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| quaid | <meeting id="Docs"> | 11:04 |
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| quaid | prepping for a 'bot :) | 11:04 |
| * quaid notes Sparks is present | 11:04 | |
| quaid | quaid esta aqui | 11:04 |
| stickster | present! | 11:04 |
| jjmcd | et moi, aussi | 11:05 |
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| quaid | word to that | 11:05 |
| quaid | DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Wednesday.2C_10_December_2008 | 11:06 |
| * jsmith is here | 11:07 | |
| quaid | ok, then | 11:07 |
| -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs mtg - helper docs | 11:08 | |
| quaid | stickster: we have a Catch-22, don't we? | 11:08 |
| quaid | are we going to try to put off some of this work for the virtual hackfest this month? | 11:08 |
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| * danielsmw is here but listening in the background | 11:11 | |
| quaid | word | 11:11 |
| quaid | I'm thinking ... | 11:11 |
| quaid | we need to really figure that we'll do improvements to our actual self-help-ourselves docs | 11:11 |
| quaid | during the group hackfest | 11:11 |
| Sparks | yes | 11:12 |
| quaid | a good first step is to get the page renaming done | 11:12 |
| * Sparks creates a topic portion of the hackfest page | 11:12 | |
| quaid | which I started on, and can take as a deliverable for next week. | 11:12 |
| quaid | that will show the holes better, etc. | 11:12 |
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| Sparks | Do we want to do any page migration to xml during the hackfest? | 11:16 |
| quaid | hmm | 11:16 |
| quaid | if there is an F9 User Guide, why not? | 11:16 |
| Sparks | Maybe we can update it for F10 at the same time (or near the same time) | 11:16 |
| quaid | yes, another good one | 11:17 |
| danielsmw | chiming in | 11:17 |
| danielsmw | as for the f9 user guide | 11:17 |
| danielsmw | there really isn't that much progress on it | 11:17 |
| danielsmw | and a few pages are already on f10 | 11:17 |
| danielsmw | so perhaps during the hackfest | 11:18 |
| danielsmw | we can go ahead and do what sparks suggests | 11:18 |
| danielsmw | update to f9, put that somewhere and start converting | 11:18 |
| danielsmw | and then go ahead and update to f10 | 11:18 |
| quaid | ok | 11:18 |
| * Sparks writes idea to wiki | 11:18 | |
| quaid | danielsmw: while the topic is open, have you thought about the F8 push? | 11:18 |
| danielsmw | the f8 push to xml? | 11:18 |
| * quaid is now off topic :) | 11:19 | |
| quaid | danielsmw: no, just to a specific wiki place | 11:19 |
| danielsmw | quaid: i hadn't though of it, but that can be done. i saw that on the list. we'll just move it to a subdirector called F8-User-Guide or something | 11:19 |
| danielsmw | quaid: i'm pretty busy this week, but I can do that first half of next week | 11:19 |
| quaid | danielsmw: sure, that works; I can work with you on a good wiki name and such forth | 11:20 |
| danielsmw | quaid: its settled then, see you next week. | 11:21 |
| quaid | Sparks: what is the hackfest page url? | 11:22 |
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| quaid | anything more on this topic? | 11:23 |
| Sparks | DocsProject/Holiday_Virtual_Hackfest | 11:23 |
| quaid | ACTION: quaid to work with everyone on page naming by 17 Dec | 11:23 |
| quaid | ACTION: helping docs worked on during virt hackfest | 11:24 |
| quaid | Sparks: I'm moving the 'deadline' on that to 23 Dec, so that is the day for us to have things all finalized before the following weekend comes | 11:25 |
| Sparks | works for me | 11:26 |
| * quaid living in his Judeo-Christian country will also be distracted from 23 to 26ish | 11:26 | |
| * Sparks considers renaming the page to something more... appropriate | 11:26 | |
| quaid | heh | 11:26 |
| quaid | Docs_Project_holiday_virtual_hackfest? | 11:26 |
| jjmcd | Something like Docs/Hackfest/Holiday/2008/Virtual ? | 11:27 |
| Sparks | Yeah, what jjmcd said. | 11:27 |
| Sparks | :) | 11:27 |
| * quaid kicks jjmcd under the table | 11:27 | |
| jjmcd | ow | 11:27 |
| quaid | heh, oh dear | 11:27 |
| -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs mtg - F11 planning | 11:28 | |
| quaid | for example ... | 11:28 |
| -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs mtg - F11 planning :: CMS | 11:28 | |
| quaid | jsmith: so you are looking for a CMS that has XML on the backend with CMS wysiwyg editing? | 11:28 |
| jsmith | quaid: Yes, in a nutshell | 11:30 |
| quaid | I'm looking for collaborators | 11:30 |
| quaid | to help find a solution | 11:30 |
| quaid | so this is where we have some crossover, maybe ... | 11:30 |
| jsmith | I'm happy to share what I've found. | 11:30 |
| quaid | let | 11:31 |
| quaid | let's gather stuff on CMS_solution_for_Fedora_Project_websites | 11:31 |
| jjmcd | Are the objectives documented somewhere | 11:32 |
| * quaid adding another section at the end | 11:32 | |
| quaid | jjmcd: I think that page does it | 11:32 |
| * quaid also updates schedule section | 11:32 | |
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| quaid | laubersm: discussing # Tweak through F10 release | 11:35 |
| quaid | # After F10, migrate www. to tweaked solution | 11:35 |
| quaid | wooks | 11:35 |
| quaid | woops, even! | 11:35 |
| quaid | let's gather stuff on CMS_solution_for_Fedora_Project_websites | 11:35 |
| * quaid now adding a fourth section for list of possible CMS solutions | 11:35 | |
| ke4qqq | are we going to adjust the schedule along with that? | 11:36 |
| quaid | jsmith: as you see, we didn't really have Docbook as an high ideal, low expectations there basically | 11:36 |
| quaid | jsmith: we tried to hack that in to Plone with zero real success | 11:36 |
| jsmith | RIght | 11:36 |
| quaid | ke4qqq: I did somewhat, reload the page | 11:36 |
| quaid | and then tell me what you think about it :) | 11:36 |
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| ke4qqq | ok - that at least seems more within the realm of the possible. | 11:37 |
| quaid | :D | 11:38 |
| quaid | the thing is ... | 11:38 |
| quaid | I'd LOVE to train people on using it on Sat. of the fudcon varcamp | 11:38 |
| quaid | and it's a fair hackfest to do on Friday, when websites and infra are there to help us solve problems | 11:38 |
| quaid | so we could go live with a working yet work to do instance that day | 11:38 |
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| quaid | all right, I guess more list discussion is in order :) | 11:42 |
| -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs mtg :: Task table Docs_Project_admin_tasks_for_experienced_contributors#Task_table | 11:42 | |
| quaid | it's updated to this meeting so far | 11:43 |
| quaid | toolchain next steps is going to be part of the virt hackfest, I reckon | 11:43 |
| quaid | how about publican migration? | 11:44 |
| quaid | are we trying to load too much in to those days? | 11:44 |
| quaid | by we, I mean me, of course :) | 11:44 |
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| ke4qqq | I don't know - whats the level of effort/time for publican migration | 11:45 |
| Sparks | Well... The Security Guide (in some form) has been changed to XML. | 11:45 |
| quaid | ke4qqq: ok, so let's talk about the Installation Guide as an example | 11:46 |
| quaid | here is the rough overview: | 11:46 |
| quaid | * XML files need to be renamed | 11:46 |
| quaid | * Some sections need renaming | 11:46 |
| quaid | * Small amount of XML fixes possible | 11:46 |
| quaid | * Some new files need creating (small) | 11:46 |
| quaid | that's probably it | 11:47 |
| quaid | the release notes are already using the Properly_named.xml style | 11:47 |
| quaid | so that one would be easier; I was Publican-proofing this time :) | 11:47 |
| ke4qqq | Is there documentation on migrating - everything I have seen on publican is starting from scratch | 11:47 |
| quaid | ke4qqq: exactly, there is not | 11:47 |
| quaid | so we want to self-doc, too | 11:47 |
| ke4qqq | that sounds like a half day worth of work easy | 11:47 |
| quaid | yes, that's about my estimate | 11:47 |
| ke4qqq | more if we have to document along the way | 11:47 |
| quaid | we do have the option of pushing this closer to F11, or doing it as a hackfest onsite at FUDCon | 11:48 |
| ke4qqq | I'd rather us take a simple doc and do it to write the documentation | 11:49 |
| ke4qqq | and maybe do the rest as a hackfest or as we have time | 11:49 |
| quaid | do we have a simple doc that would work with? | 11:49 |
| stickster | Guys, I'm sorry I've been quiet meeting wise, I just got off a phone call | 11:49 |
| quaid | np | 11:49 |
| quaid | and now you have to jet! | 11:50 |
| stickster | I know, it sucks :-( | 11:50 |
| ke4qqq | I don't know - IG may be the simple doc | 11:50 |
| * stickster 's whole week has gone this way | 11:50 | |
| laubersm | ke4qqq: +1 on last - simple one and document now; rest later and expand documentation if needed | 11:50 |
| quaid | welll, it helps Publican overall, since other people would want to migrate | 11:50 |
| jsmith | stickster: Mine too! | 11:50 |
| quaid | ok, let's set the virtual hackfest goal | 11:50 |
| ke4qqq | yeah mine has been the same way stickster - something evil this week. | 11:50 |
| quaid | to be to write a migration doc and *start* migrating $something | 11:51 |
| * Sparks moves that idea to the wiki | 11:52 | |
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| quaid | ok, next task table item | 11:53 |
| quaid | is the team per document | 11:53 |
| quaid | I'll write an email on that to the list right now, since the early deadline is approaching | 11:53 |
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| ke4qqq | we have a struggle there that I don't know that we've even identified a lead for every document yet have we? | 11:55 |
| quaid | yep | 11:55 |
| quaid | that's part of it, the task | 11:55 |
| quaid | is a bit unclear there | 11:55 |
| quaid | it's lead *and* team, but lead is key IMO to keeping it alive | 11:55 |
| quaid | if no one person is willing to try to get a team ... | 11:55 |
| ke4qqq | I agree | 11:55 |
| quaid | also, lead != all is good, since no one person should have to do it her/his self | 11:56 |
| ke4qqq | right | 11:56 |
| ke4qqq | and refresh my memory - was the thought that we'd drop a document if it had no lead? | 11:57 |
| quaid | yeah | 11:57 |
| quaid | since a team without a lead here is too problematic | 11:57 |
| jjmcd | Where is the list of docs and current (if any) leads? | 11:57 |
| quaid | if folks want to act as a collective and can put together a plan that will work, that's probably OK | 11:57 |
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| quaid | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_content_tasks_for_experienced_contributors | 11:57 |
| ke4qqq | so you are still listed on a ton of documents quaid, which of those are you really the lead for? | 11:58 |
| quaid | I'll remove myself | 11:59 |
| quaid | none, really | 11:59 |
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| quaid | that is ... I did that with the standard "guy in charge takes on all that no one else is doing" | 11:59 |
| quaid | so I can do that later if we think it's worthy, but I'm not really supposed to be taking on *more* Docs work :) | 11:59 |
| ke4qqq | thats what I thought - I think we need to strip your name from them - otherwise people will assume you have it covered :) | 12:00 |
| * quaid strips | 12:00 | |
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| Sparks | yikes | 12:03 |
| quaid | sorry, crazy | 12:06 |
| quaid | actually my mouse was working, but full desktop lock | 12:06 |
| quaid | ok, time to close the meeting here | 12:06 |
| * quaid figures FAMSCo coming in? | 12:06 | |
| quaid | head back to #fedora-docs to finish up discussions | 12:07 |
| quaid | </meeting> | 12:07 |
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