QA/Meetings/20091005

= Attendees =

People Present (lines said):
 * jlaska (111)
 * adamw (38)
 * wwoods (25)
 * Oxf13 (24)
 * kparal1 (17)
 * skvidal (15)
 * buggbot (5)
 * poelcat (4)
 * zodbot (2)
 * brunowolff_ (1)
 * Sir_Limpsalot (1)

Regrets:
 * Liam Li (lili)
 * He Rui (rhe)
 * David Pravec (dpravec)

= Agenda =


 * Proposed meeting agenda
 * meetbot summary

Preview Meeting follow-up
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-09-28/fedora-meeting.2009-09-28-16.00.html

Anaconda dependency follow-up
Adamw reminded the group that we hadn't yet followed up on the previous topic raised by dpravec around installer dependencies changing out from under it.

F13 noted that there were discussions with RHT management reminding folks that it was too late to make general (or feature) changes in F-12.

Jlaska asked what specific issues initiated this discussion. Adamw and f13 noted the recent nfs the lvm changes.

AutoQA update
Wwoods wired up the UI, so members of the 'qa' group can now add/remove test results for the manual tests (see [http://wwoods.fedorapeople.org/screenshots/irb.png screenshot). Also decided to defer:
 * 1) sweet ajax UI junk and
 * 2) automating the yum/network tests until after irb.com completes

Reminder of the current roadmap: https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/israwhidebroken.com. Current tasks include:
 * 1) get links back from israwhidebroken to autotest
 * 2) get it all running in production in public

Jlaska took an action item to sync up w/ mmcgrath to identify next steps when the AutoQA hardware arrives in PHX2.

Packagediff update
Next, kparal updated the group on his packagediff activities. The intention is to alert on important changes between packages, hopefully part of autoqa project in the future.

Currently working 2 tickets:
 * 1) https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/ticket/53 - Investigate what rpmdiff offers to our tests
 * 2) https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/ticket/54 - Write rpmdiff test

The code currently highlights changed dependencies, changed config files, changed file modes and such stuff. Wwoods suggested also falgging added/removed binaries.

Some discussion surfaced around whether Kparal's efforts were based on an older RHT internal project called 'rpmdiff'. Kparal's efforts are entirely based on the rpmlint implementation of rpmdiff. Kparal is currently waiting for some feedback on a few rpmdiff issues. Skvidal recommended reaching out to ville skytta.

F-12-Beta QA Readiness
Jlaska asked the team for help preparing for the upcoming Go/No Go decision at the upcoming rel-eng meeting. The team informally walked the remaining F12Beta blocker bugs.

F13 asked if any blocker bug candidates came out of the Test Day. Aside from it wasn't clear yet whether any of the recorded test day bugs (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-October/msg00058.html) where beta blockers. Jlaska took an action item to catch up with clumens to help review the list. So far, the only Test day bugs raised to the beta blocker list are:


 * ASSIGNED - Firstboot not run after installation
 * ASSIGNED - liveinst fails at partitioning screeen
 * CLOSED RAWHIDE - mdadm craps at boot

Adamw expressed concern around the missing panel icon bug noted on the list by Chuck Anderson (see https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-October/msg00058.html). Turns out this is. Mclasen already evaluated and recommended fixing this issue post-Beta.

Jlaska asked for wwoods and skvidal expertise on rhe's preupgrade. It's a bug in the F-11 package, but would potentially impact anyone using preupgrade to upgrade from F-11 to F-12. Skvidal intended to investigate the UI issue after the meeting.

Jlaska asked if should be moved into MODIFIED given a package was built and testing requested on fedora-devel-list (see https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-October/msg00154.html). Adamw asked what the policy is with regards to MODIFIED bugs. Does MODIFIED mean a package is built and a tag request is submitted? F13 proposed that MODIFIED means a fix is available, but not yet tested or included in the product. This seems to hold when adding the freeze 'tagging' procedure into the mix.

Upcoming QA events
Jlaska did a speedy walk through of upcoming QA related events


 * 2009-10-05 - F12 Beta go/no_go meeting (@ 18:00pm - rel-eng meeting)
 * 2009-10-06 - BugZappers/Meetings
 * 2009-10-07 - Beta Project Wide Release Readiness Meeting
 * 2009-10-08 - RAID Test Day
 * 2009-10-13 - F12 Beta availability

Open floor -
No open discussion topics were raised.

= Action items =


 * 1) jlaska to catch up with mmcgrath on delivery of autoqa hardware to PHX
 * 2) jlaska - sync-up with clumens to identify any blocking issues from https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-October/msg00073.html
 * 3) poelcat to check in on beta blocker status of 510249

= IRC transcript =

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