SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-03-04

Meeting Time

 * 2008-03-04 16:00 UTC
 * #fedora-meeting on freenode

Participants

 * KevinKofler
 * LukasTinkl
 * PavelShevchuk (stalwart)
 * SebastianVahl
 * ThanNgo

Agenda

 * topics to discuss:
 * PolicyKit integration (#428212 )
 * KDE 4.0.2
 * Packaging API docs
 * Getting KDE 4 to use kde-settings defaults
 * Latest live CD testing feedback
 * Using ON_DEV when claiming bugs because ASSIGNED is now used for a different purpose by the triage team
 * split out of khelpcenter from kdebase3 (#435133 and #435873 )
 * recent bugs:
 * #435656 : closing bluemarble causes desktop session to end
 * #435956 : yum update removes kdewebdev

Transcript

 * fedora-kde-sig-2008-03-04.txt

Summary
PolicyKit integration:
 * LukasTinkl started a discussion with WillStephenson on how to implement PolicyKit support
 * But for the time being no work has done.
 * We should consider a quick hack for getting PolicyKit working for the Beta
 * Full PolicyKit support seems to be implemented by upstream for KDE 4.1

KDE 4.0.2:
 * KDE 4.0.2 is already in rawhide, official release will be tomorrow.
 * The docs in kde-l10n are still broken.
 * 4.0.2 versions of kiconedit and kcoloredit were built today.

Packaging API docs:
 * Currently we're not building API docs at all.
 * We should package it as *-apidocs sub packages like in KDE 3.
 * They should be provided at least for kdelibs, maybe kdepimlibs and soprano.
 * For minor packages api.kde.org is the place to start (unless someone files a bug for including them).

Getting KDE 4 to use kde-settings defaults:
 * KDE4 doesn't use the kiosktool setup we use in kde-settings.
 * This is also affecting the "KDE Development Platform" provided for F7 and F8 (eg. dolphin).
 * Short term solution: move the global configs back to $KDEDIR/share/config/.
 * Long term solution: fix KDE 4 to recognize the kiosk settings (with/in upstream).

Latest live CD testing feedback:
 * SebastianVahl prepared an actual live image for internal testing before the Beta.
 * KevinKofler reported some problems when running the image in qemu which don't seem to appear when running it natively:
 * KOrganizer's reminder applet isn't docked to plasma's systray
 * nm-applet isn't starting or connecting
 * This is maybe related to a not started dbus-session.
 * The "next" button in the installer seems to not work sometimes.
 * Because gparted was removed from livecd-fedora-base-desktop.ks amarok is back on the live images.

Using ON_DEV when claiming bugs because ASSIGNED is now used for a different purpose by the triage team:
 * According to recent changes of the bug triage team we should use ON_DEV instead of ASSIGNED now.
 * Proposed workflow: the person who takes responsibility for that bug assigns it to himself and set it to ON_DEV.

Split out of khelpcenter from kdebase3:
 * KDE3 applications will work fine with KDE4's khelpcenter but will need /usr/share/services/khelpcenter.desktop.
 * The decision was to include this as a seperate source in kdebase-runtime and avoid a hard require for khelpcenter.
 * So any KDE3 application will need also kdebase-runtime for displaying the help (which will mainly affect non-KDE users).
 * This will also free up some space on the live images because kdebase3 isn't needed for one single file.
 * We should consider adding this to the release notes.

Closing bluemarble causes desktop session to end:
 * The "3D Earth Desktop" applet kills the X-Server when using it without enabled OpenGL shaders support.
 * This is known upstream but nobody knows how to fix this.
 * Also the next release of extragear-plasma is not scheduled before KDE 4.1.
 * So bluemarble will be disabled for now.

yum update removes kdewebdev:
 * This is regarding to the multilib obsoletes hack introduced by the split into *-libs sub packages.
 * Because only kdewebdev requires kdewebdev-libs we will add a "Requires: kdewebdev" to kdewebdev-libs.

Comments
(These comments are written after the meeting)