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= PowerPC/POWER/Cell Special Interest Group =
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Check out our [[Architectures/PowerPC/CurrentDevelopment|current development efforts]] and join the Fedora for Power team on IRC in {{fpchat|#fedora-ppc}} on http://freenode.net
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= PowerPC/POWER Special Interest Group =
* IRC: {{fpchat|#fedora-ppc}} on irc.freenode.net
* Mailing List: {{fplist|ppc}}


== Members ==
== Members ==
* Adrian Reber
* [[KarstenHopp| Karsten Hopp]] (IBM Power 730 Express Server, PowerMac G5)
* [[User:Jskala| Jiri Skala]]
* [[User:sharkcz| Dan Horák]] (IBM IntelliStation 275)
* [[User:sharkcz| Dan Horák]] (IBM IntelliStation 275)
* [[User:than| Than Ngo]]
* Mark Hamzy
* Mark Hamzy
* Brent Baude
* Mike Wolf
 
* [[User:Gustavold| Gustavo Luiz Duarte]]
== Previous PPC Fedora release ==
* [[User:menantea| Guy Menanteau]]
 
* [[User:Michelmno| Michel Normand]]
The last Fedora release for PPC before F16 was Fedora 12 and can be found at http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/12/Fedora/ppc/iso/
* [[User:sinnykumari| Sinny Kumari]]
 
 
== Current PPC Fedora release ==
 
'''Fedora 16 for PPC64''' has been released Dec. 23th, 2011. It is available on several mirrors which are listed [https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/16/ppc64/ here].
 
It is known to work on the new Power7 machines and on PowerMac G5 with > 1Gb RAM. Installations on machines with less RAM might work, but that is untested yet (feedback welcome).
 
 


A fresh installation for F16 if you're currently using a pre-release is highly recommended so that you can verify that all reported and closed as fixed bugs have really been addressed in the final F16 release.
== Stable Release, GPG keys ==


Fedora 28 is the latest stable release of Fedora for Power. It was announced on May 1st, 2018. Please see [https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-28// the release announcement] for additional details or download it directly from [https://alt.fedoraproject.org/alt/ here].


Fedora for Power uses now primary architectures GPG keys. Check [https://fedoraproject.org/keys The official Fedora GPG key list] for a list of primary/secondary keys per releases.


If the installation fails, here is a [http://sharkcz.livejournal.com/8649.html HOWTO] for an install that requires you to have a system with an older RHEL or Fedora installation and that doesn't use the usual anaconda installer.
=== Release Notes ===
* [[Architectures/PowerPC/28|Fedora 28]]
* [[Architectures/PowerPC/27|Fedora 27]]
* [[Architectures/PowerPC/26|Fedora 26]]  EOL targeted end of May 2018


== Supported Architectures ==


On the mirrors are also install media and packages for [https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/16/ppc PPC (32bit)]
Only 64bit machines (big endian Power5 or newer and little endian Power8 or newer) are supported, 32bit packages are not available anymore in F22 or newer. The last Fedora release with 32bit boot images was Fedora 17. Although it might be possible to install a 32bit F17 release and then update with the latest F21 packages, this is not supported by the Fedora PPC developers anymore.  
Those are completely untested and any bugreports without patches attached that fix the issue will most likely be deferred atm as we're concentrating on 64bit as that's the only hardware that the developers currently have. We have to rely on the community to provide fixes for 32bit problems.


If you want to help out with testing, please report any problems on [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/PowerPC#PowerPC.2FPOWER.2FCell_Special_Interest_Group IRC] or in [http://bugzilla.redhat.com bugzilla] (make sure to set the architecture to 'powerpc'). Feedback about installations on older hardware such as 32bit PowerMac G4 is appreciated, but as we're focusing on 64bit machines it might take some time to fix 32bit issues unless patches are attached to the bugreports.
Fedora 18 through Fedora 23 also includes several optimized packages for Power7 machines. These will be installed automatically if a Power7 processor is detected. The focus for Fedora 24 and newer is on Power8 or newer hardware and the optimizations for these CPU types are handled through a different mechanism.


== preparing for the Fedora 16 PPC release ==
Fedora 25 able to be installed also on Mac G5 machine as per https://github.com/masterzorag/G5_ppc64-linux
We're using the Alpha/Beta/Final Fedora release process for secondary arches from [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jlaska/Draft_Fedora_16_Alpha_PowerPC_Release_Criteria James Laska]: [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F16AlphaPPC_checklist F16AlphaPPC_checklist] / [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F16BetaPPC_checklist F16BetaPPC_checklist]


This is the [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F16_PPC_schedule schedule] for the F16 PPC release.
Due the limited resource and clear preference of the ppc64le architecture in any new developments, it was decided that ppc64 architecture will transfer into a maintenance mode where the new features (eg. Atomic Host compose) we plan for ppc64le won't be added, see  [https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/ppc@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/C23EQYITA4DQWM7CQF6LJC5ABXY2XIEM/ email] for details.


== Fedora rebuild efforts ==
== Previous Releases ==
There are currently efforts ongoing to recompile all packages and prepare a F-16 release.


This is the current status of the package rebuild:
You can find information about previous Fedora for Power releases at [[Architectures/PowerPC/PreviousReleases]].


[[File:Ppc-statistics.png]]
== Build System & Resources ==


=== Rebuild problems, TODO list ===
===Koji===  
- The most urgent problem at the moment is to get the latest version installable (maybe even with some workarounds for problems) so that the installer and bootloader teams can pick up the work. <br>


- The Haskell Compiler (ghc) is available on PPC64. Jens Petersen & Jiri Skala work on bumping haskell-platform packages for PPC64. Unfortunately upstream don't support GHCi & NGC for PPC64. Therefore following packages aren't available for PPC64:
====Rawhide====
* ghc-template-haskel
On October 29, 2016 announcement was made to [https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/SBQOANIUYRRRJGK3BNN5WOYERMEVTD5V/ merge ppc64(le)] koji builds of packages with [http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/ primary koji].
* ghc-ForSyDe
* ghc-QuickCheck
* ghc-hamlet
* ghc-parameterized-data
* ghc-type-level
* haskell-platform packages.


- yaboot only available on PPC which means we currently need some hacks for 64bit boot images
To make a scratch build of package for ppc64 and ppc64le in Fedora rawhide, run:
  koji build --scratch --arch-override=ppc64,ppc64le rawhide yourpkg.src.rpm


- segmentation fault of alt-ergo.opt during build [https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=704236 bugzilla #704236]
=== PPC Shell access for debugging ===
[[user:sharkcz|Dan Horák ]] ([[fas:sharkcz|sharkcz]]) can provide you access to a PPC box for build debugging purposes. Just send him an e-mail with a request and a public SSH key.
fedora-infra team is also working on providing easier access to a PowerPC VM for debugging build issues. Once we have it ready, we will update this section.


== The PowerPC koji build system ==
== Bugzilla ==


All official Fedora PowerPC packages will be built by the koji build system at the
* [https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&rep_platform=powerpc&rep_platform=ppc64&rep_platform=ppc&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=MODIFIED&product=Fedora&classification=Fedora List of currently open PowerPC bugs]
[http://ppc.koji.fedoraproject.org/koji PowerPC koji hub]
 
All non-scratch packages that haven't been deleted by the garbage-collector are available at the
[http://ppc.koji.fedoraproject.org/packages/ package storage], scratch builds can be found for a few days at the [http://ppc.koji.fedoraproject.org/scratch scratch repository]
 
== Building packages on the PowerPC koji build system ==
 
Everyone with a [http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_the_package_collection_maintainers#Get_a_Fedora_Account Fedora account] can do at least scratch builds of packages on the PowerPC koji build system, [http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_the_package_collection_maintainers package maintainers] who can check changes into the git repositories can build updated packages that will later on end up in the distribution.
 
=== Doing scratch builds ===
 
After running fedora-packager-setup from the fedora-packager rpm
ppc-koji build --scratch dist-f15 yourpkg.src.rpm
These builds will be removed from koji automatically after a while.
 
=== 'real' builds ===
 
'Real' builds will be pulled into the package repositories and into the install images, unless they got replaced by later versions.
After running fedora-packager-setup from the fedora-packager rpm
ppc-koji build dist-f15 "$(fedpkg giturl)"
or
fedpkg build --target=dist-f15
(this works only when you have a symlink from ~/.koji/ppc-config to ~/.koji/config)
 
== PPC Shell access for debugging ==
[[user:dwmw2|David Woodhouse]] ([[fas:dwmw2|dwmw2]]) and [[user:jwboyer|Josh Boyer]] ([[fas:jwboyer|jwboyer]]) may provide you access to a PPC box for build debugging purposes. Just send them an e-mail with an request and a public SSH key.
 
== Applications/Libraries of Interest ==
* [http://mac-on-linux.sourceforge.net/ Mac-on-Linux] - virtualization solution for PowerPC
 
== Documentation ==
 
=== PowerPC Hardware ===
==== [[ApplePowerPC]] ====
 
==== [[PlayStation]] ====
 
== Work needed ==
 
=== Bugzilla ===
 
* [https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=MODIFIED&rep_platform=powerpc List of currently open PowerPC bugs]
* [https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=179260 ExcludeArch for PowerPC]
* [https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=179260 ExcludeArch for PowerPC]
* [[Architectures/BuildIssues|Power & s390x build issues]]


=== Documentation ===
* We need step-by-step tutorials describing HOWTO setup Wi-Fi, Apple Bluetooth Mouse and Keyboard, where to find JRE and so on. See the next links (from Ubuntu, Debian and YellowDog):
** [http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224673 HOWTO: Apple Wireless Keyboard (Bluetooth)]
** [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ PowerPC FAQ]
** [http://johannes.sipsolutions.net/Projects/snd-aoa Notes abount snd-aoa kernel module]
=== [[Architectures/BuildIssues|Known build issues]] ===


== Links ==
== Links ==
* [http://www.ibm.com/chips/power/ Power homepage] <BR>
* [http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ppc fedora-ppc mailing list] <BR>
* [http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ppc fedora-ppc mailing list] <BR>
* [[Architectures/PowerPC/PPC-hub-serverstatus|Special files and configuration on the PPC hub]]
* [http://www.ibm.com/systems/power/ Power homepage] <BR>
* [https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/wikis/home/wiki/W51a7ffcf4dfd_4b40_9d82_446ebc23c550?lang=en The PowerLinux Community Wiki] <BR>
* [http://www.power.org/ Power.org] <BR>
* [http://www.power.org/ Power.org] <BR>
* [http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/support/ YellowDogLinux support pages] <BR>
* [http://www.powerdeveloper.org/ powerdeveloper.org]
* [http://www.powerdeveloper.org/ powerdeveloper.org]
* [http://pic.dhe.ibm.com/infocenter/lnxinfo/v3r0m0/index.jsp?topic=/liaae/lcon_Installing_Linux_on_System_p5.htm Installation docs] for IBM Power hardware <BR>




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Getting Started with Fedora for Power::
Check out our current development efforts and join the Fedora for Power team on IRC in #fedora-ppc[?] on http://freenode.net

PowerPC/POWER Special Interest Group

Members

Stable Release, GPG keys

Fedora 28 is the latest stable release of Fedora for Power. It was announced on May 1st, 2018. Please see the release announcement for additional details or download it directly from here.

Fedora for Power uses now primary architectures GPG keys. Check The official Fedora GPG key list for a list of primary/secondary keys per releases.

Release Notes

Supported Architectures

Only 64bit machines (big endian Power5 or newer and little endian Power8 or newer) are supported, 32bit packages are not available anymore in F22 or newer. The last Fedora release with 32bit boot images was Fedora 17. Although it might be possible to install a 32bit F17 release and then update with the latest F21 packages, this is not supported by the Fedora PPC developers anymore.

Fedora 18 through Fedora 23 also includes several optimized packages for Power7 machines. These will be installed automatically if a Power7 processor is detected. The focus for Fedora 24 and newer is on Power8 or newer hardware and the optimizations for these CPU types are handled through a different mechanism.

Fedora 25 able to be installed also on Mac G5 machine as per https://github.com/masterzorag/G5_ppc64-linux

Due the limited resource and clear preference of the ppc64le architecture in any new developments, it was decided that ppc64 architecture will transfer into a maintenance mode where the new features (eg. Atomic Host compose) we plan for ppc64le won't be added, see email for details.

Previous Releases

You can find information about previous Fedora for Power releases at Architectures/PowerPC/PreviousReleases.

Build System & Resources

Koji

Rawhide

On October 29, 2016 announcement was made to merge ppc64(le) koji builds of packages with primary koji.

To make a scratch build of package for ppc64 and ppc64le in Fedora rawhide, run: 

  koji build --scratch --arch-override=ppc64,ppc64le rawhide yourpkg.src.rpm

PPC Shell access for debugging

Dan Horák (sharkcz) can provide you access to a PPC box for build debugging purposes. Just send him an e-mail with a request and a public SSH key. fedora-infra team is also working on providing easier access to a PowerPC VM for debugging build issues. Once we have it ready, we will update this section.

Bugzilla


Links

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