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Fedora Extras Steering Committee Meeting

19 January 2006

Attending

  • Thorsten Leemhuis (thl)
  • Elliot Lee (Sopwith)
  • Enrico Scholz (ensc)
  • ThomasVanderStichele (thomasvs)
  • Ville Skyttä (scop)

Actions

  • rpath checks in FE6 (if possible) (ensc)
  • script for mass-rebuilding FE5 / tree view of deps (ignacio)
  • kernel-modules: scop needs feedback and if he has will poke dcbw for buildsys support

Complete Log

19:00              * | thl looks around
19:01 <         thl> | Could I get a quick hands up from FESCo members?
19:01              * | n0dalus is just watching
19:02              * | ensc is here
19:02              * | edhill is just watching
19:02              * | bpepple is just watching, also.
19:02 <         thl> | warren, jeremy and skvidal are traveling -- they probably won't show up today
19:02 <         thl> | Well, then lets start
19:03 <         thl> | ensc, what's the status of rpath checks in the buildsys?
19:03 <        ensc> | it can report false positives
19:03 <    Sopwith> | thl: I could kick it if I knew how... hang on :)
19:04              * | Sopwith looks in buildsys history
19:04 <         thl> | ensc, but it was never added/activated in the buildsys?
19:04 <       ensc> | thl: I am not sure whether it shall be enforced or jsut generate a warning
19:04 <        ensc> | no, buildsystem does not use it
19:04 <         thl> | ensc, can we enforce it only for devel?
19:04 <         thl> | *after* FC5 is out of course
19:04 <     Sopwith> | I just kicked it.
19:05 <         thl> | Sopwith, thx
19:05 <        ensc> | are different comps.xml possible for the different branches?
19:05 <         thl> | ensc, I think so
19:05 <     ignacio> | Not without causing mock grief.
19:05 <         thl> | ignacio, why?
19:05 <     ignacio> | yum will expect one format and find another.
19:05 <        ensc> | are different rpm-macros possible with mock?
19:06 <     ignacio> | Yes, they can be defined in the config file as well as pulled in via a package.
19:06            --> | finalzone has joined #fedora-extras
19:06 <        ensc> | ok, then it should be possible to activate them for certain branches only
19:06 <        ensc> | (the rpath checks)
19:07            --> | thomasvs has joined #fedora-extras
19:07 <         thl> | ensc, then let's plan to activate it in FE6
19:07 <         thl> | ensc, I'll add it to the schedule
19:07 <        ensc> | ok
19:07 <         thl> | and create a page in the wiki
19:08 <         thl> | ensc, could you fill it with some details around the stuff
19:08 <        ensc> | ok, I will do
19:08 <         thl> | why we need it and all that
19:08 <         thl> | ensc, thx
19:09 <         thl> | ||Kernel module standardization||ThorstenLeemhuis||
19:09 <         thl> | No real progress there
19:09 <         thl> | scop posted a updated version
19:09 <         thl> | I'll update the proposal
19:09 <         thl> | But that's probably the one we're going to use
19:10 <         thl> | does anyone want to discuss stuff regarding
19:10 <     jcollie> | the zaptel-kmod has been updated to use fedora-kmodhelper
19:10 <         thl> | Mass rebuild of Extras for FC5 ||JeremyKatz||
19:10 <         thl> | ?
19:11 <     ignacio> | Is there anything left to discuss re it?
19:12 <         thl> | ignacio, I think all agree that we need one
19:12 <     ignacio> | Yes, of that there's no doubt.
19:12 <         thl> | but it is still undecided how to do it exactly
19:12 <     ignacio> | No "copying from the previous branch" stuff.
19:12 <         thl> | bugzilla, script, ...
19:12 <     ignacio> | It should be easy enough to do with a script.
19:13 <     ignacio> | The problem will be weeding out the false negs due to e.g. deps.
19:13 <         thl> | ignacio, but it seems most people would like to take care of it on their own
19:13 <     ignacio> | That'll end up being almost a full-time job of its own.
19:13 <     ignacio> | And what of those that can't?
19:14 <     ignacio> | We can't be doing it piecemeal here. It's an all-or-nothing deal.
19:14 <     bpepple> | Why not just track it with Bugzilla like it was suggested on the list?
19:14              * | nirik99 likes mschwents suggestion... just rebuild them all.
19:14 <     ignacio> | Yes, it's a given that they all need to be rebuilt.
19:15 <         thl> | bpepple, bugzilla might be nice
19:15 <     nirik99> | more specifically, just use a script... rebuild them all, ones that fail in first pass due to depends get rebuild in 2nd, etc.
19:15 <     nirik99> | finally you end up with a group that fail on every pass.
19:15 <         thl> | but is probably to much work atm
19:15 <     nirik99> | if mock wouldn't get stuck I would be happy to do a test run of that here...
19:16 <         thl> | Is there any way to get a tree view of the deps of all packages in extras?
19:16 <     nirik99> | might be some repoview magic.
19:16 <         thl> | could somebody look into this?
19:16 <       ensc> | thl: such tree views do not tell much...
19:16 <         thl> | ensc, why?
19:16 <     ignacio> | repoquery can do that.
19:17 <        ensc> | you will get images which need >1GB of RAM to get displayed
19:17 <   finalzone> | is it possible to update a FC3 extras package? I have updated source file but buildsys won't use it.
19:17 <     nirik99> | with the script looping over them it doesn't matter... it will fail the until all the depends have been rebuilt... then it will work and rebuild.
19:17 <     ignacio> | Although jbj does have a script for that I think.
19:17 <        ensc> | dimensions like 40000x1000 or so
19:17 <     nirik99> | ensc: for just extras it might not be nearly that bad...
19:17 <         thl> | ensc, I don't want to look at the tree
19:17 <     nirik99> | if you prune out the core depends.
19:17 <         thl> | I want it for a rebuild script
19:18 <         thl> | ignacio, do you have some minutes for this stuff?
19:18 <     ignacio> | Okay, repoquery will definitely help in that case.
19:18 <     ignacio> | I'll see what I can do.
19:18 <         thl> | post to the list please
19:18 <         thl> | ignacio, and feel free to update http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/Schedule/MassRebuildFC5
19:19 <         thl> | Next one: tracker bug||Waren||
19:19 <         thl> | Sombody did this iirc
19:19 <     ignacio> | Yes, it's partially done.
19:19 <     ignacio> | It doesn't auto-apply it though.
19:19 <     bpepple> | I think Roozbah worked on it.
19:20 <         thl> | okay; that's enough for now; I think warren will look at the details when he's back
19:20 <         thl> | Sopwith, Bouncer info||ElliotLee||
19:20 <     Sopwith> | Bouncer needs hacking help
19:20 <     ignacio> | I suppose I should add it to the thread that currently exists, yes?
19:21 <         thl> | ignacio, yeah
19:21 <     Sopwith> | At this point it needs someone else to take on the project.
19:21 <         thl> | Sopwith, is it okay if I move it down to a "2"?
19:21 <    Sopwith> | thl: Sure, if you like
19:21 <         thl> | or even a "3"?
19:21 <         thl> | k
19:21 <    Sopwith> | thl: Actually, take if off the Fedora Extras list - it is on the Fedora Sysadmin todo list already.
19:22              * | ignacio would just like to mention that he has a 28-page linguistics paper to present next week and will not have a whole lot of time for much of anything
19:22 <         thl> | Sopwith, even better :-)
19:22            --> | scop has joined #fedora-extras
19:22 <         thl> | Security Proposal  || nobody yet||
19:22 <         thl> | anyone interested in working further on this?
19:23 <         thl> | some details are at http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/Schedule/SecurityPolicy
19:24 <     Sopwith> | nman64: BTW, your e-mail address is having issues (451 unable to queue message)
19:24 <         thl> | I take that as "no"
19:24 <     Sopwith> | I dunno if that is just spam filtering or what...
19:24 <         thl> | ignacio, Make "current" and "devel" branches for new packages by default ||JeremyKatz||
19:24 <         thl> | What's the status of this?
19:24 <      nman64> | Hmm...
19:25 <     ignacio> | The patch was posted to -buildsys-list a while ago. I'm just waiting for review.
19:26 <         thl> | ignacio, k, thx
19:26 <         thl> | I'd like to go back to kernel-modules for a moment
19:26 <        scop> | +1
19:26 <         thl> | scop, is there anything left to discuss?
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19:27 <        scop> | I don't have anything really
19:27 <        scop> | how about the buildsys/yum part?
19:27 <     ignacio> | There is a prelim plugin for yum. You might want to consider coordinating with the author.
19:28 <     ignacio> | AFAIK the buildsys isn't ready at all yet.
19:28 <         thl> | We probabaly need to talk with skvidal and dcbw
19:28 <        scop> | buildsys is a blocker, yum not
19:28 <     ignacio> | Let me find the author's address...
19:28 <     jcollie> | is there going to be a way to tell the buildsystem that a kernel module shouldn't be build for xen (for example)?
19:28 <        scop> | I'd guess so
19:29 <        scop> | if not, the modules can take care of that in their specfiles (yep, kind of ugly)
19:30 <         thl> | yeah -- scop do you have a bit of free time to work on the buildsys part for kmods?
19:30 <     ignacio> | Jack Neely <jjneely pams.ncsu.edu>
19:31 <        scop> | possibly, but then again I'm not at all familiar with the code...
19:31 <         thl> | me neither -- but it seems dcbw is interested it it as well
19:31 <     nirik99> | jcollie: I got a monitor/mouse on my test box now... will look at that package there in a while here. ;)
19:31 <         thl> | poking him a bit and getting skvidal involved might be the hardest part
19:32 <     jcollie> | nirik99, excellent
19:32 <         thl> | scop, I would be really glad if you could take care of it
19:32            <-- | Sopwith has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
19:33 <        scop> | anyone have anything else to add to the packaging?  nobody replied to my latest revision (the one that adds RHEL compat)
19:33 <         thl> | scop, I did not find time yet to look at it
19:33 <     ignacio> | Too busy here.
19:33 <         thl> | I'll reply to the list
19:33 <   finalzone> | hm, can anyone intepret the meaning of this: http://buildsys.fedoraproject.org/build-status/job.psp?uid=3072 ?
19:34 <         thl> | okay, let's move on
19:34 <        scop> | please do, it'd be good to finalize the packaging part before starting to spend time on buildsys
19:34 <         thl> | scop, will do
19:34 <     nirik99> | finalzone: did you forget to check in your 'sources' file? it has the wrong version vs whats in the lookaside source cache.
19:34 <         thl> | I think that were the interesting parts of the agenda
19:35 <         thl> | has anyone anything else to discuss?
19:35 <         thl> | btw, I added http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/Schedule/IdeasSink to the wiki
19:35 <   finalzone> | nirik99: let me check
19:35 <     edhill> | thl:  i'd like to nominate someone for sponsor status
19:36 <         thl> | guys, feel free to add things to that page
19:36 <        scop> | edhill, shoot
19:36 <      edhill> | nirik99 has been putting a lot of time into helping new-ish users, etc
19:37 <      edhill> | pardon slow typing -- have baby in arms
19:38 <         thl> | edhill, I'll set it on the list for the next meeting
19:39 <        scop> | right, there are quite a few folks missing the meeting tonight, better take a look next week
19:39 <      edhill> | cool, thanks
19:39 <         thl> | edhill, we're so few FESCo members here today, I think that's the best way to handle it
19:39 <     nirik99> | thanks for the vote of confidence edhill. I try and help where I can...
19:39 <         thl> | okay, anything else?
19:39 <     nirik99> | finalzone: did you read over http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/UsingCvsFaq?highlight=%28new-sources%29
19:40 <        scop> | did someone write minutes?
19:40              * | scop spent first 20+ minutes of meeting impatiently watching fsck :#
19:41 <         thl> | scop, I'll do
19:42 <         thl> | I'll do it like last week: http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SteeringCommittee/Meeting-20060112
19:42 <         thl> | some comments on the important parts and a full log of the whole session
19:42 <         thl> | okay, closing in 30
19:42 <         thl> | scop, still your thinkpad harddrive?
19:43 <         thl> | closing in 15
19:43 <       scop> | thl, yes
19:43 <         thl> | closing in 10
19:43 <         thl> | closing in 5
19:43 <         thl> | closing in 2
19:43 <         thl> | mark: MEETING END