QA/Meetings/20100628

= Attendees =

People present (lines said):
 * jlaska (113)
 * kparal (70)
 * adamw (64)
 * j_dulaney (38)
 * wwoods (35)
 * Oxf13 (9)
 * jskladan (7)
 * Viking-Ice (7)
 * skvidal (6)
 * zodbot (5)
 * hicham (5)
 * chenrano2002 (5)
 * ianweller (4)
 * jraber (2)

Regrets:
 * liam
 * rhe

= Agenda =
 * Proposed meeting agenda
 * MeetBot summary

Previous meeting follow-up

 * 1) adamw to forward wwoods a good explanation of the nss-softokn problem scenario to ensure autoqa catches it in future
 * See https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-June/000703.html
 * 1) wwoods to evaluate nss-softokn dependency problem for proper 'depcheck' coverage
 * 2) Viking-Ice will start 'how to debug systemd problems' guide and send to list for review
 * See User:Johannbg/QA/Systemd
 * 1) robatino to ask infrastructure team to archive previous RCs/TCs
 * 2) jlaska to review F14 test day wiki content
 * QA/Fedora_14_test_days, Talk:QA/Fedora_14_test_days, Category:Fedora_14_Test_Days
 * 1) jlaska to create a ticket about possible enhancement/new test case for ABI stability check
 * 2) jlaska to cleanup (or remove) the Critical Path Packages#Background section so that it provides _some_ value
 * 1) jlaska to cleanup (or remove) the Critical Path Packages#Background section so that it provides _some_ value
 * 1) jlaska to cleanup (or remove) the Critical Path Packages#Background section so that it provides _some_ value

F14 QA Recommendations

 * Owner - User:Jlaska
 * Summary
 * Jlaska organized Fedora_13_QA_Retrospective feedback into a list of QA recommendations for Fedora 14.
 * Jlaska filed tickets for improvements, see https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/milestone/Fedora%2014


 * Next steps...
 * 1) If you are looking for a way to get involved in Fedora QA ... start here
 * 2) Don't see something you'd like to work on ...

Proventester Update

 * Owner - User:Maxamillion, User:Adamwill
 * Summary
 * Adam Miller announced that the proventesters wiki page (QA/JoinProvenTesters) is no longer a draft.
 * There are several TRAC requests to join the proventesters group.
 * User:Adamwill drafted proventester instructions and sent to the list for review.


 * Next steps
 * Review and finalize adamw's proventesters instructions document (see User:Adamwill/Draft_proventesters_instructions)
 * Waiting on feedback from lmacken on the status of https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/ticket/424 and re-enabling proventester karma for critpath packages

Automate Package Update Acceptance Test Plan

 * Owner - User:wwoods
 * Summary
 * The immediate goal is to automate the QA:Package_Update_Acceptance_Test_Plan. The team met and discussed task priorities and agreed on the following prioritization


 * Next steps...
 * jlaska working with infrastructure on several tasks
 * 1)  - route http://autoqa.fedoraproject.org -> qa01
 * 2)  - create mysql database for autotest on db1
 * 3)  = Limit access to test systems qa01.c.fp.org through qa06.c.fp.org
 * 4) jlaska - set up another private virtual autotest-server
 * 5) jlaska - find a machine where resultdb may run (it can be VM, publicly accessible preferred)
 * 6) jskladan, wwoods - bodhi hook needs to be tested --
 * 7)  - Create a helloworld test for use with testing hook
 * 8) standardization of hook argument names will be discussed soon

Resultdb

 * Owner - User:jskladan
 * Summary
 * Test instance up'n'running on one of our machines
 * Rewrote initscripts & rpmlint tests (see jskladan branch in autoqa git) so they store the result data inside.
 * Rewrote initscripts & rpmlint tests (see jskladan branch in autoqa git) so they store the result data inside.


 * Next steps...
 * 1) Finish updating other tests to store results in resultdb
 * 2) Setup autotest-server instance to use these tests
 * 3) Once results are posted into resultsdb ... start working on a front-end

Labels

 * Owner - User:kparal
 * Summary
 * - Implement *quick* virtualization support to allow for destructive tests
 * Kparal created a labels git branch to track development (see [https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-June/000742.html

announcement]) discussion])
 * Next steps...
 * 1) Determine format of labels to use (see [https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-June/000740.html
 * 1) Complete script to help manage virtual guests that will be used by the labels

= Open discussion -  =

colleges to help testing

 * Owner - User:j_dulaney
 * Summary
 * idea: get various small technical and comunity colleges to help with testing


 * Next steps ...
 * 1) dulaney will ask if the instructor's interested, and point to the QA/Join page for ideas - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Join
 * 2) Adamw offered QA help if there are any questions or interest

Knowledge base

 * Owner - User:jkeating
 * Summary
 * Jkeating asked the group if a Fedora Knowledge Base would be useful to your efforts?
 * The team discussed the idea of a knowledge base, but there wasn't anything tangible to offer feedback on


 * Next steps ...
 * 1) Continue to refine the idea/proposal

= Upcoming QA events =


 * 2010-07-08 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #1
 * 2010-07-15 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #2
 * 2010-07-22 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #3
 * 2010-07-23 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (f14alpha) #1
 * 2010-07-30 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (f14alpha) #2

= Action items =


 * 1) jlaska to cleanup (or remove) the Critical Path Packages#Background section so that it provides _some_ value
 * 2) j_dulaney to draft a combined proventesters / joinproventesters wiki page for list review
 * 3) wwoods to evaluate nss-softokn dependency problem for proper 'depcheck' coverage

= IRC Transcript =

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