Infrastructure/Meetings/2006-12-28

= Meeting of 2006-12-28 =


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15:00 <@mmcgrath> Allrighty, who's here? 15:01 * mmcgrath notes there's a meeting today though it might be very short depending on who's here. 15:01 < CyberGabber> Im listening... 15:01 listening ... 15:02 just the 3 of us ? 15:02 <@mmcgrath> thats good, doesn't look like too many people are talking though. 15:02 <@mmcgrath> Yeah, most are probably still recovering from the holidays. 15:03 -!- open_source_nut [n=open_sou@unaffiliated/opensourcenut/x-000001] has joined #fedora-admin 15:03 < CyberGabber> Just started with RH fedora5...Bought this week the book 'A pratical guide to RedHat linux' (incl Fedora Core5 DVD) 15:03 welcome aboard CyberGabber ;) 15:04 well errr, i'm myself new here too, as i just sent my introduction email today ;) 15:04 * dgilmore is here 15:04 <@mmcgrath> dgilmore: yo 15:04 <@mmcgrath> symerian: I saw that. 15:04 * kim0 is here too 15:05 <@mmcgrath> well lets keep this one short then. 15:05 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-admin to: Short meeting in progress. 15:05 legacy buildsys i need to pull out :( 15:05 <@mmcgrath> dgilmore: anything to report on your end from EPEL or other things? 15:05 * abadger1999 is here 15:05 mmcgrath: i pinged notting again on the mirrors 15:05 i need to bug jeremey about bugzilla 15:05 <@mmcgrath> I saw that, I wonder if there's hangup beyond people just being busy. 15:06 i hope not 15:06 I need to do up a lits of all the pieces we need in place 15:06 <@mmcgrath> for the new guys we'll loosely follow this today - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Schedule 15:07 <@mmcgrath> abadger1999: I saw you have a new package scheme presented, how is all of that going? 15:07 <@mmcgrath> Have people been responsive? 15:07 I haven't had any responses on this one. 15:07 I was hoping Karel would chime in again as he had some good ideas last time. 15:07 abadger1999: its on my list of things to do 15:07 I'm putting it down to the holidays and will probably resend after New Years. 15:08 I'm updating the owners.list importer now 15:08 <@mmcgrath> Yeah, I've found it especially difficult to get comments from people on things. 15:08 And will start on the TurboGears front end afterwards. 15:08 mmcgrath: I think it's because you become the expert after you take the first step of getting started on it :-) 15:09 abadger1999: possibly 15:09 <@mmcgrath> heh, yeah that sounds familiar. 15:09 me wants to do alot more 15:09 mmcgrath: Did you talk to nman about having the web/doc people do some TG templates? 15:10 builders will stop doing FC-3 and FC-4 on monday 15:10 <@mmcgrath> abadger1999: not yet but I'm working on it 15:10 <@mmcgrath> dgilmore :-( 15:10 <@mmcgrath> solong FC3 and FC4 15:10 mmcgrath: i was the most vocal person wanting them kept 15:10 <@mmcgrath> abadger1999: I'll need it soon, the hardware profiler is coming along pretty quickly 15:10 <@mmcgrath> http://publictest4.fedora.redhat.com/raw 15:10 k. I'll be ready to start working with them soon as well. 15:11 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-admin to: Configuration managemet 15:11 people are passionate about this one 15:11 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-admin to: Configuration Management 15:12 <@mmcgrath> Yes, one thing we've been getting LOTS of feedback from is config management. 15:12 <@mmcgrath> what are your guys opinions so far? I'm sitting back and letting people get everything out in the open for now. 15:12 Seems like configuration management is hard and people really latch onto the solution that eventually ended their pain. 15:12 mmcgrath: im doing pretty much the same thing right now 15:13 well 15:13 may i ? 15:13 <@mmcgrath> symerian: of course 15:13 i need to implement something here and i think ill end up using what gets put in place in Fedora 15:13 why dont we define features we need first, then see which tool can achieve them 15:13 i'm currently working on something to manage configuration off all my servers 15:13 indeed kim0, exactly where i was going ;) 15:13 <@mmcgrath> kim0: we need to but so far no one's actually sat down to send the emails and ask the questions to put the wiki page together. 15:14 I talked with lutter for a while the other day and one thing I walked away with is the need to plan ahead. 15:15 first of all let's try to list features needed ;) 15:15 We may have <30 machines right now, but with our plans to do a lot of things in Xen guests we could double that by the end of the year. 15:15 (2007) 15:15 <@mmcgrath> abadger1999: I could see it tripling 15:15 * mmcgrath shutters 15:15 mmcgrath: i set it at least tripple 15:15 why would we need 90 machines :) 15:16 mmcgrath: Me too. At least. 15:16 kim0: not machines  but hosts 15:16 i put on eye on the threads mmcgrath advises me to look at 15:16 <@mmcgrath> kim0: well if hosting takes off, that alone is going to require some serious infrastructure. 15:16 ahh... 15:16 <@mmcgrath> symerian: if you'd like to get a survey or set of specific questions together to send to the list and start creating a requirements page for the wiki 15:16 <@mmcgrath> Not to mention just general growth. 15:16 kim0: and things like each VCS its own xen guest 15:17 mmcgrath: got it ;) 15:17 <@mmcgrath> k, we'll move on from there for now 15:17 we will also have half as many packages in extras that we have now again 15:17 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-admin to: Metrics 15:18 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-admin to: Metrics + hardware reporting tool 15:18 <@mmcgrath> So the hardware reporting tool is coming along, if you're brave try running this: 15:18 <@mmcgrath> wget -qO- http://mmcgrath.net/~mmcgrath/rhn/test.sh | sh 15:19 <@mmcgrath> it may or may not fail, who knows. But soon I'll be commiting that code and opening it up to everyone to contribute to, it could be a great tool for us. 15:19 mmcgrath: is that different from a week ago? 15:19 <@mmcgrath> dgilmore: yes 15:19 mmcgrath: ok 15:19 <@mmcgrath> it actually sends the profile to a database that can be viewed at - http://publictest4.fedora.redhat.com/raw 15:19 :D 15:19 * kim0 pulls the sword and runs the tool 15:20 * symerian too 15:20 <@mmcgrath> Though I've been getting dbus errors on some dists right now that I didn't used to get. I'm looking into it. 15:20 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-admin to: Caching Proxies 15:20 <@mmcgrath> kim0: Whats the word, now that we've run the tests, where do we go from here? 15:21 not sure about this one ... 15:21 caching didnt seem too useful at least for now 15:21 <@mmcgrath> Do you think when the new version of Moin comes out it will be more useful? 15:21 That's the info we got from Moin devs .. 15:22 Dont know whether it could be more useful 15:22 <@mmcgrath> any estimate as to when it will be ready? 15:22 to deploy multi parallel app serves though 15:23 I will try to get release date infomation 15:23 hum seems nothing has been sent to the database for me :( 15:23 me too 15:23 <@mmcgrath> k, we'll wait to hear from you and paulo's recomendation before moving foward. 15:23 <@mmcgrath> Yeah, thats because the dbus error resulted in a null bogomips number and I haven't written anything to account for that so it bombs :-) 15:24 i see ;) 15:24 * mmcgrath is still working on it :-D 15:24 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-admin to: FI Noc 15:24 mmcgrath: not sure if I'm best to decide where to go from here! 15:24 <@mmcgrath> Just a heads up, I'm putting together some framework for a public and private noc so everyone can log in and see the status of our networks. 15:25 was there some thread about this noc thing ? 15:25 <@mmcgrath> it will include a lot of stuff including nagios, cacti, last commit, commits in the last 24 hours, etc. 15:25 mmcgrath: sounds cool ;) 15:25 That will be good. 15:25 that does sound cool 15:25 <@mmcgrath> kim0: not yet, I wanted to get the frameworks ready so we could just run with it when we start going. 15:25 <@mmcgrath> I hate announcing stuff, getting everyone on board, and then having to wait for months before anyone can do anything :-D 15:25 noc = network operation center? 15:25 <@mmcgrath> kim0: yeah 15:25 kim0: indeed 15:26 <@mmcgrath> Ok, so thats all I've got 15:26 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-admin to: Open floor 15:26 <@mmcgrath> Anyone have anything else to discuss? 15:26 just one question 15:26 <@mmcgrath> symerian: shoot 15:27 as i am working on a deployement tool wich may deploy linux either windows 15:27 i would probably be building rpm's of tools like unattended 15:27 if it comes the right way, where can i share them ? 15:28 extras ? 15:28 <@mmcgrath> symerian: good question, sounds like a great candidate for the hosting project but its not currently live. 15:28 <@mmcgrath> Your best bet for now is to use sourceforge :-/ 15:29 got it ;) 15:29 i just installed sqlgrey on smtp 15:29 need to configure it yet 15:29 <@mmcgrath> dgilmore: awesome 15:30 we really need to get it finished 15:30 <@mmcgrath> yeah, OTRS is a mess right now :-( 15:30 <@mmcgrath> alrighty, if thats all everyone has we'll end the meeting in 30 15:30 <@mmcgrath> 20 15:30 one thing .. 15:30 decision making .. 15:30 <@mmcgrath> kim0: go ahead 15:31 like you were asking where to go about web caching 15:31 having worked on the subject .. I cant claim to be an expert .. 15:31 <@mmcgrath> yes, where to go to make sure the wiki doesn't fail during the next release 15:31 <@mmcgrath> no worries, we have plenty of time to come up with a solution 15:32 you started previously having officers, right ... which were leading teams ? where did that go 15:32 <@mmcgrath> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Officers 15:32 yeah .. but I guess it's not really active 15:33 kim0: its active 15:33 <@mmcgrath> Its active. 15:33 kim0: What would you like to see happen? 15:33 <@mmcgrath> kim0: whats your concern? 15:34 my concern is that when we're making a decision like how to strucure our web servers (what to cache & such ..) 15:34 should this decision just be taken in the open .. 15:34 or should an officer lead taking such decisions 15:34 <@mmcgrath> It will be, we're still getting information. 15:34 with other people contributing 15:34 kim0: it should be made in the open 15:34 ok .. that makes sense .. 15:35 <@mmcgrath> It'll be way out in the open. And will probably be whatever you and Paulo decide is best for us. 15:35 IMHO officers should be more facilitators rather than decision makers. 15:35 <@mmcgrath> After discussion of course. 15:35 <@mmcgrath> abadger1999: +1 as well as sponsors 15:35 abadger1999: i agree 15:36 ok .. let's see how this goes 15:36 <@mmcgrath> :-) 15:36 <@mmcgrath> ok, anyone have anything else? 15:36 kim0: i dont claim to be an expert in very much 15:36 yeah .. I am not a web servers expert 15:36 i rely on smarter people around me for lots of advice 15:36 and I dont wanna be making such decisions :) 15:37 that's basically it 15:37 I enjoy working on it ... that's all 15:37 kim0: we appreciate that you are 15:37 :) 15:37 <@mmcgrath> kim0: hah, no worries. I'm sure we'll be just fine :-) 15:38 <@mmcgrath> alrighty, with that I'm going to call a meeting end --- END