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FosDemDocs ; do xmlformat -f ../../../docs-common/bin/xmlformat-fdp.conf $i &gt; tmpfile; mv tmpfile $i; done 18:35 quaid so I did that 18:35 stickster The xmlformat thing quaid is doing is basically just "prettying up" the text with good indentation, etc. so it's easier to read 18:35 quaid now when you cvs up -d, you'll get lots of pretty XML 18:35</a> <tr id="t18:36:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">the -f docs-common/bin/xmlformat-fdp.conf is the customized configuration file we have done for FDP 18:36</a> <tr id="t18:37:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it tells the formatter to e.g. ignore &lt;screen&gt; blocks, which are blocks of code you don't want to have the whitespacing formatted out 18:37</a> <tr id="t18:37:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">OK, added the local variables at end too 18:37</a> <tr id="t18:37:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">so now you can "cvs up" again 18:37</a> <tr id="t18:37:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">glezos <td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">thanks guyws 18:37</a> <tr id="t18:37:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">those are usefule for Emacs users 18:37</a> <tr id="t18:37:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and keeping things consistent 18:37</a> <tr id="t18:37:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">now you guys can safely open Emacs and start hacking on the XML without it being crazy 18:37</a> <tr id="t18:38:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">Because as everyone knows, Emacs is the best way to do all this ;-) *snicker 18:38</a>  <tr id="t18:38:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">heh 18:38</a>  <tr id="t18:38:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">glezos <td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">:) 18:38</a> <tr id="t18:38:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">is anyone working on the parent XML file? e.g. en_US/deskto-user-guide.xml? 18:38</a> <tr id="t18:38:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">Ooo, there you go 18:38</a> <tr id="t18:38:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">if not, I can hack one together quickly 18:38</a> <tr id="t18:39:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">Nah, let the newbies do it 18:39</a> <tr id="t18:39:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">use the release-notes/devel/en_US/release-notes.xml as a starting place 18:39</a> <tr id="t18:39:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">right <a href="#t18:39:23" class="time">18:39</a> <tr id="t18:39:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">sorry, s/release-notes/RELEASE-NOTES/ <a href="#t18:39:52" class="time">18:39</a> <tr id="t18:40:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">in that file, I recommend chopping out or just ignoring the &lt;!ENTITY BUG-URL and TINY-BUG-URL for now <a href="#t18:40:43" class="time">18:40</a> <tr id="t18:40:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">yup <a href="#t18:40:53" class="time">18:40</a> <tr id="t18:41:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah, you are right, this is a relatively easy file to modify, and it is good stuff to look at <a href="#t18:41:57" class="time">18:41</a> <tr id="t18:42:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">glezos <td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">the list of XML files are duplicated in the Makefile and the desktop-user-guide.xml, right? <a href="#t18:42:49" class="time">18:42</a> <tr id="t18:44:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">right <a href="#t18:44:27" class="time">18:44</a> <tr id="t18:44:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">so the different xml-files should get a heading right? <a href="#t18:44:51" class="time">18:44</a> <tr id="t18:44:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">the d-u-g.xml is actually pulling the files in with XIncludes, where the Makefile needs the list of files ... well, I forget why the makefile needs the list :) <a href="#t18:44:58" class="time">18:44</a> <tr id="t18:45:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">glezos <td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">and since r.h.c is down, which package provides xmlto? <a href="#t18:45:04" class="time">18:45</a>  <tr id="t18:45:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">couf: yes, each file is a full xml file, with a header that says e.g.'chapter' instead of ;book' <a href="#t18:45:33" class="time">18:45</a>  <tr id="t18:46:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">rpm -q --whatprovides  <a href="#t18:46:16" class="time">18:46</a>  <tr id="t18:46:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">xmlto-0.0.18-13.1 <a href="#t18:46:18" class="time">18:46</a> <tr id="t18:47:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">glezos <td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">thanks <a href="#t18:47:30" class="time">18:47</a> <tr id="t18:48:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">couf: you can look at the files in release-notes/devel/en_US/ to see how each XML should be prepared. <a href="#t18:48:02" class="time">18:48</a> <tr id="t18:51:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">quaid: yeah <a href="#t18:51:21" class="time">18:51</a> <tr id="t18:52:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">quaid: getting error with tables-stuff, should this be changed in xml? <a href="#t18:52:23" class="time">18:52</a> <tr id="t18:52:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">we're working on Communications.xml to know how everything works <a href="#t18:52:44" class="time">18:52</a> <tr id="t18:53:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">exact error is: <a href="#t18:53:27" class="time">18:53</a> <tr id="t18:53:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">./Communications.xml:404: element table: validity error : Element table content does not follow the DTD, expecting ((blockinfo? , (title, titleabbrev?) , indexterm* , textobject* , (graphic+ | mediaobject+ | tgroup+)) | (caption , (col* | colgroup*) , thead? , tfoot? , (tbody+ | tr+))), got (caption tgroup para para ) <a href="#t18:53:33" class="time">18:53</a> <tr id="t18:55:13"><td class="action" colspan="2">*quaid looks <a href="#t18:55:13" class="time">18:55</a> <tr id="t18:56:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, 404 should be the line number <a href="#t18:56:28" class="time">18:56</a> <tr id="t18:57:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">yeah, we're getting some of those error's <a href="#t18:57:31" class="time">18:57</a> <tr id="t18:57:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">can you check in this version of Communications.xml so I can see it? <a href="#t18:57:31" class="time">18:57</a> <tr id="t18:57:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">glezos <td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">quaid, its checked in <a href="#t18:57:43" class="time">18:57</a> <tr id="t18:59:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">with the DOCTYPE header included? <a href="#t18:59:01" class="time">18:59</a> <tr id="t18:59:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">quaid: not yet, hang on <a href="#t18:59:53" class="time">18:59</a> <tr id="t18:59:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">different version <a href="#t18:59:56" class="time">18:59</a> <tr id="t19:00:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">k <a href="#t19:00:01" class="time">19:00</a> <tr id="t19:01:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">now it should be <a href="#t19:01:16" class="time">19:01</a> <tr id="t19:02:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, good, now I'm looking at the same line numbering <a href="#t19:02:56" class="time">19:02</a> <tr id="t19:03:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">glezos <td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">quaid, this cool guy sitting next to me hacking on the DUG is *also* documenting each step for future reference.. how cool is that. <a href="#t19:03:02" class="time">19:03</a> <tr id="t19:03:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser <td class="text" style="color: #42427e">thanks, cool guy! <a href="#t19:03:32" class="time">19:03</a> <tr id="t19:03:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://www.docbook.org/tdg/en/html/table.html">http://www.docbook.org/tdg/en/html/table.html</a> is where I'm looking <a href="#t19:03:33" class="time">19:03</a> <tr id="t19:03:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">glezos: :D <a href="#t19:03:41" class="time">19:03</a> <tr id="t19:04:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ah, the admonition problem! <a href="#t19:04:25" class="time">19:04</a> <tr id="t19:04:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, so here's one of the problems we currently have with wiki =&gt; XML <a href="#t19:04:38" class="time">19:04</a> <tr id="t19:04:45"><td class="action" colspan="2">*stickster gets back from furniture moving <a href="#t19:04:45" class="time">19:04</a> <tr id="t19:04:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">there is no sense of an admonition in the Wiki <a href="#t19:04:58" class="time">19:04</a> <tr id="t19:05:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we use a e.g.  in a table, but that is a visual formatting <a href="#t19:05:08" class="time">19:05</a> <tr id="t19:05:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so, the table that is erroring here needs to be replaced with a proper admonition <a href="#t19:05:23" class="time">19:05</a> <tr id="t19:05:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">in fact, you'll probably find that _all_ tables in the XML are in fact admonitions <a href="#t19:05:34" class="time">19:05</a> <tr id="t19:05:36"><td class="action" colspan="2">*stickster hacks a couple things in d-u-g.xml <a href="#t19:05:36" class="time">19:05</a> <tr id="t19:05:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">does that make sense or should I update this XML to how what I mean? <a href="#t19:05:59" class="time">19:05</a> <tr id="t19:07:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">quaid: it makes some sense, but do show us <a href="#t19:07:06" class="time">19:07</a> <tr id="t19:08:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, fix checked in <a href="#t19:08:23" class="time">19:08</a> <tr id="t19:08:27"><td class="action" colspan="2">*glezos feels that these non-automatic procedures take the Handbook off the table completely... :( <a href="#t19:08:27" class="time">19:08</a>  <tr id="t19:08:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that is, not sure it will make the doc build stop breaking, but it should help :) <a href="#t19:08:35" class="time">19:08</a> <tr id="t19:08:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">glezos: this is the broken part that we had all the GSoC coding done for ... which we are still not using <a href="#t19:08:57" class="time">19:08</a> <tr id="t19:09:17"><td class="action" colspan="2">*jmbuser makes note to self to do DocBook admonitions in comments to speed things up in the future <a href="#t19:09:17" class="time">19:09</a> <tr id="t19:09:18"><td class="action" colspan="2">*stickster fixes prolog in d-u-g.xml <a href="#t19:09:18" class="time">19:09</a> <tr id="t19:09:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">the "new" path is much better, for example, that's why we use the funky admonition style in the Docs/Beats/ <a href="#t19:09:19" class="time">19:09</a> <tr id="t19:09:39"><td class="action" colspan="2">*stickster notes that ReST has ability to do "real" admonitions <a href="#t19:09:39" class="time">19:09</a> <tr id="t19:09:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">Including all five of our types for DocBook, meaning they should come out correctly both visually and XMLish <a href="#t19:09:58" class="time">19:09</a> <tr id="t19:10:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser <td class="text" style="color: #42427e">stickster: another time you'll have to explain ReST - it kinda came out of nowhere for me <a href="#t19:10:33" class="time">19:10</a> <tr id="t19:10:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">jmbuser: <a href="http://docutils.sourceforge.net/rst.html">http://docutils.sourceforge.net/rst.html</a> <a href="#t19:10:59" class="time">19:10</a> <tr id="t19:11:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser <td class="text" style="color: #42427e">stickster: thanks <a href="#t19:11:17" class="time">19:11</a> <tr id="t19:12:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">quaid: right got that, what are the possible admonittions? <a href="#t19:12:07" class="time">19:12</a> <tr id="t19:12:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok <a href="#t19:12:35" class="time">19:12</a> <tr id="t19:12:44"><td class="action" colspan="2">*couf notes: one file to help out, the rest will be doable, I hope <a href="#t19:12:44" class="time">19:12</a> <tr id="t19:13:03"><td class="action" colspan="2">*stickster adds doc-entities.xml file too <a href="#t19:13:03" class="time">19:13</a> <tr id="t19:13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">couf: note, tip, important, caution, warning <a href="#t19:13:19" class="time">19:13</a> <tr id="t19:13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">stickster: thanks <a href="#t19:13:33" class="time">19:13</a> <tr id="t19:13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">see also the Documentation Guide for how to use each one <a href="#t19:13:37" class="time">19:13</a> <tr id="t19:13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing#Admonitions">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing#Admonitions</a> <a href="#t19:13:38" class="time">19:13</a> <tr id="t19:13:47"><td class="action" colspan="2">*quaid saves that  <a href="#t19:13:47" class="time">19:13</a> <tr id="t19:14:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that helps, because the wiki only shows you which was used <a href="#t19:14:31" class="time">19:14</a> <tr id="t19:16:36"><td class="action" colspan="2">*stickster corrects relative path in doc-entities.xml <a href="#t19:16:36" class="time">19:16</a> <tr id="t19:16:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">Everybody make sure you cvs-up <a href="#t19:16:41" class="time">19:16</a> <tr id="t19:17:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">stickster: hmm getting errors now <a href="#t19:17:51" class="time">19:17</a> <tr id="t19:17:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">couf: To be expected. <a href="#t19:17:58" class="time">19:17</a> <tr id="t19:18:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">stickster: aah okay <a href="#t19:18:11" class="time">19:18</a> <tr id="t19:18:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">couf: You mean 'C'onflicts in CVS? <a href="#t19:18:12" class="time">19:18</a> <tr id="t19:18:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">Or when you do a "make validate-xml"? <a href="#t19:18:21" class="time">19:18</a> <tr id="t19:18:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">stickster: no, in the make <a href="#t19:18:22" class="time">19:18</a> <tr id="t19:18:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">OK, yes, perfectly expected at this point. <a href="#t19:18:27" class="time">19:18</a> <tr id="t19:18:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">right <a href="#t19:18:34" class="time">19:18</a> <tr id="t19:18:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">There's a lot of XML still to be fixed. <a href="#t19:18:39" class="time">19:18</a> <tr id="t19:18:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">right <a href="#t19:18:41" class="time">19:18</a> <tr id="t19:18:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">couf: Believe it or not, those error message *will* tell you exactly where the problem is. <a href="#t19:18:52" class="time">19:18</a> <tr id="t19:18:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">the technique is, you go through and fix all you know (such as table =&gt; admonition) <a href="#t19:18:54" class="time">19:18</a> <tr id="t19:18:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">then you build, it breaks, and you fix that <a href="#t19:18:59" class="time">19:18</a> <tr id="t19:19:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">repeat until it stops breaking <a href="#t19:19:08" class="time">19:19</a> <tr id="t19:19:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">You just need to take your time and read the error messages... believe me, it takes a *lot* of patience sometimes!!! <a href="#t19:19:16" class="time">19:19</a> <tr id="t19:19:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">one clue is ... <a href="#t19:19:25" class="time">19:19</a> <tr id="t19:19:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it dumps all the output for you, so the error is often buried somewhere <a href="#t19:19:39" class="time">19:19</a> <tr id="t19:20:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">if you start at the bottom of the error content and work backward, you can find the spot where "warning" becomes "error" <a href="#t19:20:05" class="time">19:20</a> <tr id="t19:20:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">Ah, I also needed to commit the new Makefile stuff, sorrry <a href="#t19:20:15" class="time">19:20</a> <tr id="t19:20:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">cvs up again <a href="#t19:20:18" class="time">19:20</a> <tr id="t19:20:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">aah <a href="#t19:20:18" class="time">19:20</a> <tr id="t19:20:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">Now you'll get different and all-new errors! <a href="#t19:20:27" class="time">19:20</a> <tr id="t19:20:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">stickster: that's better :) <a href="#t19:20:34" class="time">19:20</a> <tr id="t19:20:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">it was an error on your doc-entities, that's way I mentioned it <a href="#t19:20:45" class="time">19:20</a>  <tr id="t19:20:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">now gone <a href="#t19:20:53" class="time">19:20</a>  <tr id="t19:21:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">Yup, my fault entirely, forgot to tell the Makefile they were there so it could build the .ent from the .xml <a href="#t19:21:12" class="time">19:21</a>  <tr id="t19:21:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">heh, no problem <a href="#t19:21:55" class="time">19:21</a> <tr id="t19:22:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: Are we doing this as &lt;article&gt; with &lt;section&gt;s or &lt;book&gt; with &lt;chapter&gt;s (like other guides)? <a href="#t19:22:24" class="time">19:22</a> <tr id="t19:23:02"><td class="action" colspan="2">*stickster asks before we start putting prologs in all the files <a href="#t19:23:02" class="time">19:23</a> <tr id="t19:23:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">book and chapter, i thought <a href="#t19:23:14" class="time">19:23</a> <tr id="t19:23:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">cool <a href="#t19:23:22" class="time">19:23</a> <tr id="t19:24:10"><td class="action" colspan="2">*stickster makes change in Communications, should be easily mergeable <a href="#t19:24:10" class="time">19:24</a> <tr id="t19:24:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">OK, committed <a href="#t19:24:39" class="time">19:24</a> <tr id="t19:27:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">so I just committed the new Communications with all admonitions <a href="#t19:27:38" class="time">19:27</a> <tr id="t19:27:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">stickster, quaid: could anyone just check it? <a href="#t19:27:50" class="time">19:27</a> <tr id="t19:28:20"><td class="action" colspan="2">*stickster needs to correct XPointer real quick <a href="#t19:28:20" class="time">19:28</a> <tr id="t19:31:40"><td class="action" colspan="2">*stickster is fixing some rpm-info problems, hang on <a href="#t19:31:40" class="time">19:31</a> <tr id="t19:31:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">rpm-info must be valid for anything else to work properly :-) <a href="#t19:31:55" class="time">19:31</a> <tr id="t19:32:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser <td class="text" style="color: #42427e">(makes small talk) how did the talks go? <a href="#t19:32:39" class="time">19:32</a>  <tr id="t19:33:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">OK, couf, good work, that file is valid <a href="#t19:33:37" class="time">19:33</a>  <tr id="t19:33:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">cvs up to get my changes <a href="#t19:33:44" class="time">19:33</a>  <tr id="t19:34:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">couf: Well, it still needs to get all the attachments added in the XML now <a href="#t19:34:18" class="time">19:34</a> <tr id="t19:34:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">glezos <td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">stickster, you do all each time you produce the doc from the Beats? <a href="#t19:34:51" class="time">19:34</a> <tr id="t19:35:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">stickster: so how do you do that <a href="#t19:35:03" class="time">19:35</a> <tr id="t19:35:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">? <a href="#t19:35:03" class="time">19:35</a> <tr id="t19:35:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">couf: Just download the attachments and "cvs add" and "cvs commit" them in en_US/figs/ <a href="#t19:35:20" class="time">19:35</a> <tr id="t19:35:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">glezos: Well, it's much easier when the docs are written to specific XML porting standards... :-) <a href="#t19:35:40" class="time">19:35</a> <tr id="t19:35:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">And hopefully if we use ReST that will be even easier <a href="#t19:35:48" class="time">19:35</a>  <tr id="t19:36:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">And the rpm-info and Makefile stuff gets out of the way only once per doc <a href="#t19:36:10" class="time">19:36</a>  <tr id="t19:36:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">But yes, we have to do a little XML hand-cobbling anytime we do a mass import <a href="#t19:36:18" class="time">19:36</a>  <tr id="t19:37:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">stickster: should I keep the names? <a href="#t19:37:04" class="time">19:37</a> <tr id="t19:37:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">couf: Sure, I don't think that's a problem. <a href="#t19:37:45" class="time">19:37</a> <tr id="t19:37:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">Bits are cheap if we end up needing to change them. <a href="#t19:37:52" class="time">19:37</a> <tr id="t19:38:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">Some things that are going to need fixing throughout: <a href="#t19:38:09" class="time">19:38</a> <tr id="t19:38:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">Turn all the menu selections into &lt;menuchoice&gt; elements <a href="#t19:38:18" class="time">19:38</a> <tr id="t19:38:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">Make sure &lt;ulink&gt; elements are concise <a href="#t19:38:33" class="time">19:38</a> <tr id="t19:38:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">couf: By the way, you should make sure all the attachments are no bigger than 500px wide <a href="#t19:38:49" class="time">19:38</a> <tr id="t19:39:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">You can use ImageMagick's "mogrify" command for this <a href="#t19:39:04" class="time">19:39</a> <tr id="t19:40:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">stickster: wide and/or high? <a href="#t19:40:19" class="time">19:40</a> <tr id="t19:40:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">wide <a href="#t19:40:40" class="time">19:40</a> <tr id="t19:40:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it would be cool if it had a 'valmorify' command <a href="#t19:40:50" class="time">19:40</a> <tr id="t19:40:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">? <a href="#t19:40:55" class="time">19:40</a> <tr id="t19:41:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">sorry, Team America reference <a href="#t19:41:13" class="time">19:41</a> <tr id="t19:41:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">heh <a href="#t19:41:21" class="time">19:41</a> <tr id="t19:41:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">they use 'valmorification' the way Calvin and Hobbes use 'transmogrify' <a href="#t19:41:44" class="time">19:41</a> <tr id="t19:42:11"><td class="action" colspan="2">*stickster needs to read writers list more carefully <a href="#t19:42:11" class="time">19:42</a> <tr id="t19:42:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">stickster: educate me <a href="#t19:42:43" class="time">19:42</a> <tr id="t19:46:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">stickster: mogrify -geometry 500 file.png? <a href="#t19:46:53" class="time">19:46</a> <tr id="t19:47:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">couf: Yes, I believe that's right <a href="#t19:47:04" class="time">19:47</a> <tr id="t19:47:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">Or it might be 'mogrify -scale 500 file.png' <a href="#t19:47:39" class="time">19:47</a> <tr id="t19:48:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">it seems to work <a href="#t19:48:12" class="time">19:48</a> <tr id="t19:48:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">OK <a href="#t19:48:30" class="time">19:48</a> <tr id="t19:48:43"><td class="action" colspan="2">*stickster updates colophon in rpm-info, time to cvs up again :-) <a href="#t19:48:43" class="time">19:48</a>  <tr id="t19:50:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">whoops, one more change needed there <a href="#t19:50:37" class="time">19:50</a>  <tr id="t19:51:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">One more cvs up :-) <a href="#t19:51:59" class="time">19:51</a> <tr id="t19:53:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">couf: OK, now for each of those locations in the document, you'll need to have an appropriate XML element. You can find examples all over, like the Installation Guide for instance <a href="#t19:53:46" class="time">19:53</a> <tr id="t19:54:17"><td class="action" colspan="2">*stickster wonders how ReST parsers might deal with this -- probably better. <a href="#t19:54:17" class="time">19:54</a> <tr id="t19:54:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">stickster: I see .eps files everywhere, do these need to be created aswell? <a href="#t19:54:55" class="time">19:54</a> <tr id="t19:55:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">Those are for the print version in PDFs; you probably don't need to do anything with those for now. <a href="#t19:55:17" class="time">19:55</a> <tr id="t19:56:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">My personal opinion is anything like that should be built from the source PNGs at render time anyway. <a href="#t19:56:04" class="time">19:56</a> <tr id="t19:56:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">right <a href="#t19:56:20" class="time">19:56</a> <tr id="t19:56:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">Minimize what we have to store in the SCM, in other words <a href="#t19:56:21" class="time">19:56</a> <tr id="t19:57:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">+1 <a href="#t19:57:55" class="time">19:57</a> <tr id="t20:00:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">stickster: I think somethings wrong with the placement of the figs <a href="#t20:00:59" class="time">20:00</a> <tr id="t20:01:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">shouldn't it be FC-6/figs <a href="#t20:01:12" class="time">20:01</a> <tr id="t20:01:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">in stead of FC-6/en_US/figs? <a href="#t20:01:22" class="time">20:01</a> <tr id="t20:01:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hmm, they can be translated, right? <a href="#t20:01:39" class="time">20:01</a> <tr id="t20:01:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">theoretically, that is <a href="#t20:01:44" class="time">20:01</a> <tr id="t20:01:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so each $LANG needs its own set? or ...? <a href="#t20:01:53" class="time">20:01</a> <tr id="t20:02:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: I believe the build tools take care of this. If they're translatable (i.e. screenshots) they should be in the $LANG directory. If no others are found, the $PRI_LANG ones get used in any $LANG in $OTHERS <a href="#t20:02:26" class="time">20:02</a> <tr id="t20:02:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">in install guide it's just beneath the devel or fc-x version <a href="#t20:02:31" class="time">20:02</a> <tr id="t20:02:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">Yeah, the build tools will search in several places for these. <a href="#t20:02:41" class="time">20:02</a> <tr id="t20:03:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">The situation in the Installation Guide is simply because no one ever provides translated screen shots, and I was too lazy to move them for now. <a href="#t20:03:01" class="time">20:03</a> <tr id="t20:03:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">:-D <a href="#t20:03:04" class="time">20:03</a> <tr id="t20:03:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">the makefile seems to be missing the right directory <a href="#t20:03:36" class="time">20:03</a> <tr id="t20:03:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">rrr? <a href="#t20:03:41" class="time">20:03</a> <tr id="t20:04:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">it's doing: [ ! -d figs ] || copy-figs -v -f '*.png' -l en_US figs desktop-user-guide-en_US <a href="#t20:04:11" class="time">20:04</a> <tr id="t20:04:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">and it isn't copying anything <a href="#t20:04:18" class="time">20:04</a> <tr id="t20:04:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">Arrrgh <a href="#t20:04:38" class="time">20:04</a> <tr id="t20:05:14"><td class="action" colspan="2">*stickster fixes prologs in all XML fiels <a href="#t20:05:14" class="time">20:05</a> <tr id="t20:05:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">*files <a href="#t20:05:14" class="time">20:05</a> <tr id="t20:05:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">heh <a href="#t20:05:26" class="time">20:05</a> <tr id="t20:05:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">couf: Please commit your changes to the XML file so I can test here <a href="#t20:05:54" class="time">20:05</a> <tr id="t20:07:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">stickster: done <a href="#t20:07:07" class="time">20:07</a> <tr id="t20:10:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">Heh, leave it to Tommy to write shell scripts in the most arcane possible way.l <a href="#t20:10:09" class="time">20:10</a> <tr id="t20:10:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">Why use $VARNAME when you can use $c ? <a href="#t20:10:20" class="time">20:10</a> <tr id="t20:11:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">OK... let's see if we can fix this <a href="#t20:11:17" class="time">20:11</a> <tr id="t20:13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">so okay, just to clearify, if I copy the figs directory one up, it works <a href="#t20:13:06" class="time">20:13</a> <tr id="t20:13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">quaid <td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes <a href="#t20:13:33" class="time">20:13</a> <tr id="t20:14:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">so should I move the dir on cvs or not? <a href="#t20:14:00" class="time">20:14</a> <tr id="t20:14:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">couf: Right <a href="#t20:14:04" class="time">20:14</a> <tr id="t20:14:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">I'm taking care of it, making it a little more obvious they're to be translated <a href="#t20:14:14" class="time">20:14</a> <tr id="t20:14:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">stickster: okay <a href="#t20:14:20" class="time">20:14</a> <tr id="t20:14:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">Why does my po dir keep disappearing? OH well <a href="#t20:14:52" class="time">20:14</a> <tr id="t20:18:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">OK, they're in the right place now <a href="#t20:18:11" class="time">20:18</a> <tr id="t20:18:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">cvs up and so forth :-) <a href="#t20:18:18" class="time">20:18</a> <tr id="t20:20:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">Oh crap, that is going to suck now. <a href="#t20:20:43" class="time">20:20</a>  <tr id="t20:21:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">okay works <a href="#t20:21:00" class="time">20:21</a>  <tr id="t20:21:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">OK, our whole copy-figs thing is completely fux0r3d. <a href="#t20:21:03" class="time">20:21</a>  <tr id="t20:21:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">couf: Well, it copies, but the sucky part is that now the lang codes are going to interfere with the L10N work <a href="#t20:21:22" class="time">20:21</a> <tr id="t20:21:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">yeah, will be a problem for a bit later <a href="#t20:21:50" class="time">20:21</a> <tr id="t20:21:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">Because I gave them names with a L10n code, it means the XML has to point to that file name. When a translator translates, they may not get the chance to change that file name. <a href="#t20:21:57" class="time">20:21</a> <tr id="t20:21:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">let's first get the full xml <a href="#t20:21:58" class="time">20:21</a> <tr id="t20:22:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">Thus the suck. <a href="#t20:22:01" class="time">20:22</a> <tr id="t20:22:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">Sure <a href="#t20:22:08" class="time">20:22</a> <tr id="t20:22:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">right <a href="#t20:22:09" class="time">20:22</a> <tr id="t20:22:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">couf: All right, what else do you need to keep going? <a href="#t20:22:23" class="time">20:22</a> <tr id="t20:22:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">I need to get some lunch and a bunch of other things done here today <a href="#t20:22:34" class="time">20:22</a> <tr id="t20:22:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">not much I think, I'll do a recap of what I know now <a href="#t20:22:47" class="time">20:22</a> <tr id="t20:23:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">1) check header of each xml-doc + add to parent file <a href="#t20:23:02" class="time">20:23</a> <tr id="t20:23:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">2) change admonition stuff <a href="#t20:23:11" class="time">20:23</a> <tr id="t20:23:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">3) figures <a href="#t20:23:14" class="time">20:23</a> <tr id="t20:23:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">right? <a href="#t20:23:19" class="time">20:23</a>  <tr id="t20:23:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">that will be a great start, also 1a) make sure the top-level element of each file is a &lt;chapter&gt; and not a &lt;section&gt; or &lt;article&gt; <a href="#t20:23:37" class="time">20:23</a> <tr id="t20:23:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">(close the tag at the end too) <a href="#t20:23:44" class="time">20:23</a> <tr id="t20:23:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">right <a href="#t20:23:54" class="time">20:23</a> <tr id="t20:24:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">cool then, don't worry about validation problems -- do your best and I will be happy to help house-clean later <a href="#t20:24:07" class="time">20:24</a> <tr id="t20:24:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">okay <a href="#t20:24:14" class="time">20:24</a> <tr id="t20:24:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">We'll also need to figure out this stupid figs deal. <a href="#t20:24:31" class="time">20:24</a> <tr id="t20:24:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">stickster <td class="text" style="color: #854685">It could be my lack of clue about the copy-figs script, I'll re-read when I'm not starving :-D <a href="#t20:24:45" class="time">20:24</a> <tr id="t20:26:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">all righty, gonna try to get the most done as long as time permits it here <a href="#t20:26:17" class="time">20:26</a> <tr id="t20:26:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">the rest'll be for tomorrow <a href="#t20:26:23" class="time">20:26</a> <tr id="t20:28:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser <td class="text" style="color: #42427e">couf: I tried to pay careful attention to what you guys were doing, but i got interrupted several times by phone calls - and my brain is tired from a full day's work. <a href="#t20:28:27" class="time">20:28</a> <tr id="t20:29:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">jmbuser: I'm trying to keep a list of what we've done, I'll pass it on to you, once it's got some cleanup doneµ <a href="#t20:29:07" class="time">20:29</a> <tr id="t20:29:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser <td class="text" style="color: #42427e">couf: Therefore, any notes you have - and I am saving this chat transcript as well - will be helpful. <a href="#t20:29:10" class="time">20:29</a> <tr id="t20:29:58"><td class="action" colspan="2">*jmbuser changes subject <a href="#t20:29:58" class="time">20:29</a> <tr id="t20:30:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser <td class="text" style="color: #42427e">couf: so, how's FOSDEM? <a href="#t20:30:10" class="time">20:30</a> <tr id="t20:30:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">it's good, a lot of people around <a href="#t20:30:31" class="time">20:30</a> <tr id="t20:30:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">fedora seems to be very active here in Europe <a href="#t20:30:39" class="time">20:30</a> <tr id="t20:30:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">glezos <td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">back from Django <a href="#t20:30:47" class="time">20:30</a> <tr id="t20:30:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">got to meet some nice people, like the guy next to me <a href="#t20:30:49" class="time">20:30</a> <tr id="t20:31:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">s/guy/guys <a href="#t20:31:00" class="time">20:31</a> <tr id="t20:31:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">glezos <td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">ok, I was convinced today that it would be impossible to produce a Handbook from the wiki. <a href="#t20:31:29" class="time">20:31</a> <tr id="t20:35:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser <td class="text" style="color: #42427e">glezos: "rest" sounds interesting, once I figure it out <a href="#t20:35:11" class="time">20:35</a> <tr id="t20:35:28"><td class="action" colspan="2">*ajaaya has joined #fedora-docs <a href="#t20:35:28" class="time">20:35</a> <tr id="t20:36:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser <td class="text" style="color: #42427e">couf: Thanks in advance <a href="#t20:36:36" class="time">20:36</a> <tr id="t20:36:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">glezos <td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">jmbuser, docutils? <a href="#t20:36:54" class="time">20:36</a> <tr id="t20:37:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser <td class="text" style="color: #42427e">glezos: yes, although I could use a rest :-) <a href="#t20:37:37" class="time">20:37</a> <tr id="t20:38:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">glezos <td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">:) <a href="#t20:38:12" class="time">20:38</a> <tr id="t20:38:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">jmbuser: np <a href="#t20:38:37" class="time">20:38</a> <tr id="t20:39:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">ajaaya <td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">#fedora-docs: hello <a href="#t20:39:47" class="time">20:39</a> <tr id="t20:40:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser <td class="text" style="color: #42427e">ajaaya: hi <a href="#t20:40:07" class="time">20:40</a> <tr id="t20:40:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">ajaaya <td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">jmbuser: did I miss the DUG to XML conversation? <a href="#t20:40:32" class="time">20:40</a> <tr id="t20:41:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser <td class="text" style="color: #42427e">ajaaya: yes, but I am logging the session and our guys at FOSDEM are producing notes <a href="#t20:41:22" class="time">20:41</a> <tr id="t20:41:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">ajaaya <td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">jmbuser: thanks mate <a href="#t20:41:42" class="time">20:41</a> <tr id="t20:43:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">jmbuser <td class="text" style="color: #42427e">ajaaya: I will put the log under my (not so) private wiki sandbox as JohnBabich/FosdemDocs in a few hours <a href="#t20:43:46" class="time">20:43</a> <tr id="t20:44:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">couf <td class="text" style="color: #818144">lol <a href="#t20:44:33" class="time">20:44</a> <tr id="t20:44:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">ajaaya <td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">jmbuser: kewl <a href="#t20:44:39" class="time">20:44</a>

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