Meeting:Marketing 2008-08-07

Attendees
Paul Frields (stickster) led the meeting and the following attended:
 * ke4qqq, David Nalley
 * ianweller, Ian Weller
 * mizmo, Mairin Duffy
 * rharrison, Russell Harrison
 * kushal, Kushal Das
 * ria, Ria Das
 * tw2113, Michael Beckwith
 * mether, Rahul Sundaram

Meeting Summary

 * David Nalley stated that he was a few days behind schedule with the next installment of blog posts on the Four Foundations, but that it should be out by Friday.
 * Mairin Duffy indicated that a rough mock up of the drawing idea had been done for the new steamboat-themed Four Foundations posters, but that work still remained to 'graphic-ify' the images.
 * Rahul Sundaram indicated that he had not heard from Jon Roberts regarding reusing overview and release summary.
 * Mairin Duffy provided an update on stickers. Essentially a single quote is still outstanding and an email reminder would be sent.
 * On the instanbul videos front, Michael Beckwith stepped back from leading that effort due to time and interest constraints. Kushal Das announced that he was working on a PyQt4 series of videos and might explore 'Maintaining a Package' as his next series.
 * Michael Beckwith said he'd look at the possibility of working on docs.fp.o CSS.

During the course of the meeting the f

Meeting Log
[15:04] [15:04] Roll call! [15:04] DavidNalley [15:05] * ianweller [15:05] Is mizmo around? [15:05] hiii [15:05] eeeeeeggscellent. [15:06] And I'm Paul Frields. [15:06] :-o [15:06] You might remember me from such hit shows as, "Bosom Buddies." [15:06] * rharrison accounts for himself [15:06] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks [15:06] There's our task list. [15:07] im mizmo. u might remember me as the girl in the funny hat in the video on redhatmagazine.com right now :-p [15:07] mizmo: baby ur a star [15:07] KushalDas [15:07] (That was my Prince voice, but you couldn't hear it from there.) [15:07] lol [15:07] OK. Unless someone has an objection, [15:07] I'm going to start down the priority 1 items on the task list. [15:07] stickster, thank you a lot for the nice microphone [15:08] kushal: You're welcome. :-) [15:08] kushal: Now go out and produce thee some videos! :-) [15:08] stickster, working on them :) [15:08] OK, I see that task #1 on our list is the 4 foundations posts. [15:08] ke4qqq: I think you did a second one already, yes? [15:08] yes [15:09] ke4qqq: slap that URL in here, I'll capture it to the page too. [15:09] next will be done by tomorrow [15:09] http://www.nalley.sc/david/?p=59 [15:10] Awesome. That's "Features"? [15:10] yes, Features is next - rough draft already done, just needs to be cleaned up a bit [15:10] ke4qqq: Let me know if you need any supplementary info -- since poelcat and I work on that pretty much daily or so. [15:10] k [15:11] Well, that's well underway, so on to the next item, unless there are objections or questions about the 4 Foundations [15:11] OK. [15:11] Ria Das [15:11] Hi Ria, thanks for coming. [15:11] mizmo: The next item is one that we discussed a bit in Artwork [15:11] :) [15:11] posterz!!11 [15:11] nowai [15:12] There had been some brainstorming, and it included... STEAMBOATZ! [15:12] yeh [15:12] steamboatz????// [15:12] i think the consensus was that we want a more graphic and less photo feel [15:12] so i gotta get offs my duff and graphic-ify [15:12] What was really interesting to me was that you guys came up with some killer ideas for how to tie the boats into each of the foundations [15:13] With Freedom, it was just the idea of boating down the river, unfettered [15:13] (or ocean) [15:13] a giant boat sitting on a earth thing [15:13] This struck a deep chord with me because I *just* got done reading "Huck Finn" with my daughter. [15:13] ianweller: Failboat? [15:13] heh [15:14] The freedom of Huck and Jim rafting down the river was a big theme in that novel. [15:14] So anyhow... [15:14] Friends was the crew all having a beer on deck, or pulling oars together, or something to that effect [15:14] Features was the awesomeness of the engine room [15:14] And Future was landing on the destination island, for example. [15:15] * stickster shuts up and lets mizmo pontificate now [15:15] well [15:15] oops, one other thing: some of those ideas may have been mine, so if they suck, blame me. [15:15] i think the status is just that we gotta do it [15:15] which was the status last week [15:15] :-D [15:15] except this week we gots a rough mock for one [15:15] :) [15:16] mizmo: If you or some other intrepid artiste can establish a "look" for one, the others might be easier to fall into place from other helpers [15:17] yep i hope os! [15:17] s/os/so [15:17] superb [15:17] --> tw2113 has joined this channel (n=tw2113@host-17-36-107-208-static.midco.net). [15:18] Is JonRob around? [15:18] I think not. [15:18] [Error] JonRob: No such nick/channel. [15:18] i also think not [15:18] Great minds think alike, apparently, since he ain't here. [15:18] OK then. [15:19] *skritch skritch skratch* [15:19] meeting isn't it? [15:19] If mether were around, he could tell us whether JonRob talked to him. [15:19] tw2113: Yes, welcome! [15:19] stickster: whats the discussion about [15:19] split shift today so i get to come in late and possibly make the rest of it [15:20] mether: Did JonRob talk to you about reusability of the Release Notes Overview in the Release Summary? [15:20] That was his banner to take up. [15:20] nope [15:20] OK. [15:20] not offlist atleast [15:21] We'll just have to give that a miss this time, then. He had a sort of master plan in mind and I don't really know what it entailed. [15:21] ke4qqq: If you could CC JonRob on the summary, and include that bit for his benefit, it would be a big help [15:21] Thanks! [15:22] Oops, gotta call mizmo on the carpet yet again then. [15:22] OMZG STICKERZ!!!!!1!!! [15:22] stickster, OMGZ!!!11 [15:22] stickster, yeh so ive been a bad girl here [15:22] stickster, um gdk met someone at oscon who does stickers and who is also a fedora fan [15:23] i emailed him last week for quotes, he said he'd look into it but hasn't gotten back to me yet so ill send him a reminder today [15:23] zomg [15:23] :D [15:23] OK, fair enough. I hadn't seen the new, better-for-diecutting version yet [15:23] *very* nice! [15:23] only nitpicky thing i say: why are there colons after "write your own"? [15:24] *** adrianalves is now known as adrianalves|away. [15:24] ianweller: Better digestion? [15:24] * ianweller sticks one of the blank stickers on stickster's forehead and writes "better digestion" in the bubble [15:25] :) [15:25] :P [15:25] but seriousl. [15:25] seriously* [15:25] Looks like an easy enough fix in inkscape [15:25] <-- mthompson has left this server ("l8r"). [15:27] OK, without JonRob that's really the end of the priority 1 tasks. [15:27] tw2113: Since you're here, want to talk about the first task on the priority 2 list? [15:27] ack, not sure what it is [15:27] stickster, I have few input for Fedora TV [15:27] link plz [15:27] tw2113, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks [15:27] tw2113: See the task list --> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks#Active_.28Assigned.29_Tasks [15:28] Oh, thanks kushal :-) [15:28] :) [15:28] kushal: In the meantime, yes, please talk about Fedora TV. [15:28] write your own: [15:28] i dont see anything wrong with that? [15:28] its indicating, below is where u write your own no? [15:28] I am out of ideas for screencasts [15:28] mizmo: it might be firefox's rendering. i see "write your own:" *under* the sticker [15:29] the one in wiki page, i don't know them properly so can not work on them [15:29] ianweller, oh weird [15:29] i must chime in that i've been a bad boy and haven't touched the topic in a long time [15:29] ianweller: No, it's there in the source afaict [15:29] mizmo: I just moved them up, I can send you the SVG. [15:29] ianweller, yeh firefox might be funkifying the vertical alignment if u are looking at the svg [15:29] or maybe i screwed it up! not sure [15:29] today created few on python, how to copy files to fedorapeople.org account [15:29] mizmo: if it's above the sticker then it's cool. [15:29] yeh i was thinking they were above [15:29] i agree if they below we should take : out [15:29] or move them up [15:29] ok. [15:30] if we need to push the istanbul video topic more, it might be best to give it to someone else. I'm just dropping the ball here [15:30] So, I need to application list people want to see in the videos or workflow [15:30] like how to create a patch may be [15:30] tw2113: Is it a lack of time thing, or a lack of interest thing? [15:30] a bit of both [15:31] I also started a series on PyQt4 programming [15:31] i'm juggling my fair amount of balls over here plus a bit of lack of interest [15:31] tw2113, do you have ideas ? [15:31] kushal: Do you think you might be working toward an overall "How to Maintain a Package" video set? [15:31] no i don't sadly [15:32] stickster, ok, next task in pool :) [15:32] tw2113, ok [15:32] kushal: That was more of a question :-) [15:32] stickster, like for Fedora packaging ? [15:32] kushal: Is that your goal? [15:32] stickster, oh, :p [15:32] stickster, goal ,means ? [15:32] for what ? [15:32] kushal: Something you're trying to achieve with your videos [15:33] stickster, I goal is simple .... [15:33] people do not get chance to meet people in real life to learn from them, only option is irc and RTFM [15:33] kushal: Oh yes, I understand why we create the videos :-) [15:33] if they can see on videos how to do things, it becomes very easy [15:33] kushal: I didn't do a very good job of explaining myself. [15:34] kushal: Let me try again :-) [15:34] ok [15:34] I was thinking that, since you're creating lots of videos, and they seem to be about some development topics... [15:34] ...and... [15:34] ...because you maintain some packages... [15:34] ...the larger theme of "How to Maintain a Package" might be interesting to you, as a video-maker. [15:34] yes, of course :) [15:35] In other words, a series, one at a time, showing the essential skills [15:35] (or more than one at a time if you like) :-) [15:35] plus I want to do more for simple users [15:35] but as I don't know most of the user tools or options, that is difficult for me :P [15:35] tw2113: Is there a marketing task that *does* grab you by the lapels, which wouldn't take much of your time to achieve? [15:36] we're hoping to have my fedora tools ready for f10 that are focused on package maintainers [15:36] tw2113: Ooo. I have an idea. [15:36] so the process might be changing (for the better) as soon as f10 [15:36] <-- bpepple|lt has left this server ("Ex-Chat"). [15:36] hit me [15:36] (something to keep in mind for that video) [15:36] mizmo: Oh, that's true. [15:36] mizmo, oh, ok [15:36] So if kushal creates a lot of videos, they might all change :-\ [15:36] s/change/need to change/ [15:36] That would be silly [15:36] tw2113: Are you a CSS guy? [15:36] stickster, then I will work on that after f10 :) [15:37] i like to believe so, and have studied it in college [15:37] :) [15:37] kushal: Whatever happens, make yourself happy doing videos, first and foremost :-0 [15:37] :-) [15:37] stickster, that I am :) [15:37] tw2113: How would you like to fix the docs.fp.o CSS? [15:37] tw2113: 'Coz we need it badly. [15:38] fancy it up and make it smashing? [15:38] tw2113: Take a look at http://docs.fedoraproject.org/ [15:38] 2002 called, and they want their styles back. [15:38] *that* is a domain that needs love. [15:38] stickster, btw, I am uploading my ogg files to fedorapeople account [15:38] tw2113: Now compare that to http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ [15:38] soon I will be out of space [15:38] tw2113: Which uses the newer, canonical styles. [15:38] kushal: We can get you more, just ask in #fedora-admin [15:38] kushal: And let them know I sent you ;-) [15:38] stickster, then I will use my own space for both flvs and ogg [15:39] stickster, oh, ok [15:39] tw2113: So the objective is to match the docs.fp.o site to the newer official Fedora styling. [15:39] stickster, my idea of keeping flvs on fedorapeople is nothing but advertisement [15:39] that we *support* ogg [15:39] sounds like parts of that would be just copying new into old [15:39] kushal: Hm, let me think on that. [15:39] eh [15:39] tw2113: Possibly. [15:40] s/flv/ogg [15:40] tw2113: The rub is, we need someone to *do* it who knows what he's doing :-) [15:40] stickster, my idea of keeping oggs on fedorapeople is nothing but advertisement [15:40] yeah [15:40] mizmo: That's the official styling, yes? [15:40] sure, i'll take on that task [15:40] mizmo: e.g. what's on http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ ? [15:40] * stickster almost 100% sure of that, but JIC... [15:40] tw2113: Awesome. [15:41] tw2113: How long do you think you need for that? [15:41] how about we agree that i'll get on it asap [15:41] tw2113: Do you want to try for next week, then? [15:42] tw2113: Or does two weeks sound better for your schedule/time constraints? [15:42] Or...? [15:42] it'll be my first official chance to push stuff live for Fedora, so i'd need a bit of help figuring out how to download the uptodate files and then pushing live etc [15:42] yeah, lets aim for 2 week [15:42] ianweller may be able to help you with that [15:42] i'm sure i could find some help easy [15:42] ianweller: Can I call on you for help in that regard? [15:42] ugh. [15:42] That was the crappiest sentence ever. [15:42] * ianweller yells at the government for making him go to school [15:42] ianweller: Will you help with that? [15:43] stickster: possibly. [15:43] ianweller, lol [15:43] i just have to work around a schedule that isn't the same every week [15:43] tw2113: In fact, quaid or I may be able to help with that. [15:43] i have to work around school, and homework, and ughhhhhh [15:43] The changes are made to a site to which we have access [15:43] ianweller: no problem [15:43] i'll do what i can. [15:43] i can pester ricky for some help too if i need to [15:44] * ianweller wishes summer lasted 11 months [15:44] tw2113: OK, I'll put in a 2-week status call [15:44] k [15:44] Cool! [15:44] Well, that's it for the agenda. [15:44] Open floor! [15:44] oh goody, my computer's keyboard and mouse just locked up again [15:44] * stickster sure if gregdek were here, he'd have something sage to say, but I'm spent for the day. [15:44] who ordered the 15 pizzas? [15:45] * stickster edits Tasks page while others talk about marketing stuff (hopefully) [15:45] stickster: what's the status of trademark guidelines for business cards? [15:45] ianweller: Actually, we discussed that at the Board meeting this week [15:45] i saw that in the notes, that's why i ask :P [15:45] ah [15:45] Well, what we were thinking is that we *want* everyone to use the standard cards [15:45] *and* [15:46] We would like people to include on the cards something that indicates how they can be "found" on our system, so recipients can verify the person is in Fedora [15:46] i wonder if there's a command line tool i can use to get my keyboard and mouse unfrozen. [15:46] ianweller: yum install unbreakmydevices [15:46] stickster: i wish! [15:47] Then you SMASH IT WITH A HAMMER!!! [15:47] just throw them out the window ianweller [15:47] the higher up you are, the better [15:47] i know it's not a hardware problem [15:47] it's a fedora problem. [15:47] and that's what makes me mad [15:47] ianweller, same here [15:47] * ianweller sshes in and init 3;init 5 [15:47] OK, are we done with marketing then? [15:47] my personal lappy gets in same condition any time [15:47] stickster, seems so :) [15:48] 5 [15:48] 4 [15:48] --> jesolato has joined this channel (i=jesolato@64-238-187-68.cty.apt.gru.net). [15:48] 3 [15:48] 2 [15:48] 1 [15:48] 