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#!html <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /> <title>fedora-mktg3.txt</title> <link rel="stylesheet" href="irclog.css" /> <meta name="generator" content="irclog2html.py 2.5 by Marius Gedminas" /> <meta name="version" content="2.5 - 2007-01-22" /> </head> <body> <h1>IRC Log for Marketing Meeting - 13 October 2007</h1> <table class="irclog"> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">ok</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">so we can start the meeting now</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser_</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">JohnBabich</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">RahulSundaram</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Up to you guys just thought I was late or something :)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">no we have been starting slowly so that people can join in</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">no worries</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">who else is around?</td></tr> <tr><td class="other" colspan="3">-->|fcrippa (n=fcrippa@83.225.161.4) has joined #fedora-mktg</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">i was hoping mizmo would be</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">but she seems to be not available in irc yet</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">here is the list of things I think we should be doing for the Fedora 8 release</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Artwork - Labels, banners, promos that we can run on the website etc</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Identify which features to highlight - We have a good number of them and we should figure out any two or three features that are important</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and promote them specifically</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">When you say artwork you mean in F8 or on the website? same for Labels, Banners, promos.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">in the website</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">not within the distribution</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">that work is already done</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">the organized focus on interviewing developers going through all the Fedora 8 features isn't over yet but it is clearly very successful</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">pretty much of them have been referred to from many websites including digg, lwn.net, osnews.com. lxer etc</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">except the first one where we didnt highlight digg properly all of them got several hundreds digg's and hit the front page</td></tr> <tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* couftunes in</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">the website needs some clean up</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">especially on the download page</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and Mo has been working on designing the spins section</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">we will have <a href="http://spins.fedoraproject.org">http://spins.fedoraproject.org</a> shortly</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">which will explain what a spin is, list out all the different spins of Fedora, identify how to do your own custom spins etc</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">check out <a href="http://mihmo.livejournal.com/47056.html">http://mihmo.livejournal.com/47056.html</a> for that</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://mihmo.livejournal.com/47315.html">http://mihmo.livejournal.com/47315.html</a></td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">download page is being redsigned as well, see <a href="http://ivazquez.fedorapeople.org/files/fedora-web/get-fedora.html">http://ivazquez.fedorapeople.org/files/fedora-web/get-fedora.html</a> for an example idea</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">i think we should look closely</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">at what OpenSUSE and Ubuntu is doing in this space</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I find a list of links to be overwhelming compared to what they have done</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Ubuntu has the basic Gnome/KDE and XFCE and then a server version</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">x86 and x86_64</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">so they would have 8 downloads</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">maybe if it started with gnome -> x86 or x86_64 then the links</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">we have a choice of spins, dvd or cd. arch, installation methods</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I think <a href="http://software.opensuse.org/">http://software.opensuse.org/</a> is pretty neat</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">I would have to agree</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">One thing that we one additional choice that we need to figure how we can present well</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">is the differentiation between</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">official and custom spins</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Should we link them to the front page?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I think what we need to do</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Would it not be better to say see what the community is doing -> and point them that way</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">is list only the official spins in the front page</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and link to <a href="http://spins.fedoraproject.org">http://spins.fedoraproject.org</a></td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">for more</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">front page as in the download page</td></tr> <tr><td class="other" colspan="3">-->|MrTom (n=mrtom@fedora/MrTom) has joined #fedora-mktg</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">mether: +1</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">if we do it well</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">we don't have to worry about pushing in whatever spins that come up</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> MrTom</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">'Hi, sorry for being VERY late)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I am working on a games, xfce and minimalistic spin</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">so I have more than a passive interest in this</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">MrTom: hi</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">welcome</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">so we have the official spins on download + a "interested in a Fedora remix -> check spins.fp.o" link</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">MrTom: <a href="http://pastebin.ca/735157">http://pastebin.ca/735157</a> for you to catch up to previous conversations</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> MrTom</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">thanks mether</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">mether: +1</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">couf: right. that's what I think we should do anyway</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I have submitted a request to infrastructure team</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">to setup a news site at news.fedoraproject.org</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">it might only be launched after Fedora 8 but it will be a important medium for highlighting the work that goes on into Fedora and getting some feedback early in the development process</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">+1 again</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Was going to bring that up :)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I am an editor for Fedora Weekly News and Fedora Release Notes and a beat writer for the Ask Fedora and Overview beats respectively</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">all those are part of our broad marketing efforts too</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Infrastructure request is detailed at <a href="https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/178">https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/178</a></td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">if you think I have missed out any details in there, drop comments in that request or let me know</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">everyone who has a Fedora Account can just post comments right away</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">mether: you see news.fp.o as a replacement for what was going on at fedoranews.org?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">The overview section is at <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/OverView">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/OverView</a></td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">yes</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">fedoranews.org would ideally redirect to news.fp.o</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">the weekly news is already integrated with the Fedora website</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">right, then we should get tchung on that ticket</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I have posted to fedora weekly news</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and discussed this extensively</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">with tchung both on and offlist</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">ah okay, cool</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">so he is already well aware</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">fedora news list for more details</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Should f.o offer howto's specific to fedora?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">not sure what you mean by that?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Well there seem to be a lot of questions on equivalents and what to install what not to install. Generally there are websites that guide people yet we seem to lack some of that documentation.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">equivalents = xmms / winamp type of thing</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">The only reason we lack any published documents that we need to have</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">is lack of contributors getting involved</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">other than that, we only cover what we directly include</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">I know with the wiki I created based on ubuntuguide is getting a heap of hits for some really basic information</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">there isn't any reason we couldn't have more information on the wiki</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">published documentation at docs.fp.o has the advantage</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">that it well translated</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and more organized</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">but wiki can be used to coordinate that effort and generally used as a sandbox</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">some short howto's can remain in the wiki itself</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">one example would be <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting</a></td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">if you prefer the wiki, just write down the content there and anyone interested in organizing it more and publishing it can pick it up from there</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">right, we might want to add a howto-section to docs.fp.o</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">I didn't know about docs.fp.o can we link that to the front page. Is there also a way to get feedback to fedora-docs on what users are struggling with?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">its already there in the front page</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">for a few months now</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">ever since we launched the new static website</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">ahh mine goes straight to the wiki thats why. My bad.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">posting to fedora-docs list or better yet offering to help would be nice</td></tr> <tr><td class="other" colspan="3">|<--nihed1 has left freenode (Connection timed out)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Fedora Documentation team is already aware that we are missing documentation but that won't magically appear without people spending time on it</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">yeah docs need all the volunteers they can get!</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">I write little howto's so might do that since I'd be adding them to my site as well as fedora.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">(hey all)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">JonRob: hi</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">JonRob: hi</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I am not much of a marketing expert so I have been noting down details on what Red Hat did with the RHEL 5 launch and learning from that</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">Strikeforce: drop a note to fedora-docs and/or join in the meeting tomorrow</td></tr> <tr><td class="other" colspan="3">-->|nihed1 (n=ikanawa@41.224.209.109) has joined #fedora-mktg</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">That website that you emailed to marketing was an interesting read. I think it'll help in providing focus.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">which website?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Is there a way that we can get people's ideas to the fedoraproject</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">depending on what this is</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">different sub project mailing lists or bugzilla would be avenues</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">for specific things we need feedback on</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">we have been running surveys before</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">the results are available in the wiki</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Surveys">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Surveys</a></td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Could it be something we link with fedoraforum to get the people that don't participate in mailling lists</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">as you can note</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">its been a while</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">so we might run it once more shortly after</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Fedora 8 launch</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I think we should do that</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">the forum, irc etc is linked from <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate</a></td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">I would like a list of areas where people struggle "website, marketing, docs" a range of stuff that we can allocate priority to.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">which again is linked from the front page</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">like i said we could run a generic survey</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Try to understand where our 'customers' find frustration</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">do you have other ideas?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">One question</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Is it illegal in the USA to change an mp3 -> ogg?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Since you can buy mp3's online from vendors</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">it isn't illegal</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">but you need a encoder and a decoder</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">installed</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">to do that</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Fedora don't offer that?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and doing such kind of media decoding</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">from one lozzy format to another</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">is going to result in loss of quality</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">we can't offer either by default, no</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Trying to come up with ideas on how to combat the mp3 issue</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">are you aware of codec buddy?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Yeah</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">i think it solves that problem</td></tr> <tr><td class="other" colspan="3">-->|llaumgui_ (n=llaumgui@cro34-2-82-226-153-125.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #fedora-mktg</td></tr> <tr><td class="other" colspan="3">|<--llaumgui has left freenode (Remote closed the connection)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Yeah it does definitely</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and we are working with Red Hat Legal to potentially link to rpmfusion</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">as a alternative to Fluendo codecs</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">for users from regions that don't enforce software patents</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">anything else that we need to look at specifically for Fedora 8?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Are we able to get numbers of installations to see if we are marketing well enough and graph it?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">yes that is ongoing work at <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics</a></td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and we are discussing with other distributions to adopt smolt</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">if they do that, it would be even more helpful</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">towards understanding users</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and helping solve some of the problems</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">in addition to merely tracking some metrics</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">I agree.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">OpenSUSE 10.3 already includes Smolt</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and they have been evaluating integration by default</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">we are also discussing it with Mandriva and Ubuntu</td></tr> <tr><td class="other" colspan="3">|<--fcrippa has left freenode (Remote closed the connection)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">That's good to hear.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">if you have contacts in other distributions</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">talk to them</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">there is a lot of development coordination that is possible too</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">system-config-printer is included by default in the upcoming Ubuntu version for example</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">JonRob: still there?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">That's good to hear.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser_</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">+1</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">we are going to be using hosted.fedoraproject.org for all the system-config* tools so that the source isnt just in the srpms</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">thats the plan anyway</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> Strikeforce</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">Apologies to all I have to leave right now have a birthday party to attend. I've signed up with doc's at the moment will send an introduction letter later on.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">see ya</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">if anyone else have other ideas that we need to discuss, let me know</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">mether: yeah sorry</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">but i do have to dash again shortly :S turns out not such a good time for me!</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">JonRob: it's ok. I just wanted to know how the interviews are progressing</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">Strikefoce: bye!</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">mether: yeah not bad...i've got transifex to go up this coming week</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">and i'm waiting for answers about pulse audio</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">which i may try and chase up (politely)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">beyond that i need to get more questions sent out now</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">ya, he has been busy</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">what about the interview with chitlesh goorah</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">yeah i appreciate that - really appreciate the time all the developers have given! think it's been worth it thoguh :D</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">yeah transifex</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">is ready to go this week</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">electronics lab spin</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">transifex = dimitris glezos?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">yes</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">dimitris has submitted a talk proposal in a conference in India which is likely to get accepted btw</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">oh lol yes sorry!</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">in December</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">i'm getting my head in a spin here today</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">electronics lab is also ready to go :D</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">great</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">mether: cool about dimitris...</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">other features i really want to cover:</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">codec buddy</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">firewall config</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">oh man and my mind is blank again</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">well they're two good targets for the next few</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">right</td></tr> <tr><td class="other" colspan="3">-->|DanseMakabre (i=pat@gandalf.ds5.agh.edu.pl) has joined #fedora-mktg</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">i think we can keep going post release too</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">but these two features</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">can be published about before the release itself</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">if possible</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">yes definitely</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">it might be cool to put together a summary article too</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">yes</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">covering all the features with quotes from the devs etc</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">i think that should be a pdf file</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">and then try and get that posted around in the same way as the interviews</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">benefits/features</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">but save that for close to the release</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">yeah pdf would be good</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">right</td></tr> <tr><td class="other" colspan="3">< mether>I will start working on that</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">ok cool</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">what else is needed?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">release announcement?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">yeah, documentation team has been taking care of that so far</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and I am all for letting that continue</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">if we can get more organized documentation</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">yeah they do a good job with it</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">for creating spins</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">that would be good</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">from the marketing perspective we really need that</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">oh shoot - my apologies for that - i had volunteered to do that sometime ago</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">for spins.fp.o</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">but i've just run out of itme</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">JonRob: no prob, we've all got busy lives</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">if anyone wants to look into again, please do.</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">what i got so far is on the docs project wiki space</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">i think what would be most useful is a really simple break down though</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">yep</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">at least for the immediate future</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">ok</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">anything else or shall we wind up now?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a"><a href="http://revisor.fedoraunity.org/documentation">http://revisor.fedoraunity.org/documentation</a></td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">fedora unity have done a pretty good job themselves actually</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">we should at least point to that somehwere</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">one of the problems</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">is that documentation on spins</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">is very much scattered</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">all over the place</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">fedora unity docs can be copied</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">directly</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">the license is the same</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">FYI</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">ok cool - wel maybe if we add their documentation to the docs.fp.org</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">with a bit of editing?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">we should</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">maybe this is more a matter for docs team to discuss?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">that would be about an hour of work</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">to clean it up</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">merge it with the existing docs in the wiki</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and publish it</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">shall i post to the docs list about this?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I have added tons of references to <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CustomSpins">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CustomSpins</a></td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">yes</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">JonRob: can you make the docs-meeting tomorrow? (17UTC)</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">let them know what we've said?</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">go ahead</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> JonRob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">couf: probably not :S</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">post to the list</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> couf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">JonRob: yeah okay, no worries</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">needn't wait for the meeting</td></tr> <tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> mether</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">--- meeting over ---</td></tr> </table> <div class="generatedby"> <p>Generated by irclog2html.py 2.5 by <a href="mailto:marius@pov.lt">Marius Gedminas</a> - find it at <a href="http://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/">mg.pov.lt</a>!</p> </div> </body> </html>