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| == Virtualization == | | == Virtualization == |
| In this section, we cover discussion on the @et-mgmnt-tools-list, @fedora-xen-list, @libvirt-list and @ovirt-devel-list of Fedora virtualization technologies. | | In this section, we cover discussion of Fedora virtualization technologies on the |
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| Contributing Writer: [[DaleBewley | Dale Bewley]]
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| === Enterprise Management Tools List ===
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| This section contains the discussion happening on the [https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/et-mgmt-tools et-mgmt-tools list]
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| ==== virt-manager Adds Disk and Network I/O Graphs ====
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| [[GuidoGünther|Guido Günther]] submitted[1] a patch for <code>virt-manager</code>
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| to display with disk and network input/output graphs in addition to the CPU and memory utilization graphs.
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| [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/et-mgmt-tools/2008-October/msg00026.html
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| ==== virt-manager Supports Multiple Serial Consoles ====
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| [[ColeRobinson|Cole Robinson]] patched[1] <code>virt-manager</code> to
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| combine "the serial console window with the VM details window. Opening the serial console now appends a tab to the details view. In addition, multiple serial consoles are now supported, not just the primary/first defined console, though this still only works for 'pty' devices."
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| [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/et-mgmt-tools/2008-September/msg00109.html
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| ==== Maintaining VM State While Restarting libvirtd Needed ====
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| Upgrades of <code>libvirt</code> necessitate a restart of <code>libvirtd</code>. [[GuidoGünther|Guido Günther]] asked[1] if there was any progress on saving enough state to restart <code>libvirtd</code> without restarting any guests. [[DanielBerrange|Daniel P. Berrange]] replied[2] this has been solved for the LXC driver and the same approach may apply to the QEMU driver.
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| [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/et-mgmt-tools/2008-September/msg00093.html
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| [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/et-mgmt-tools/2008-September/msg00094.html
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| Guido pointed[3] out "This would solve the problem of restarting libvirtd. How are we going to
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| distinguish this from daemon shutdown on e.g. system reboot?" To which, Daniel B. proposed[4]
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| "We can probably distinguish by picking a specific signal for orderly shutdown of the daemon + vms, vs a simple restart." Adding, "Perhaps we should have an explicit API, or a convenient virsh command to
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| shutdown all VMs in one go."
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| [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/et-mgmt-tools/2008-October/msg00046.html
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| [4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/et-mgmt-tools/2008-October/msg00047.html
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| === Fedora Xen List ===
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| This section contains the discussion happening on the [https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-xen fedora-xen list].
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| ==== No Dom0 Support in Fedora 10 ====
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| [[DanielBerrange|Daniel P. Berrange]] laid[1] it out there.
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| "There is pretty much zero chance that Fedora 10 will include a Xen
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| Dom0 host. While upstream Xen developers are making good progress
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| on porting Dom0 to paravirt_ops, there is simply too little time
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| for this to be ready for Fedora 10. So if you need to use Fedora 10
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| as a host, then KVM is your only viable option at this time. If
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| you can wait for Fedora 11 (or use RHEL-5 / CentOS-5) then Xen may
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| be an option for you." See also FWN 143[2].
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| [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-xen/2008-September/msg00035.html
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| [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue143#Laying_the_Groundwork_for_Xen_Domain_0_Support
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| === Libvirt List ===
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| This section contains the discussion happening on the [https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/libvir-list libvir-list].
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| ==== Running Xen Guests Without xend ====
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| [[StefanKonink|Stefan de Konink]] asked[1] if users could someday run xen
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| guests without a xend running. [[GerdHoffmann|Gerd Hoffmann]] said[2] there
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| are patches queued up which begin to allow qemu to do this. Adding, "If things work out well we might have that in the F11 timeframe." Assuming Dom0 support in the pv_ops based kernel is completed.
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| [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2008-September/msg00402.html
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| [2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2008-September/msg00406.html
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| ==== cgroups API and LXC Driver Support ====
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| [[DanSmith|Dan Smith]] posted[1] a
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| patch set which "adds basic cgroup[2] support to the LXC driver. It consists of
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| a small internal cgroup manipulation API, as well as changes to the driver
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| itself to utilize the support."
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| [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2008-September/msg00415.html
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| [2] http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/cgroups.txt
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| Dan agreed[3] to "reswizzle" the API after [[DanielBerrange|Daniel P. Berrange]] commented[4],
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| "My thought on the overall design of this internal API is that it is
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| too low level & pushing too much work to the caller."
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| Also, "While LXC driver is the only current user, as more controllers are added I anticipate
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| that QEMU driver might use cgroups, eg for I/O controls and CPU schedular controls."
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| "As such I'd expect an API to be at a slightly higher level of
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| abstraction, strongly typed and a single cgroup object associated
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| with a domain object.
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| [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2008-September/msg00436.html
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| [4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2008-September/msg00434.html
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| There was discussion of how to mount the controllers. The cgroups
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| kernel interace is less than ideal, because[5] "...once you mount a particular controller, you can't
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| change the way it's mounted. So if libvirt mounted each controller
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| separately, then the admin couldn't have a mount with multiple
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| controllers active, and vica-verca."
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| [5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2008-September/msg00432.html | | Contributing Writer: [[User:Dale | Dale Bewley]] |
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| This prompted [[BalbirSingh|Balbir Singh]] to begin a new thread | | === Fedora Virtualization List === |
| recommending[6] the use of <code>libcgroups</code>[7] rather than an internal
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| implementation. Adding, "I understand that in the past there has been a perception that libcgroups might
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| not yet be ready, because we did not have ABI stability built into the library
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| and the header file had old comments about things changing. I would urge the
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| group to look at the current implementation of libcgroups (look at v0.32) and
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| help us."
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| [6] https://www.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2008-October/msg00095.html | | ==== Virt Status Report ==== |
| | [[JustinForbes|Justin Forbes]] |
| | posted<ref>http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-virt/2009-December/msg00056.html</ref> a Fedora virtualization status report. |
| | Justin pointed out F13 bugs<ref>http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Virtualization_bugs</ref> now include Important and Pony classifications in addition to Blocker and Target. |
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| [7] http://libcg.sf.net
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| [[DanielVeillard|Daniel Veillard]] pointed[8] to issues of dependency and API completeness raised[9] in the past.
| | ==== RHEL and Fedora Virtualization Feature Parity ==== |
| "In the meantime we got a relatively simple, sufficient for now, usable
| | Robert Day wondered how the virtualization features<ref>http://www.redhat.com/virtualization/rhev/</ref> of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5.4 |
| right now, patch fullfilling our needs." Adding support for taking Dan Smith's
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| patch with it's internal cgroups implementation.
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| [8] https://www.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2008-October/msg00097.html | | [[DanielBerrange|Daniel Berrange]] |
| | explained<ref>http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-virt/2009-December/msg00040.html</ref> |
| | "The KVM based virtualization in RHEL-5.4 is not nearly so far behind |
| | Fedora as you might think. The {{package|libvirt}} mgmt stack in RHEL-5.4 was |
| | rebased to be near parity with [[Releases/11|Fedora 11]], and KVM in RHEL-5.4 is |
| | also pretty close to that using what's best described as a hybrid of |
| | kvm-83 and kvm-84." |
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| [9] https://www.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2008-September/msg00096.html
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| [[DhavalGiani|Dhaval Giani]] offered[10] that version 0.32 of
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| <code>libcrgoups</code> will be available in Rawhide soon. The thread
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| amicably continued on in great detail about the implementation details of
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| <code>libcgroups</code>.
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| [10] https://www.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2008-October/msg00103.html
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| === oVirt Devel List === | | ==== ==== |
| This section contains the discussion happening on the [https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/ovirt-devel ovirt-devel list].
| | <references /> |
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