SIGs/Desktop/Meeting-20070906

= 2007 Sep 06 Desktop Meeting =

Log
Sep 05 14:01:27 	blizzard: around? Sep 05 14:01:35 	blizzard: you want to take le minutes? Sep 05 14:03:15 	okay, no blizzard Sep 05 14:03:20 	caillon: i can do minutes if you like Sep 05 14:03:20 -->	notting (n=notting@redhat/notting) has joined #fedora-meeting Sep 05 14:03:26 	poelcat: sweet, thanks Sep 05 14:03:43 	okay, welcome to another installment of the Desktop SIG meeting Sep 05 14:04:29 *	bpepple|lt grabs some popcorn, and takes a seat. Sep 05 14:04:39 	so, matthias sent out a bit of rough notes to fedora-desktop-list Sep 05 14:05:28 	there's a list of features which we can report on, hoping that there are people here to discuss them Sep 05 14:05:40 	bpepple|lt: share :-) Sep 05 14:05:47 	;) Sep 05 14:06:02 	okay first up is animated backgrounds Sep 05 14:06:20 	halfline: know whats up with that? Sep 05 14:06:49 	so in fedora 7 Sep 05 14:06:53 	or anyone else really, feel free to pipe in :-) Sep 05 14:06:57 	ssp wrote some code to support slide shows Sep 05 14:07:10 	the way that it works, is you supply a list of images and a start time Sep 05 14:07:19 	along with intervals for switching slides Sep 05 14:07:30 	throughout the day the wallpaper is changed to reflect the time of day Sep 05 14:07:51 	this feature went untested in fedora 7, and so for test 2, we decided to turn it on by default Sep 05 14:08:08 	halfline: neat. how does one test it? Sep 05 14:08:28 	if you create a new account, you should get it for free Sep 05 14:08:33 	otherwise, you can add it manually Sep 05 14:08:39 	by going to the gnome backgrounds capplet Sep 05 14:08:42 	clicking Add Sep 05 14:08:43 	halfline: yeah but how do you pick the backgrounds Sep 05 14:08:48 	ah ok Sep 05 14:08:53 	and then choosing /usr/share/backgrounds/infinity/infinity.xml Sep 05 14:09:03 	cool Sep 05 14:09:14 <--	tibbs has quit ("Konversation terminated!") Sep 05 14:09:20 	is there going to be some sort of browser for xml backgrounds? Sep 05 14:09:40 	notting: the background capplet plays the slideshow live in the thumbnail Sep 05 14:09:42 -->	mezcalero (n=mezcaler@tango.0pointer.de) has joined #fedora-meeting Sep 05 14:09:54 	notting: it probably makes sense to play it at an accelerated rate Sep 05 14:09:55 	and can a user create one without writting a xml file? Sep 05 14:09:58 	I don't think it currently does though Sep 05 14:09:59 	halfline: yeah, but i mean so it can be found w/o browsing over /usr Sep 05 14:10:11 	drago01: no Sep 05 14:10:29 	halfline: ok Sep 05 14:10:39 -->	hadess (n=hadess@cpc4-glfd1-0-0-cust751.glfd.cable.ntl.com) has joined #fedora-meeting Sep 05 14:10:43 	notting: hmm, well come to think of it, it may be there already Sep 05 14:10:44 	bleh, late Sep 05 14:11:02 	mezcalero: want to brielfy talk about PA while you're here since you have to leave? Sep 05 14:11:09 	we added it to /usr/share/gnome-background-properties Sep 05 14:11:28 -->	walters (n=walters@static-71-243-117-136.bos.east.verizon.net) has joined #fedora-meeting Sep 05 14:11:41 	caillon: i'll probably leave in a minute or so Sep 05 14:11:49 	so i *think* we should be all set, and it should just appear as another background in the list on the capplet Sep 05 14:11:55 	without needing an explicit Add Sep 05 14:11:56 	mezcalero: well you have a minute then. ;-) Sep 05 14:12:00 	but wanted to read through the logs later, that's why i joined the channel ;-) Sep 05 14:12:13 	aha, okay Sep 05 14:12:25 	caillon: but i can give a quikc status report Sep 05 14:12:36 	basically, pa is now enabled by default Sep 05 14:12:38 *	hadess missed the beginning of the meeting, what's happening Sep 05 14:12:40 	mezcalero: that would be great Sep 05 14:12:43 	there are stell a couple of issues Sep 05 14:12:48 	s/stell/still Sep 05 14:12:50 	hadess: just giving brief status on the items in the list mclasen sent out Sep 05 14:13:00 	hadess: we just gave a run through on Soeren's background feature Sep 05 14:13:05 	the most important one is some incompatibility with amd64 Sep 05 14:13:11 	which i fixed yesterday Sep 05 14:13:15 	but there's some more bugs Sep 05 14:13:28 	mezcalero: that sounds important to have built and tagged for test2 Sep 05 14:13:37 	+1 Sep 05 14:13:42 	i.e. libc's dlopen seems to be broken in multi-threaded apps Sep 05 14:13:58 	jeremy: jkeating just tagged the new versions i pushed into rawhide yesterday Sep 05 14:14:09 	but, basically it's there Sep 05 14:14:13 	and should work Sep 05 14:14:21 	yeah, I just tagged them. Sep 05 14:14:32 	mezcalero: have you made comps changes tomake sure we get PA by default instead of something els? Sep 05 14:14:35 	else? Sep 05 14:14:39 	or to have all the PA stuff installed that we should have? Sep 05 14:14:42 	if you encounter any bugs, report them ;-) Sep 05 14:14:53 	mezcalero: okay, cool Sep 05 14:14:59 	f13: pa had now replaced esound in comps Sep 05 14:15:14 	thanks Sep 05 14:15:18 	but if you want the full set of tools you have to install a few things manually Sep 05 14:15:29 	also Sep 05 14:15:35 	f13: i think we need a document of "when should i touch comps" btw Sep 05 14:15:38 	in pa i reduced the timeout for suspending a device to 1s Sep 05 14:15:43 	mezcalero: will it be enabled by default when doing an update too? (enabling the gconf-setting automaticly) Sep 05 14:15:47 	this means after 1s idle the audio device is closed Sep 05 14:15:50 	f13: for reference, the orginal message was here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-August/msg01196.html Sep 05 14:16:10 	so, most of the issues should not be visible at all Sep 05 14:16:40 	because the audio device is practically always open Sep 05 14:16:45 	drago01: that's problematic Sep 05 14:16:58 	drago01: that would mean we'd have to modify the users gconf settings Sep 05 14:17:07 	and overwrite his settings for gst and stuff Sep 05 14:17:25 	for new installations pa will be enabled by default Sep 05 14:17:34 	ok Sep 05 14:17:43 	but for old installations this is problematic Sep 05 14:17:43 	that's probably okay though. If the user was using esd before then they'll get pulse now, if they weren't they'll have to turn it on in preferences Sep 05 14:17:51 	i don't see how we could do that better Sep 05 14:18:27 	" because the audio device is practically always open" wouldn't this kill the purpose of the "suspend audio when not needed feature" .. and increase the power usage? Sep 05 14:18:28 	people would probably be pissed off if we'd go through every single user gconf db and toggle a few settings, overwriting what people chose previously Sep 05 14:18:42 	drago01: oops, typo Sep 05 14:18:45 	yeah, sounds like the sane behavior Sep 05 14:18:58 	i meant, it's practically always closed unless something plays Sep 05 14:19:06 	so power consumption is zero when nothing is played Sep 05 14:19:08 	mezcalero: ok sounds much better :) Sep 05 14:19:11 	:) Sep 05 14:19:15 	and every other app can access it when it likes to Sep 05 14:19:23 	halfline: is it worth it to write a script/panel that does the switch? Sep 05 14:19:27 	mezcalero: thanks for the updates! Sep 05 14:19:35 	btw, pulseeaduio-lib now installs libflashsupport.so Sep 05 14:19:46 	cool Sep 05 14:19:47 	so flash should work out-of-the-box Sep 05 14:19:48 	saw the changelog Sep 05 14:19:50 	notting: does what switch? Sep 05 14:19:54 	and noone should be even notice it Sep 05 14:19:59 	halfline: to enable pulse Sep 05 14:20:08 	s/be// Sep 05 14:20:18 	ok, that's all i have for now Sep 05 14:20:23 	notting: there's already a capplet. gnome-sound-properties Sep 05 14:20:25 	mezcalero: also when using nsplugginwrapper on x86_64 (should be the same but just be sure) Sep 05 14:20:25 	okay, next on the list is bluetooth Sep 05 14:20:32 	i know there are still a couple of bugs left, so please: be patient and file reports ;-) Sep 05 14:20:57 	drago01: uh oh, didn't check that Sep 05 14:21:05 	notting: the "Enable software mixing" thing is the setting we're talking about Sep 05 14:21:07 	drago01: presumably this should work fine Sep 05 14:21:27 	halfline: yeah, i have that set, but pa doesn't appear to be running. maybe i need to restart the desktop Sep 05 14:21:36 	mezcalero: ok I see no reason why it shouldn't work but it has to be confirmed ;) Sep 05 14:21:38 <--	EvilBob has quit (Remote closed the connection) Sep 05 14:21:55 	notting: do you have the pulseaudio-esound-compat package installed ? Sep 05 14:21:57 	okay, we can take notting's issues with getting it to work to the list/bugs Sep 05 14:22:02 	yup Sep 05 14:22:08 	next up... Sep 05 14:22:09 *	mezcalero is off now Sep 05 14:22:14 	mezcalero: thanks again Sep 05 14:22:19 	notting: it may be you have the old esd running and not the pulse esd Sep 05 14:22:22 	hadess: can you briefly discuss bluetooth? Sep 05 14:22:36 	(if you just did the install) Sep 05 14:24:41 	okay, hadess is mia Sep 05 14:24:51 	and no davidz Sep 05 14:24:59 -->	cworth (n=nncworth@c-24-21-182-25.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) has joined #fedora-meeting Sep 05 14:25:09 	walters, want to talk about how awesome big board is? Sep 05 14:25:11 	he's here Sep 05 14:25:23 	bluetooth Sep 05 14:25:36 	ok, hadess go. walters, you're next :) Sep 05 14:25:44 	quite a bit of work done in that dept for fedora Sep 05 14:25:59 	we have gnome-phone-manager finally working, so you can send/receive sms messages Sep 05 14:26:10 	battery status if gnome-power-manager is new enough Sep 05 14:26:40 	adding bluetooth mice/keyboards is pretty straight forward as well, from the bluetooth preferences Sep 05 14:27:05 	and you can browse your mobile phone's pictures and stuff using nautilus Sep 05 14:27:13 	hadess: are all the pieces installed and set up by default? Sep 05 14:27:23 <--	ClausReheis has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Sep 05 14:27:26 	(ie, are all the packages marked as defaults in comps, etc) ? Sep 05 14:27:45 	can I use my playstation 3 controller as a mouse? :-) Sep 05 14:27:47 	jeremy: yep, should be, but i'll double-check Sep 05 14:28:09 	halfline: you could use it as a joystick, but my code didn't quite work Sep 05 14:28:26 *	jeremy didn't notice it yesterday testing live images, but is willing to look agani and try it out a little Sep 05 14:28:27 	halfline: you have a ps3? Sep 05 14:28:28 	halfline: i'll have to retry making thise work Sep 05 14:28:41 	weren't you the one that was holding off on getting a wii because of its cost? Sep 05 14:28:41 	docs for testing: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureBluetooth#head-5f18054be16b8498dd45b2361830046fdd9e6220 Sep 05 14:28:58 	oh, and we have bluetooth printing as well Sep 05 14:29:27 	caillon: well, we're straying off topic, but *I* don't, my girlfriend does Sep 05 14:29:35 	fair enough Sep 05 14:29:46 	i haven't looked into bluetooth audio yet, because integration with pulse, etc. Sep 05 14:30:27 	hadess: sounds cool Sep 05 14:30:34 	caillon: agreed. Sep 05 14:30:38 	hadess: has there been any movement on making gprs type connections easier? Sep 05 14:30:55 	and there will be more bluetooth stuff in F9, like phone sync'ing, etc. Sep 05 14:31:06 	halfline: i think that's an F9 thing with NM integration Sep 05 14:31:11 	ah okay Sep 05 14:31:21 	there's a patch upstream that nobody's looked at Sep 05 14:31:21 	halfline: it's on the feature list, and i'll be working on it as soon as i get the hardware :) Sep 05 14:31:29 	oh, gprs Sep 05 14:31:33 	not gps Sep 05 14:31:59 	halfline: there's a patch, but it was waiting on dial-up not sucking in NM Sep 05 14:32:04 	halfline: so it's not finished yet Sep 05 14:32:14 	walters: around? Sep 05 14:32:36 	http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=432774 for upstream CC:'ing action Sep 05 14:32:55 *	caillon wonders if a mom joke would summon walters Sep 05 14:33:07 	GPS is planned as well, iain is working on that, though no released code yet Sep 05 14:33:40 	and i still need to contact the desktop guys at novell so they can help us with upstream bluetooth stuff Sep 05 14:33:47 -->	EvilBob (n=bob@fedora/pdpc.sustaining.BobJensen) has joined #Fedora-Meeting Sep 05 14:34:19 	sounds good. Sep 05 14:34:40 	so, the executive summary is that it's not finished, but there's already some use cases working _much_ better than before Sep 05 14:34:47 	halfline: are you able to talk about the theme stuff? Sep 05 14:35:26 	so one thing i'd like to do before f8 is get rid of redhat-artwork Sep 05 14:35:44 	it's a bit of a pain right now, it has tons of build requirements and it's got a lot of unrelated artwork in it Sep 05 14:35:48 -->	JSchmitt (n=s4504kr@p54B132B2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #fedora-meeting Sep 05 14:36:14 	i'm very slowly breaking up the various parts of it into individual tarballs Sep 05 14:36:29 	is that what you mean by "the theme stuff" ? Sep 05 14:37:01 	halfline: is it just for size/download/fit on a CD concerns? Sep 05 14:37:07 	halfline: mclasen wrote * new theme (partially) Sep 05 14:37:16 	hadess: I think it's more for halfline's sanity :) Sep 05 14:37:33 	not entirely sure what he meant there, but i'm guess it's not necessarily that Sep 05 14:37:41 	hadess: the redhat-artwork move is more for maintenance reasons, and to help facilitate doing other spins Sep 05 14:37:42 	halfline: but that's interestiong stuff though Sep 05 14:37:54 	we'd like to make it easy to swap out the artwork and branding Sep 05 14:38:09 	caillon: i don't know about that, I don't think Sep 05 14:38:10 	many people would! Sep 05 14:38:24 	halfline: okay. fair enough.  but this sounds just as interesting. Sep 05 14:38:43 	oh wait Sep 05 14:38:52 	i get it, the * is a bullet point Sep 05 14:39:07 	heh.  yeah Sep 05 14:39:17 	so mclasen didn't write a STAR theme, he wrote a bullet point saying "new theme" on the proposed agenda Sep 05 14:39:20 <--	mmcgrath has quit ("leaving") Sep 05 14:39:31 	that's probably the infinity bits that mizmo droped in Sep 05 14:39:39 ---	mmcgrath_ is now known as mmcgrath Sep 05 14:39:52 	we have a new grub screen, firstboot, anaconda, syslinux, rhgb, and the animated background Sep 05 14:39:53 	makes sense Sep 05 14:40:13 	i think a gdm theme is in the works Sep 05 14:40:21 	halfline: and themed look dialog? Sep 05 14:40:23 	mock ups are being discussed on the art list i beliebve Sep 05 14:40:46 	drago01: oh right, someone (Nicu maybe?) propsed a lock dialog i think Sep 05 14:40:54 	although afaik that hasn't landed Sep 05 14:41:04 	yes saw something on the art-list archives Sep 05 14:41:22 	i'm not the best person to give an update on the art situation though, since i'm not on the art-list Sep 05 14:41:29 	maybe we should try to call mizmo in Sep 05 14:41:53 	well i guess from the desktop side, just that there's new stuff is a good status Sep 05 14:42:01 -->	G_ (n=njones@wikipedia/NigelJ) has joined #fedora-meeting Sep 05 14:42:30 ---	knurd is now known as knurd_afk Sep 05 14:42:47 	hadess: can you talk about vinegar? (intentionally americanized) Sep 05 14:43:43 	going once... Sep 05 14:43:48 	twice... Sep 05 14:43:59 	ajax: you around? Sep 05 14:44:12 	looking for a brief update on compiz-fusion Sep 05 14:44:14 	fwiw, I think it might be interesting to have tsclient/vinagre installed by default Sep 05 14:44:37 	since otherwise, especially for vinagre, you go look for vnc and get the craptastic vnc viewer instead Sep 05 14:44:41 	jeremy: is vino installed by default? Sep 05 14:44:43 	if not, someone to give an update on the new appearance capplet (halfline?) Sep 05 14:44:52 	drago01: yes Sep 05 14:45:05 -->	ClausReheis (n=ClausReh@fedora/ClausReheis) has joined #fedora-meeting Sep 05 14:45:11 	caillon: I talked with krh about it its f9 stuff because he want to get it upstream Sep 05 14:45:30 	i asked krh to join for compiz Sep 05 14:45:32 	caillon: nothing much to say, it's a vnc client that sucks less than vncviewer Sep 05 14:45:36 	yeah, i'm here Sep 05 14:45:39 -->	krh (i=krh@nat/redhat/x-ca63136240e633d2) has joined #fedora-meeting Sep 05 14:45:45 	hi Sep 05 14:45:46 *	jrb returns Sep 05 14:45:56 	hadess: ha. ok. Sep 05 14:45:58 	caillon: and mclasen added it to comps already Sep 05 14:46:10 	hadess: hey, if it can handle my qemu crap I'll be glad to use it by default. Sep 05 14:46:38 	ajax: you like talking about stuff. fusion. go. Sep 05 14:46:47 	f13: it uses gtk-vnc, which was used for the Xen viewer thing, so it probably works Sep 05 14:46:51 	hadess: yeah, but only as optional. and given drago's question. we have vino installed by default. having the server but not the client installedby default seems wrong :) Sep 05 14:46:58 	caillon: still needs review... Sep 05 14:47:02 	or krh can now that he's here ;) Sep 05 14:47:14 <--	jnettlet has quit ("Ex-Chat") Sep 05 14:47:21 	jeremy: switch it! Sep 05 14:47:27 	jeremy: the server is for the "user", the client for the admin Sep 05 14:47:42 	caillon: i know zero about compiz-fusion, sorry Sep 05 14:47:58 	caillon: afaik, the core compiz package is uptodate, I'll update it to 0.6 once that's out Sep 05 14:47:59 	ajax: fair enough Sep 05 14:48:10 	caillon: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=253693, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=253692 Sep 05 14:48:13 	review needed Sep 05 14:48:21 	the fusion packages needs review (which I need to do, I guess) Sep 05 14:48:47 	but other than that, they should be in good shape Sep 05 14:49:57 	krh: so f9 stuff or f8? Sep 05 14:50:20 	caillon: oh, f8, for sure Sep 05 14:50:40 *	caillon sticks tongue at drago01 Sep 05 14:50:42 	;) Sep 05 14:51:03 	drago01: are there any show-stoppers with the fusion packages Sep 05 14:51:08 	other than the missing review, of course? Sep 05 14:51:24 	not that I am aware of Sep 05 14:51:32 	great Sep 05 14:51:51 	there is a issue with the animation plugin with qt but I talked with rdieter about it and he will add the patch (from upstream kde) Sep 05 14:51:56 	but else they are ok Sep 05 14:52:45 	okay. we've got about 10 minutes left and i wanted to talk about maybe moving the meeting to accomodate others in europe. Sep 05 14:52:59 	http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel Sep 05 14:53:15 -->	nim-nim (n=nim-nim@fedora/nim-nim) has joined #fedora-meeting Sep 05 14:53:18 	we've got limited options though if we want the US based RHatters to be awake though Sep 05 14:53:31 	(and not have other conflicts for meetings) Sep 05 14:53:36 *	drago01 notes that he is in europe and has no problem with the time but it seems its different for others Sep 05 14:54:05 	drago01: nod Sep 05 14:54:08 <--	G has quit (Connection timed out) Sep 05 14:54:11 	drago01: would it be okay if it were earlier? Sep 05 14:54:13 	for you? Sep 05 14:54:34 	yes but not if it was 3 hours eariler Sep 05 14:54:38 	2 are ok Sep 05 14:55:00 	which puts US at lunch Sep 05 14:55:29 <--	JSchmitt has quit ("Konversation terminated!") Sep 05 14:55:50 	so we could maybe see if we can swap with EPEL which is an hour earlier every other week Sep 05 14:56:00 	or we could try fridays an hour earlier Sep 05 14:56:13 	or we can not eat lunch :) Sep 05 14:56:32 	thoughts from others? Sep 05 14:56:58 	move to europe or US for the meeting :) Sep 05 14:58:07 	we should discuss this on the list... Sep 05 14:58:11 -->	rnorwood (i=rnorwood@nat/redhat/x-852143d8a632edf3) has joined #fedora-meeting Sep 05 14:58:18 	halfline? krh? hadess? Sep 05 14:58:22 	so that the people that have issues can talk too Sep 05 14:58:33 	drago01: probably Sep 05 14:58:36 	i'm with drago01 Sep 05 14:58:37 -->	mcepl (n=mcepl@adsl2009.in.ipex.cz) has joined #fedora-meeting Sep 05 14:58:40 	what we need is a random meeting scheduler Sep 05 14:58:41 	like here? Sep 05 14:58:49 	with one hour notification Sep 05 14:58:56 	as pointed out people like mcepl can't be here during the meeting to complain about the schedule Sep 05 14:59:01 	don't expect me to show up on fridays after office hours :) Sep 05 14:59:05 	mcepl: he's here :) Sep 05 14:59:07 	except as soon as i wrote that he came in Sep 05 14:59:11 	haha Sep 05 14:59:12 	you lose Sep 05 14:59:23 	caillon: it's nine o'clock in the evening here Sep 05 14:59:44 	okay. we can move the discussion on the list. Sep 05 14:59:47 	mcepl: here too ... which is fine (for me) Sep 05 14:59:51 	sounds good Sep 05 14:59:56 	let's do it this time! Sep 05 15:00:06 	yes, please! Sep 05 15:00:21 *	mcepl has no idea, what such meeting should like, but agrees anyway :) Sep 05 15:00:38 	mcepl: you should read the minutes of past meetings :) Sep 05 15:00:47 	caillon: what about new NM and xulrunner (both on mclasens list) ;) Sep 05 15:01:09 	drago01: see how caillon dodged responsibilities? :) Sep 05 15:01:14 	:) Sep 05 15:01:16 	hadess: sure Sep 05 15:01:23 	there's too many 'i' in there Sep 05 15:01:32 	okay. new NM is in rawhide... Sep 05 15:01:41 	it has a few bugs that we're working out. Sep 05 15:01:50 	i'm not sure if it's currently tagged into test2 or not Sep 05 15:02:28 	i heard that it doesn't work at all for some people which sucks. Sep 05 15:02:53 	caillon: it's not in rawhide (as it's not currently taged for test2) Sep 05 15:02:54 <--	SmootherFrOgZ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Sep 05 15:03:03 	caillon: and it doesn't work at all for wireless right now, which makes it abit of a non-starter imho Sep 05 15:04:34 	if rawhide were actively getting new builds instead of waiting for test2 to be done, we could get some debugging help here.  worked for me when i tried it. Sep 05 15:04:42 -->	SmootherFrOgZ (n=Smoother@APuteaux-753-1-8-108.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #fedora-meeting Sep 05 15:05:15 	really? I got  "** (nm-applet:4068): WARNING **: FIXME: Activation of wireless device is not implemented." Sep 05 15:05:20 	and dcbw said it was because the code wasn't written Sep 05 15:05:31 	anyway, xulrunner is in the state of getting boned by random stuff. it built on all platforms except ppc64. i excludearched ppc64 and then something broke in x86-64 Sep 05 15:05:56 	caillon: is xulrunner using gecko 1.9 ? Sep 05 15:06:03 	and then that got fixed and then something broke in policykit over the weekend which caused that to build Sep 05 15:06:06 	yes Sep 05 15:06:29 	caillon: the policykit thing is fixed, if that's the same i hit Sep 05 15:07:12 	hadess: yeah. then i hit something else which was supposedly a xulrunner bug that just got exposed so i updated cvs. and then more stuff broke. Sep 05 15:07:15 	caillon: so if we build firefox with it we would have a firefox 2.x with the firefox 3.x rendering engine.. won't mozilla kill us for doing this? Sep 05 15:07:17 	so still trying to build it. :) Sep 05 15:07:35 	caillon: fun :) Sep 05 15:07:57 	drago01: don't make assumptions. :) Sep 05 15:08:08 	caillon: ok ;) Sep 05 15:08:41 	we'll bump to the equivalent firefox when xulrunner is capable of doing that. Sep 05 15:09:00 	but right now, it's going to be excludearch ppc and ppc64 Sep 05 15:09:16 	and we're over time Sep 05 15:09:37 	and on ppc/ppc64 firefox-devel will be used instead? Sep 05 15:10:02 	no, that will go away Sep 05 15:10:15 	ok so no gecko-devel for ppc? Sep 05 15:10:34 	epel meeting? Sep 05 15:10:50 	so whoever wants ppc to work *cough*dwmw2*cough* might want to help with the assembler that was promised Sep 05 15:10:53 <--	tux_440volt has quit ("Konversation terminated!") Sep 05 15:11:26 	i just need to find out why that code isn't upstream since i was fairly sure he wrote and submited it Sep 05 15:11:54 	anyway... Sep 05 15:11:56 	we're over time Sep 05 15:12:22 	so... thanks everyone. not necessarily the same bat time next week. likely the same bat channel though.