Meeting:Zh/Meetings/2008-01-04

策划
议题需要包括


 * 继续邀请加入 fedora-cn Google Group 暨邮件列表 ，帮助申请 fedora 贡献者帐号


 * 各项工作的总结和安排：文档的撰写，翻译，打包和审核

日志
--- Log opened 五 1月 04 20:01:08 2008 --- Log closed 五 1月 04 20:01:13 2008 --- Log opened 五 1月 04 20:01:14 2008 20:01 -!- hers [n=yuan@fedora/hers] has joined #fedora-cn 20:01 -!- Topic for #fedora-cn: #fedora-cn: /charset utf-8 | 邮件列表 http://groups.google.com/group/fedora-cn | 论坛 http://www.linuxsir.org/bbs/forumdisplay.php?f=40 | Wiki http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/zh_CN | 软件仓库 ftp://ftp.fedora.cn | 20071108 fedora 8 发布 http://torrent.fedoraproject.org | 周五20:00 IRC聚会 20080104 20:01 -!- Topic set by byuan [] [Sun Dec 30 14:22:47 2007] 20:01 [Users #fedora-cn] 20:01 [@ChanServ    ]  [+raywang       ]  [ Epocher   ]  [ r0bertz|work] 20:01 [+abner       ]  [+ricky         ]  [ freeflying]  [ rainy       ] 20:01 [+cwelton     ]  [+yshao         ]  [ hers      ]  [ shpchp      ] 20:01 [+eugene      ]  [ ajneok        ]  [ jcome     ]  [ ssgg        ] 20:01 [+fedora-badboy] [ angel_cat     ]  [ jhwhb1    ]  [ tpxcer      ] 20:01 [+gcell       ]  [ AutumnCat     ]  [ JoeBorn   ]  [ w3d1w4_     ] 20:01 [+hellwolf    ]  [ candyz0416    ]  [ kldoo     ]  [ xHellwolf   ] 20:01 [+keimoto     ]  [ christina_chen]  [ nihui     ]  [ Yuxans      ] 20:01 [+keimoto_co  ]  [ DawnFantasy   ]  [ r0bertz   ] 20:01 -!- Irssi: #fedora-cn: Total of 35 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 11 voices, 23 normal] 20:01 -!- mode/#fedora-cn [+v hers] by ChanServ 20:01 -!- Channel #fedora-cn created Sun Nov 26 14:42:54 2006 20:02 -!- Irssi: Join to #fedora-cn was synced in 60 secs 20:03 -!- w3d1w4_ [n=chatzill@218.11.53.2] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718] " 20:03 <+hers> 这个是什么错误？ 启动 httpd：httpd: apr_sockaddr_info_get failed for mstar.sz 20:03 <+hers> httpd: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName 20:03 <+hers> no listening sockets available, shutting down 20:03 <+hers> Unable to open logs 20:04 < Epocher> hers, 前面的错误是没有设置域句 20:04 < Epocher> hers, 前面的错误是没有设置域名 20:05 < Epocher> 后面是端口打不开 20:05 <+hers> 怎么设置呢？我的 hosts 是 [root@mstar ~] # cat /etc/hosts 20:05 <+hers> # Do not remove the following line, or various programs 20:05 <+hers> # that require network functionality will fail. 20:05 <+hers> 127.0.0.1      localhost.localdomain   localhost       mstar.sz        mstar 20:05 <+hers> 至于端口，没有开 skype，还有谁会占用 80? 20:06 <+gcell> Epocher: 您老用什么版本的scim?或者这只是Fedora的问题,Gentoo没问题 20:07 < Epocher> httpd.conf 里的 ServerName 必须是DNS能解析的域名，或 hosts 里有的 20:07 < Epocher> gcell, 我不老... 20:07 < Epocher> app-i18n/scim-1.4.7 20:09 <+gcell> Epocher: 尊称么,我的是1.4.6可能是新版修正了,gentoo就是好啊,跟着源码走,冲在最前线 20:10 <+hers> 晕，不能用 mstar.sz 这种 hostname，是别人的域名…… 可是为什么会认为这样的域名优先级不够呢 20:10 < Epocher> gcell, 都一样用的... 个人爱好不同而已... 20:11 今天的主题是什么? 20:11 <+gcell> Epocher: 确实,我习惯Fedora系列了,不过对gentoo很有兴趣,等有时间了要试试 20:12 < Epocher> :D 20:12 -!- Administrator [n=chatzill@221.234.243.39] has joined #fedora-cn 20:12 < Administrator> hello,i am wolook 20:12 <+hers> jcome~ 这一周没人登记主题到 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/zh_CN/Meetings/Latest 20:12 <+hers> jcome~ 也没人向 AskFedora 提问 20:13 < Administrator> is any body here? 20:13 <+hers> hi, Administrator 我看 20:13 -!- Administrator is now known as wolook 20:13 <+hers> hi, wolook 20:14 <+hers> 还是有问题，这次诡异得很 20:14 你好hers，你说什么比较诡异？ 20:14 <+gcell> 没什么活力 20:14 这里没有什么人呀 20:15 <+hers> http://rafb.net/p/L022ow78.html 20:15 http://www.linuxsir.org/bbs/thread320887.html这个问题谁能够帮我支持一下. 20:15 <+hers> wolook~ 你爱热闹就多说说话 20:15 帮我解决一下这个问题,和迷茫对于这个问题 20:17 最好去回复一下~谢谢 20:18 <+gcell> wolook: 已回,好方法 20:18 thanks~ 20:19 我想知道你们学习Linux的时候是直接在xp电脑上面再安装一个linux吗? 20:20 <+gcell> wolook: 是的,我是的,但是很久没有进XP了 20:20 我主要xp要工作用,想知道学习Linux买一台2手电脑可以吗?速度不会有太大影响吧? 20:21 我主要是学习用fedora做服务器,而不是用来日常使用的. 20:21 -!- Kevin_ [n=chatzill@219.145.78.35] has joined #fedora-cn 20:21 <+gcell> wolook: 只要你不买档次太低的应该没什么问题吧,虽然说Fedora硬件要求不高,但是也不能太低 20:22 -!- xuwei [i=xuwei@222.85.69.148] has joined #fedora-cn 20:22 <+hers> wolook~ 那搞一个很便宜的也没问题 20:22 你可以推荐一个基本配置吗? 20:22 <+hers> wolook~ 要出多少钱？ 20:23 不是资金问题,是我买来仅学习Linux没有别的用途,我目前有2台电脑都日常需要使用,不敢出问题.所以买一个能够正常支持fd8的就够了 20:23 -!- tpxcer [n=tpxcer@61.170.179.88] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:25 < Epocher> wolook, 随便都可以，内存不要低于 512 就是了 20:25 < Epocher> wolook, 还有，有些本子不支持 Linux, 也别买，具体哪些我不清楚 20:25 < Kevin_> 呵呵，现在内存很便宜，一根1G的也就是100多 20:26 < Epocher> 所以就是... 随便... 20:26 谢谢,台机一般都支持吗?安装fd8都是CD还是DVD呢?买二手本本学习估计很多都是CD driver 20:26 <+gcell> wolook: 买台神舟的,新的也不贵 20:27 只要必要,贵点也无所谓. 20:27 就是不知道你们有没有人是为了学习Linux或者玩Linux单独买一台呢? 20:27 < Epocher> wolook, 双系统解决一切... 20:27 -!- Kevin_ is now known as joncin 20:28 <+gcell> wolook: 大多数都是双系统吧 20:28 关键我是新手,会不会在安装系统的时候把现有的XP弄垮了? 20:28 对了，不知道VMware学习Linux可以么？ 20:28 <+gcell> wolook: 这要看你乱搞到什么程度了 20:28 你们的意思是安装双系统,fd8的任何设置都不会影响XP吗 20:28 -!- tpxcer [n=tpxcer@61.170.179.88] has joined #fedora-cn 20:29 作个备份呗, 20:29 <+gcell> wolook: 学习嘛,太小心了就学不到什么了,随便乱搞一通,搞的越乱学的越快 20:30 这种东西就是要折腾几次就什么都只到了 20:30 大家说如果我主要是学习linux作为服务器来使用,应该用那个发行版比较好? 20:30 什么都知道了 20:31 大的发行版都行吧 20:31 <+gcell> wolook: 不知道,我也是菜鸟,问hers 20:31 fedora or centOs?大家觉得那个作为服务器应用比较好? 20:31 真要做服务器...centos, debian stable分支. 如果只是学，哪个发行版都可以. . . 20:32 是真的要做服务器~fd做服务器不是最好的版本吗? 20:33 看个人能力的. . . 20:33 有能力的人，哪个发行版都可以做的很好. . . 初学时期就不用要求太高了 20:33 有什么区别吗?我就见过centos & fedora的服务器,还没有见过debian 20:34 运行高负载的website,那个更加稳定? 20:34 http://sourceforge.net/这个网站知道吧？他们超过50％的服务器是debian，还有一些是fedora和gentoo. 20:35 <+gcell> wolook: 都差不多,你如果学会了使用一个发行版,就一通百通了 20:35 我建议你现在手头上有哪个发行版就从哪个发行版开始... 20:35 了解,谢谢各位~另外bsd和linux是完全2个不同的系统吧?当然我知道都是unix的 20:37 linux不是unix...虽然都很好，各有特色，但概念还是不要混淆. 20:38 <+gcell> IRC里面有那位兄弟也用yo2的服务没？ 20:39 <+abner> 你們 emesene 的 dbus plugin 可不可以啟用呢？ 20:39 -!- jcome [n=chatzill@219.128.229.73] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718] " 20:39 大家好，我想问一下，学Linux用VMware可以么？ 20:40 vmware是什么? 20:41 看到很多虚拟主机商都提供vmware servcie 20:41 -!- wolook [n=chatzill@221.234.243.39] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718] " 20:41 <+abner> 剛開始學可以的，但上手以後還是裝一個吧… 20:41 -!- hypnotist [n=chatzill@124.135.6.51] has joined #fedora-cn 20:42 -!- rainy_ [n=rainy@58.19.192.15] has joined #fedora-cn 20:42 -!- raywang [n=raywang@218.28.111.142] has quit ["Leaving."] 20:42 <+gcell> vmware会把你本来就有的那一点兴趣磨灭掉的 20:42 对了，学Linux到最后是不是都要学会Linux下的编程阿？ 20:43 < rainy_> shell编程是必须的... 20:44 呵呵. 我以前学过C和数据结构，有这个基础可以么？ 20:44 < rainy_> 今天网络真不稳定，连接正常，突然没有流量了. . . faint... 20:49 <+gcell> joncin: linux会使你对编程产生兴趣的 20:50 不会编程用 linux 没意义, 还不如用 windows 20:50 呵呵，谢谢你们啦 20:50 我现在是搞网络的，所以我以后想搞网络下的编程 20:51 搞Cisco和微软的Server，越来越觉得没意思，真没有编程有趣 20:52 所以现在想搞Linux了. 20:56 -!- yshao [n=yshao@60.247.97.97] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:56 [Users #fedora-cn] 20:56 [@ChanServ    ]  [+keimoto_co    ]  [ freeflying  ]  [ rainy    ] 20:56 [+abner       ]  [+ricky         ]  [ hypnotist   ]  [ rainy_   ] 20:56 [+cwelton     ]  [ ajneok        ]  [ jhwhb1      ]  [ shpchp   ] 20:56 [+eugene      ]  [ angel_cat     ]  [ JoeBorn     ]  [ ssgg     ] 20:56 [+fedora-badboy] [ AutumnCat     ]  [ joncin      ]  [ tpxcer   ] 20:56 [+gcell       ]  [ candyz0416    ]  [ kldoo       ]  [ xHellwolf] 20:56 [+hellwolf    ]  [ christina_chen]  [ nihui       ]  [ xuwei    ] 20:56 [+hers        ]  [ DawnFantasy   ]  [ r0bertz     ]  [ Yuxans   ] 20:56 [+keimoto     ]  [ Epocher       ]  [ r0bertz|work] 20:56 -!- Irssi: #fedora-cn: Total of 35 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 10 voices, 24 normal] 20:57 <+gcell> joncin: 我都不记得自己是哪一年自学的C了，后来荒废了，如今装了Linux，我又蠢蠢欲动了 20:57 <+gcell> 嘿嘿 20:57 -!- rainy [n=rainy@58.19.193.116] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:02 -!- alex_wing [n=chatzill@124.78.104.252] has joined #fedora-cn 21:10 <+hers> * Fri Jan 04 2008 Sarantis Paskalis  - 0.5-9 21:10 <+hers> - Drop -fonts requires. 21:10 <+hers> * Tue Aug 29 2006 Sarantis Paskalis  - 0.5-8 21:10 <+hers> - Bump release for FC6 rebuild. 21:10 <+hers> * Mon Feb 20 2006 Sarantis Paskalis  - 0.5-6 21:10 <+hers> - Rebuild for FC5. 21:10 <+hers> tetex-font-cm-lgc-0.5-9.fc9.noarch.rpm 21:10 <+hers> 时间过得真快 21:10 <+hers> (偶然看到的 rawhide 编译记录) 21:11 Shell编程是不是就是C阿？ 21:13 -!- nihui [n=nihui@58.34.99.72] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:17 -!- joncin [n=chatzill@219.145.78.35] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718] " 21:28 <+gcell> 看来今天的聚会又要无疾而终了 21:30 <+hers> Hiahia 21:31 <+hers> 没啥大不了的，聚会没事最好 21:31 <+hellwolf> 我回来了 21:31 <+hellwolf> gmail怎么发不出去邮件 21:32 -!- rainy_ [n=rainy@58.19.192.15] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:33 <+gcell> hellwolf: 是不是把＠打成全角符号了？呵呵 21:33 <+hellwolf> 不是，是SMTP发邮件时说我附件illegal 21:34 -!- awei [n=awei@220.162.187.182] has joined #fedora-cn 21:34 <+gcell> 哦 21:35 <+hellwolf> 怎么可以这样呢 21:36 <+gcell> google也有感冒的时候啊 21:46 /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive 这个文件是如何产生的？ 21:47 localedef 产生的？ 21:47 那如何让系统只支持少量的 locale? locale-archive 这个文件太大了 ... :( 21:50 <+hellwolf> rpm -q glibc-common --scripts 21:50 <+hellwolf> postinstall program: /usr/sbin/build-locale-archive 21:53 -!- christina_chen [n=chris@60.63.225.232]  has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:53 如何让 fedora 只支持几个少量的 locale 呢? 21:54 -!- Epocher [n=xijiao@59.77.243.94]  has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:54 -!- angel_cat [n=angel_ca@59.77.243.94]  has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:56 目前 locale -a 列出了所有的 locale ... 90% 都是不会用到的 22:01 fedora 好像不支持 /etc/locale.gen 22:04 -!- hypnotist [n=chatzill@124.135.6.51]  has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:05 -!- xuwei [i=xuwei@222.85.69.148]  has quit ["Leaving"] 22:07 -!- lazyfai [n=fai@n219079149073.netvigator.com]  has joined #fedora-cn 22:07 -!- mode/#fedora-cn [+v lazyfai]  by ChanServ 22:09 -!- gcell [n=xelnaga@218.75.242.247]  has quit ["Leaving."] 22:11 -!- lazyfai [n=fai@n219079149073.netvigator.com]  has left #fedora-cn [] 22:15 -!- JoeBorn [n=rootmeis@cpe-66-1-5-91.il.sprintbbd.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:22 大家都来研究研究啊: http://www.linuxsir.org/bbs/showthread.php?p=1803225 22:24 <+hers> shpchp~ locale.gen 容易出错，而 disk is cheap 22:25 <+hers> shpchp~ build your own glibc 啦啦啦 22:27 -!- liuhongdan [n=chatzill@58.30.85.211] has joined #fedora-cn 22:28 hers, 虽然 disk is cheap, 但毛老人家告诉我们: 浪费是一种极大的犯罪! 22:28 -!- mode/#fedora-cn [+v liuhongdan] by ChanServ 22:28 <+liuhongdan> 民间评选的年度十大新闻 http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/4713 22:38 -!- AutumnCat [n=AutumnCa@59.41.108.142] has quit ["leaving"] 22:42 <+hers> shpchp~ redhat 去年有个实验项目，是个超快超小的 rpm + yum，叫什么忘了 22:45 -!- wolook [n=chatzill@221.234.243.39] has joined #fedora-cn 22:46 看来只有自己编译 glibc 了？ :( 22:46 -!- gcell [n=xelnaga@218.75.242.247] has joined #fedora-cn 22:46 -!- mode/#fedora-cn [+v gcell]  by ChanServ 22:48 -!- kldo1 [n=kldoo@124.228.30.247]  has joined #fedora-cn 22:48 难以相信没有其他办法删除无用的 locale ... 22:49 -!- christina_chen [n=christin@211.136.158.130]  has joined #fedora-cn 22:51 <+hellwolf> 当然有办法，不就是glibc么，又不是 fedora 牌的 22:53 我又来了~请教下国内那个论坛讨论fedora最火呢？ 22:55 -!- kldo1 [n=kldoo@124.228.30.247]  has left #fedora-cn [] 22:55 hellwolf, 什么办法？ 22:56 <+gcell> shpchp: 删除无用的locale是不是会快点？ 22:57 gcell, 目标是让系统不用 swap ... 当然会快不少 22:57 <+hers> shpchp~ 用 LC_ALL=C yum 运行一把呢 22:57 -!- abner [n=abner@n219079245025.netvigator.com]  has quit ["Leaving"] 22:58 <+hers> 觉得那种东西既然是 glibc 的，那么一定是所有程序共享，而不是 yum 自己用 22:58 <+hers> shpchp~ 你算到 yum 头上就不对了 22:59 我先查查其他程序的内存镜像...... 23:00 ...... 23:00 看来跟 locale-archive 无关 ...... 23:01 -!- liuhongdan_ [n=chatzill@61.50.131.35]  has joined #fedora-cn 23:01 其他程序(例如xchat)的内存镜像也有locale-archive, 但 RES 只有 41m 23:02 看来还没有找到 yum 占用内存的原因 23:02 我想请教下yum到底是什么东西呀 23:03 -!- kldoo [n=kldoo@124.228.31.66] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:03 < liuhongdan_> google yum是什么yum = Yellow dog Updater, Modified 主要功能是更方便的添加/删除/更新RPM包. 它能自动解决包的倚赖性问题. 它能便于管理大量系统的更新问题 23:04 yum 的 RES 有 154m ... 天 23:05 -!- kingbo [n=kingbo@61.183.24.15] has joined #fedora-cn 23:05 RPM是什么? 23:09 < liuhongdan_> ... 23:10 RPM ＝ 软盘慢 23:12 < xHellwolf> 庆幸，windows还没死机 23:12 YuM = 郁闷 23:12 < xHellwolf> 昨天难道是偶然离奇悬案了 23:13 < liuhongdan_> RPM=人品M... 23:14 < liuhongdan_> 激情,激情 23:14 < liuhongdan_> 没有了 23:16 < liuhongdan_> MD,钥匙突然打不开门了,今天差点自己锁在屋子里 23:18 -!- liuhongdan [n=chatzill@58.30.85.211] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:25 -!- wolook [n=chatzill@221.234.243.39] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718] " 23:34 -!- awei [n=awei@220.162.187.182] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:38 -!- christina_chen [n=christin@211.136.158.130] has quit ["used jmIrc"] 23:39 -!- christina_chen [n=chris@220.234.74.176] has joined #fedora-cn 23:49 -!- shpchp [n=shpchp@220.114.48.15] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:55 -!- tpxcer [n=tpxcer@61.170.179.88] has quit [Remote closed the connection] --- Log closed 六 1月 05 00:00:02 2008
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--- Log opened 六 1月 05 00:00:02 2008 --- Day changed 六 1月 05 2008 00:00 < liuhongdan_> 12:00 00:00 < liuhongdan_> 0:00 00:00 < liuhongdan_> Music radio 00:00 -!- liuhongdan_ [n=chatzill@61.50.131.35] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718] " 00:07 -!- JoeBorn [n=rootmeis@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #fedora-cn 00:07 -!- LoneStar [n=xinzhen@218.82.11.131] has joined #fedora-cn 00:07 -!- mode/#fedora-cn [+v LoneStar] by ChanServ 00:11 -!- __64 [n=shpchp@220.114.48.203] has joined #fedora-cn 00:13 -!- alex_wing [n=chatzill@124.78.104.252] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.10/0000000000] " 00:36 <+keimoto> 貓兒下午剛送了我一份新年禮物：一隻剛被咬破喉嚨在抽搐吐血的鳥！ 00:38 <+gcell> 涉嫌捕杀保护动物被请去喝茶 01:09 有人会法语么？que dieu vous benisse 是什么意思啊？ 01:12 -!- __64 [n=shpchp@220.114.48.203] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:17 <+keimoto> gcell, cat did that 01:18 <+gcell> keimoto：you let it 01:18 <+keimoto> http://keimoto.net/blog/2008/01/05/%e6%88%91%e7%9a%84%e6%96%b0%e5%b9%b4%e7%a6%ae%e7%89%a9/ 01:18 <+gcell> keimoto：呵呵 01:18 <+keimoto> gcell, 屋外的貓自己抓的. 01:19 <+keimoto> 狡獵機器 01:19 <+keimoto> 狩 01:20 <+keimoto> 灰毛的，大概是幼鴉 --- Log opened 六 1月 05 11:13:38 2008 --- Log closed 六 1月 05 11:13:43 2008