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Build JDKs once, repack everywhere


This is the last step in effort. JDKs in fedora are already static, and we repack portable tarballs into RPMs. Currently, the portable tarball is built for each Fedora and EPEL version. Goal here is to build each JDK (8,11,17,21,latest (20)) only once, in oldest live Fedora repack in all live Fedoras. If jdk is buitl in epel, it will be built in oldest possible epel and repacked in newer live epels.


Current status

Detailed Description

As described in ; during last year, packaging of JDKs had changed dramatically. As described in the same wiki page and in individual sub changes and devel threads, the primary reason for this is to lower maintenance and still keep Fedora Java friendly.

  • In the first system wide change, we have changed the JDKs to build properly as standalone, portable JDK - the way JDK is supposed to be built. I repeat, we spent ten years by patching JDK to become properly dynamic against system libs, and all patches went upstream, but this has become a fight which can not be won.
  • As a second step we introduced portable RPMs, which do not have any system integration, only build JDK and pack the final tarball in RPM for Fedora use.
  • In third step - without any noise, just verified with fesco - - we stopped building JDK in fully integrated RPMs. Instead of this, normal RPMs BUildRequire portable RPMs and just unpack it, and repack it.

Now last step is ahead - to build portable LTS JDKs 8,11,17 and 21 in oldest live Fedora, and repack everywhere. java-latest-openjdk, which contains latests STS JDK - currently 20, soon briefly 21 and a bit after 22... If we would built java-latest-openjdk in oldest live EPEL - epel8 now, we have verified, that such repacked JDKs works fine, however repack from epel seem to not be acceptable, thus ajva-latest-openjdk will be built twice - one in oldest live fedora, and once in oldest live epel. Build forme oldest possible epel will be repacked to that one or newer epels, and build from oldest live fedroa to all fedoras.

theoretical tagging solution

 0. if possible, request fN-openjdk protected permanent tags
 1. use tag from 0 or request side tags for all releases
 2. build the java-xy-openjdk-portable in the side tag for the oldest thing
 3. tag the result of (2) to all side tags from (1)
 4. waitrepo them
 5. build the java-xy-openjdk pkgs by repacking java-xy-openjdk-portable pkgs in all the side tags from (1)
 6. it may be needed to untag the result of (2) from all the side tags from (1)
 7. ship bodhi updates of java-xy-openjdk-portable from side tags
    (and delete the side tags)
  Where xy stands for 1.8.0, 11, 17 and latest.

The build from (2) will be eventually garbage collected. To prevent that, it might be re-tagged regularly. This is where releng might be able to help by creating a long lived tag to tag this into for preserving.

Include the config in dist-git repos, so fedpkg knows the target tag without user input

including portable srpms in release (improving of steps 2+6)

To include portable rpms in all live Fedoras is currently not possible. Best solution would be simply make and bodhi update of one portable rpm to all live fedoras. Bodhi is currenlty not capable to do so, issue was raised: investigating possibility to deliver single build as update to several releases.

"..It's not possible ATM, it would require a heavy rewrite of the code, starting from the database structure (every build is now related to a single release)..." Maybe on long run..."

On long run, if bodhi will allow this, that will be way to go. On short run, there are following options:

a) ask releng to tag the portables directly
  - this needs manual approach of rare humans, thus no go unless strictly enforced by unpredicted conditions
  - this walks around whole testing repos. For portables tarballs, as nothing should depend on them, and are tested indirectly after repack, this should be technically ok, but is heavily discouraged in principle.
b) build portable for all OSes, but do not ship them (don't do bodhi update)
  - this would probably work for all frontiers, only the real repacked JDK will be different
  - pros is, that we will be sure that portables builds on live fedoras
  - cons is, that the portable JDK will not be available by dnf install anyway
c) build portable for all OSes, including bodhi update
  - pros is, that we will be sure that portables builds on live fedoras
  - another pros is that the portable JDK will be available by dnf install anyway
  - there may be clash during the build  which will cause to repack wrong (newer, non certified) portables
d) include SRPM_REBUILD.readme in srpm and generated PORTABLES_INSTALL.readme in RPMs, which will ideally at least contain:
  - instruction why you need portables
  - instruction how to find the portables
  - from SRPM_REBUILD.readme pointing to PORTABLES_INSTALL.readme
  - generated link to the  koji, allowing to download the SRPM
  - generated link to the  koji, allowing to download the binaries
  - generated instruction how to dnf install used portables

I would currently vote for d). If there will be complains about broken SRPM rebuild, or need to install portables without hacking, then fall-back a, b or c via Change Proposal. Once Bodhi allows single build to be tagged to several release, I will move to that.


Benefit to Fedora

Java maintainers will finally have some free time... No kidding - maintenance and *certification* of so much supported JDKs on so much Fedora versions is brutal. By building once, and repack, we will regain cycles to continue support Fedora with all LTS and one STS JDK.

If we fail to build once and repack everywhere, Java maintainers will most likely need to lower the number of JDKs in fedora to system one only.


  • Proposal owners: Technically all JDKs (except 8, where some more tuning is needed, and EPEL for java-latest) are prepared, as they have a portable version, and RPMs just repack it. Except tuning up the JDK8 and EPEL for latest, scope owners are done.
  • Other developers: There will be needed significant support from RCM and maybe senior Fedora leadership to help to finish the build in oldest and enable to repack everywhere
  • Release engineering: #11438 There will be needed significant support from RCM, where I'm actually unsure what they will have to do to enable this. The mas rebuild will not be needed.
  • Policies and guidelines: AFAIK none (not needed for this Change)
  • Trademark approval: N/A (not needed for this Change)
  • Alignment with Community Initiatives: All supported JDKs will remain in Fedora in highest possible quality with full QA and certification, and its packagers will not lose their minds. Note that QA will still run on all live Fedoras, not only on the builder one.

Upgrade/compatibility impact

The change should be completely transparent to any user.

How To Test

sudo dnf update/install "java*" will install expected set of working packages.

SRPM rebuild of both portables (which were built once) and of any rpms (from this freshly rebuild portbales) have to remain possible

User Experience

The change should be absolutely transparent to any user.


To finish this we will need heavy support from RCM, and maybe others. Although there are precedents with such pacakge, they all bites. From SW point of view, the dependece chain is normal RPMs build requires portable RPMs and thats all.

Contingency Plan

  • Contingency mechanism: Even if It should be straight forward to revert back to building per OS, it may be impossible for current maintainers to save time for it. If this change is approved, we will be building 4-5 (jdk8,11,17,sts and 21) builds for all fedoras. If this change is not finished in time, we may need to orphan some of the JDKs. In better case, we will be able to keep living one LTS as system JDK, and java-latest-openjdk as future system JDK. That is 2*(3-5) builds (rawhide, (forked,), latest live, oldest live (oldest not yet dropped)). In worst case, we may be able to maintain only java-latest-openjdk. On long run changing it to rolling system JDK, which are the expected 3-5 builds.
  • Contingency deadline: N/A
  • Blocks release? No. The change can be introduced even on the fly to live distributions.


N/A (not a System Wide Change)

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