QA/Meetings/20090727

= Attendees =


 * Adam Williamson (adamw)
 * David Pravec (dpravec)
 * James Laska (jlaska)
 * (jeff_hann)
 * Jesse Keating (f13)
 * Jóhann Guðmundsson (viking-ice)
 * John Poelstra (poelcat)
 * Kamil Paral (kparal)
 * Seth Vidal (skvidal)
 * Will Woods (wwoods)

= Agenda =

Proposed meeting agenda

Previous meeting follow-up

 * 1) [Viking-Ice] - updating meeting channel page w/ new QA time
 * 2) * Updated Meeting_channel
 * 3) * User:kparal updated future QA meeting wiki QA/Meetings
 * 4) [jlaska] - discuss ideas with fedora-infrastructure for getting test candidates out to testers
 * 5) * Jlaska spoke to mmcgrath about potential bandwith/performance problems. Mmcgrath indicated the system has been newly updated and he was not aware of any previous performance bottlenecks.  Recommended continuing as planned with announcing the test images to fedora-test-list, and the infrastructure team will monitor alt.fedoraproject.org for any issues.
 * 6) * Issue summarized in the infrastructure ticket - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1554
 * 7) [Viking-Ice] - update on Dracut testing considerations (see agenda item below)
 * 8) * See agenda below

Dracut rawhide testing update
With the new meeting time, there was less time since the last meeting for follow-up on this item. Viking_ice requested keeping this topic on the agenda for next meeting.

Alpha test compose
An F12 Alpha test compose is scheduled for delivery this Wednesday, 2009-07-29 (see schedule). Liam Li has invited install testers to contribute results against the upcoming Alpha Candidate.


 * See mailing list announcement
 * See QA:Fedora_12_Install_Test_Plan
 * See QA:Fedora_12_Alpha_Install_Test_Results

f13 indicated we are in good shape, except several install test blockers on list, including:
 * - AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'name'
 * - parted.Disk.duplicate exception in storage scan
 * - Rawhide missing images

Kparal informed the team that 2 bugs still needed testing. The team agreed these issues were Alpha blockers since virt is becoming a key part of test automation.
 * - ImportError: No module named decorator
 * - Detecting devices crashes

Alpha blocker bug day#3
In preparation for this Friday's blocker bug day#3, jlaska asked the group for volunteers to help announce and summarize the event (in accordance with the draft SOP ).

Whose got the ball(s)?
 * Poelcat agreed to send out a blocker bug meeting announcement
 * Adamw agreed to follow-up the meeting with a summary of actions
 * Jlaska challenged someone to bring some fun ascii art to the meeting, dpravec accepted the challenge

AutoQA update
Wwoods informed the team that 7 of 12 tests from the QA:Rawhide_Acceptance_Test_Plan are now automated. Will plans to announce recent changes through a combination of wiki documentation and blog posts. Wwoods was also debating enabling test results by email to increase visibility of test results until a production server is available.

Dpravec updated the group on testing status of the autotest package. The latest version appears to be missing a file which results in a failure. More infomation posted to https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/ticket/9#comment:32. F13 plans to investigate the packaging failure soon.

Mass rebuild
f13 informed the team about the upcoming rawhide rebuild to accomodate:
 * New i686 architecture
 * New compression - see Features/XZRpmPayloads
 * New glibc and gcc

This change introduces a upgrade problem for testers already on rawhide -- see. The team discussed how to document upgrading for current rawhide testers and concluded posting a guide to the http://rawhidewatch.wordpress.com blog was the best avenue. The current recommended upgrade procedure for testers already on rawhide is:
 * Install rpm package from f11-updates repo

Jlaska took an action item to discuss with Warren.

Test Day Live image script
Kparal notified the team that the current Test Day creation script (see QA/Test_Days/Live_Image) incorrectly uses Fedora 11 as a base repo. Jlaska indicated he has been secretly using a slightly modified version of the script for building test day images. Kparal was investigating updates to the recommended procedure to cleanly recommend using the rawhide package repo.

QA blogs request?
Viking_ice informed the team that no progress has been made on his fedora-infrastructure request for a QA blog. Viking_ice asked the team how they plan to inform people of QA activities.

Adamw responded that currently, he, wwoods and jlaska have blogs that are aggregated on fedora planet and they blog about QA significant events. Viking_ice indicated a strong preference for an official QA blog. Some discussion followed as to whether a dedicated QA wordpress instance, or an aggregated fedora planet QA feed would be the best solution in the short term.

No conclusion was reached in the meeting.


= Upcoming QA events =


 * 2009-07-28 - BugZappers/Triage_days
 * 2009-07-29 - Alpha Test Compose
 * 2009-08-03 - QA/Meetings/20090803 at 16:00 UTC

= Action items =


 * [jlaska] - file bug against distribution for rawhide pungi problems
 * [poelcat] - to send blocker bug meeting announce
 * [adamw] - to summarize blocker meeting
 * [dpravec] - posting some fun ascii art for blocker bug meeting
 * [jlaska] - talk to warren about a rawhidewatch post on rpm xz workaround for rawhide testers
 * [kparal] - investigate updates to Test Day livecd-creator instructions

= IRC transcript =

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