SIGs/Store/Meetings/2008-04-02

= Meeting of 2008-04-02 =

14:00 < iWolf> Any one around for a Store SIG meeting? 14:01 i am available 14:01 < iWolf> cool, we'll see if more folks show up or not. 14:01 < iWolf> should be a short meeting regardless. 14:02 i'm just being a bum applying for a part time job and seeing how many 5 year old kids i could take in a fight 14:03 < iWolf> lol 14:03 http://www.howmanyfiveyearoldscouldyoutakeinafight.com/ <--for your wtf moment 14:03 < iWolf> how many 5 years olds are you to? 14:03 < EvilBob> tw2113: I know my number 14:03 * iWolf bets EvilBob has a high number 14:03 < EvilBob> tw2113: 1 girl 14:03 touche bob 14:04 < EvilBob> tw2113: but she will kill me on even a slightly off day 14:04 < EvilBob> the boys it would take about a dozen I think 14:04 < EvilBob> but they are only 2 and 3 14:05 < EvilBob> doing daycare is fun really 14:05 until the poo hits the diaper 14:05 < EvilBob> except for the whining and bathroom stuff 14:05 < iWolf> Okay, 5 after and have two folks! 14:06 < iWolf> So, uh - world's shortest meeting. 14:06 < EvilBob> 14:06 < iWolf> I received my test shirt from spreadshirt.com and the quality was better than cafepress.com by a good margin. 14:06 < EvilBob> Cool 14:06 < iWolf> the colors of the logo were just a touch off, but only really noticeable when compared to a color accurate shirt. 14:06 < iWolf> jas 14:07 we could probably talk to them about the colors too 14:07 < iWolf> sorry, back. 14:07 < iWolf> i asked if they could make them off the CMYK values or not and they said no. 14:08 < iWolf> so i am going to ask the french folks if they just ran with it or what they did. 14:08 < iWolf> because they are currently using spreadshirt. 14:08 sounds like a good plan 14:08 < iWolf> it seems in order to get things printed fast, these places don't have much interest in CMYK values. 14:09 that sounds really odd 14:09 because printing is based on it 14:09 < iWolf> yeah, i may have just had a support person that was not fully knowledgeable. 14:09 < iWolf> which is why i want to check with the french ambassadors to see if they are doing anything different. 14:10 < iWolf> quality of the shirt and the printing was good though. 14:10 were the colors off to really be much of an issue? 14:10 < iWolf> and we can have a US based store and a UK based store for Europe to cover some of the bigger regions. 14:11 < iWolf> axelilly: to be honest, when i opened the box, i was really impressed. then i compared it to anotehr screen printed shirt i have and saw they were off a bit. 14:11 < iWolf> whereas the cafepress shirt, i knew as soon as i opened it that it was wrong. 14:11 < iWolf> so, they weren't horribly off. 14:11 < EvilBob> You know after you wear and wash them a few times nothing will match 14:11 < iWolf> EvilBob: very true. 14:11 EvilBob: good point 14:12 < iWolf> and it was close enough it may not matter given the need to go with print on demand. 14:12 < EvilBob> Even the current shirts are not perfect 14:12 iWolf: I think it's a good sign that you were 'impressed' when you opened the box 14:12 < iWolf> so, i will see if the french ambassadors did anything different or if they are printing in the same manner i had the test shirt done. 14:13 < EvilBob> The current shirts are a hanes tagless, a nice shirt really 14:13 * axelilly checks to see if there is a tag upgrade 14:13 i have one from brandfuel somewhere here in my apartment 14:13 < iWolf> The spreadshirt one was a heavyweight tagless as well, so the shirt seemed to be of good quality. 14:13 < EvilBob> iWolf: +1 14:14 < iWolf> i don't have a brandfuel one to look at - mine are from a local shop who did a great job, and cafepress, a vendor Thomas Chung used and now spreadshirt. 14:14 iWolf: was there any price difference between spreadshirt and cafepress? 14:14 < iWolf> axelilly: they are both sort of pricey, with spreadshirt being about a $1 higher i think. 14:14 * EvilBob has seen both really nice and really bad stuff from cafepress 14:15 the additional $1 may be worth it for the quality reliability of the product. 14:15 < iWolf> my next step is going to be to bring Max back into the loop for additional feedback 14:15 < EvilBob> I think it might be 14:15 < iWolf> axelilly: yeah, the cafepress shirt was pretty bad. 14:15 < iWolf> the colors were obviously off and the printing was smudged. 14:15 < iWolf> i don't even consider them an option from what i saw on my test shirt. 14:16 < iWolf> in fact, i requested a refund from them - which on their behalf they were very cool about. 14:16 < EvilBob> iWolf: I will second that opinion 14:16 they probably get that a lot 14:16 -!- fabian_a [n=fabian@77-57-95-219.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #fedora-mktg 14:16 depends on how prominent the refund link is on their website 14:16 < EvilBob> if it was bad lets just drop them 14:17 < iWolf> cafrepress does advertise they will do a 30 refund if you aren't satisfied. 14:17 < EvilBob> we don't want crappy product IMO 14:17 < EvilBob> even if they give a refund 14:17 EvilBob: +1 14:17 < iWolf> EvilBob: that's my thoughts, regardless of customer service we would rather people not be disappointed.14:17 < iWolf> though i haven't returned anything to spreadshirt, they have always answered my questions in under 24 hours. 14:17 yea, it's important to make Fedora look good with good product 14:18 < iWolf> i *wish* we could do a storefront with some inventory, as i think we could really get high quality stuff, but we aren't there yet. 14:18 < EvilBob> one step at a time 14:18 < iWolf> EvilBob: i agree. 14:18 -!- pingou [n=Pingou@fedora/pingou] has joined #fedora-mktg 14:19 just to clarify for myself...all product will be 'on demand' at this point? 14:19 < iWolf> axelilly: all product for "end users" would be on demand. 14:19 < iWolf> for ambassadors who need items in bulk, we would refer them to the AmbassadorVendor page in the wiki. 14:19 ok 14:19 < iWolf> where we are trying to list places that have worked with us in the past. 14:20 < iWolf> bulk orders through the print on demand places are still much higher than from an actual print shop. 14:20 < iWolf> the goal is to have a store.fp.o page that points folks to the appropriate place and highlights some fo the products they could order. 14:21 i imagine no one has done a mockup yet for that 14:21 < iWolf> s/fo/of 14:21 < iWolf> tw2113: nope! not yet. 14:21 mockups are a bit of a sore spot for me from a recent job interview 14:21 so i may end up taking that on just for some experience 14:21 < iWolf> i am hoping once we settle on a place, that we can get someone to step up on that. 14:22 < iWolf> :) i saw that in your blog and nearly posted a comment saying i knew a place you could get some mockup experience... 14:22 * axelilly is not very artistic 14:22  * iWolf is not artistic either 14:22 < iWolf> though i have threatened to do a mockup 14:22 yeah 14:23 < EvilBob> more autistic than artistic some days 14:23 i just put it down on my evolving "to do" list 14:23 < iWolf> tw2113: sounds good. 14:23 well, some times you gotta just do it 14:23 < iWolf> and that's where the Store SIG is at today. 14:23 < iWolf> slow, but steady progress. 14:23 < iWolf> anyone have any questions? 14:24 I do 14:24 what's the square root of 42 squared? 14:24 where will the money that the store generates go? 14:24 42 ? 14:24  * axelilly looks for his bank account number ;) 14:25 < iWolf> axelilly: it will all go back to the project in some fashion. i don't think any of us are looking to make lots of money and will probably sell items at just enough to pay for any administrative fees. 14:25 the answer to life the universe and everything my friends 14:25 < iWolf> for example, spreadshirt will let you upgrade your store for more cusomizatio options. 14:25 yea, I figured there was some kind of account that holds fedora money some where 14:25 < EvilBob> I woudl think that if there is any profit we could/should use it to help off set expenses for supplies for ambassadors 14:26 < iWolf> axelilly: a lot of the money portion will be coordinated with Max. 14:26 sounds good 14:26 < iWolf> anybody else have a question before we wrap up? 14:26 < EvilBob> Not I 14:27 no 14:27 fin 14:27 < iWolf> and I think tw2113 answered his own question. 14:27 < iWolf> ;) 14:28 the question about "42" is how you can apply it to yourself 14:28 < iWolf> then we'll call it a meeting. i will post the log to the list. 14:28 < iWolf>  14:28 < iWolf> thanks for attending and the feedback, much appreciated!