I18N/Meetings/2009-07-07

2009-07-07 0500 UTC on #fedora-meeting at Freenode (MeetBot)

Agenda
Previous meeting I18N/Meetings/2009-06-23


 * update on Features/YumLangpackPlugin
 * IPA fonts gothic and pgothic
 * new bugs

Next meeting I18N/Meetings/2009-07-21

Summary
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-07-07/fedora-meeting.2009-07-07-05.01.html

Log
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-07-07/fedora-meeting.2009-07-07-05.01.log.html

05:01:03 &lt;juhp&gt; #startmeeting

05:01:47 &lt;tagoh3&gt; hi 05:01:52 &lt;juhp&gt; #meetingtopic Fedora i18n Meeting 05:02:03 &lt;juhp&gt; hi tagoh3 05:02:37 &lt;juhp&gt; #topic attendees

05:03:03 &lt;dingyichen&gt; Hi juhp. 05:03:08 &lt;phuang&gt; hi 05:04:01 &lt;pravins&gt; hi 05:04:12 &lt;paragn&gt; hi 05:05:38 &lt;juhp&gt; ok

05:06:13 &lt;juhp&gt; #topic https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2009-07-07 05:07:00 &lt;jni_&gt; hi 05:07:01 &lt;juhp&gt; not too much agenda today 05:07:11 &lt;juhp&gt; hi jni_ and asgeirf

05:07:29 &lt;jni_&gt; hi juhp 05:07:52 &lt;asgeirf&gt; hi :) 05:08:24 &lt;Kaio_Sashimi&gt; hi 05:08:36 &lt;juhp&gt; cool 05:09:52 &lt;juhp&gt; #topic https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/YumLangpackPlugin

05:10:05 &lt;juhp&gt; well not too much to update on the yum plugin 05:10:32 &lt;juhp&gt; unfortunately been rather busy with other stuff but finally submitted it to feature-wrangler now... 05:11:03 &lt;juhp&gt; and hope to find some time this week to create the meta packages and hack a little on the python plugin 05:11:35 &lt;juhp&gt; then that moves along will submit the package and plugin for review... 05:12:05 &lt;juhp&gt; for the record there has been some discussion on it last week on anaconda-devel list

05:12:25 &lt;juhp&gt; let me see if I can pull out an url first :) 05:12:30 &lt;dingyichen&gt; juhp: what's the relationship between the yum-plugin-langpack and &lt;language&gt;-support? 05:13:07 &lt;juhp&gt; https://www.redhat.com/archives/anaconda-devel-list/2009-July/msg00003.html

05:13:59 &lt;juhp&gt; dingyichen: the yum groups you mean? 05:14:10 &lt;dingyichen&gt; juhp: yes 05:14:21 &lt;juhp&gt; dingyichen: well for a start that is where the metapackages would/will live

05:14:41 &lt;juhp&gt; but the plugin may not use yum groups 05:14:53 &lt;juhp&gt; though that is also an alternative for now 05:15:18 &lt;juhp&gt; dingyichen: if you want to make the question more specific? :) 05:15:53 &lt;juhp&gt; dingyichen: I haven't played with the python code in a while so need to revisit that soon

05:17:34 &lt;juhp&gt; ok let's move on then 05:17:42 &lt;juhp&gt; #topic IPA fonts 05:17:44 &lt;dingyichen&gt; juhp: whether is the language preference being installed?

05:17:47 &lt;dingyichen&gt; Sure. 05:18:01 &lt;juhp&gt; dingyichen: language preference? 05:18:29 &lt;dingyichen&gt; On the time when user install the language support? 05:18:39 &lt;juhp&gt; dingyichen: so to clarify maybe - if you install lang X you will get langpack-support-X installed

05:18:56 &lt;juhp&gt; as in as at install time 05:19:15 &lt;juhp&gt; does it answer? 05:19:46 &lt;juhp&gt; I already talked a bit to tagoh3 about the ipa fonts change in f12 05:20:08 &lt;juhp&gt; and I think the fonts are nice... 05:20:48 &lt;juhp&gt; the only issue that comes up is still the interesting difference between gothic and pgothic (and similarly for mincho probably)

05:21:00 &lt;tagoh3&gt; juhp: sure - though we didn't have any conclusions about the font size issue? 05:21:05 &lt;juhp&gt; right 05:21:08 &lt;juhp&gt; that too 05:22:01 &lt;juhp&gt; so currently (in Live etc) pgothic is default I think

05:22:06 &lt;juhp&gt; tagoh3: any more thoughts on that? 05:23:13 &lt;tagoh3&gt; juhp: well, for UI font, proportional should looks better than fixed size generally. 05:23:41 &lt;juhp&gt; right 05:24:09 &lt;tagoh3&gt; so need to scale up a bit to keep similar look?

05:24:35 &lt;juhp&gt; maybe yeah - so scale up both fonts? 05:24:43 &lt;juhp&gt; or all even 05:24:50 &lt;tagoh3&gt; if necessary 05:25:10 &lt;juhp&gt; not sure though how it will affect the spacing around the glyphs? 05:25:11 &lt;tagoh3&gt; need more testing I suppose

05:25:15 &lt;juhp&gt; ok 05:25:18 &lt;tagoh3&gt; right 05:26:25 &lt;juhp&gt; ok - just thought I would bring it up here too for the attention of more people 05:27:04 &lt;juhp&gt; #topic bugs corner

05:27:14 &lt;juhp&gt; ok not actually on the agenda... 05:27:32 &lt;juhp&gt; I noticed today there are quite a lot of bugs in NEW 05:27:49 &lt;juhp&gt; https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?product=Fedora&amp;bug_status=NEW&amp;emailassigned_to1=1&amp;emailtype1=exact&amp;email1=&amp;emailassigned_to2=1&amp;emailreporter2=1&amp;emailqa_contact2=1&amp;emailcc2=1&amp;emailtype2=exact&amp;email2=fedora-i18n-bugs%40redhat.com

05:28:02 &lt;juhp&gt; might be better if we had UNVERIFIED or something but anyway 05:28:26 &lt;juhp&gt; 89 currently after I moved the red ones to assigned ;) 05:29:16 &lt;juhp&gt; a lot of them aren't our bugs of course but good to move our own bugs to assigned after accepting them 05:31:52 &lt;juhp&gt; ok hm I seen to have a lot of ibus-anthy bugs on that list ;)

05:32:09 &lt;tagoh3&gt; :) 05:32:16 &lt;juhp&gt; anyone have any bugs they want to discuss? :) 05:32:21 &lt;juhp&gt; tagoh3: thanks 05:32:44 &lt;dingyichen&gt; Hmm, so in that case, yum-plugin-language should be either installed with group-language support, or before that. Otherwise nothing being recorded.

05:33:03 &lt;dingyichen&gt; About lang-pack. :-) 05:33:37 &lt;juhp&gt; dingyichen: well the metapackages will require the plugin 05:34:09 &lt;juhp&gt; maybe better to explain by example 05:34:29 &lt;dingyichen&gt; juhp: Thanks, another 2 quick questions:

05:34:46 &lt;dingyichen&gt; 1. Need rpms be changed? 05:34:46 &lt;juhp&gt; User does a chinese install of fedora: will get langpack-support-zh/chinese installed 05:35:08 &lt;juhp&gt; dingyichen: now at this stage - or no such plans currently 05:36:14 &lt;juhp&gt; wondering about the naming if it is better to use locale like naming

05:36:23 &lt;juhp&gt; s/now/not/ 05:36:24 &lt;dingyichen&gt; 2. Any naming guideline? 05:36:39 &lt;tagoh3&gt; juhp: what about %_install_langs as brought up on the list? 05:37:17 &lt;juhp&gt; dingyichen: I mentioned it in the feature briefly - I don't think we may enforce it for f12 - perhaps &lt;package&gt;-langpack-&lt;lang&gt;

05:37:31 &lt;juhp&gt; tagoh3: what about it? :) 05:38:00 &lt;juhp&gt; I think it is a bad idea 05:38:11 &lt;tagoh3&gt; aha 05:38:34 &lt;juhp&gt; but yeah in the longer term tighter rpm integration would be better

05:38:35 &lt;tagoh3&gt; not sure what exactly it's supposed to do 05:39:05 &lt;juhp&gt; tagoh3: well it allows one to restriction the installed translation langs 05:39:10 &lt;juhp&gt; %lang 05:39:21 &lt;tagoh3&gt; but if preparing any facilities to package the lang specific things to the separate package automatically, it would be nice

05:39:28 &lt;juhp&gt; so would make sense for firefox ;o) 05:39:57 &lt;juhp&gt; I am wishing that firefox might agree to langpacks if this feature works well 05:40:08 &lt;juhp&gt; fedora firefox I think 05:40:17 &lt;tagoh3&gt; depending on the maintainer to get it working properly would messes up the feature 05:40:40 &lt;juhp&gt; %lang?

05:40:59 &lt;tagoh3&gt; or need to pay attentions and more works to be done. 05:41:17 &lt;tagoh3&gt; juhp: or whatever 05:41:22 &lt;juhp&gt; tagoh3: right in the long run having rpm able to auto-subpackage langs would be good 05:42:04 &lt;juhp&gt; there was some talk about this in debian quite a while back - but I haven't followed their progress

05:42:07 &lt;juhp&gt; anyone know? 05:42:24 &lt;juhp&gt; I think they were calling them .tdeb's iirc 05:42:45 &lt;juhp&gt; anyway it is non-trivial out of f12 scope I would say 05:43:23 &lt;juhp&gt; http://people.debian.org/~codehelp/tdeb/

05:45:01 &lt;juhp&gt; anything else? 05:45:17 &lt;juhp&gt; #topic open 05:46:48 &lt;juhp&gt; otherwise we'll close the meeting shortly :) 05:47:53 &lt;juhp&gt; thanks for the meeting everyone!

05:48:15 &lt;juhp&gt; #endmeeting