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<h1>Fedora Marketing IRCLog 2008-01-31</h1>
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<tr id="t11:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> themayor</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">is this taking place or what?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:03" class="time">11:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">alright, so it's about time to get going here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:03" class="time">11:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:03"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- rut1 [n=rsuehle@nat/redhat/x-d7d56d95030bdb55]  has joined #fedora-meeting</td><td><a href="#t11:03" class="time">11:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">so, just to give everyone a bit of some background</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:03" class="time">11:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:03"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- rut1 is now known as rsuehle</td><td><a href="#t11:03" class="time">11:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">in case you weren't on email lsit</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:03" class="time">11:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">smooge, feel free to ask on mirror-list for more EPEL mirors</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:03" class="time">11:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">we had a meeting in raleigh a few weeks ago about how to organize our efforts on marketing fedora</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:03" class="time">11:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">we didn't get very far before deciding to just kick the whole thing out to the community</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:04" class="time">11:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">and here we are</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:04" class="time">11:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> smooge</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">mdomsch, thanks will do so</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:04" class="time">11:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:04"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- rharrison [n=rharriso@nat/cisco/x-fbd86a11f39f4355]  has left #fedora-meeting ["Leaving"] </td><td><a href="#t11:04" class="time">11:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> smooge</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">and will let c_hoke have his channel</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:04" class="time">11:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:04"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Marketing SIG -- Introduction, agenda</td><td><a href="#t11:04" class="time">11:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:04"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- jopp [n=jopp@nat/redhat/x-92ef216e8cc1cada]  has joined #fedora-meeting</td><td><a href="#t11:04" class="time">11:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">we have a few ideas and some people whoa re willing to help from our (Red Hat) team</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:04" class="time">11:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">but we wanna see what everyone thinks, get an agenda set and kick some ass.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:05" class="time">11:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">can we get a quick roll call on who is here for this meeting?  e.g.:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:05" class="time">11:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:05"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid is here</td><td><a href="#t11:05" class="time">11:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">yeah who all is here?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:05" class="time">11:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:05"><td class="action" colspan="2">* mthompson is here</td><td><a href="#t11:05" class="time">11:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> rsuehle</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">Ruth</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:05" class="time">11:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:05"><td class="action" colspan="2">* Syn-Drome is here</td><td><a href="#t11:05" class="time">11:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:05"><td class="action" colspan="2">* spevack </td><td><a href="#t11:05" class="time">11:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:05"><td class="action" colspan="2">* iWolf </td><td><a href="#t11:05" class="time">11:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:05"><td class="action" colspan="2">* red_alert </td><td><a href="#t11:05" class="time">11:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> striker57</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">striker57 (Chris Negus) is here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:06" class="time">11:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:06"><td class="action" colspan="2">* joadams (john adams, red hat brand manager) is here</td><td><a href="#t11:06" class="time">11:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:06"><td class="action" colspan="2">* tfridric is here</td><td><a href="#t11:06" class="time">11:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> rmaggior</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">Ron</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:06" class="time">11:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:06"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- bascha [n=bharris@nat/redhat/x-82d0cdc87293e816]  has joined #fedora-meeting</td><td><a href="#t11:06" class="time">11:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">elaine?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:06" class="time">11:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"><== Karsten Wade for those who don't know my nick :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:06" class="time">11:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> rsuehle</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">elaine is afk</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:06" class="time">11:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> Syn-Drome</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">ive read your emails :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:06" class="time">11:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">hey bascha, we're just doing roll-call</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:07" class="time">11:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> jopp</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">jopp</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:07" class="time">11:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> rsuehle</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">bascha now afk too :D</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:07" class="time">11:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:08"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid puts up current agenda in <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetings#Next_Meeting">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetings#Next_Meeting</a></td><td><a href="#t11:08" class="time">11:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">so I guess the first order of business for us is to definitely say we're a SIG</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:08" class="time">11:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">and we'll get ourselves listed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:09" class="time">11:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">looks like enough people to be a SIG to me</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:09" class="time">11:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">a special interest group is the Fedora way of "just doing stuff without too much bureacracy"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:09" class="time">11:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">if we get big and active enough, we need to add bureaucracy for survivability</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:09" class="time">11:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">and so everyone knows, and so I can put him on the spot, joadams is our branding expert and we're happy to have him in here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:10" class="time">11:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:10"><td class="action" colspan="2">* bascha is back.  :)  </td><td><a href="#t11:10" class="time">11:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">he can give us some insight to this whole thing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:10" class="time">11:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">so .. SIG +1 or -1?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:10" class="time">11:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:10" class="time">11:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e"> bascha</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:10" class="time">11:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555"> red_alert</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:10" class="time">11:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657"> joadams</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:10" class="time">11:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> striker57</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:10" class="time">11:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:10" class="time">11:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> Syn-Drome</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:10" class="time">11:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b"> iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:10" class="time">11:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: I may have you lead us through your agenda that yyou'</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:11" class="time">11:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">ve alid out so far and I'll keep track of everyone</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:11" class="time">11:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:11"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- al7qs [n=Doug@64.252.70.41]  has quit ["Leaving"] </td><td><a href="#t11:11" class="time">11:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">c_hoke: sure, good call</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:11" class="time">11:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:11"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid is +1 to a SIG as well</td><td><a href="#t11:11" class="time">11:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">if anyone wants to add us to the wiki/SIGs whilst we talk, go ahead ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:11" class="time">11:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">so, agenda .. I moved brand to the bottom because that is more of an open ended discussion</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:12" class="time">11:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e"> bascha</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">(also just a note--seems that /msg isn't working?  or is that just us?)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:12" class="time">11:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">bascha: should work ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:12" class="time">11:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e"> bascha</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">quaid:  isn't working for me, rsuehle, or joadams</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:12" class="time">11:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b"> iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">I think you need a registered nick?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:12" class="time">11:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e"> bascha</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">also jopp</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:12" class="time">11:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> rsuehle</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">oooh iwolf is right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:12" class="time">11:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e"> bascha</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">tks, nvm</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:12" class="time">11:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e"> bascha</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">:P</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:12" class="time">11:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">yes, nick registration is suggested ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:13" class="time">11:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#head-e606f00c0fdeb3462b9278f364f5645317ea30b7">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#head-e606f00c0fdeb3462b9278f364f5645317ea30b7</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:13" class="time">11:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">useful links are there</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:13" class="time">11:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">we should be able to have an in-channel discussion, though </td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:13" class="time">11:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:14"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Marketing SIG -- What is the state of Fedora marketing needs?</td><td><a href="#t11:14" class="time">11:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">fwiw, I think we have that somewhat answered with Messaging GUide and Marketing Plan, but what do those mean and why do we need them?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:14" class="time">11:14</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t11:16"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid was hoping we might get a blank/template of a marketing plan for the list to look at ...</td><td><a href="#t11:16" class="time">11:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657"> joadams</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">i've looked up a couple of different examples and sent them over to c_hoke</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:16" class="time">11:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657"> joadams</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">good mix of shorter and longer styles</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:16" class="time">11:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I have those and they're in PDF format</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:16" class="time">11:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">what's the best way for folks to see them?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:16" class="time">11:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657"> joadams</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">we can customize as needed, of course ... just to give an idea</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:16" class="time">11:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #b15db1"> mthompson</th><td class="text" style="color: #b15db1">wiki?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:17" class="time">11:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">joadams: do you have a web page we can link to?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:17" class="time">11:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657"> joadams</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">no, i saved them all locally as separate docs ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:17" class="time">11:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #b15db1"> mthompson</th><td class="text" style="color: #b15db1">do we have a fedora marketing team wiki? (just curious)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:17" class="time">11:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657"> joadams</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">i can try to post to the wiki (if there is an appropriate page, and if someone helps me :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:18" class="time">11:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetings#Next_Meeting">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetings#Next_Meeting</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:18" class="time">11:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I'm assuming we'll use that page for all purposes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:18" class="time">11:18</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t11:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">mthompson: fp.org/wiki/Marketing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:19" class="time">11:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e"> bascha</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">i can help you with the posting, joadams</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:19" class="time">11:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> Syn-Drome</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">i just want to add something here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:19" class="time">11:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">alt is to use a fedorapeople.org account if you have problems with the attachments</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:19" class="time">11:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">Syn-Drome: go ahead</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:19" class="time">11:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> Syn-Drome</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">i have a redundant website that i'd be happy to offer up for testing space</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:19" class="time">11:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> Syn-Drome</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">:)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:20" class="time">11:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">maybe we can take the outline from the PDFs and put that into the wiki</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:20" class="time">11:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657"> joadams</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">yeah, most follow the same basic format ... level of detail is different</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:21" class="time">11:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I put up a simple one page marketing plan and sent it to the list</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:21" class="time">11:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:21"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid looks</td><td><a href="#t11:21" class="time">11:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">hopefully someone can grab it quickly and throw it up there for now</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:21" class="time">11:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">it's VERY basic</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:21" class="time">11:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657"> joadams</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">the one-pager is by far the most basic</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:22" class="time">11:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">but it's the basics</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:22" class="time">11:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">who is our audience, what are our strengths</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:22" class="time">11:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">where do we want to be seen</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:22" class="time">11:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">how do we want to be seen, etc etc</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:22" class="time">11:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">what are our weaknesses</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:22" class="time">11:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657"> joadams</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">the others put more meat on the bones</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:22" class="time">11:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657"> joadams</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">e.g. articulated mission statement, SWOT analysis, detailed competitive analysis, marketing strategies and budgets ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:23" class="time">11:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:23"><td class="action" colspan="2">* c_hoke sends out the rest of the pdfs</td><td><a href="#t11:23" class="time">11:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657"> joadams</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">implementation schedule(s) ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:24" class="time">11:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">does anyone know right off the top of their head when F9 goes out?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:24" class="time">11:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">ok, the meatier ones sound better to me</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:24" class="time">11:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> Syn-Drome</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">aril</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:24" class="time">11:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">May Day</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:24" class="time">11:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> Syn-Drome</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">*april</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:24" class="time">11:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">something like april 29th</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:24" class="time">11:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e"> bascha</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">and spevack for the win...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:24" class="time">11:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">cause ideally we wanna be able to back that as much as possible IMHO</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:24" class="time">11:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">that was where Leigh's March deadline idea came froom</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:24" class="time">11:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">Fedora is released on the Tuesday closest to May Day and the Tuesday closest to Halloween each year</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:25" class="time">11:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> Syn-Drome</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">:D</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:25" class="time">11:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">word up spevack</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:25" class="time">11:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555"> red_alert</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">when is may day? oO</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:25" class="time">11:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> rsuehle</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">may 1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:26" class="time">11:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555"> red_alert</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">i c :D</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:26" class="time">11:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Messaging Guide, for those who wanna see what's goin on so far <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/MarketingMessagingGuide">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/MarketingMessagingGuide</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:26" class="time">11:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">what is the relationship of a Guide to a Plan?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:26" class="time">11:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">that's ideas from FUDCon</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:26" class="time">11:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">joadams?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:26" class="time">11:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">is one a subset of the other?  are they parallel dependencies?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:27" class="time">11:27</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t11:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I'd think the plan is a subset of a guide</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:27" class="time">11:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">the plan gets more meat and specificity</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:27" class="time">11:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657"> joadams</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">i'd need to take a look at the messaging guide to answer better.  but generally, a plan will be forward-looking, and will bridge the strategic with the tactical.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:28" class="time">11:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">do those two things include everything that is needed to move ahead with Fedora marketing?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:28" class="time">11:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657"> joadams</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">there seems to be an absence of market data</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">yeah that's the bones that we have so far</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">it's not complete by any means</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">tactical examples == generating press around a release, attracting more contributors, etc. ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">we need to lay it out</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">strategic == why we do what we do, how we do it over the long haul, etc.?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:30" class="time">11:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">and understand how a guide relates to what we do</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:30" class="time">11:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657"> joadams</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">quaid: exactly.  what are the specific marketing vehicles and when do we want to engage them.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:30" class="time">11:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657"> joadams</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">strategic would be, what are our major messages?  how do we want to be seen?  what will our marketing mix look like to communicate those messages?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:30" class="time">11:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">do we want to spend the rest of this meeting discussing who and what Fedora is</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:31" class="time">11:31</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t11:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">and get that set?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:31" class="time">11:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">and decide what our message should be</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:31" class="time">11:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> striker57</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">Yes, and who we want to market to.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:31" class="time">11:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:32" class="time">11:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657"> joadams</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">first: if we were to put a skeleton marketing plan out there, is there a "best practice" way for the community to collaboratively edit / author the document?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:32" class="time">11:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> Syn-Drome</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">first time linux users.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:32" class="time">11:32</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t11:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657"> joadams</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">(maybe not the entire community, but the SIG?)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:32" class="time">11:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">as for discussions ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:33" class="time">11:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: ideas on what joadams said/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:33" class="time">11:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:33" class="time">11:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">we can, but generally that is what a discussion list (f-marketing-l) is for</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:33" class="time">11:33</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t11:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">if we want to get stuff done, we'll need to engage on list all the time and use these meetings for updates and decision stuff</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:33" class="time">11:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657"> joadams</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">got it.  one way to tackle it might be to split the plan up into manageable chunks and have a SIG member "champion" its completion.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:34" class="time">11:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">for example, we can actually volunteer as individuals for the various parts of the Guide and Plan</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:34" class="time">11:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657"> joadams</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">great minds think alike</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:34" class="time">11:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">then go about the "what goes in there" discussion on list</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:34" class="time">11:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:34" class="time">11:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> Syn-Drome</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:34" class="time">11:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:34" class="time">11:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> striker57</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:34" class="time">11:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b"> iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:34" class="time">11:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555"> red_alert</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Do we want to go ahead and decide what fedora is and what it stands for on-list?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">and get that out of the way</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657"> joadams</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">i'll put the skeleton plan together ... should we volunteer for sections on our next meeting?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657"> joadams</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">or is that waiting to long?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">we can volunteer for sections on-list</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555"> red_alert</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">If the sections are listed in the wiki, just make The people write their names down there</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:36" class="time">11:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">just a note about "what is Fedora" -- once we decide in f-marketing-l, we have to sell it to the rest of Fedora, who all have their own ideas of what Fedora is; that process may take us longer than the F9 release to complete, so it shouldn't be a dependency on tactical work</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:37" class="time">11:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">red_alert +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:37" class="time">11:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid +1 I was thinking the same thing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:37" class="time">11:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">joadams: best practice is, put up an outline on the wiki (quick process), tell people about it via the list; Subscribe to watch the page(s) when people edit the wiki</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:38" class="time">11:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I want us to be able to act now and theorize the whole time, but I recognize that theorizing can be looooong</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:38" class="time">11:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">c_hoke: 'zactly</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:38" class="time">11:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657"> joadams</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">got it.  i'll engage you guys to get it online if (when) i need help.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:38" class="time">11:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">if there is anyone in the RDU office with joadams who can do a quick demo of how to use Moin, that would be great</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:39" class="time">11:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">I think we need to build enough of a consensus on this "what is Fedora" stuff to get work done, and to ensure that we don't revisit it every couple of months repeatedly</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:39" class="time">11:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">would a consessus of this SIG be enough for us to get work done?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:39" class="time">11:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">iterate the process to get consensus, conduct surveys amongst Fedorans as research and results tests, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:39" class="time">11:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">and then push out, change messaging for F10 if needed?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:40" class="time">11:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657"> joadams</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">ok, so now we're talking about brand positioning ("what is fedora").  i've got some tools and templates that could help guide that discussion.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:41" class="time">11:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">well, one open source way to do things is to do it as best as we can, release early and often, and deal with the community criticism on the fly</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:41" class="time">11:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:41"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid notes in the discussion so far the list of what marketing needs is:  i) a plan; ii) a guide; ii) a brand position</td><td><a href="#t11:41" class="time">11:41</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t11:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">+1 to agree, release, revise</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:42" class="time">11:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #a25555"> red_alert</th><td class="text" style="color: #a25555">iv) a leader for the irc meetings</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:43" class="time">11:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">red_alert: I've agreed to lead these as best I can, but quaid is helping me out for a while</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:43" class="time">11:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I'm more than happy to lead them, though this is new to me</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:44" class="time">11:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #5fb4b4"> GeroldKa</th><td class="text" style="color: #5fb4b4">and sorry also a v) a "value" brand</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:44" class="time">11:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">yeah, and we're almost on the last agenda item, too :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:44" class="time">11:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">GeroldKa: can you explain what you mean?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:44" class="time">11:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #5fb4b4"> GeroldKa</th><td class="text" style="color: #5fb4b4">a brand is also as strong as his value</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:45" class="time">11:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #5fb4b4"> GeroldKa</th><td class="text" style="color: #5fb4b4">let me try to explain ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:45" class="time">11:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">spevack: available to help john and me with the wiki?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:45" class="time">11:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">c_hoke: definitely</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:45" class="time">11:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #5fb4b4"> GeroldKa</th><td class="text" style="color: #5fb4b4">if you tell someone SAP, everybody knows this is Software</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:46" class="time">11:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">well I think that comes with time</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:46" class="time">11:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #5fb4b4"> GeroldKa</th><td class="text" style="color: #5fb4b4">if you tell someone Windows; everybody knows Bill Gates</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:46" class="time">11:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I don't think you can tell people what you are, people will decide what you are</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:46" class="time">11:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #5fb4b4"> GeroldKa</th><td class="text" style="color: #5fb4b4">if you tell somebody Linux ....</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:46" class="time">11:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #5fb4b4"> GeroldKa</th><td class="text" style="color: #5fb4b4">mostly (if not working in IT) think What is it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:46" class="time">11:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #5fb4b4"> GeroldKa</th><td class="text" style="color: #5fb4b4">it is imho up to us, to value that brand</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:47" class="time">11:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">but if your identity and messaging is consistent, then what you want to be known as will happen</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:47" class="time">11:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #5fb4b4"> GeroldKa</th><td class="text" style="color: #5fb4b4">the brand must be for us: FEDORA</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:47" class="time">11:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">GeroldKa: I'd almost make that part of a long-term mission statement:  "When people hear Linux, they think Fedora."</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:47" class="time">11:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #5fb4b4"> GeroldKa</th><td class="text" style="color: #5fb4b4">yeah; this is the goal</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:48" class="time">11:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">absolutely, but you get to that by everything else, I think</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:49" class="time">11:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #5fb4b4"> GeroldKa</th><td class="text" style="color: #5fb4b4">Fedora, not any other distribution; also not RH *g*</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:49" class="time">11:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657"> joadams</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">that's exactly the types of goals to articulate in the marketing plan</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:49" class="time">11:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">GeroldKa: "When people hear Enterprise (aka business), they think Red Hat." ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:49" class="time">11:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> Syn-Drome</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">generally anyone in the industry who thinks about a server or any kind of serious business platform the think RH</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:49" class="time">11:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:50"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid notes down to last 10 minutes for meeting</td><td><a href="#t11:50" class="time">11:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">c_hoke: look to you like we have more to discuss on guide or plan?  ready to move to last quick topic?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:50" class="time">11:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">let's move to the last topic, we'll discuss more on f-m-l and assign tasks and leader in the last 5 min</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:50" class="time">11:50</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t11:51"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Marketing SIG -- task tracking</td><td><a href="#t11:51" class="time">11:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">anyone want to explain what Trac is?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:51" class="time">11:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:52"><td class="action" colspan="2">* c_hoke knows not</td><td><a href="#t11:52" class="time">11:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">better to just point people to an example?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:52" class="time">11:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">mmcgrath: can you tell us how you use Trac for f-infra</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:52" class="time">11:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trac">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trac</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:52" class="time">11:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">Trac is for tracking issues and tasks in a project; it has lots of built-in stuff such as auto-notification</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:53" class="time">11:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">would it help esp. folks newer to Fedora contributing ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:53" class="time">11:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #b86161"> nim-nim</th><td class="text" style="color: #b86161">quaid: track is an all-in-one-solution, loved by admin people that do not want to deploy a set of apps, and hated by pretty much everyone else</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:53" class="time">11:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">to have a more formal tracking mechanism?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:53" class="time">11:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #62bb62"> mmcgrath</th><td class="text" style="color: #62bb62">quaid: sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:53" class="time">11:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">the other way people do it is informal with the Wiki</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:53" class="time">11:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">make pages there, list who does what, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:53" class="time">11:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #62bb62"> mmcgrath</th><td class="text" style="color: #62bb62">quaid: you just interested in how we use the bug reporting?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:54" class="time">11:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I wouldn't mind just using the wiki</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:54" class="time">11:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">mmcgrath: is that what you call the task request for Infra?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:54" class="time">11:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">but, I've never used trac</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:54" class="time">11:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">so I dunno</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:54" class="time">11:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:54"><td class="action" colspan="2">* spevack thinks that getting people who don't have FP wiki access set up and using some space on there is sufficient, but that's just my $.02</td><td><a href="#t11:54" class="time">11:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">c_hoke: it's a good point, too much tool at this point could kill the goose</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:54" class="time">11:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #62bb62"> mmcgrath</th><td class="text" style="color: #62bb62">quaid: yeah, trac's more for bug tracking but has a pretty easy interface so we use it for everything in infrastructure as well.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:54" class="time">11:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">quaid: if we were doing a bunch of code, i'd suggest trac.  for brainstorming and writing, wiki seems fine</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:55" class="time">11:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">wiki method downside is increased project management</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:55" class="time">11:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">+1 wiki</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:55" class="time">11:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e"> bascha</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">+1 on the simplest is best take</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:55" class="time">11:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:55"><td class="action" colspan="2">* spevack acknowledges that there are tradeoffs, but thinks wiki is better choice here</td><td><a href="#t11:55" class="time">11:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:55"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid noted that in this meeting the wiki method seemed to be sufficient</td><td><a href="#t11:55" class="time">11:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #62bb62"> mmcgrath</th><td class="text" style="color: #62bb62">quaid: for example, we have the following types of tickets: bug, task, annoyance, enhancement, change, outage.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:55" class="time">11:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #6464bf"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #6464bf">+1 wiki</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:55" class="time">11:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #62bb62"> mmcgrath</th><td class="text" style="color: #62bb62">then we just assign stuff as needed.  You can assign it to email addresses as well which is handy, for example sysadmin-web-members@fp.o</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #5fb4b4"> GeroldKa</th><td class="text" style="color: #5fb4b4">+1 wiki</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #b15db1"> mthompson</th><td class="text" style="color: #b15db1">+1 wiki (but i'll need a tutorial)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #adad5b"> iWolf</th><td class="text" style="color: #adad5b">+1 wiki</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> striker57</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">+1 wiki</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #6464bf"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #6464bf">start w/ wiki go to trac when/if wiki doesn't work</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657"> joadams</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">+1 i'm with mthompson</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> Syn-Drome</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">+1 wiki</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">mmcgrath: I have a feeling we might want it one day, which is why I brought it up; make sure we rolled smoothest from the start</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">Max will do a wiki setup tutorial for everyone in RDU</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #62bb62"> mmcgrath</th><td class="text" style="color: #62bb62">quaid: sure thing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:56"><td class="action" colspan="2">* c_hoke hi-fives Max</td><td><a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">we'll schedule it for later this week or early next</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">spevack: I told folks to contact me about getting in redhat_cla so they don't have to do the GPG dance</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">spevack: was going to give mmcgrath  a list</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:57" class="time">11:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">quaid: excellent.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:57" class="time">11:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">ok, wiki is the consensus</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:57" class="time">11:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #5959a9"> spevack</th><td class="text" style="color: #5959a9">quaid: i'll let you run with that, then i'll do a wiki usage demo</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:57" class="time">11:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">spevack: ok, then that means ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:57" class="time">11:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">... everyone here who does NOT have a Fedora account</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:57" class="time">11:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">needs to sign up ASAP :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:57" class="time">11:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:57"><td class="action" colspan="2">* c_hoke notes we're down to about 5 min</td><td><a href="#t11:57" class="time">11:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">and send me your username so I can get you in redhat_cla if you do not want to do the GPG-signing of the CLA yourself</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:58" class="time">11:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> Syn-Drome</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">my account is a bit broken :s</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:58" class="time">11:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">Syn-Drome: :(</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:58" class="time">11:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">c_hoke: we killed the agenda, sir</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:58" class="time">11:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> Syn-Drome</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">but it IS GPG issues</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:58" class="time">11:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #c3c366"> rharrison</th><td class="text" style="color: #c3c366">I sort of see the wiki as the right place for big tasks, like "Make a Pamphlet" track is more for the nitty gritty stuff involved in making it.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:58" class="time">11:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">"It's dead, Jim."</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:58" class="time">11:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> Syn-Drome</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">so i'll give you an email</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:58" class="time">11:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I know, but I'd like to assign some owners of things before we go</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:58" class="time">11:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:58"><td class="action" colspan="2">* rharrison types too slow</td><td><a href="#t11:58" class="time">11:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">c_hoke: want to list out what needs taking?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:58" class="time">11:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #5fb4b4"> GeroldKa</th><td class="text" style="color: #5fb4b4">quaid, is the redhat_cla the same as <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:58" class="time">11:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">then see who wants to do what</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">GeroldKa: redhat_cla is the CLA group used to mass-include Red Hat staffers; there are similar ones for dell_cla, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t11:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #c668c6"> ricky</th><td class="text" style="color: #c668c6">cla_redhat :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">GeroldKa: for when an organization has a single legal relationship with Fedora; e.g. Dell itself agrees to the CLA so each employee there doesn't need to do so as long as they are under employment contract with Dell</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">aiui, ymmv, ianal, tinla :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:00"><td class="action" colspan="2">* joadams will post a skeleton marketing plan to the wiki and engage the marketing-list to volunteer to complete sections</td><td><a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">ricky: d'oh! thanks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">so let's recap</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">c_hoke: there is your first owner</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">if that's cool ,quaid?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:00"><td class="action" colspan="2">* joadams will also post some brand positioning tools and templates to the wiki to get the discussion started</td><td><a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> Syn-Drome</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">did you get that quaid?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #5fb4b4"> GeroldKa</th><td class="text" style="color: #5fb4b4">but is the requested cla this one which I posted?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">so, I'll lead the IRC chats as much as possible, until I get more comfortabel with it, if everyone is cool with that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:01" class="time">12:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I'll work with joadams on the Plan and Guide outlines</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:01" class="time">12:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> Syn-Drome</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">doin a good job so far c_hoke :D</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:01" class="time">12:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">Syn-Drome: aye</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:01" class="time">12:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">that will include the value, GeroldKa</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:01" class="time">12:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Max is going to give us here a rundown of the wiki</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:02" class="time">12:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">and we'll post things there ASAP</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:02" class="time">12:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">GeroldKa: I think that group is 'cla_fedora'</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:02" class="time">12:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #57a657"> joadams</th><td class="text" style="color: #57a657">i have to sign off ... c_hoke, let me know what else comes up</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:02" class="time">12:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Everyone involved! make sure you register your nick and get on the Fedora wiki</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:02" class="time">12:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">joadams: no prob</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:02" class="time">12:02</a></td></tr>
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<tr id="t12:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I'll do the irclog and minutes reply back to the list</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:03" class="time">12:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">sounds good</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:03" class="time">12:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:03"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid needs to call shibby!</td><td><a href="#t12:03" class="time">12:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888"></meeting>?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:03" class="time">12:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t12:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> c_hoke</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">alright, I think that's just about it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t12:03" class="time">12:03</a></td></tr>
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