55</a> <tr id="t09:55"><td class="action" colspan="2">* EvilBob motions to close the meeting <a href="#t09:55" class="time">09:55</a> <tr id="t09:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">2nd! <a href="#t09:55" class="time">09:55</a> <tr id="t09:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">5 ... <a href="#t09:55" class="time">09:55</a> <tr id="t09:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">4 ... <a href="#t09:55" class="time">09:55</a> <tr id="t09:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">3 ... <a href="#t09:55" class="time">09:55</a> <tr id="t09:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">2 ... <a href="#t09:55" class="time">09:55</a> <tr id="t09:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">psyche! <a href="#t09:55" class="time">09:55</a> <tr id="t09:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">&lt;/meeting&gt; <a href="#t09:55" class="time">09:55</a>
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