Meeting:Board meeting 2011-01-17

Fedora Board Meeting, 2011 01 17

• Secretary: Jaroslav Reznik (jreznik)
• Meeting Type: IRC

Attendance

Present:

• Jared Smith (jsmith)
• Jaroslav Reznik (jreznik)
• Toshio Kurotami (abadger1999)
• Tom 'spot' Callaway (spot)
• Jon Stanley (jds2001)
• Rex Dieter (rdieter)
• Stephen Smoogen (smooge)
• Joerg Simon (kital)
• Máirín Duffy (mizmo)
• David Nalley (ke4qqq)

• Papadeas Pierros (liknus) and Igor Soares (igorps) representing FAmSCo

Not Present:

Agenda

• Fedora strategic goals discussion with FAmSCo

Notes/Summary

Fedora strategic goals discussion with FAmSCo

• Pierros Papadeas, the Chair of FAmSCo presented their thoughts on Fedora goals proposed by Board to the community discussion
  • FAmSCo prepared suggestions, additions and proposed ownership for goals - http://piratepad.net/fedorafbg2011
  • FAmSCo feels that each goal needs specific deliverables and action items (and owners also)
    • Spot mentions that board would be looking to groups like FAMSCo to identify those deliverables and action items for themselves, with the understanding that other groups may also have deliverables/action items for the same goal

GOAL #1: Improve and simplify collaboration in the Fedora Community (FAmSCo)

• FAmSCo thinks that scheduling and events application is a key part in achieving this goal
  • calendaring solution prepared by the end of 2011 (FAmSCo is working on)

• face to face meetings
  • IDEA: At each FUDCon we can have at least one SCo fully present on this FUDCon
  • the way we #1 improve SCo collaboration and #2 improve the level of FUDCons

GOAL #3: Improve and encourage high-quality communication in the Fedora Community (FAmSCo)

• more explanations on Summarizers
• Ambassadors have vast experience in meetings (regional, local etc ones)
  • classrooms on hosting a meeting
• promote voice meetings-calls, especially for local teams (lower language barrier - jreznik)

GOAL #4: It is extraordinarily easy to join the Fedora community and quickly find a project to work on. (FAmSCo)

• FAmSCo can lead this goal and make sure by the end of 2011 make deliver a barrier-free Joining procedure for each project of Fedora
  • Kital prefers mentoring over barrier-free joining
  • common steps to join different Fedora sub-projects, finding the right subproject based on contributor's profile

GOAL #11: Expand global presence of Fedora among users & contributors (FAmSCo)

• FAmSCo means Fedora Project global-wise (geographically) has two main issues
  • minimal Africa presence
  • no APAC wide Events and collaboration of community
• FAmSCo's goal is to have 4 FUDCons on our respective regions annually
  • FADs can lead the way towards it
  • depends on budget approvals and clearance of Community Architecture team
  • FAmSCo reports minimal investments in new regions leading to major improvements
  • https://fedoraproject.org/membership-map/

GOAL #12: Improve education & skill sharing in community (FAmSCo)

• FAmSCo has nothing particular to add to the goal #12

Summary:

• FAmSCo preferences are #11 #4 #1 #3 (tie) #12 (in order of preference)
• Next thing is to hear what FESCo thinks, and to remind FESCo that we want their feedback from the list of 15 (and possible other goals), rather than the "5" preferred by Board
• Fedora Board thanks FAmSCo for valuable feedback!

Action Items

Open

Closed

Next Meeting

Next meeting will be phone on 2011-01-24 at 19:00 UTC.

Full IRC Log

jreznik	#startmeeting Fedora Board Meeting --- Meeting:Board_meeting_2011-01-17	19:00
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jsmith	liknus: It'll be done here.	19:00
jsmith	jreznik: Mind making me a chair (#chair jsmith), and I'll help run zodbot?	19:00
jreznik	#meetingname board	19:00
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jreznik	#chair jsmith	19:00
zodbot	Current chairs: jreznik jsmith	19:00
rdieter	hola	19:00
jsmith	#meetingname Fedora Board	19:00
zodbot	The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_board'	19:00
abadger1999	#meetingname fedora_board	19:01
zodbot	The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_board'	19:01
abadger1999	hehe	19:01
abadger1999	too many cooks :-)	19:01
jsmith	No worries	19:01
jreznik	abadger1999: feel free to cook to - it's going to be hard today :)	19:01
jreznik	#topic Roll call	19:02
jreznik	Who's present today?	19:02
liknus	.fas ppapadeas	19:02
zodbot	liknus: ppapadeas 'Papadeas Pierros' <ppapadeas@gmail.com>	19:02
* spot is here		19:02
* jds2001 here		19:02
rdieter	here	19:02
* DiscordianUK		19:02
jds2001	(for a few minutes only)	19:02
smooge	I am here	19:02
liknus	(oops you don;t do the .fas thing :P )	19:02
* abadger1999 here		19:02
* cwickert is here and lurks		19:02
spot	liknus: no, but it is an interesting idea. :)	19:03
* kital is here but very unfocused today :S		19:03
* jsmith is here		19:03
liknus	spot, it is heavily used in Ambassadors meetings	19:03
* mizmo here		19:03
* ke4qqq is here		19:04
jreznik	#info jreznik jsmith abadger1999 spot jds2001 rdieter DiscordianUK smooge kital mizmo ke4qqq present, cwickert lurking	19:04
jreznik	anyone else we are waiting for?	19:05
jsmith	I don't think so -- let's go ahead and get started	19:05
jreznik	just a reminder - meeting rules	19:05
jreznik	#link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/IRC	19:05
jsmith	So first of all, I'd like to welcome everyone and say "thank you" for coming :-)	19:05
jsmith	The goal of today's meeting is to discuss some broader (multi-release) goals.	19:06
jsmith	The Fedora Board has spent the last couple of months working on a list of our own goals (the "infamous 15")	19:06
jsmith	That being said, none of us is as smart as all of us	19:07
jsmith	So we wanted to reach out to other groups (FAmSCo, FESCo, SIGs, etc.) and get their input as well	19:07
jreznik	#topic Fedora strategic goals discussion (with FAmSCo)	19:07
jsmith	Let me point out that we're not limiting ourselves just to the 15 goals listed by the Board, but any other goals that FAmSCo might be interested in :-)	19:07
spot	!	19:08
jsmith	=> spot	19:08
spot	Okay, a few points that are worth making:	19:08
spot	#1: This is the list of goals along with some useful examples Meeting:Board_meeting_2010-12-13#Suggested_Goals_in_more_detail:	19:08
jds2001	!	19:09
spot	#2: The input we most want from you is not necessarily what you think would be coolest, but rather, which goals you think you would be able and excited about doing.	19:09
spot	eof	19:09
jreznik	=> jds2001	19:09
jds2001	also, the examples mentioned don't necessarily mean anything other than "this is what we thought of"	19:09
mizmo	!	19:10
jds2001	please feel free to come up with things not on the list of examples that would be in furtherance of the goals	19:10
jds2001	eof	19:10
jreznik	=> mizmo	19:10
mizmo	i just wanted to note that the board didn't come up with the goals entirely, there was an open discussion on #advisory-board where many of the ideas were gathered from	19:11
mizmo	eof	19:11
mizmo	(er advisory-board-list)	19:11
liknus	!	19:11
cwickert	!	19:11
jreznik	=> liknus	19:11
liknus	Shall we get started with input from FAmSCo?	19:12
liknus	eof	19:12
spot	+1	19:12
jds2001	+1	19:12
jreznik	liknus: +1	19:12
liknus	Ok then,	19:12
liknus	Hello all, I am Pierros Chair of FAmSCo and I will begin apologizing on behalf of the rest of famsco who could not attend this meeting	19:13
liknus	We had a special meeting on discussing the goals set by the Board	19:13
liknus	http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-01-15/famsco.2011-01-15-13.06.html	19:13
liknus	and we ended up with Suggestions, Additions and some proposed ownership	19:14
liknus	All those are written also here (in bold italics) :	19:14
liknus	http://piratepad.net/fedorafbg2011	19:14
liknus	(and are part of our meeting's minutes)	19:14
mizmo	?	19:15
liknus	mizmo, please go ahead	19:15
mizmo	the pirate pad says "Five highest ranked goals according to Board" ... so FESCo didn't pick those 5?	19:15
mizmo	eof	19:15
liknus	mizmo, those goals are taken from the wiki page :	19:16
liknus	Board_goals_2011	19:16
jreznik	#info FAmSCo prepared suggestions, additions and proposed ownership for goals - http://piratepad.net/fedorafbg2011	19:16
mizmo	?	19:16
liknus	According to FAmSCo those are indeed the goals we should focus	19:16
liknus	=> mizmo	19:16
mizmo	were the other 10 goals evaluated by FAmSCo as well?	19:17
mizmo	eof	19:17
liknus	mizmo, we focused only on those 5, as we believe that having widely published many goals will lead to confusion and not-focused work done	19:18
mizmo	!	19:18
liknus	mizmo,	19:18
mizmo	i think we have some confusion here	19:18
mizmo	the board came up with a list of 15 example goals	19:18
mizmo	they are not exhaustive	19:18
mizmo	(i am pretty sure) we were looking to see which of the 15 FAmSCo thought would be most important to pursue over the next two releases, and if we missed any to propose additional ones	19:19
spot	mizmo: +1	19:19
jds2001	mizmo: +1	19:19
mizmo	absolutely agreed having > 5 set as the goals is going to be too confusing and simply not possible to achieve	19:20
jreznik	mizmo: +1	19:20
mizmo	at this point though we're looking to figure out which of the 15+others are the most important, and we were look for famsco's perspective on what 3-5 goals they thought most important	19:20
mizmo	eof	19:20
liknus	Famsco saw the 15 ones and ended up reallizing that the already "high ranked" ones suit us OK	19:20
abadger1999	?	19:20
liknus	abadger1999,	19:20
abadger1999	What ranking did FAMSCo assign to those five? (The Board will likely further narrow it down to 2-3 goals before htis is done).	19:21
liknus	(also out of those 5 we think that some are more important than ithers)	19:21
liknus	exactly abadger1999 I will come to that	19:21
liknus	So starting, as a general notice, we feel that each goal needs specific deliverables and action items (and owners also)	19:22
liknus	that way we can assess the success or any blockers along the way	19:22
spot	!	19:22
liknus	=> spot	19:23
jreznik	#info FAmSCo feels that each goal needs specific deliverables and action items (and owners also)	19:23
spot	liknus: that makes sense, but to be clear, we would be looking to groups like FAMSCo to identify those deliverables and action items for themselves, with the understanding that other groups may also have deliverables/action items for the same goal	19:23
spot	as opposed to mandating it from the Board down.	19:23
spot	eof	19:23
rdieter	!	19:23
jreznik	=> rdieter	19:24
liknus	spot, glad to hear :) We were thinking of the same approach	19:24
rdieter	in addition, at this point, consider these just strategic goals, without specific implementations. that comes later (by various groups within fedora as spot mentioned).	19:24
mizmo	spot +1	19:24
rdieter	eof	19:25
spot	rdieter: +1	19:25
jreznik	rdieter, spot: +1	19:25
jsmith	rdieter: +1	19:25
liknus	totally understood that's why part of our suggestions are simply refining and second stage approach on the goals	19:25
liknus	Shall I move in detail discussion over each goal?	19:26
spot	+1	19:26
mizmo	liknus +1	19:26
jsmith	+1	19:26
abadger1999	+1	19:26
jreznik	liknus: go ahead!	19:26
liknus	OK so Goal #	19:26
liknus	Goal #1	19:26
jreznik	#topic Goal #1 (FAmSCo)	19:26
liknus	We can live with a smaller name (as in all Goals) sth like Improve and Simplify Collaboration	19:27
liknus	We think that scheduling and events application is a key part in achieving this goal	19:27
liknus	this is something that was long debated within fedora and we still have not reached a conclusion	19:28
liknus	So as a suggestion we feel that by the end of 2011 we should have a good calendaring solution, either within Fedora Community Portal or through an modified wiki page	19:29
liknus	(We are working on the second one as FAmSCo)	19:29
igorps	!	19:29
liknus	igorps,	19:29
jreznik	#topic Goal #1 - Improve and simplify collaboration in the Fedora Community (FAmSCo)	19:29
igorps	We also think that meeting face to face is important	19:30
igorps	for all SCos	19:30
liknus	(and that is our second addition on Goal #1)	19:30
igorps	and we could do that on FUDCons around the world	19:30
rockworldmi	!	19:30
igorps	eof	19:30
jreznik	=> rockworldmi	19:30
rockworldmi	Features/Team_meeting_schedule_applet	19:30
liknus	Calendaring solution should be also focused on our events	19:31
liknus	not only meetings	19:31
igorps	+1	19:31
rockworldmi	but i think there will be better option for gnome 3's availability..default calendar can be itegrated for meeting's schedules	19:31
rockworldmi	linkus:ou are right	19:31
rockworldmi	eof	19:31
liknus	Anyway returning on what igorps brought up	19:32
liknus	The basic idea behind this is :	19:32
liknus	At each FUDCon we can have at least one SCo fully present on this FUDCon	19:32
jreznik	#idea At each FUDCon we can have at least one SCo fully present on this FUDCon	19:33
liknus	that way we #1 improve SCo collaboration and #2 improve the level of FUDCons	19:33
jreznik	liknus: +1, I like it	19:33
liknus	also by having them around the world will significally lower the budget as SCos are distributed around the globe	19:34
rockworldmi	linkus:+1	19:34
liknus	We can make sure this happens within 2011 also (there is still plenty of time)	19:34
igorps	!	19:34
liknus	igorps,	19:34
igorps	I suggests that one idea is to start with the upcoming FUDCon Panama	19:35
igorps	in May	19:35
igorps	we still can manage time for that	19:35
spot	!	19:35
igorps	but this is just one first idea	19:35
igorps	eof	19:35
jreznik	=> spot	19:35
spot	This is useful, just keep in mind that we're not committing to anything yet. :)	19:36
spot	eof	19:36
liknus	none asked for commission :) we understand that this needs serious thought :)	19:36
igorps	+1	19:36
liknus	Shall I move to the next goal?	19:36
spot	liknus: +1	19:36
jsmith	liknus: +1	19:37
liknus	Ok Goal #2	19:37
liknus	I am sorry.. it is # 3	19:37
jreznik	#topic GOAL #3: Improve and encourage high-quality communication in the Fedora Community (FAmSCo)	19:37
liknus	So we need some more explanations on Summarizers (possibly off the meeting -- on the mailing list? )	19:38
jsmith	Sure.	19:38
mizmo	!	19:39
liknus	=> mizmo	19:39
mizmo	just a suggestion, liknus! it might be helpful for us on the board to understand the impact of these goals on ambassadors better if you could give us maybe a summary	19:39
mizmo	of in what ways achieving the goal would positively impact ambassadors	19:39
mizmo	you've done this a little bit so far, especially with the calendaring point	19:39
liknus	ok mizmo I will make sure I do :)	19:40
mizmo	but just a suggestion to point it out clearly / up front	19:40
mizmo	eof	19:40
liknus	So moving on :	19:40
liknus	Ambassadors have vast experience in meetings (regional, local etc ones)	19:40
liknus	So I think that we can benefit from having nice classrooms on hosting a meeting (and what happens after that -- transparency etc)	19:41
liknus	We are confident we can be owners of such an action item and also in parallel form the appropriate SOPs	19:41
liknus	(we have already started to form Ambassadors SOPs)	19:42
liknus	Also many times, by people with experience in other projects (Gnome, Mozilla) it has been suggested to try out more widely some voice meetings-calls	19:42
liknus	And that bring us to our last addition, that we want to make more people aware of the VoIP capabilities our project has and make more use of them	19:43
liknus	Especially on local meetings (country-wide) we could benefit a lot	19:43
liknus	I think we are done on this Goal	19:44
liknus	moving on?	19:44
spot	liknus: +1	19:44
mizmo	liknus+1	19:44
jreznik	!	19:44
liknus	Goal #4 (should be named "Ease of joining" :)	19:44
liknus	=> jreznik	19:44
jreznik	just a quick note -> voip is nice but there's much bigger language barrier (not for local ones)	19:45
jreznik	eof	19:45
liknus	thats why we think that it will be best suited country wise :)	19:45
liknus	So on Goal # 4	19:46
liknus	Ambassadors deal daily with Joining procedures	19:46
jreznik	#topic GOAL #4: It is extraordinarily easy to join the Fedora community and quickly find a project to work on. (FAmSCo)	19:46
liknus	One of our main purpose is to facilitate people joining the project (in each subproject)	19:46
liknus	We think that we can lead this Goal and make sure by the end of 2011 we deliver a barrier-free Joining procedure for each project of fedora	19:47
kital	!	19:47
liknus	We have already tested some approaches on Ambassadors and we think they are good enough to be applied in other projects too	19:48
liknus	=> kital	19:48
kital	i do not want to dive into details - but i prefer to focus more on mentoring instead on barrier-free	19:49
kital	just as a side note - i am happy to help with this goal!	19:49
kital	eof	19:49
liknus	kital, of course .. I was simply referring on gathering info.. not on letting "anyone join"	19:49
kital	yep	19:50
igorps	!	19:50
liknus	Also in this spirit we acknowledge that each subproject has its own unique way of working and we understand our organic structure	19:50
liknus	Still we are confident on finding common steps that can be outlined on the same way	19:50
liknus	thus, joining another project can be a familiar procedure for each fedora contributor	19:51
liknus	"Cross joining" or joining multiple projects within Fedora has been always a weird issue, especially in terms of how info is spread within a subproject	19:52
liknus	=> igorps	19:52
igorps	One point of view is that Ambassadors should be able to identify contributors's profile and guide them to the subproject that best fits their profiles	19:52
igorps	This an Ambassador role that we need to emphasize a bit more.	19:52
igorps	For instance Ambassadors can guide new contributors to get in touch with subproject mentors	19:53
igorps	eof	19:53
liknus	thanks igorps :)	19:53
kital	+1 igorps	19:53
liknus	Summarizing on this one : "Make Ambassadors profiling and help work easier" :)	19:54
liknus	And I think we are done on this Goal also	19:54
liknus	Moving on?	19:54
igorps	+1	19:54
spot	+1	19:55
jreznik	#topic GOAL #11: Expand global presence of Fedora among users & contributors (FAmSCo)	19:55
liknus	Goal #11 Expand Global Presence	19:55
liknus	ok So generally speaking we can see that Fedora Project global-wise (geographically) has two main issues	19:55
liknus	minimal Africa presence and no APAC wide Events and collaboration of community	19:56
liknus	(I know that those are generallizations and not totally true and we might also have other issues etc but bare with me)	19:56
liknus	We envision a process of event planning like this :	19:57
liknus	Regional FADs (focused on a subject or not) leading up (preparing) FUDCons	19:57
liknus	For us in order to achive our goal having 4 FUDCons on our respective regions annually is of outmost importance	19:58
liknus	FADs can lead the way towards it	19:59
liknus	so in specific:	19:59
liknus	FAD Ghana is on the way and a couple more FADs in Africa can lead on a FUDCON there	19:59
liknus	also FUDCON APAC is a must for 2011 and we hope that Board can help on that direction also	19:59
liknus	(India seems like the place to go by most people I know.. but this can be discussed off-meeting)	20:00
liknus	Also moving on : regional meetings	20:00
mizmo	?	20:01
liknus	=> mizmo	20:01
mizmo	is FAmSCo already pursuing this issue and if so what additional aid/support would you expect from the rest of the project to the ambassadors to help make it happen	20:01
mizmo	eof	20:01
liknus	mizmo, you are referring on FUDCON?	20:02
mizmo	liknus, no, i'm referring to the goal, expand the global presence of fedora	20:03
kital	!	20:03
liknus	Our main concern is the budget approvals and clearance of Community Architecture team	20:03
mizmo	liknus, is famsco already pursuing that goal, and if so, what additional support would you expect / need / require to make it a reality if goal #11 was made one of the fedora goals for 2011	20:03
mizmo	eof	20:03
jreznik	=> kital	20:04
liknus	We do, and we are expecting more support on speedy budget decisions	20:04
kital	i also saw that famsco has the goal for a closer team up with marketing-team will you focus marketing activities together with larger event activities	20:04
liknus	(many decisions can take up to 3 months to get a response budget-wise)	20:04
kital	does famsco also consider how much value we get back from our investments in new areas?	20:05
liknus	FUDCon is currently our biggest approach on events and we might end up on something bigger or different with Marketing team	20:06
kital	s/values/contributors/	20:06
liknus	(discussions are yet to come)	20:06
kital	just to make sure that they are related to that goal	20:06
kital	eof	20:06
liknus	Our investments on new areas had been minimal and we can already see major imporvements	20:07
liknus	I can state 3 examples :	20:07
liknus	Australia, Greece and Tunisia	20:07
kital	you forgott china	20:07
kital	;)	20:07
igorps	I would say Chile as well	20:08
liknus	China is still to be proven but certainly on the right track	20:08
liknus	Chile also	20:08
liknus	So in order to move on with examples like that we need budget and speedy responses on that	20:08
liknus	Also another point on expansion is the primary usage of fedoracommunity.org	20:09
liknus	We want it to be finalized and board to pursue the transition of local presences on this domain	20:09
liknus	(with options of course)	20:09
liknus	Also have a clear policy on Community Hosting	20:10
liknus	Finally we will pursue on our side the participation on local LUGs and Groups	20:10
liknus	Any questions on those points?	20:11
liknus	(is board taking notes? are you going to discuss on them later?)	20:11
mizmo	!	20:11
jsmith	liknus: Yes, we're taking notes :-)	20:11
kital	liknus: vizualization always helps	20:11
kital	http://fedoraproject.org/maps/f14/	20:11
kital	https://fedoraproject.org/membership-map/	20:11
liknus	thanks kital :)	20:12
liknus	=> mizmo	20:12
kital	this can help to measure success or failure	20:12
kital	eof	20:12
mizmo	i think we'll discuss them afterwards too	20:12
mizmo	eof	20:12
* kital has to go sorry ;S		20:13
liknus	ok moving on?	20:13
* liknus waves to kital		20:13
spot	liknus: +1	20:13
liknus	Goal #12 then	20:13
jreznik	#topic GOAL #12: Improve education & skill sharing in community (FAmSCo)	20:14
liknus	we have nothing in particular to add to this goal as FAmSCo,	20:14
liknus	we do believe though that we can have major beneficial impact by pursuing this goal	20:15
liknus	especially in terms of recruiting, as it can act as luring point for newcomers	20:16
jreznik	#info FAmSCo has nothing to add to the goal #12	20:16
liknus	An active "Classrooms" initiative will help a lot when we make a point about "skills sharing" in public	20:17
rockworldmi	liknus:+1	20:17
liknus	That being said we as famsco pursue the creation of many Ambassador SOPs, transitioning wiki knowledge to specific SOPs	20:18
jsmith	liknus: +1	20:18
spot	!	20:18
liknus	and that was eof for this goal and for FAmSCo input in general	20:18
liknus	thanks all for listening :)	20:19
spot	?	20:19
liknus	=> spot	20:19
spot	my question (ignore my !) is: Is it possible for FAMSCo to rank these goals by preference?	20:19
liknus	A rough approach would be :	20:20
liknus	#11 #4 #1 #3 (tie) #12	20:20
liknus	in order of preference	20:20
liknus	eof	20:21
jreznik	#info FAmSCo preferences are #11 #4 #1 #3 (tie) #12 (in order of preference)	20:21
smooge	?	20:21
jreznik	=> smooge	20:22
smooge	Just to be clear, are these ones that FAMSCo are going to implement themselves in their area, looking to help project wise, or looking for furhter input.	20:23
smooge	eof	20:23
spot	!	20:23
liknus	!	20:23
jsmith	=> spot	20:24
jsmith	=> liknus	20:24
spot	smooge: thats a very confusing question. We asked FAMSCo to give us feedback on which goals they are most interested in and think they could be involved with. Its a bit early to do that.	20:25
jsmith	(and then we'll come back to spot)	20:25
spot	eof	20:25
smooge	!	20:25
smooge	or ?	20:25
jreznik	=> liknus	20:25
liknus	Agreed with spot .. we are willing to head some action items , but we can discuss that when actions are finallized	20:25
liknus	just consider us open and available for some major help :)	20:26
liknus	eof	20:26
jreznik	=> smooge	20:26
smooge	my apologies.. I lost track somewhere in the discussion as we got feedback and then project ideas.	20:26
spot	!	20:26
smooge	I was trying to get an idea of what we were to discuss afterworsds.	20:26
smooge	eof	20:26
jreznik	=> spot	20:27
spot	to liknus and FAMSCo, thanks for your work here. I hope you are as excited about this new approach as we are.	20:27
spot	eof	20:27
jreznik	spot: +1, thanks FAmSCo for sharing their ideas!	20:28
liknus	We are :) thanks for letting us express that :) We will be with you on all the process	20:28
mizmo	!	20:28
jreznik	=> mizmo	20:29
mizmo	im wondering about the board's next steps now	20:29
mizmo	would it be worth a quick discussion?	20:29
spot	!	20:30
* liknus will be here the whole meeting so feel free to ask me anything else or just move on		20:30
mizmo	i think we should note FAmSCo's support of the goals, enumerate their specific ideas under each goal, and then document that so when we review the info we've been gathering to whittle down the goals it'll be readily available	20:30
mizmo	eof	20:30
spot	mizmo: +1	20:30
jsmith	mizmo: +1	20:30
jreznik	mizmo: +1 for documenting FAmSCo goals	20:30
jreznik	work for me today	20:30
jreznik	=> spot	20:30
spot	jreznik: mizmo basically said what i was going to, except that the next step is to hear what FESCo thinks, and to remind FESCo that we want their feedback from the list of 15, rather than the "5"	20:31
spot	eof	20:31
jsmith	spot: +1	20:31
jreznik	!	20:32
jreznik	I agree with feedback for all goals + more goals	20:33
jreznik	but we want to know what they prefere (and order of preference)	20:33
jreznik	eof	20:33
spot	jreznik: +1	20:35
spot	!	20:35
jreznik	=> spot	20:35
spot	jreznik: my point was more that I wanted FESCo to pick their own top five, without assuming that the board's "five" are their set. :)	20:35
spot	not that i'm implying that FAMSCo did that, just wanted to avoid any issue of bias/taint.	20:36
spot	eof	20:36
liknus	(we did partially, but *really* those are the goals we also think should be top-5)	20:36
liknus	(possibly top 4 removing the last one)	20:36
* liknus is sorry for not keeping the meeting protocol		20:37
* liknus goes into lurk mode		20:37
jsmith	liknus: You're OK :-)	20:37
mizmo	!	20:38
jreznik	=> mizmo	20:38
mizmo	hi i just wanted to suggest we end the meeting now, we're at 1 hour 40 min at this point. i think we've covered pretty much everything, so great job	20:39
spot	mizmo: +1	20:39
jsmith	+1	20:40
jreznik	mizmo: +1	20:40
jsmith	Thanks again everyone for your comments and your participation!	20:40
gholms	Thanks, folks!	20:40
abadger1999	Thanks to famsco	20:40
abadger1999	and liknus for representing htem :-)	20:40
jreznik	ok, thanks all!	20:40
jreznik	#endmeeting	20:41

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