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nirik | hey all, who's around for the irc support sig meeting? | Jan 22 09:30 |
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Southern_Gentlem | here not not | Jan 22 09:31 |
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hpachas-PE | RodrigoPadula, hola | Jan 22 09:32 |
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*nirik will wait a minute or two more for folks to trickle in. | Jan 22 09:33 | |
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*so_solid_moo will be here for this meeting too then :) | Jan 22 09:34 | |
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nirik | humm... ok, I guess we can start in... | Jan 22 09:38 |
---nirik has changed the topic to: IRC Support SIG - Classroom | Jan 22 09:38 | |
nirik | we have some more classes coming up in feb... | Jan 22 09:38 |
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nirik | so if anyone wants to teach or knows someone who would, let me know. | Jan 22 09:39 |
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nirik | also, we should probibly start doing some advertising a week or so in advance. | Jan 22 09:39 |
herlo | ooh, we should advertise :) | Jan 22 09:39 |
*herlo will help with that... | Jan 22 09:39 | |
nirik | yeah. ;) Anyhow, just thought I would mention it... | Jan 22 09:40 |
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nirik | herlo: we should meet up sometime and come up with advertising/brainstorming/sessions. ;) | Jan 22 09:40 |
nirik | anyhow, moving along... | Jan 22 09:41 |
---nirik has changed the topic to: IRC Support SIG - hot topics | Jan 22 09:41 | |
nirik | Another hairbrained Idea I have had. How about we try and come up with at the meeting each week the top 5 bugs we see lots of users hitting, and then post that list to the devel and/or testing lists. | Jan 22 09:42 |
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nirik | anyone think thats a good idea? bad one? | Jan 22 09:43 |
thomasj | Hmm.. not a bad one. | Jan 22 09:43 |
nirik | ie, give developers more info on what bugs users are hitting in the last week (at least from a biased sample of irc users) | Jan 22 09:44 |
vwbusguy | we should do more to encourage end users to bugzilla themselves | Jan 22 09:45 |
vwbusguy | it really is a better scenario if the end users who are themselves experiencing the problem are involved in the bug process | Jan 22 09:45 |
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so_solid_moo | bugzilla isn't a particularly nice tool to use though | Jan 22 09:45 |
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nirik | sure, but I am saying things like the intel video lockup bug, or the no sound for some intel-hda sound cards in a particular kernel. | Jan 22 09:46 |
vwbusguy | so_solid_moo, that is something beyond our scope | Jan 22 09:46 |
vwbusguy | nirik, both of those have very long CC lists on the bugs as well | Jan 22 09:46 |
nirik | not sure it's really that usefull... but just an idea. | Jan 22 09:46 |
thomasj | nirik, you think that would fix the bugs faster? ;) | Jan 22 09:46 |
nirik | agreed. It would be more usefull for something thats just coming up and starting to happen. | Jan 22 09:46 |
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so_solid_moo | vwbusguy, sure, but I'm thinking that trying to expose people to more bz might just frustrate them | Jan 22 09:48 |
thomasj | Makes them part of the community. Not just user. | Jan 22 09:49 |
nirik | alternately, we could look at the list of common bugs we are seeing a lot over a week and see if any could be added to common bugs. | Jan 22 09:49 |
thomasj | +1 | Jan 22 09:49 |
nirik | that might have more positive impact. | Jan 22 09:51 |
nirik | so, what are the hot issues people have been seeing this week? | Jan 22 09:51 |
thomasj | still snd-hda-intel | Jan 22 09:52 |
thomasj | aka, alsa | Jan 22 09:53 |
nirik | yeah, the intel video lockup I have seen a few times... | Jan 22 09:53 |
nirik | anyhow, just an idea... I guess you all can ponder on it and we can try next week? | Jan 22 09:54 |
thomasj | else some smaller issues, like the rpmdb gets corrupted in F10 more often than in prior releases. | Jan 22 09:54 |
thomasj | dunno why. | Jan 22 09:54 |
thomasj | sure we can ponder on it. | Jan 22 09:55 |
nirik | there was an issue with ext4 and rpmdb... | Jan 22 09:55 |
nirik | anyhow, thought I would throw it out there. | Jan 22 09:56 |
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nirik | ok, moving on... | Jan 22 09:57 |
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---nirik has changed the topic to: IRC Support SIG - getting people involved | Jan 22 09:57 | |
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nirik | I think one of the areas we could improve on is pointing people to resouces for getting involved... | Jan 22 09:58 |
nirik | ie, if someone suggests something, or an improvement, point them to the join page or the subproject sig where that change would be made. | Jan 22 09:58 |
thomasj | The wiki has a main page for "getting involved"? Maybe we can add it to /topic | Jan 22 09:59 |
nirik | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join | Jan 22 09:59 |
thomasj | We tell people already to step up, but all are end user :) | Jan 22 09:59 |
thomasj | ok | Jan 22 09:59 |
nirik | yeah, but some of those people could really help out and provide something great to the project. You never know... | Jan 22 10:00 |
nirik | we should help them go to the right place to help... | Jan 22 10:01 |
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thomasj | Done with /topic | Jan 22 10:02 |
nirik | ok, anyone else want to chime in on this? or are thomasj and I the only ones here? :) | Jan 22 10:03 |
thomasj | looks like :D | Jan 22 10:03 |
Southern_Gentlem | i have been thinking about doing a jigdo classroom but i dont want to do it at midnite | Jan 22 10:03 |
---nirik has changed the topic to: IRC Support SIG - state of the channel | Jan 22 10:03 | |
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nirik | Southern_Gentlem: sign up for one down the road? there are a few more months listed on the page. | Jan 22 10:04 |
nirik | anyhow, on to a state of the channel... how are we doing? | Jan 22 10:05 |
Southern_Gentlem | i think we are doing a great job | Jan 22 10:05 |
nirik | I have had some feedback this week with someone who was saying the channel is as bad as it ever was. I disagree, but we should work harder... | Jan 22 10:05 |
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Southern_Gentlem | bad in what way | Jan 22 10:06 |
nirik | let me go look... just a sec. | Jan 22 10:06 |
nirik | saying the ops are pushing people around and banning/kicking for minor issues. | Jan 22 10:08 |
Southern_Gentlem | i disagree | Jan 22 10:08 |
nirik | excessive control of language. | Jan 22 10:08 |
Southern_Gentlem | i only kick for the f word | Jan 22 10:09 |
*Southern_Gentlem reminds offender Be polite and avoid profanity someone's kids and their grandmother might be in here listening | Jan 22 10:09 | |
nirik | I don't think so either, but I wanted to bring it up here and note that for some people at least we still need to improve. | Jan 22 10:09 |
Southern_Gentlem | excessive control of language because khay banned perlsyntax for repeatedly curseing like a sailor | Jan 22 10:10 |
thomasj | hmm.. end user (some people)? | Jan 22 10:10 |
Southern_Gentlem | and i think the channel is doing a good job of self policeing itself lately | Jan 22 10:10 |
nirik | anyhow, I think the biggest thing we can do is be professional, and follow our rules. If our rules need changing we should do so at that level | Jan 22 10:11 |
thomasj | I can only speak for what i do. And the only thing i did wrong was kicking DavidFreeman once. | Jan 22 10:11 |
vwbusguy | I remember that | Jan 22 10:11 |
thomasj | And i apologized for it later in ops. | Jan 22 10:11 |
Southern_Gentlem | thomasj, he does come across as little tto strong at times | Jan 22 10:11 |
nirik | everyone makes mistakes... ;) | Jan 22 10:11 |
vwbusguy | yeah, in hindsight I do think he was a troll | Jan 22 10:11 |
Southern_Gentlem | thomasj, and he has a redhat mask? | Jan 22 10:12 |
thomasj | i had him perm banned and did unban him accidentially. | Jan 22 10:12 |
thomasj | thomasj, nope | Jan 22 10:12 |
thomasj | args | Jan 22 10:12 |
nirik | I think we should also not be quick to label people trolls... sure there are some, but kicking them at the drop of a hat means you will be kicking people who are not really trolls and need help | Jan 22 10:12 |
thomasj | Southern_Gentlem, nope | Jan 22 10:12 |
vwbusguy | nirik, generally I think we've been good about it | Jan 22 10:13 |
Southern_Gentlem | thomasj, well he was in last nite and was behaving himself to its all good | Jan 22 10:13 |
nirik | anyhow, overall I think we are doing ok. :) We could use more helpers, but thats always the case. | Jan 22 10:13 |
vwbusguy | giving people a few chances first | Jan 22 10:13 |
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*vwbusguy could use more helpers and customers in #Fedora-EOL | Jan 22 10:13 | |
Southern_Gentlem | i have been warning people | Jan 22 10:13 |
vwbusguy | although customers has been picking up a _little_ more | Jan 22 10:13 |
nirik | vwbusguy: hows that going? | Jan 22 10:14 |
Southern_Gentlem | lol | Jan 22 10:14 |
vwbusguy | only troll is X, haha | Jan 22 10:14 |
thomasj | lol | Jan 22 10:14 |
thomasj | true | Jan 22 10:14 |
vwbusguy | nirik, about as well as expected, | Jan 22 10:14 |
Southern_Gentlem | i am hoping by the end of the month that a f10 re-spin will help stip your traffic even more | Jan 22 10:14 |
vwbusguy | I did find some old legacy mirrors still up | Jan 22 10:14 |
vwbusguy | and archive.fp.o is still up | Jan 22 10:14 |
vwbusguy | and FreshRPMs still has repos up for old versions | Jan 22 10:14 |
thomasj | Southern_Gentlem, we're waiting for a new kernel? Fixing the sound issue? | Jan 22 10:15 |
vwbusguy | a few stupid questions "Can I get KDE 4.1 in old version X?" | Jan 22 10:15 |
thomasj | s/we/you/ | Jan 22 10:15 |
Southern_Gentlem | thomasj, yep | Jan 22 10:15 |
thomasj | good | Jan 22 10:15 |
nirik | Southern_Gentlem: came out last night I think. ;) | Jan 22 10:15 |
Southern_Gentlem | not that i have seen | Jan 22 10:15 |
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nirik | well, it was approved to push last night. No idea if a push has been done with it yet. | Jan 22 10:16 |
nirik | anyhow, anything folks want to bring up before we close? | Jan 22 10:16 |
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Southern_Gentlem | not pushed | Jan 22 10:17 |
nirik | http://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/kernel-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10 | Jan 22 10:17 |
Southern_Gentlem | my f10 test still shows 159 | Jan 22 10:17 |
Southern_Gentlem | in updates | Jan 22 10:18 |
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nirik | ok, will close the meeting in 60 | Jan 22 10:19 |
nirik | ok, thanks for coming folks. | Jan 22 10:20 |
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