Meeting:Board meeting 2010-05-27

Roll Call

 * Present: Paul Frields, Josh Boyer, Tom Callaway, Chris Tyler, Dennis Gilmore, Matt Domsch, John Poelstra, Colin Walters, Mike McGrath, Christopher Aillon
 * Regrets:
 * Assigned meeting secretary: Colin Walters

License agreement for fedorastorm.com
https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/68 licensing this site? If not, what would need to change for you to do so?
 * Logo usage problem fixed as requested
 * QUESTION: Is there anyone on the Board who does not support
 * ACTION: Official Stamp Of Approval

Hall monitor policy change
https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/67
 * https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Hall_Monitor_Policy&diff=172746&oldid=171600
 * One objection was raised to first added bullet ("...achive: * the perception of the friendly inviting community")
 * Bullet struck from text.
 * Not clear how to balance increased specificity with the demands on the monitors themselves
 * ACTION: continue discussion at future meeting, with input from current hall monitors
 * QUESTION: Is there anyone who does not support the changes made by Matt and John to this page? What would have to change for you to do that?


 * stickster: Concern from spot this will create more work
 * jwb: Somewhat arbitrary, may let threads continue
 * spot: Don't want to be in position of having to judge every single thread for purpose.
 * Original purpose was to stop aggressively negative people.
 * mmgrath: Are these constraints or tools? (various opinions: the latter)
 * stickster: Need grounds for actions
 * spot: People are going to complain they're being profiled
 * mdomsch: Would be OK striking threads completely
 * stickster: OK for us to say we're comfortable with original policy
 * poelstra: Has there been a negative impact on Fedora as a result of invoking hall monitoring?
 * (general discussion): No?
 * stickster: Binding with red tape doesn't work well; trying to define cases encourages more and more language lawyering
 * spot: Non-constructive threads are out of scope of hall monitoring
 * mdomsch: This was in the original - we can delete it, we have the technology. Was hall monitoring an experiment?
 * spot: Only one instance where we had to moderate someone for a period of time, but not justification to get rid of it
 * jwb: Uncertain we'll know until we get to another contentious point
 * stickster: Treating a symptom and not the disease; doctors treat both
 * spot: We want enforcers for something like Ubuntu's Social Contract
 * stickster: How do we quantify non-constructiveness?
 * (discussion): Not really possible
 * ctyler: Ok with removing it
 * ACTION: Matt made change to the page
 * ACTION: spot to present rationale on advisory-board list

(discussion about additional hall monitors)

Fedora 13 release

 * Board should publicly thank everyone!
 * stickster: Offers to create draft

Future board topic

 * Revisiting hall monitoring
 * "Poisonous people" problem -- how do we identify and solve it?
 * Lots of anecdotal advice, what about practical applications and examples of where it's been done right and wrong?
 * stickster: Hard to root out after it's been embedded for a long time from particular people
 * Look for examples from other communities
 * Want to encourage collaboration and interaction, but we've maybe encouraged growth without establishing clear ground rules
 * without looking at the tradeoffs
 * ctyler: Need to make Fedora less hospitable for people who make Fedora less hospitable
 * Next Board will take up this issue
 * possibly demands a special session, it's a complicated problem

Next meeting

 * Thursday, 2010-06-03 UTC 1600
 * TENTATIVE
 * Regular Board IRC Public meeting
 * Potential first seating of new Board members