QA/Meetings/20100201

= Attendees =

People present (lines said)
 * jlaska (163)
 * kparal (48)
 * adamw (45)
 * wwoods (31)
 * Oxf13 (23)
 * maxamillion (7)
 * nirik (4)
 * zodbot (3)
 * skvidal (2)
 * poelcat (1)

Regrets:


 * User:liam
 * User:rhe

= Agenda =
 * Proposed meeting agenda
 * meetbot summary

Previous meeting follow-up

 * 1) jlaska to add bugzilla shared query links to Common_Bugs wiki page
 * 2) * beland added links to Common_F13_bugs page
 * 3) wwoods and kparal to talk about design ideas
 * 4) * No discussion took place yet, but kparal noted he'd like to have a small group meet and discuss requirements. Wwoods agreed and suggested outlining some requirements and goals before we start looking at tools/implementations
 * 5) adamw update on security policy
 * 6) * Sent to devel@f.fp.org list for review from a wider audience (see http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-January/129978.html)
 * 7) * Will continue to monitor feedback and adjust drafts as needed

Release validation wiki updates
rhe and awilliam coordinated to improve the wiki presence of several release validation efforts, including installation test and desktop sanity test. Adamw gave a quick update noting that so far we've added the installation validation testing wiki page (QA:Installation_validation_testing), a a desktop validation testing wiki page, which is still full of duct tape (QA:Desktop_validation_testing), and modified the QA/Join page to mention this testing (QA/Join).

Jlaska asked if we should change the install-specific nature of the QA schedule to reference the more all-encompassing release validation efforts. Adam agreed.

Adam concluded noting there will be other types of validation we could do in future; there's already a couple of criteria we can test that don't really come under installation or desktop groups.

Rawhide Acceptance Testing
Last week, 2010-01-28 was the second pre-Alpha rawhide acceptance test milestone. Jkeating and dlehman coordinated to do a second compose (see rel-eng ticket#3292). Install images were built and posted on alt.fedoraproject.org. Since AutoQA doesn't yet monitor this location for new install images, tests were initiated manually.

Test Summary:
 * Automated rats_install PASS (note bug#559597 prevents initramfs creation)
 * AutoQA updates supports split URL compose now (using stage2= and repo=)
 * Results available at Test_Results:Fedora_13_Rawhide_Acceptance_Test_2.

Next Steps:
 * Fix AutoQA post-tree-compose hook to monitor for RAT droppings (see ticket#115)
 * 2010-02-04 test run

Questions/Concerns:
 * Jkeating asked what does 'last known good' (LKG) mean? - Does it mean that the install images and package source are good? Jlaska felt that for QA, it means here's we tested a particular install image and package set, and it was good.  Adamw offered to help document this on the wiki, but asked for clarification/guidance once the mechanics have settled down.
 * Jlaska asked how do we know we're done with the 'last known good' (LKG) project?, Jkeating offered ...

 in my head there is a simple webpage that is maintained by QA    this webpage describes Last Known Good and the fact that rawhide no    longer has images of it's own  onthis page would be links to the install image files, and to the tree of packages it was found to be good with  with instructions on how to combine the two into an install  and finally notes that without picking a specific repo of packages, the images will attempt to install the latest repo of packages on the mirror system  which has not been validated, and may not work

Deps/conflicts prevention

 * Milestone - https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/autoqa%20depcheck
 * Owner - User:wwoods

Last week
 * wwoods working with skvidal and other rpm hackers to try and solve the depcheck problem
 * wwoods looking for help in doing the post-bodhi-update hook
 * kparal has code for generating fake RPMs for testing in git as rpmguard_test.py
 * Friday afternoon I got a working yum-based prototype of the depcheck code (see http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=autoqa.git;a=blob;f=tests/depcheck/depcheck)

This week
 * Build a testsuite to validate depchecks functionality (possibly using rpmfluff)

rpmguard and autoqa results collection

 * Milestone - https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/Package%20update%20tests
 * Owner - User:kparal

Last week
 * Address ticket#113 - skip checks against same package NVR
 * Address ticket#114 - locate latest previous package from stable and updates repos. Makes it easier to run the test manually at some future date.

This week
 * Initial brainstorming on results db ideas

install automation

 * Milestone - https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/Automate%20installation%20test%20plan
 * Owner - User:lili, User:rhe

Last week
 * Liam announced a DVD install test case to autoqa-devel list (see https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-January/000178.html)!

This week
 * Continue discussion around dvd-install test case and identify how to proceed

packaging/deployment

 * Milestone - https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/Packaging%20and%20Review
 * Owner - User:jlaska

Last week
 * Process akurtakov's feedback and remove all uncertain JAR files from the list (see User:Jlaska/gwt).

This week
 * Seek guidance from upstream GWT for ...
 * Cases where multiple versions of a JAR are bundled
 * Need for remaining bundled JARs? (see User:Jlaska/gwt)
 * Begin packaging JPackage JAR files for Fedora

Open discussion - 
= Upcoming QA events =


 * 2010-01-21 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #1
 * 2010-01-28 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #2
 * 2010-02-04 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #3
 * 2010-02-04 - NFSv4 Test Day
 * 2010-02-05 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (F13Alpha) #1
 * 2010-02-11 - Test Alpha 'Test Compose' (boot media testing)
 * 2010-02-12 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (F13Alpha) #2

= Action items =


 * 1) request zodbot tracking for updated F-13 QA RSS feeds (blocker bugs, common_bugs? etc...
 * 2) jlaska to organize a gobby meeting with wwoods+kparal to begin requirements/goal definition for a results db
 * 3) jlaska to discuss updating QA schedule with poelstra to reflect new 'release validation' focus
 * 4) jlaska and adamw to work on drafting a 'last known good' wiki page

= IRC transcript =

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