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| -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo hangin' out -- roll call and opening number | 12:02 | |
| quaid | KarstenWade, estoy aqui | 12:03 |
| * stickster present and accounted for | 12:03 | |
| * couf | 12:03 | |
| jsmith | JaredSmith... estoy aqui tambien | 12:03 |
| jsmith | (Well, for various definitions of "here") | 12:03 |
| quaid | ok, I have weird networking stuff but this ssh seems ok, so ... | 12:04 |
| * jsmith twiddles the bits on quaid's router | 12:05 | |
| -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo talking -- Elections | 12:05 | |
| stickster | Ah, elections. | 12:05 |
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| * stickster hopes quaid didn't disappera | 12:06 | |
| quaid | no, I'm here | 12:06 |
| stickster | From the Spanish for "disappear." (apologies.0 | 12:06 |
| quaid | I want to troubleshoot but then I'd drop | 12:06 |
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| quaid | ok, anyway | 12:08 |
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| quaid | I'm beginning to feel like we have too many elections around here :) | 12:08 |
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| couf | I second that | 12:08 |
| quaid | and I'm a bit unclear if we have achieved the steps to setup a new Chair around here. | 12:08 |
| quaid | so I'm open for discussion on the topic in that vein and others | 12:09 |
| couf | unfortunately the new-to-be chair isn't around :-/ | 12:10 |
| stickster | Yeah, it's difficult to have this conversation without him | 12:10 |
| quaid | ok | 12:11 |
| stickster | Has anyone thought about Docs in light of Jef Spaleta's role-based SIG idea, and whether we might actually enjoy *better* success -- and a better ruler against which to measure ourselves -- as a SIG? | 12:11 |
| stickster | That could be total crazy talk. | 12:11 |
| quaid | stickster: um, see ... | 12:11 |
| quaid | that is crazy talk | 12:11 |
| stickster | OK | 12:11 |
| quaid | Docs is a clear example of a subproject | 12:12 |
| quaid | in the role-based SIG world | 12:12 |
| quaid | there would be a Documentor in each SIG focused on that SIG content | 12:12 |
| quaid | and that person is *also* a memmber of the Docs Project (Subproj) | 12:12 |
| quaid | make sense? | 12:12 |
| Southern_Gentlem | or should be | 12:13 |
| quaid | that said, we were discussing governance here a few hours ago, and Jeff didn't even know that we require elections for Projects | 12:13 |
| quaid | Southern_Gentlem: refer to "in the role-based SIG world" | 12:13 |
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| couf | so basiclly we would be a resource subproject working for the SIGs? | 12:14 |
| quaid | that's basically it | 12:15 |
| stickster | Well, I think what quaid is saying is that we'd "embed" with them | 12:15 |
| stickster | Is that a good characterization of it? | 12:15 |
| quaid | sure | 12:15 |
| * couf tries to get the whole role-based SIG concept here | 12:15 | |
| couf | right, gotcha | 12:15 |
| quaid | the idea is to get people working on what interests them | 12:15 |
| quaid | and filling roles there more than "packaging" | 12:16 |
| couf | +1 | 12:17 |
| quaid | so, elections and governance ... | 12:17 |
| quaid | on-list? | 12:17 |
| quaid | move to, that is | 12:17 |
| stickster | +1 | 12:18 |
| couf | maybe, but we *should* get a clear POV from John, personal mail could help | 12:18 |
| couf | just to make sure we don't keep pushing this back | 12:18 |
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| Southern_Gentlem | what can be done to lower the barriers for people to get involved in the docs project | 12:22 |
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| jmbuser | JohnBabich late | 12:22 |
| Southern_Gentlem | some people see it a litte extreme to have to get on cvs just to get a tutorial on how to do docs | 12:23 |
| stickster | Southern_Gentlem: You missed last week's meeting :-) | 12:23 |
| stickster | jmbuser! hi! | 12:23 |
| quaid | hey jmbuser | 12:24 |
| jmbuser | quaid: hey | 12:24 |
| quaid | we're discussing governance | 12:24 |
| jmbuser | stickster: hi | 12:24 |
| jmbuser | carry on... | 12:24 |
| stickster | Southern_Gentlem: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2008-May/msg00032.html | 12:24 |
| quaid | do we need elections, etc. | 12:24 |
| quaid | this often, etc. | 12:25 |
| quaid | I still think it might be an on list discussion | 12:25 |
| quaid | to have. | 12:25 |
| stickster | Me sees that 20 minutes have gone by one topic, and not much said about it. Sounds like a clear "silence gives consent" for the ML. | 12:27 |
| quaid | right on | 12:27 |
| jmbuser | +1 | 12:27 |
| quaid | elections discussion on list etc. | 12:27 |
| lfoppiano | Hi all, sry fro delay.... | 12:27 |
| lfoppiano | *for | 12:27 |
| -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo chilling -- Relnotes, Guides, other content | 12:28 | |
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| lfoppiano | uhm...I lost elections... .-/ | 12:29 |
| lfoppiano | :s/lost/miss/g | 12:29 |
| quaid | lfoppiano: we're moving the topic to the mailing list | 12:29 |
| quaid | ok, wsa there something to sayabout the relnotes? | 12:29 |
| * quaid hsa to be excused for typos, bad connetion, no tim e to edit | 12:30 | |
| lfoppiano | no | 12:30 |
| stickster | mdious has been keeping up with these, and we should have a new package rolled later in the week | 12:30 |
| couf | mdious has been syncing in the last bits | 12:30 |
| stickster | Or maybe weekend | 12:30 |
| quaid | ok, UG and other end-user content is second priority after Fedora contributor-oriented content | 12:31 |
| quaid | I created http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Tasks/SIGSupport | 12:31 |
| quaid | just so we can track who is "embedded" where | 12:31 |
| quaid | note that Docs is supporting any contributor area, SIG and subproject alike; just put it all on that one page for now. | 12:32 |
| couf | do we want to formalize a process for these guys, and join-pages updates etc | 12:33 |
| * stickster has to make a call, will continue lurking here | 12:33 | |
| quaid | couf: we could; we also need to talk to the various grops and see what they want to do | 12:34 |
| quaid | can someone add JohnStanley to that page as writing for BugTriage? | 12:34 |
| couf | sure | 12:35 |
| couf | that is if the wiki wants to let me | 12:36 |
| quaid | it'll be better than what I have right now | 12:36 |
| * couf can't wait next weeks move | 12:36 | |
| quaid | so, update on that | 12:36 |
| quaid | we are doing a premigration on the 23rd | 12:37 |
| quaid | (barring problems) | 12:37 |
| quaid | then doing a re-import of what has changed from 23 to 27 on the 27th | 12:37 |
| quaid | that way we have some days to get things nicer before the actual migration is called | 12:37 |
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| quaid | the old wiki will be up for some time in read-only, hidden from search engines mode | 12:37 |
| couf | wow, fast save for slow wiki | 12:39 |
| quaid | ok, so then the next thing is ... | 12:39 |
| quaid | we need to tell folks that Docs is here to help them solve their internal docs problems | 12:39 |
| quaid | maybe just make the GIG a first output along those lines | 12:39 |
| quaid | so, let's add to that SIGSupport page a link to the section in the GIG that corresponds, so we can have the same people own that content creation | 12:40 |
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| couf | +1 | 12:42 |
| jmbuser | +1 | 12:43 |
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| * jmbuser makes slowest response in Fedora meeting history | 12:44 | |
| * quaid is still waiting for his last typing to appear on the screen | 12:44 | |
| quaid | oh, wait, it did | 12:44 |
| quaid | ok, then ... | 12:45 |
| couf | so shall we first get some basic "this is how you join Fedora"-instructions into the GIG, then spread the new mantra/offering to the world, and move on? | 12:45 |
| quaid | couf: well, those are already there; GIG can have that, but should focus more on the SIGs/Subprojects | 12:45 |
| quaid | oh | 12:45 |
| quaid | you mean | 12:45 |
| quaid | write that in first, stub out the pages, then announce, "come and fill and get some help with your contrib docs"? | 12:45 |
| * quaid sniffs a possible plan | 12:46 | |
| couf | yeah | 12:46 |
| quaid | +1 | 12:46 |
| jmbuser | cool | 12:46 |
| quaid | anyone feel they have the time to focus on the GIG to make that happen in a short timeframe? | 12:47 |
| couf | I could have a stab at it | 12:47 |
| quaid | coo' couf | 12:48 |
| quaid | Action: couf stab at GIG basic intro/join Fedora | 12:48 |
| couf | check | 12:48 |
| quaid | Action: then we send out announcements about the change in Docs focus/role | 12:48 |
| quaid | Action: meanwhile, feel free to blog about it at some point :) | 12:48 |
| * jmbuser needs to start blogging again | 12:49 | |
| quaid | word | 12:49 |
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| quaid | get addicted! | 12:49 |
| quaid | ok, anything more on this topic? | 12:49 |
| * quaid adds some more actionnotes | 12:49 | |
| quaid | Action: election and governance to the list | 12:49 |
| quaid | any other ones I missed? | 12:50 |
| couf | not that I know off | 12:50 |
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| quaid | ten minutes to go and the flo' is open | 12:51 |
| couf | time frame on cvs kill? | 12:51 |
| quaid | hmm | 12:52 |
| quaid | reality? F10 or later because of content actively in there, right? | 12:53 |
| quaid | we are maintaining docs back to F8 | 12:53 |
| quaid | so we might need it opened until F9 EOLs | 12:53 |
| quaid | that said! | 12:53 |
| couf | ah right gpl and all that | 12:53 |
| quaid | we can move on from here, migrate guides for new work in to fedorahosted.org | 12:54 |
| quaid | couf: also, it works to build from there for those versions, why risk a move? it will be for maintainers only at that point anyway | 12:54 |
| quaid | that's my off-the-cuff assessment | 12:54 |
| couf | sure :) | 12:55 |
| quaid | I'd say, any guides we want to publish for F9+ should get a stand alone fedorahosted.org project, SCM of choice, and rock on | 12:55 |
| quaid | not sure if we have to update any part of bugzilla there or not | 12:56 |
| couf | and toolchain needs to get in there too | 12:56 |
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| couf | so I might try that after the GIG stuff | 12:58 |
| quaid | aye, that's true | 12:58 |
| couf | as part of my will to work on the toolchain | 12:58 |
| quaid | ok, that's about it | 12:58 |
| quaid | anything else for today? | 12:58 |
| quaid | I'ma closin' | 12:59 |
| couf | +1 | 12:59 |
| quaid | 30 | 12:59 |
| quaid | ~~ time warp ~~ | 12:59 |
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