Meeting:Zh/Meetings/2007-09-14

策划
议题需要包括


 * 继续邀请加入 fedora-cn Google Group 暨邮件列表


 * 文档的撰写，翻译，打包和审核，帮助新的 fedora 贡献者申请帐号


 * 介绍 蓝迪游戏

翻译

 * 建立   页面

第一项内容：FelixZ 提到关于翻译的一些事
介绍了 http://translate.fedoraproject.org (t.f.o)，然后建立了 Glossary 页面，用于保存翻译常用词汇.

日志
[2007-09-14 19:54:00] 多亏了 google canlendar 一次发了四条短信过来，把人吵醒了. . . [2007-09-14 19:54:27] * hers 今天俺旁听 [2007-09-14 19:55:49] =-= Mode #fedora-cn +o hers  by ChanServ [2007-09-14 19:56:00] === y is unknown mode char to me [2007-09-14 19:56:00]  =-= Mode #fedora-cn +oric hellwolf  by hers [2007-09-14 19:56:11] =-= Mode #fedora-cn +o ricky  by hers [2007-09-14 19:56:30] =-= Mode #fedora-cn +v skynovo  by hers [2007-09-14 19:56:34] =-= Mode #fedora-cn +v FelixZ  by hers [2007-09-14 19:57:44]  hers: Evening, hers. [2007-09-14 19:58:12] =-= Mode #fedora-cn +v candyz0416  by hers [2007-09-14 19:58:33] FelixZ~ 找到啥想做的没. . [2007-09-14 19:58:46] * hers 多么地一本正经啊 [2007-09-14 19:59:01] =-= Mode #fedora-cn +v gregdek_gone  by hers [2007-09-14 19:59:11] * FelixZ 不由地肃然起敬了 [2007-09-14 19:59:18] * Shely 家 hers 本来就很正经~ [2007-09-14 20:00:42]  hers: 我还是做点简单的翻译吧，呵呵，现在有没有to do list？ [2007-09-14 20:01:02] 有的. http://translate.fedoraproject.org 的模块列表. [2007-09-14 20:01:26] http://translate.fedoraproject.org/module/ [2007-09-14 20:02:53]  hers: Great:) 我先找技术背景简单些的看看 [2007-09-14 20:05:36]  我一直都想看 olpc 的翻译，可是完全玩不转. . . [2007-09-14 20:05:58]  今天星期五！ [2007-09-14 20:06:01]  * hers 不够单纯和有想象力/耐心. . .  qemu 真 TMD 慢 [2007-09-14 20:06:03]   hers: 任务有没有优先级？ [2007-09-14 20:06:29]  FelixZ~ 有的，应用程序翻译是必须在 25 号之前尽可能多做，不然就进不了 f8 了 [2007-09-14 20:07:04]  可是我没觉得这 freeze 有啥意思 - -! [2007-09-14 20:07:34]  应用程序翻译一般都是 redhat 内部的团队做的啊. [2007-09-14 20:08:28]   hers: Thanks, I see. Is there any standardized glossary I can refer to? [2007-09-14 20:09:30]  没有，记得 kbabel 还是什么的可以导入所有的 po 文件，做一个小数据库，然后自动翻译新的 po 文件？ [2007-09-14 20:10:31]  * FelixZ scratches his head and takes notes [2007-09-14 20:10:49]  FelixZ~ 如果搞个 glossary 怎么样呢 [2007-09-14 20:11:18]   呃……我不知道哎 [2007-09-14 20:11:31]   应该会减少些混乱吧 [2007-09-14 20:11:39]  在 wiki 里加一页？ [2007-09-14 20:12:09]   hers: Sounds like a good idea :) [2007-09-14 20:12:23] FelixZ~ 顺带提一句， http://translate.fedoraproject.org 的缩写是 t.p.o，有个测试网站在 http://publictest5.fedora.redhat.com/ [2007-09-14 20:12:36] 有新功能时会先加到那里 [2007-09-14 20:13:22]  hers: Thanks for the information:) [2007-09-14 20:14:16]   hers: I don't quite understand...new func for fedora or new func for the site? [2007-09-14 20:16:27]  掉线了 [2007-09-14 20:17:32]  *NickServ* You have already identified [2007-09-14 20:19:13]  FelixZ~ new function for the site. currently it refers to Transifex which you can find in the navigation area [2007-09-14 20:21:03]  这一篇有意思： http://l10n.fsftw.org/reusability.html [2007-09-14 20:21:27]  还有这一篇 http://www.redhat.com.cn/news/article/419.html [2007-09-14 20:23:56]  FelixZ~ 那，有个差不多相关的页面， http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/zh_CN/FedoraDict [2007-09-14 20:25:37]   hers: Maybe it's better we have some hierarchies in this dict, I suppose. [2007-09-14 20:26:01]  no, FedoraDict must has a plain structure [2007-09-14 20:26:21]  I'm setting up a new page at $zh_CN/L10N/Glossary [2007-09-14 20:26:22]   hers: But the list could grow to a overwhelming size if we keep doing this.. [2007-09-14 20:27:06] FelixZ~ FedoraDict is used for reference using Wiki functions, thus it cannot have other structures I think.. [2007-09-14 20:27:22] and use a seperated page for translations is better [2007-09-14 20:28:17]  hers: So the content are limited only to those related to wiki usage? Gotcha [2007-09-14 20:29:17] 哈？ [2007-09-14 20:29:17] english day? [2007-09-14 20:29:18]  hers: *content is* [2007-09-14 20:29:48] AFAIK no one will use FedoraDict page.. the syntax of calling is hard to remember [2007-09-14 20:31:49]  hers: Er..may I ask what is it? [2007-09-14 20:38:15]   [2007-09-14 20:38:47]  意思就是此处引用 FedoraDict 中对 OpenSource 的定义 [2007-09-14 20:39:56]  hers: Ah..interesting [2007-09-14 20:44:43] <FelixZ> here: If only you do not need to apply this to each word... [2007-09-14 20:48:04] 所以才说不好用 [2007-09-14 20:50:50] 嗯，加了一个新的 $zh_CN/L10N/Glossary 页面  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/zh_CN/L10N/Glossary [2007-09-14 20:51:15] 这玩意要是可以自动生成就好了啊 - -! [2007-09-14 20:51:50] <FelixZ> hers: Much cooler now :) [2007-09-14 20:52:19]  * hers 正在装 kbabel [2007-09-14 20:53:03]  <FelixZ> hers: Fedora的wiki有类似talk之类的页面么？ [2007-09-14 20:55:36]  talk? 你是说讨论么？ [2007-09-14 20:56:08]  * hers 没用过 mediawiki 的讨论页 [2007-09-14 20:56:12]  <FelixZ> 对啊 [2007-09-14 20:56:33]  据说前阵子邮件列表有吵架，是不是加讨论页 [2007-09-14 20:56:53]  <FelixZ> hers: 嗯？ [2007-09-14 20:57:08]  俺没在意. . [2007-09-14 20:57:15]  <FelixZ> hers: ... [2007-09-14 20:57:35]  * FelixZ 个人认为讨论也没什么坏处嘛 [2007-09-14 21:00:10]  * hers searching gmane [2007-09-14 21:00:24]  [INFO]  You are now marked as away (吃饭去了). Click the nickname button or use the |/back| command to return from being away. [2007-09-14 21:00:28]  <FelixZ> hers: 如果加一个页面说明L10N的与Docs/Drafts以及FAQ的glossary的区别就好了 [2007-09-14 21:01:58]  - -! 仅供参考 [2007-09-14 21:02:16]  根本不是一回事，写啥区别呢 [2007-09-14 21:02:58]  * hers 吃饭去也，大家慢慢聊 [2007-09-14 21:03:44]  <FelixZ> hers: 不写的话像我等菜人根本不知道是都是何物啊 [2007-09-14 21:04:39] <FelixZ> hers: Oops，差别果然很大，当我没说好了 [2007-09-14 21:14:03] |<-- r0bertz|work has left freenode (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [2007-09-14 21:18:28] |<-- zmcbb30 has left freenode (No route to host) [2007-09-14 21:23:03] <--| eugene has left #fedora-cn [2007-09-14 21:47:31] fedora未被是没有国内镜像？？？ [2007-09-14 21:47:48] fedora还是没有国内镜像？？？？？ [2007-09-14 21:49:20] 没有公开的完整的优秀的可用的 [2007-09-14 21:49:56] 唉，中国人就是不开放！！！ [2007-09-14 21:50:11] ubuntu 有 [2007-09-14 21:50:16] debian 有 [2007-09-14 21:55:13] 感觉这两款不好用 [2007-09-14 21:56:15] 随便你的，事实是国内用 Fedora 网络方面不方便 [2007-09-14 21:56:29] 电信的线路还凑合 [2007-09-14 22:01:33] =-= gregdek_gone is now known as gregdek [2007-09-14 22:03:15] <--| FelixZ has left #fedora-cn [2007-09-14 22:41:33] hers, [2007-09-14 22:41:40] LoneStar 我进不去 fedora-cn [2007-09-14 22:41:42] hellwolf 哈？ [2007-09-14 22:41:42] LoneStar invite-only? [2007-09-14 22:41:42] hellwolf 谁设置的 [2007-09-14 22:41:42] hellwolf 不可能吧 [2007-09-14 22:42:12] =-= Mode #fedora-cn -i  by hellwolf [2007-09-14 22:43:53] -->| LoneStar (n=xinzhen@218.81.37.194) has joined #fedora-cn [2007-09-14 22:44:00] <LoneStar> 今天是不是人太多？ [2007-09-14 22:44:55] 今天似乎没人主持 [2007-09-14 22:48:22] -->| DBLobster (n=DBLobste@121.29.132.23) has joined #fedora-cn [2007-09-14 22:52:49] <LoneStar> 请大家静默，为 hers 祈祷 [2007-09-14 22:56:48] mode +r 是什么？谁设的？ [2007-09-14 22:57:44] [INFO]  You are no longer marked as away. [2007-09-14 22:59:10] 谁捣乱的 [2007-09-14 22:59:18] +i 了人都进不来的 [2007-09-14 22:59:41] =-= Mode #fedora-cn -r  by hers [2007-09-14 22:59:42] -->| hongdan (n=chatzill@58.30.5.16) has joined #fedora-cn [2007-09-14 22:59:47] 莫名其妙 [2007-09-14 22:59:58] >ChanServ< access #fedora-cn list [2007-09-14 23:00:07] *ChanServ* Num Level Hostmask                            Time since last use [2007-09-14 23:00:07] *ChanServ* --- -                             --- [2007-09-14 23:00:07] *ChanServ* 1   10    rEdcArp_yu                          1d 6h 30m 22s [2007-09-14 23:00:07] *ChanServ* 2   20    ricky                               3h 3m 49s [2007-09-14 23:00:07] *ChanServ* 3   10    LoneStar                            16m 5s [2007-09-14 23:00:07] *ChanServ* 4   30    bbbush                              0s [2007-09-14 23:00:07] *ChanServ* 5   20    keimoto                             1w 6d 13h 18m 48s [2007-09-14 23:00:08] *ChanServ* 6   10    Huahua                              5w 2h 40m 22s [2007-09-14 23:00:08] *ChanServ* 7   20    hellwolf                            17m 47s [2007-09-14 23:00:08] *ChanServ* -- End of list -- [2007-09-14 23:00:08] 聚会阿 [2007-09-14 23:00:33] 现在有权限改聊天室 mode 的是哪些人？ [2007-09-14 23:00:54] 不知道，有没有日志好查 [2007-09-14 23:01:01] 反正就这几个人有op [2007-09-14 23:01:20] 设置 mode +r 就是说没有 op 时临时选派 [2007-09-14 23:01:43] ChanServ 不在的话谁知道是谁搞鬼了 [2007-09-14 23:02:41] 晕，是我自己  - -! [2007-09-14 23:02:53] hellwolf~ 我刚才输入的是 /mode +o hellwolf ricky [2007-09-14 23:03:06] 奥 [2007-09-14 23:03:07] . . . . . . . . . . . . [2007-09-14 23:03:11]  结果它解释成了 /mode +o hellwolf, /mode +ricky [2007-09-14 23:03:19] 我靠 - -! [2007-09-14 23:03:23] 哈哈啊哈 [2007-09-14 23:03:59] * hers 太过分了，怎么把所有人都拦在了外边 [2007-09-14 23:04:22] * hers 还说旁听呢，差点就睡去了 [2007-09-14 23:04:27] =-= Mode #fedora-cn +o LoneStar  by hers [2007-09-14 23:00:45] 常州话是常州土生土长居民进行日常生活与生产实践交流的工具，是吴域居民重要的文化符号，是汉民族语言的重要组成部分. 常州话记载着吴地3000多年的辉煌历史，连接着吴地生活的漫长遂道，闪耀着吴地先民智慧的光芒. 常州话值得我们对之敬重，也值得我们去研究，更值得我们去衍生发展、发扬光大. [2007-09-14 23:04:48] 众所周知，常州话是一种口头语言，它没有也不可能有自成体系的文字书写形式，从而它不是独立于汉语之外的第二种语言. 因此它也和粤语等方言一样，虽然有区别于其他方言的语音，但没有狐立于汉语之外的语意文字. 它所表达的语意在标准汉语的文字中全有对应关系. 反过来说，每一句常州话都可以用标准汉字来对应标注. [2007-09-14 23:05:12] LoneStar, 你听则动藏贼乎老瓦 [2007-09-14 23:06:39] ？ [2007-09-14 23:06:57]  比如常州人回答旁人对生活、工作状态或者某件事件具体事态的询问时，会含糊其辞地说“还好，缠缠咧. ”意思就是说，“还不错，马马虎虎啦”，处于说好也不是特别好，说坏肯定还不坏的状态. 好多人不会写这个字，有的人根据读音会写成“转转”. 其实这与本意相差十万八千里. 缠缠是一个十分古意的词. 来源也是在生产实践中. [2007-09-14 23:34:46] <LoneStar> hellwolf, 上海属于百越族地盘 [2007-09-14 23:34:55] <LoneStar> 百越就是越南那边的人 [2007-09-14 23:35:08] <LoneStar> 跟你不是一个族的 [2007-09-14 23:35:22] 不都是汉人么 [2007-09-14 23:35:23] 不能那样说,只能说曾经是 [2007-09-14 23:36:27] <LoneStar> 上海有25％的人含有百越族特征基因 [2007-09-14 23:36:38] <LoneStar> 不过我不知道有没有，没人给我查 [2007-09-14 23:36:44] 75%的是汉人基因 [2007-09-14 23:36:45] <LoneStar> 我妈妈是常州人 [2007-09-14 23:37:02] <LoneStar> 有没有百越特征都是汉人 [2007-09-14 23:37:18] 看面相可以看出姓氏的 [2007-09-14 23:37:44] 姓缪的大多是帅哥美女 [2007-09-14 23:37:56] .. [2007-09-14 23:08:05]  那个 gnome-translate 好像满好用来 [2007-09-14 23:10:09] hers，翻译主要工作是？ [2007-09-14 23:10:18] 翻译 [2007-09-14 23:11:12] 晚安，同志们 [2007-09-14 23:13:26] 晚安，sky同志 [2007-09-14 23:13:56] |<-- skynovo has left freenode ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518] ") [2007-09-14 23:15:07] -->| yichi (n=yichi@123.116.101.46) has joined #fedora-cn [2007-09-14 23:16:04] -->| GNUdog (n=GNUdog@218.28.13.150) has joined #fedora-cn [2007-09-14 23:16:10] =-= Mode #fedora-cn +v yichi  by hers [2007-09-14 23:17:33] hers: compiz-fusion 在 fedora 8 里，好用么？ [2007-09-14 23:19:09] @_@ 什么时候有的？ [2007-09-14 23:19:23] 一直都有吧 [2007-09-14 23:21:23] 0.5.2 的 compiz 么，挺好的，每天都用着 [2007-09-14 23:22:55] beryl就够了,感觉 [2007-09-14 23:24:03] 呵呵 [2007-09-14 23:24:11] 我也想装一个来着 [2007-09-14 23:24:25] 我在 fc7 上装了. [2007-09-14 23:24:45] 不过一放视频，播放器就自动退出. [2007-09-14 23:24:49] .. [2007-09-14 23:24:57]  你的可以么？ [2007-09-14 23:25:05] 可以放视频么？ [2007-09-14 23:25:48] 可以用播放器么？ [2007-09-14 23:27:55] 我的也是f7,今天刚装的,还没在beryl下播放过,一会儿试试看.我用totem+mplayer解码,基本什么都能放