SIGs/Store/Meetings/2008-01-16

= Meeting of 2008-01-16 =


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13:03 < iWolf> Okay. back. sorry about that! 13:03 < iWolf> Anyone else here? 13:03 -!- stickster_work_a is now known as stickster_work 13:04 < iWolf> Okay. Let's get started. 13:04 < iWolf> Going from the open action items here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store 13:04 < iWolf> the first thing we have is the mockup and requirements page. 13:05 < iWolf> It doesn't like there have been any changes on the requirements since last week, so that looks good. 13:05 < iWolf> I did not get a chance to put together a request to the Design team this week. I will kick that up in priority for me. 13:06 Some people have been asking about what they can do with websites, and I've been pointing them to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/PageRequests. 13:06 It might be a good idea to mention that there. 13:06 < iWolf> Cool! This mockup would be a good thing for someone to get started with. 13:06 -!- sankarshan [n=sankarsh@fedora/sankarshan] has quit ["Are you sure you want to quit this channel (Cancel/Ok) ?"] 13:06 < iWolf> I did see some work from SyN-dRoMe I believe with some graphics. 13:07 < SyN-dRoMe> i've been thinking of mockup ideas but the requirements are a little vague. 13:07 < iWolf> I need to dig that link from my IRC log. 13:07 < iWolf> SyN-dRoMe: feel free to ask for any clarification on the requirements. 13:07 < SyN-dRoMe> ok, well, how was that as a logo 13:07 < iWolf> I sort of tossed them together as a starting point. 13:07 < SyN-dRoMe> considering the background for that banner is taken from the infinity artwork 13:08 < iWolf> I thought it looked good, do you have that link again? 13:08 < SyN-dRoMe> not on this computer im afraid 13:08 < SyN-dRoMe> oops hang on, im talking rubbish 13:09 < SyN-dRoMe> http://www.fedorastoreonline.com/images/fedorabanner3.png 13:09 < SyN-dRoMe> there we go, its a scaled down, i have the master image on my desktop system. 13:09 < iWolf> Great thanks! 13:10 < iWolf> Now it will be in the meeting log and we can hear from others as well. 13:10 < iWolf> I beleive mizmo also expressed some interest in helping with a mockup but was going to be unavailable for a week or two. 13:10 < SyN-dRoMe> i'd like some feedback on that kind of look as i normally use logos as a basis for entire motif's 13:10 < iWolf> That info is from an IRC conversantion jds2001 had with her last week. 13:11 < iWolf> Anyone here care to comment on SyN-dRoMe's logo? 13:11 < iWolf> Suggestions? Improvements? etc? 13:11 < iWolf> Or just plain old - "That looks cool!" 13:11 < iWolf> :) 13:12 < iWolf> SyN-dRoMe: I will solicit more feedback from the marketing list this week. 13:12 < SyN-dRoMe> thank you :) 13:12 < iWolf> SyN-dRoMe: no worries. 13:13 < iWolf> So, for mockups we can continue to work with SyN-dRoMe and wait to hear from mizmo. I will probably put a page request up and note that we have SyN-dRoMe and mizmo involved as well and see if we can't get something put together. 13:13 < SyN-dRoMe> has there been any ideas on merchandise sources 13:13 < SyN-dRoMe> ? 13:13 < iWolf> SyN-dRoMe: yeah, we'll get to that in a moment. 13:13 < iWolf> I will also post the current graphic to the marketing list to help get some feedback for SyN-dRoMe. 13:14 < iWolf> Oh and SyN-dRoMe feel free to email me with questions on the requirements. 13:14 < iWolf> I will clear up what I can. 13:14 < SyN-dRoMe> will do. 13:14 < iWolf> Anything else to add to the mockup/requirements item before we move on? 13:15 < iWolf> Okay. 13:15 < iWolf> The next three items can sort of be tied up into one talking point for this meeting. 13:16 < iWolf> Vendors. 13:16 < iWolf> I did more looking at the ones we have listed here: 13:16 < iWolf> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store/PotentialDistributors 13:16 < iWolf> I tried to add some more pros and cons to each. 13:17 < iWolf> I also solicited input from MrTom, an ambassador who has been working to get a French store up and running. 13:17 < iWolf> He has added his comments to the wiki as well. 13:17 < iWolf> He has worked with spreadshirt for that stor and seen their products. 13:17 < MrTom> meeting is at 20UTC ? 13:17 < iWolf> From what I saw online, spreadshirt seems to have a good reputation for print on demand T-shirts. 13:17 < iWolf> MrTom: This is the Store SIG meeting. 13:18 < iWolf> MrTom: I just mentioned you for providig comments for our wiki page on spreadshirt and your experiences. 13:18 < MrTom> sorry :s 13:18 * couf didn't have time to check some out 13:18 < MrTom> yep :) 13:18 < iWolf> MrTom: Thanks again for doing that! 13:18 < MrTom> you're welcome 13:18 < iWolf> couf: no worries, if you get a chance this week, feel free to add comments. 13:18 < SyN-dRoMe> i'd like to add, there is a british based vendor that perhaps could be looked into. 13:19 < iWolf> SyN-dRoMe: which one? 13:19 < SyN-dRoMe> a company called printshop 13:19 < iWolf> Could you add a link to the PotentialDistributor page? 13:19 < SyN-dRoMe> i could indeed 13:19 < iWolf> SyN-dRoMe: Thanks! 13:20 < iWolf> Does anyone lean towards one vendor more than another at this point in time? 13:20 < SyN-dRoMe> it would depend on which region the prospective customers were in 13:21 < EvilBob> iWolf: any vendor that has better caps than brand fuel 13:21 < EvilBob> iWolf: that means just about ANY vendor 13:21 < iWolf> EvilBob: LOL, I haven't tried their caps yet! 13:21 < EvilBob> iWolf: they suck 13:22 < EvilBob> iWolf: they fit like a yamica 13:22 < iWolf> SyN-dRoMe: the region thing is the piece of the puzzle that makes this most difficult. It doesn't seem there is any *one* vendor that serves each region well. 13:22 < iWolf> EvilBob: :) 13:22 * iWolf notes not to buy a Fedora cap from Brand Fuel. 13:23 < iWolf> So, because of trying to serve each region as well as we can. 13:23 < iWolf> I tend to lean towards Spreadshirt. 13:23 < iWolf> ANd open one store through their North American side and open a second store through their European side. 13:23 < SyN-dRoMe> perhaps if you divided the operation to three or four major regions and find a vendor that serves the respective region the best 13:24 < iWolf> SyN-dRoMe: Yep, the only major con I can think of for that is the designers needing to upload graphics to multiple stores.  It may be a necessary evil though. 13:25 probably will be the most succesful one, in finding good vendors 13:25 < iWolf> I think spreadshirt could give us a good start if we opened a store for both the Europe region and the North America region. 13:25 < iWolf> That would get us started. As we learn from that, we could potentially expand to serve other regions better as well. 13:25 < SyN-dRoMe> well essentially, the interface for spreadshirt is an swf. with links relevant to that customers account 13:26 < SyN-dRoMe> i imagine if you asked spreadshirt for a generic copy of the source .fla 13:27 < SyN-dRoMe> it would most likely just be a case of modifying a few links in the script 13:27 < iWolf> I think Thomas is familiar with the customization we can do, they did it for the French store. 13:27 < iWolf> SyN-dRoMe: But you are quite right, with some mods we may be good to go. 13:27 < SyN-dRoMe> mmmhmm 13:28 < iWolf> I think what I would like to do this week is send an email/update the wiki with a more verbose which way can we go page. 13:28 < SyN-dRoMe> if the source of induvidual stores all came from the same place we could ensure uniformity across x many stores 13:29 < iWolf> SyN-dRoMe: Yeah, that would be very nice for the user experience with the store. 13:29 < iWolf> Maybe we can look more into what options SPreadshirt has for look and feel customization. It might influence the opinion a bit. 13:30 < SyN-dRoMe> also i feel optimisation for gnash would be advantageous 13:30 < SyN-dRoMe> i do have the odd issue with web based flash. 13:31 < iWolf> Yeah, are all spreadshirt store interfaces flash based? 13:31 < SyN-dRoMe> they seem to be 13:31 -!- stickster_work is now known as stickster_afk 13:32 -!- mether [n=ask@fedora/mether] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 13:32 < iWolf> that could be a potential hang-up. 13:33 < SyN-dRoMe> maybe something like an opinion poll on faults 13:33 -!- tc141516 is now known as tc1415 13:33 < SyN-dRoMe> or if we could have a look at the bugzilla entries to see some potential issues 13:34 -!- makghosh [n=Joy@117.201.96.50] has joined #fedora-mktg 13:34 < iWolf> I think most people will want a site that doesn't use proprietary tech. 13:34 < SyN-dRoMe> yes there is that also 13:34 yeah, that's something we really need to flesh out 13:35 < iWolf> We'll add that to the list of things to check into. Customization features of spreadshirt as well as whether flash is required for the storefront. 13:35 < iWolf> couf: I agree. 13:35 or it should be doable with the swfdec-stuff (or gnash) 13:35 < iWolf> Okay... Unfortunately, it is about time for me to head back into the office. 13:36 < iWolf> Does anyone have anything else to add? I hate to cut it short, but $dayjob calls.... 13:36 < SyN-dRoMe> nothing from me. 13:36 nah, we can't really get stuff gone, while still checking vendors 13:36 I'm good 13:36 < SyN-dRoMe> but could you semd me your email address please iwolf? 13:37 < iWolf> SyN-dRoMe: you can grab it off of http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JeffreyTadlock 13:37 < iWolf> Feel free to email me at that address. 13:37 < iWolf> Thanks for coming guys! It is much appreciated. 13:37 < SyN-dRoMe> no worries. 13:37 < iWolf> I will get the logs posted and update the wiki. 13:37 thanks iWolf 13:37 < iWolf> ================ Meeting Adjourned ==================