QA/Meetings/20091130

= Attendees =

People present (lines said)


 * jlaska (115)
 * adamw (53)
 * wwoods (27)
 * poelcat (25)
 * kparal (15)
 * nirik (14)
 * skvidal (14)
 * Oxf13 (10)
 * Viking-Ice (7)
 * zodbot (3)
 * tk009 (2)

Regrets:
 * Liam
 * Hurry

= Agenda =


 * Proposed meeting agenda
 * meetbot summary

Previous meeting follow-up

 * adamw - initiate security policy discussion on fedora-{devel,security}-list (see http://spot.livejournal.com/312216.html)

Initiated discussion on fedora-devel-list (see thread). See below for further discussion.


 * jlaska to send request for retrospective feedback to fedora-test-list@

Initiated discussion on fedora-devel-list (see thread). See below for further discussion.

Enhancing Release Criteria
John Poelstra offered thanks to those who provided feedback on the updated Fedora release criteria and asked for guidance on next steps.

Next steps include:
 * Updating the wiki content with feedback from mailing list and :Talk pages. Jlaska indicated that most of the :Talk content had been incorporated already
 * Send another feedback reminder to the list by ... tomorrow
 * Wrap-up with an in-person review (aka hackfest) @ FUDCon

Jlaska noted he was still unclear how to on how best to account for hardware-specific and local site configuration specific issue that Adamw raised. John wondered if this would be easier if we quantified the failures (e.g. 5 or more systems). Adamw offered to write-up a paragraph to better outline the problem.

Security Policy / Test Plan
In response to Spot's blog post (see http://spot.livejournal.com/312216.html), Adamw offered to initiate discussion on defining a security policy. Adamw gave an update on his efforts to build consensus around a security policy. The discussion started and there was consensus that a policy would be a good thing, but activity has since petered-out. John Poelstra asked whether the request had been submited to FESCO yet.

Highlights of the discussion include:
 * there's vague consensus that we should have package defaults that are 'very secure' and then per-spin customization for less security (if desired)
 * No one has stepped up and said, Yeah, there's a plan and we are doing it here
 * Skvidal drafted a change policy and sent to FESCO mailing list for feedback

AdamW agreed to raise this issue with FESCO for guidance in defining a security policy for fedora

Fedora 12 QA retrospective

 * See announcement - https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-November/msg01126.html
 * See wiki page - Fedora_12_QA_Retrospective

Jlaska thanked all who contributed feedback on the mailing list or directly to the wiki pages. Jlaska noted he was planning to migrate the mailing list feedback into the wiki.

Next steps involve
 * Organize feedback into related groups
 * Discuss recommendations the group would like to focus on for Fedora 13
 * Divide and conquer

kparal updates
Kparal noted he has a few autoqa patches out for review to the autoqa-devel list.
 * adding --help and --dry-run options to all watchers
 * keep control files around when using --dry-run

Next steps ...
 * Some work was done on rpmguard this past week, but more effort is needed to fully integrate it.
 * Kparal plans to adjust the Getting started use case this week once changes are accepted.

wwoods updates
Last week, wwoods adapted kparal's autoqa local patch and commited to git. So tests can now be launched on your local system. This should aid with test development and integration. Kparal noted he tested the changes and everything looked good.

Some general updates to the watcher scripts, including running autoqa once for each repo/build that's updated. This will make running 'noarch' tests possible in the future for tests that don't require arch-specific test environments.

Wwoods is doing some FUDCon prep work this week and plans to assist kparal with any integration issues with rpmguard.

Misc

 * Support for autoqa --local - https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/ticket/52 - DONE
 * Convert israwhidebroken to WSGI - https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/ticket/91 - POST - awaiting review
 * Thanks to help from Toshio, autoqa-israwhidebroken is now packaged and being tested
 * Use cases - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AutoQA_Use_Cases - INPROGRESS

Glögg as the official drink of QA
Adamw recommended that glogg be adopted as the new official drink of QA (see http://loupgaroublond.blogspot.com/2009/11/glogg.html). It involves wine, port and whiskey, and has an awesome name. i see no drawbacks.

http://www.acatinthekitchen.com/photo/advent/glogg.jpg

FUDCon travel Plans
Jkeating asked who would be on the Boston -> Toronto FUDBus.

= Upcoming QA events =


 * NA

= Action items =


 * adamw to offer some guidance on how to handle hardware/local_configuration specific bugs
 * adamw will reach out to FESCO for guidance on defining a security policy
 * jlaska to post recommendations on F-12 QA retrospective

= IRC transcript =

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