QA/Meetings/20090708

= Attendees =


 * David Pravec (dpravec)
 * James Laska (jlaska)
 * Jesse Keating (f13)
 * Jóhann Guðmundsson (viking-ice)
 * Kamil Paral (kparal)
 * Will Woods (wwoods)
 * Richard June (rjune)

Regrets:
 * Adam Williamson (adamw)

= Agenda =

Proposed meeting agenda

Previous meeting follow-up

 * [jlaska] - update QA/Goals wiki document

Egg on me ... no updates this past week.

Fit n Finish Display Configuration Test Day Recap
Announcement: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-June/msg00741.html

I invited mclasen to join the meeting today to provide a brief recap of the test day. What worked well, what didn't, how could things be improved for next time? Mclasen updated the group that ...

* there was a bit of participation in the irc channel throughout the day, but not too much though. * mostly it was me and to some extent adam testing stuff and filing bugs

Viking_Ice suggested it should be mandatory to provide guidelines for contributors to file bug reports. Jlaska cautioned that adding that mandatory requirement might be a bit too harsh, but it's a great guideline to list for folks wanting a successful test day experience. Mclasen noted that it would be helpful to include a link to the wiki test case.

Recommendations for future events ... * Need more advertising for fit'n'finish days * Loosen the date restriction on the test day wiki name -- perhaps note in the SOP? * Include test case link in any bug reports filed -- perhaps note in the SOP?

dpravec pointed out that google is releasing neatx (python based nx server) -- which might be interesting for remote desktop problem solving/testing... http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/07/releasing-neatx-open-source-nx-servier.html. dpravec would investigate and may develop a HOWTO wiki page describing it's use. .

AutoQA - update from wwoods
https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa

So there's the test plan: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Rawhide_Acceptance_Test_Plan and there's 4 cases remaining to write (see https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&summary=~Create+test+case&milestone=israwhidebroken.com&order=priority)

The first two - Core package {existence,closure} - require the Critical Path package list/depsolving tool. Last week skvidal wrote a tool to depsolve out a list of packages/groups (see http://wwoods.fedorapeople.org/files/critical-path/resolve_out_deps.py).

Created 2 new groups in F12 comps.xml (critical-path-base and critical-path-gnome). Combining those two groups and @core should cover every use case listed in the Critical_Path_Packages_Proposal. Current expansion of the current Critical Path definitions are listed at http://wwoods.fedorapeople.org/files/critical-path/deplist.txt. It works out to 500 packages (%5 of the distro).

Mclasen asked if these changes would be visible to the installer. Wwoods and f13 noted that this group was not marked as visible:


 * false
 * false

Viking_ice noted for the record that we should create critical-path groups for other desktop environments. Wwoods indicated this would be possible, however the short-term goal of israwhidebroken.com is to focus on the use cases described in the proposal. f13 and Wwoods indicated that the responsibility for creating and testing other desktop environments would fall to the SIG owners of those desktop environments. Jlaska directed curious contributors to the page describing how to propose comps.xml changes (see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/CompsXml).

Jlaska updated the group on autotest packaging efforts and fedora-infrastructure engagement. Notes from discussion with f13 posted to the end of autoqa ticket#9.

Wwoods provided a plan for the upcoming week ...
 * finish writing tests, ask for review from f-t-l
 * send out an informational message about the critical path deplist to f-d-l
 * hopefully, I'll also have time to start trying to automate one of the simpler test cases in autotest

Debugging pages ... what's next?
Christopher Beland posted some data on the heaviest hitters when it comes to new bugs filed (see https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-June/msg00723.html). I didn't see if this was captured anywhere, but I wanted to review this list and come up with some ideas on how to approach fleshing out the remaining pages.

Viking_ice updated the team on some his great work creating the Dracut and Dracut/Debugging wiki pages.

Viking_ice indicated there are several pages in Category:Debugging that could use some additional cleanup, and would like to update several pages as time permits.

Jlaska asked the group for suggestions on how best to track creating the Debugging pages noted by Beland. Jlaska how the team felt about tracking these efforts in the fedora-qa track instance. Oddly enough, there weren't any criticisms with this approach. Viking_ice offered to review the tickets and make updates as needed.

Viking_ice noted he wasn't receiving any emails when new tickets were filed. Jlaska would look into the trac admin permissions.

Update on TCMS?
f13 asked for an update on the TCMS plans?

jlaska indicated there were is some internal movement on developing nitrate, but no updated schedule for releasing code. Jlaska also pointed out that User:Mchua has offered assistance to configure a private mediawiki+semantic instance to help QA manage results through the Fedora 12 schedule.

Link to existing goals?
Rjune asked for a link to the existing goals document. Jlaska directed to QA/Goals.

Fedora Test Day Survey
Jlaska finally gathered F11 test day survey feedback and started posting recommendations for review. Please see https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-July/msg00009.html

Use VOIP for future meetings?
dpravec asked whether we should use a VOIP solution (like mumble) for audio meetings.

Viking_ice and f13 indicated it is difficult to keep notes and sometimes exclusive to host VOIP meetings instead of IRC meetings.

Jlaska noted that VOIP makes a lot of sense for different types of meetings like the Fedora Activity Days.

f13 reminded the group about the fedora VOIP service - http://talk.fedoraproject.org

= Upcoming QA events =


 * 2009-07-14 - BugZappers/Triage_days
 * 2009-07-15 - 16:00 UTC - Next QA Meeting QA/Meetings/20090715

= Action items =


 * [jlaska] - update QA/Goals wiki document
 * [jlaska] - update fedora-qa privs so that viking_ice is on the default bcc
 * [jlaska] - file a bunch of tickets to track wiki RFC's (requests for content) for debugging pages ... email list seeking volunteers after

= IRC Transcript =

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