QA/Meetings/20090831

= Attendees =

People Present (lines said):
 * James Laska - jlaska (169)
 * Will Woods - wwoods (59)
 * Adam Williamson - adamw (45)
 * David Pravec - dpravec (31)
 * Kamil Paral - kparal (20)
 * Jesse Keating - Oxf13 (20)
 * fenris02 (16)
 * Sebastian Dziallas - sdziallas (14)
 * Iarly Selbir - iarlyy (13)
 * Petr Šplíchal - psss (13)
 * Edware Kirk - tk009 (6)
 * Kevin Fenzi - nirik (5)
 * Mike McGrath - mmcgrath (1)
 * Southern_Gentlem (1)

Regrets:
 * Liam Li (lili)
 * He Rui (rhe)

= Agenda =


 * Proposed meeting agenda
 * meetbot summary

Previous meeting follow-up

 * [dpravec] - investigate creating fedora-test-announce mailing list for Test Days, other test events, schedule updates

mailing list test-announce is ready to be used. Adamw asked if fedora-test-list was subscribed to test-announce.


 * [jlaska] - talk with Liam about how we can make the current install test plan more attainable/achievable in the given time frames

Haven't brainstormed with Liam yet on changes for the installation test plan for F-12-Beta. Keep this action item on the list, will try to organize my thoughts and sync up with Liam.


 * [jlaska] - cleanup remaining test cases for dracut and send announcement

See announcement at https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-August/msg00659.html


 * [jlaska] - discuss bandwith implications of hosting nightly rawhide live images with fedora-infrastructure

spoke to mmcgrath on the fedora-admin briefly a little bit ago on the alt.fp.org bandwith. the summary is that there haven't been any issues reported yet, and he'd like to be kept in the loop when new milestone drops land. Mmcgrath did note that they're interested in building a mirror to host content should any issues surface on that one system.

Adamw asked if any download numbers were available for nightly builds?


 * [Oxf13] - will do a build of the new autotest version for testing.

Packages posted and awaiting test feedback (see https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/ticket/9#comment:38)


 * [jlaska + wwoods] to test latest autotest build

Intend to gather results early this week. Spent time last week documenting install and setup instructions on wiki (see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Install_and_configure_autotest).


 * UNASSIGNED - include a xorg-x11-drv matrix in F-12-Beta test matrix for nouveau, intel and radeon

AutoQA update from wwoods
Wwoods notifed the group that last week was official known as DOCS WEEK. For example, see the autoqa wiki category http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:AutoQA


 * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AutoQA is the main page for the Fedora AutoQA project
 * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Autotest has specific info about autotest and how we use it in AutoQA
 * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Writing_AutoQA_Hooks and http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Writing_AutoQA_Tests explain how to write autoqa hooks and tests
 * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Install_and_configure_autotest talks a bit about setting up your own autotest instance if you wanted to run the autoqa code on your own

The important AutoQA lesson of the meeting was ... write the test(s) first

With a written test, you can later worry about
 * 1) Deciding when the test should run
 * 2) Integrating the existing test + trigger/watch into autoqa

Psss joined the meeting to get some guidance on how to get started with a fedora package sanity implementation that would use autoqa. The original idea came from Ondrej Hudlicky: to prevent dependency problems. While looking around, Psss came across the autoqa project. Psss asked for guidance on how to get started. Wwoods reiterated the AutoQA lesson of the day ...

write the test(s) first

Jlaska noted that kparal and psss might have an opportunity for collaboration when the time is right for creating a watcher script. Wwoods commented that it's much easier to write watchers once you have a working test(s). Once you have the test, you'll know what parameters and environmental needs your test has. For example wwoods noted:

obviously a post-koji-build watcher is going to need.. a URL to the new package(s). But there might be other things you haven't thought of yet. So try writing the tests and then you'll have some concrete examples of what the tests need to know and hopefully https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Writing_AutoQA_Tests is a bit clearer now about the fact that you don't need any special knowledge or code from autoqa/autotest.

Dpravec asked for the location for the updated autotest packages. Jkeating pointed to http://jkeating.fedorapeople.org/infra/

Wwoods indicated the plans for the upcoming week ...
 * 1) figuring out how to get data back out of the autotest frontend/RPC code so we can populate forms for israwhidebroken.com or similar things
 * 2) minor cleanup of std{out,err} of existing RATS test results

dracut
Dracut test day wiki - Test_Day:2009-08-27

Last week was the dracut test day. Jlaska has an open action item to send the test day summary to the list.

sectool
Sectool test day wiki - Test_Day:2009-09-01_Sectool

Eduard Beneš and Ondrej Hudlicky will host the sectool test day on Tuesday, Sept 1, 2009.

Fenris02 asked ...
 * whether should it suggest pam_tally2 instead of _tally?
 * should a default install pass level 5 ?

Adamw noted the test day wiki had some gaps and would reply to the list with feedback.

Sugar-on-a-stick
SoaS test day wiki - Test_Day:2009-09-03

Sebastian noted he was working with Mel Chua and test cases should arriveon the semantic infrastructure wiki on Wednesday

Jlaska expressed excitement on using the semantic mediawiki for Soas, and asked whether specific hardware was needed to test. Sdziallas noted that any system that can run Fedora should be capable of running SoaS.

Xorg-x11-drv week
Xorg-x11-drv-* test day wiki:
 * Radeon - coming soon
 * Nouveau - coming soon
 * Intel - coming soon

Adamw noted that wiki pages haven't yet been pulled together, however progress would happen soon. The test day events will be similar to the f11 days - just general testing of the drivers' capabilities, find out where we're at, particularly with newer stuff like nouveau modesetting

kparal - Using zsync to improve ISO downloads
http://zsync.moria.org.uk/

Kparal asked whether zsync could be used to improve downloads of large files (ISO's) of fedora. Discussion followed, and the group seemed to think that the benefits would be minimal for live image ISO's ... since they are just a single squashfs file.

Wwoods suggested it would be good to confirm that theory. Kparal would try to test downloads against live images ... and report back.

dpravec - New test-announce list
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test-announce

Dpravec reminded folks to sign up for test-announce mailing list. A low traffic moderated list intended for notification about QA related test events. Fedora-test-list is currently a member, so any events will be sent to fedora-test-list@redhat.com as well.

fenris02 - Features/LowerProcessCapabilities
Fenris02 asked for status on the F12 Feature Features/LowerProcessCapabilities.

Fenris noted it hasn't changed recently and isn't complete in F12 Alpha. The group agreed that any features passed the feature freeze needs to be planned for Fedora 13. Adamw thought there was some plan on implementing a subset in F12, and the remaining features in F13.

Fenris02 volunteed to check-in with sgrubb for thoughts on next steps.

= Upcoming QA events =


 * 2009-09-01 - BugZappers/Meetings
 * 2009-09-01 - sectool test day
 * 2009-09-03 - Sugar on a stick

= Action items =


 * adamw - to reply to sectool test day with some test day wiki improvements
 * dpravec will subscribe fedora-test-list to test-announce
 * fenris02 - check-in w/ sgrubb on devel status of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/LowerProcessCapabilities
 * jlaska - catch up with lili on some test plan changes for the upcoming F-12-Beta milestones
 * jlaska - complete autotest setup doc and post autotest-0.11 test feedback
 * jlaska - send dracut test day summary to fedora-test-list
 * kparal to test download zsync downloads
 * UNASSIGNED - include a xorg-x11-drv matrix in F-12-Beta test matrix for nouveau, intel and radeon

= IRC transcript =

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