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Bug Triage Meeting :: 2008-11-04
Attendees
- jlaska
- jds2001
- comphappy
- quantumburnz
- poelcat
Summary
- No response to request for information on changes to FEver bugs. Dropping topic
- poelcat updated the wiki with reasons why triage is important BugZappers/Why
- needs better integration with the rest of the BugZapper's pages
- need help from documentation team for overall review of BugZapper docs
Complete For Next Week's Meeting
- BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Fedora10
- review text
- doublecheck queries
- submit tickets to RHT Eng Ops
- jds2001 to draft message to fedora-devel-announce about upcoming rawhide rebase
IRC Transcript
| poelcat | hello who is around? | 07:01 |
|---|---|---|
| poelcat | ping jds2001 quantumburnz jlaska ke4qqq and anyone else interested | 07:02 |
| jlaska | poelcat: hello! | 07:04 |
| poelcat | jlaska: hi | 07:05 |
| * poelcat thinks this could be a short meeting | 07:06 | |
| * jds2001 here, sorry im late | 07:07 | |
| poelcat | jds2001: hey | 07:07 |
| jds2001 | windows sucks, just in case we didn't already know that :) | 07:07 |
| jlaska | heh | 07:07 |
| jlaska | but have you tried mohave? :) | 07:07 |
| * jds2001 using $DAYJOB laptop and it had to be rebooted to fix the network. | 07:08 | |
| poelcat | okay let's get started... i'll try to move through the agenda quickly :) | 07:08 |
| poelcat | 1) FEver bugs... no response from owner I say we drop this topic. Objections? | 07:09 |
| jds2001 | none her | 07:09 |
| jds2001 | here | 07:09 |
| jlaska | none here either | 07:10 |
| poelcat | 2) I updated the wiki with reasons why triage is important BugZappers/Why | 07:10 |
| poelcat | content should probably be better integrated somewhere else | 07:10 |
| poelcat | does anyone recall/know what happened with getting help from docs group to streamline our content? | 07:11 |
| jlaska | I like the reasons, what were you thinking in terms of doc integration? | 07:11 |
| jds2001 | not sure, murray mcallister is the person that stickster "assigned" | 07:11 |
| jds2001 | just general cleanup and stuff | 07:12 |
| jlaska | gotcha | 07:12 |
| poelcat | jlaska: as i looked for a place to put the info I came across several dead/half started triage pages | 07:12 |
| stickster | It's hard for Murray to be here for meetings, he's in AUS | 07:12 |
| poelcat | and we repeat ourselves a lot :) | 07:12 |
| jds2001 | stickster: that's fine.... | 07:13 |
| poelcat | i also got an email from someone wanting to help w/ triage in response to http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=163252 | 07:13 |
| ggnore | hellow | 07:14 |
| poelcat | but they repeated one of the usual things we hear "i read the pages, but had no idea where to start" | 07:14 |
| poelcat | ggnore: welcome | 07:14 |
| jds2001 | $DAYJOB call.... | 07:15 |
| poelcat | quantumburnz: around? | 07:15 |
| poelcat | 3) update BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Fedora10 and submit tickets | 07:16 |
| jlaska | poelcat: I hear that a lot ... from different groups. Can the doc be that bad? It's clear to me http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Joining | 07:16 |
| poelcat | quantumburnz: drafted the page... i'll go over it and submit tickets this week | 07:16 |
| poelcat | jlaska: my hunch is that the doc "isn't that bad" and that we are not good iteraction/content designers :) | 07:17 |
| jds2001 | clear to me too..... | 07:17 |
| poelcat | and that we are too familiar (or familiar enough) with the content to not see what is wrong | 07:18 |
| poelcat | personally I think we give people too many options or paths... I know other people see that as the beauty of Fedora too :) | 07:19 |
| comphappy | I have to take off but, one thing that I would like to see addressed is what our response should be to bugs where a nice report has been sent, but the person assigned has not replied in over a month (see this with the kernel a lot). | 07:19 |
| poelcat | comphappy: hi! | 07:19 |
| poelcat | comphappy: i thought someone was advocating a non-responsive maintainer policy on the devel list | 07:20 |
| poelcat | i don't think it gained a lot of traction | 07:20 |
| poelcat | and while it would definitely help reporters feel appreciated I'm not sure that falls to us :-/ ? | 07:21 |
| poelcat | maybe finding a way to collect info and report on bugs not responded to could be one way we might help | 07:21 |
| poelcat | ? | 07:21 |
| * jds2001 wonders if python-bugzilla can query by modification date | 07:22 | |
| * poelcat still feels that we are still not that successful with our core mission | 07:22 | |
| jds2001 | it might be something I could teach it if it can't do that today. | 07:22 |
| poelcat | so a couple of takeaways we don't have solutions for today... 1) we have an unsolved docs/getting started problem | 07:24 |
| poelcat | 2) what to do about bugs that have been triaged and are quality bug reports, but nothing has happend to them | 07:24 |
| poelcat | anything else on this topic? | 07:24 |
| poelcat | next topic: "rawhide rebase" | 07:26 |
| poelcat | jds2001: i left it out of the notes, but I thought you were going to send mail to fedora-devel-announc? | 07:27 |
| jds2001 | gack! | 07:27 |
| * quantumburnz returns -- sorry for the tardiness! | 07:27 | |
| poelcat | quantumburnz: hi! | 07:27 |
| quantumburnz | hello :D | 07:27 |
| jds2001 | knew I forgot something this weekend, and I thought it was a successful weekend :/ | 07:27 |
| poelcat | jds2001: how about if we draft it on gobby | 07:29 |
| poelcat | and then we'll make the text part of our templates/SOP | 07:29 |
| poelcat | so that it is easy to do next time? | 07:29 |
| jds2001 | sure thing! | 07:29 |
| poelcat | maybe use an old email as a starting point? | 07:30 |
| jds2001 | yeah, I'll try and get something up this evening | 07:31 |
| poelcat | jds2001: when do you think we should send it? | 07:32 |
| * comphappy is of to $EDUMICATION but will triage more bugs later this week and weekend | 07:32 | |
| jds2001 | good question | 07:32 |
| jds2001 | i'm not really sure when the best time would be | 07:35 |
| jds2001 | hello???? | 07:37 |
| poelcat | how about next tuesday? | 07:37 |
| poelcat | 2 weeks before it happens... or sooner is better? | 07:37 |
| jds2001 | 2 weeks is enough notice, maybe even too much | 07:38 |
| jds2001 | ppl will forget that we said anything by the time that it happens. | 07:38 |
| jds2001 | but you can't please everyone :) | 07:38 |
| poelcat | okay, then let's send it when it is done | 07:39 |
| poelcat | quantumburnz: where did we leave off with BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Fedora10 | 07:40 |
| quantumburnz | it's pretty much done as far as I could go. the links just need to be double checked. | 07:40 |
| poelcat | quantumburnz: okay, thanks doing it... i'll give it a double check | 07:42 |
| poelcat | anyone else is welcome to as well | 07:42 |
| quantumburnz | cool, np | 07:42 |
| poelcat | anything else before we wrap up? | 07:42 |
| poelcat | any general questions about bug triage, how to get started, etc.? | 07:42 |
| quantumburnz | i don't have much... i've just been trying to work through the kernel bugs. | 07:44 |
| jds2001 | none here..... | 07:44 |
| poelcat | quantumburnz: great! | 07:45 |
| poelcat | okay if there are any other questions, etc. we're on #fedora-qa, fedora-test-list, or email me directly :) | 07:45 |
| poelcat | thanks for coming to today's meeting | 07:46 |
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