Meeting:IRC Support SIG 2009-02-12

| |- id="tFeb 12 09:30:53" | colspan="2" | ---nirik has changed the topic to: IRC Support SIG meeting - init process || Feb 12 09:30 |- id="tFeb 12 09:31:06" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | who all is here for the irc support sig meeting? || Feb 12 09:31 |- id="tFeb 12 09:31:10" ! style="background-color: #42427e" | Southern_Gentlem | style="color: #42427e" | +1 || Feb 12 09:31 |- id="tFeb 12 09:31:16" ! style="background-color: #42427e" | Southern_Gentlem | style="color: #42427e" | for a change || Feb 12 09:31 |- id="tFeb 12 09:31:34" | colspan="2" | -->rjune (n=rjune@oh-67-77-28-140.sta.embarqhsd.net) has joined #fedora-meeting || Feb 12 09:31 |- id="tFeb 12 09:31:35" | colspan="2" | *linuxguru is here || Feb 12 09:31 |- id="tFeb 12 09:31:50" ! style="background-color: #818144" | rjune | style="color: #818144" | I'm here. but do I matter? || Feb 12 09:31 |- id="tFeb 12 09:32:18" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | everybody matters. ;) || Feb 12 09:32 |- id="tFeb 12 09:32:43" | colspan="2" | *nirik waits a bit for more folks. || Feb 12 09:32 |- id="tFeb 12 09:32:45" | colspan="2" | -->vwbusguy (n=scott@fedora/vwbusguy) has joined #Fedora-meeting || Feb 12 09:32 |- id="tFeb 12 09:33:03" | colspan="2" | -->Parafeed (n=clive@abbey1.objectsoft-systems.ltd.uk) has joined #fedora-meeting || Feb 12 09:33 |- id="tFeb 12 09:33:16" | colspan="2" | *vwbusguy rings a bell. || Feb 12 09:33 |- id="tFeb 12 09:33:22" | colspan="2" | *rdieter lurks || Feb 12 09:33 |- id="tFeb 12 09:33:56" ! style="background-color: #854685" | McGiwer | style="color: #854685" | hi || Feb 12 09:33 |- id="tFeb 12 09:33:58" ! style="background-color: #854685" | McGiwer | style="color: #854685" | PawelSadowski || Feb 12 09:33 |- id="tFeb 12 09:34:03" | colspan="2" | -->bronx (i=[U2FsdGV@pallas.utanet.fi) has joined #fedora-meeting || Feb 12 09:34 |- id="tFeb 12 09:34:31" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | ok, I guess we should get started. I don't have all that much on the agenda today... || Feb 12 09:34 |- id="tFeb 12 09:34:38" | colspan="2" | ---nirik has changed the topic to: IRC Support SIG meeting - Classes || Feb 12 09:34 |- id="tFeb 12 09:34:55" | colspan="2" | -->mj0vy (n=mj0vy@lavinci.rad1.global-bd.net) has joined #fedora-meeting || Feb 12 09:34 |- id="tFeb 12 09:34:58" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | we had some classes last weekend... hard to tell how good attendence was. ;) || Feb 12 09:34 |- id="tFeb 12 09:35:14" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | always looking for folks to teach, the next set of classes is in march. || Feb 12 09:35 |- id="tFeb 12 09:35:38" ! style="background-color: #42427e" | Southern_Gentlem | style="color: #42427e" | looking at my schedule i will look at possible june || Feb 12 09:35 |- id="tFeb 12 09:35:46" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | anyone have any questions or comments on classes? || Feb 12 09:35 |- id="tFeb 12 09:35:52" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | Southern_Gentlem: cool. :) || Feb 12 09:35 |- id="tFeb 12 09:36:20" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | ok, moving along... || Feb 12 09:36 |- id="tFeb 12 09:36:30" | colspan="2" | ---nirik has changed the topic to: IRC Support SIG meeting - State of the channel || Feb 12 09:36 |- id="tFeb 12 09:36:34" ! style="background-color: #42427e" | Southern_Gentlem | style="color: #42427e" | possible a jigdo class or maybe a pyjigdo || Feb 12 09:36 |- id="tFeb 12 09:36:55" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | how do folks think we are doing currently? better? worse? is there anything we can do to improve? || Feb 12 09:36 |- id="tFeb 12 09:37:22" ! style="background-color: #818144" | rjune | style="color: #818144" | When are the classess chedule || Feb 12 09:37 |- id="tFeb 12 09:37:22" ! style="background-color: #42427e" | Southern_Gentlem | style="color: #42427e" | all in all i think the channel is in fairly good shape || Feb 12 09:37 |- id="tFeb 12 09:37:28" ! style="background-color: #818144" | rjune | style="color: #818144" | doh, sorry. || Feb 12 09:37 |- id="tFeb 12 09:37:41" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | rjune: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom || Feb 12 09:37 |- id="tFeb 12 09:38:09" ! style="background-color: #488888" | linuxguru | style="color: #488888" | have been few days since i came back and it seems to be going great. probably much better then when i left. || Feb 12 09:38 |- id="tFeb 12 09:38:32" | colspan="2" | -->Nirmal (n=npathak@nat/redhat-in/x-976a05d292f8a8d5) has joined #fedora-meeting || Feb 12 09:38 |- id="tFeb 12 09:38:51" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | I think it's been going much as it has for a while... not sure what to do to improve things anymore though. ;) || Feb 12 09:38 |- id="tFeb 12 09:39:15" | colspan="2" | <--pingou has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) || Feb 12 09:39 |- id="tFeb 12 09:39:15" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | linuxguru: just out of curiosity, why did you leave and why did you come back? anything related to the channel? or just outside time/other issues? || Feb 12 09:39 |- id="tFeb 12 09:39:32" ! style="background-color: #488888" | linuxguru | style="color: #488888" | nirik, lack of internet and time actually. || Feb 12 09:39 |- id="tFeb 12 09:39:48" ! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | inode0 | style="color: #8c4a4a" | nirik: no one has come to #rhel complaining in a long time - so I think things are better || Feb 12 09:39 |- id="tFeb 12 09:39:49" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | ok, no worries. :) Welcome back. || Feb 12 09:39 |- id="tFeb 12 09:40:02" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | inode0: did that used to happen? || Feb 12 09:40 |- id="tFeb 12 09:40:05" ! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | inode0 | style="color: #8c4a4a" | yes || Feb 12 09:40 |- id="tFeb 12 09:40:20" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | interesting. ok. || Feb 12 09:40 |- id="tFeb 12 09:40:20" ! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | inode0 | style="color: #8c4a4a" | still happens from #centos || Feb 12 09:40 |- id="tFeb 12 09:40:27" | colspan="2" | *nirik nods. || Feb 12 09:40 |- id="tFeb 12 09:40:42" ! style="background-color: #42427e" | Southern_Gentlem | style="color: #42427e" | i am afraid that the IQ level in the channel has dropped again || Feb 12 09:40 |- id="tFeb 12 09:41:10" ! style="background-color: #42427e" | Southern_Gentlem | style="color: #42427e" | which tells me we are getting new people || Feb 12 09:41 |- id="tFeb 12 09:41:16" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | right now the best thing I can think of to improve things is get more folks who know things involved in helping... but thats always hard to do as everyone is busy. || Feb 12 09:41 |- id="tFeb 12 09:42:07" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | I did notice a rise of 'I used $otherbrowndistro and am switching to fedora, how do I...' in the last few weeks. No idea what would have caused it though. || Feb 12 09:42 |- id="tFeb 12 09:42:11" ! style="background-color: #42427e" | Southern_Gentlem | style="color: #42427e" | inode0, because they are running centos or EOL? || Feb 12 09:42 |- id="tFeb 12 09:42:46" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | anyhow, any feedback or ideas on improving things are always welcome. || Feb 12 09:42 |- id="tFeb 12 09:44:14" | colspan="2" | ---nirik has changed the topic to: IRC Support SIG meeting - Open Floor || Feb 12 09:44 |- id="tFeb 12 09:44:32" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | anyone have anything else they would like to bring up? || Feb 12 09:44 |- id="tFeb 12 09:45:00" | colspan="2" | <--jds2001_ has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) || Feb 12 09:45 |- id="tFeb 12 09:45:08" ! style="background-color: #488888" | linuxguru | style="color: #488888" | oh. is the ati binary driver issue resolved with f10? || Feb 12 09:45 |- id="tFeb 12 09:45:11" | colspan="2" | -->jds2001_ (n=jstanley@palladium.jds2001.org) has joined #fedora-meeting || Feb 12 09:45 |- id="tFeb 12 09:45:39" ! style="background-color: #4b904b" | jwb | style="color: #4b904b" | we don't know and can't do anything about it || Feb 12 09:45 |- id="tFeb 12 09:45:39" ! style="background-color: #42427e" | Southern_Gentlem | style="color: #42427e" | Fedora Unity is looking for PPC testers for the new F10 re-spin || Feb 12 09:45 |- id="tFeb 12 09:46:05" ! style="background-color: #42427e" | Southern_Gentlem | style="color: #42427e" | linuxguru, newer issue or just an issue || Feb 12 09:46 |- id="tFeb 12 09:46:07" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | linuxguru: 'issue'? || Feb 12 09:46 |- id="tFeb 12 09:46:40" ! style="background-color: #42427e" | Southern_Gentlem | style="color: #42427e" | i know that rpmfusion has kmod-fglrx for f10 || Feb 12 09:46 |- id="tFeb 12 09:46:45" | colspan="2" | *nirik might be able to reinstall his ppc box... as long as rawhide is installable so he can go back. || Feb 12 09:46 |- id="tFeb 12 09:47:15" ! style="background-color: #488888" | linuxguru | style="color: #488888" | okay || Feb 12 09:47 |- id="tFeb 12 09:47:19" | colspan="2" | <--iarlyy has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) || Feb 12 09:47 |- id="tFeb 12 09:48:02" ! style="background-color: #488888" | linuxguru | style="color: #488888" | well it's a ati problem i know. might be that i didn't correctly phrased it || Feb 12 09:48 |- id="tFeb 12 09:48:09" ! style="background-color: #42427e" | Southern_Gentlem | style="color: #42427e" | linuxguru, mobile 9800 i think may be flacky but thomasj would be the person to talk to || Feb 12 09:48 |- id="tFeb 12 09:48:45" | colspan="2" | *Southern_Gentlem trys to stay out of ati and sound issues || Feb 12 09:48 |- id="tFeb 12 09:49:05" ! style="background-color: #488888" | linuxguru | style="color: #488888" | and one more thing are the classes target for only beginners ? || Feb 12 09:49 |- id="tFeb 12 09:49:15" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | linuxguru: no, they can be any level... || Feb 12 09:49 |- id="tFeb 12 09:49:23" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | whatever people are willing to teach. || Feb 12 09:49 |- id="tFeb 12 09:49:35" ! style="background-color: #42427e" | Southern_Gentlem | style="color: #42427e" | targeted at whatever level the instructor wants to set it at || Feb 12 09:49 |- id="tFeb 12 09:49:41" | colspan="2" | <--mcepl (n=mcepl@49-117-207-85.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz) has left #fedora-meeting || Feb 12 09:49 |- id="tFeb 12 09:49:52" | colspan="2" | -->foolish (n=foolish@fedora/foolish) has joined #fedora-meeting || Feb 12 09:49 |- id="tFeb 12 09:50:15" ! style="background-color: #488888" | linuxguru | style="color: #488888" | march 8 sounds a good date for me. semester exams end by that time. || Feb 12 09:50 |- id="tFeb 12 09:50:26" ! style="background-color: #488888" | linuxguru | style="color: #488888" | i might be interested in taking a intermediate selinux class. || Feb 12 09:50 |- id="tFeb 12 09:50:28" ! style="background-color: #42427e" | Southern_Gentlem | style="color: #42427e" | especially if there has been a beginners level i hope someone will do the next steps || Feb 12 09:50 |- id="tFeb 12 09:50:34" ! style="background-color: #488888" | linuxguru | style="color: #488888" | when is the last date to register a class || Feb 12 09:50 |- id="tFeb 12 09:50:51" ! style="background-color: #42427e" | Southern_Gentlem | style="color: #42427e" | to take the class you show up || Feb 12 09:50 |- id="tFeb 12 09:50:52" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | taking? or teaching? :) || Feb 12 09:50 |- id="tFeb 12 09:51:02" ! style="background-color: #488888" | linuxguru | style="color: #488888" | oh. teaching i mean. || Feb 12 09:51 |- id="tFeb 12 09:51:16" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | for teaching it would be good to get it signed up at least a week before, so we have time to advertise the classes. || Feb 12 09:51 |- id="tFeb 12 09:51:40" | colspan="2" | -->thomasj (n=thomasj@fedora/thomasj) has joined #fedora-meeting || Feb 12 09:51 |- id="tFeb 12 09:51:56" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | I'd love to get the next classes table filled up sooner than that. || Feb 12 09:51 |- id="tFeb 12 09:52:03" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | it's been hard to find teachers though. ;( || Feb 12 09:52 |- id="tFeb 12 09:52:19" | colspan="2" | *herlo agrees || Feb 12 09:52 |- id="tFeb 12 09:52:45" ! style="background-color: #488888" | linuxguru | style="color: #488888" | teaching is a hard job. i helped 3 people pass the selinux policy exam but it was very demanding || Feb 12 09:52 |- id="tFeb 12 09:52:54" | colspan="2" | -->alexxed (n=alex@dyn-85.186.119.28.tm.upcnet.ro) has joined #fedora-meeting || Feb 12 09:52 |- id="tFeb 12 09:53:12" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | classes are 1 hour, so you can't get too deep into a subject, unless you do a series or something. || Feb 12 09:53 |- id="tFeb 12 09:53:19" | colspan="2" | -->MrHappy (n=MrHappy@host86-142-1-85.range86-142.btcentralplus.com) has joined #fedora-meeting || Feb 12 09:53 |- id="tFeb 12 09:53:33" ! style="background-color: #42427e" | Southern_Gentlem | style="color: #42427e" | more series the better || Feb 12 09:53 |- id="tFeb 12 09:53:48" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | although the classroom channel is open 24x7, so you could always schedule a longer class for some other time. || Feb 12 09:53 |- id="tFeb 12 09:53:49" ! style="background-color: #488888" | linuxguru | style="color: #488888" | i think continuing from where herlo left will be a great idea. || Feb 12 09:53 |- id="tFeb 12 09:55:19" ! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | vwbusguy | style="color: #4d4d93" | inode0, at least one person complains about #Fedora in #RHEL. But I don't think that person can be helped about that right now. || Feb 12 09:55 |- id="tFeb 12 09:55:24" ! style="background-color: #42427e" | Southern_Gentlem | style="color: #42427e" | welcome thomasj || Feb 12 09:55 |- id="tFeb 12 09:55:39" ! style="background-color: #97974f" | thomasj | style="color: #97974f" | Thanks || Feb 12 09:55 |- id="tFeb 12 09:55:48" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | another suggestion I got the other day was to do a series on a project... start from design, coding, testing, packaging for fedora, reviewing, updating, etc. || Feb 12 09:55 |- id="tFeb 12 09:56:00" | colspan="2" | *thomasj missed the meeting again.. sorry.. || Feb 12 09:56 |- id="tFeb 12 09:56:02" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | ie, from start to finish show how the entire process goes. || Feb 12 09:56 |- id="tFeb 12 09:56:04" ! style="background-color: #42427e" | Southern_Gentlem | style="color: #42427e" | nirik i agree || Feb 12 09:56 |- id="tFeb 12 09:56:19" ! style="background-color: #42427e" | Southern_Gentlem | style="color: #42427e" | thomasj, nope you made it || Feb 12 09:56 |- id="tFeb 12 09:56:20" | colspan="2" | *nirik would love to see that, but it needs people to drive it forward. ;) || Feb 12 09:56 |- id="tFeb 12 09:56:31" | colspan="2" | <--fab has quit ("Leaving") || Feb 12 09:56 |- id="tFeb 12 09:56:38" ! style="background-color: #97974f" | thomasj | style="color: #97974f" | Southern_Gentlem, true, but late || Feb 12 09:56 |- id="tFeb 12 09:56:41" ! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | vwbusguy | style="color: #4d4d93" | as far as EOL thing. I think it is a good policy so far to tell them to upgrade / offer assistance with upgrading / pointing them to CentOS and then if they keep pushing it send them to #Fedora-EOL. I think that has been working || Feb 12 09:56 |- id="tFeb 12 09:56:41" ! style="background-color: #488888" | linuxguru | style="color: #488888" | nirik, you mean to practically starting a project || Feb 12 09:56 |- id="tFeb 12 09:56:45" | colspan="2" | -->mbacovsk__ (n=mbacovsk@nat/redhat/x-3b0926f4384adddf) has joined #fedora-meeting || Feb 12 09:56 |- id="tFeb 12 09:56:49" ! style="background-color: #488888" | linuxguru | style="color: #488888" | say* || Feb 12 09:56 |- id="tFeb 12 09:56:52" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | linuxguru: yes. || Feb 12 09:56 |- id="tFeb 12 09:57:15" ! style="background-color: #488888" | linuxguru | style="color: #488888" | that will really be nice. but it involves so many things. || Feb 12 09:57 |- id="tFeb 12 09:57:33" ! style="background-color: #9b519b" | mj0vy | style="color: #9b519b" | We should direct issues on generic topics like Grub/LVM/Filesystem to #fedora-eol if they are running EOL Fedora or take it on #fedora itself? || Feb 12 09:57 |- id="tFeb 12 09:57:34" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | yeah, it would. It would be pretty cool though as a series of classes. || Feb 12 09:57 |- id="tFeb 12 09:57:35" | colspan="2" | -->giallu (n=giallu@88-149-141-157.dynamic.ngi.it) has joined #fedora-meeting || Feb 12 09:57 |- id="tFeb 12 09:58:02" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | mj0vy: you're welcome to help if you know the answer, but suggest they upgrade or go to eol if they need more help. || Feb 12 09:58 |- id="tFeb 12 09:58:12" | colspan="2" | -->KC0WYC (n=rpjensen@fedora/bobjensen) has joined #Fedora-Meeting || Feb 12 09:58 |- id="tFeb 12 09:58:16" ! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | vwbusguy | style="color: #4d4d93" | mj0vy, somethings that seem general are complicated by variances in old releases || Feb 12 09:58 |- id="tFeb 12 09:58:21" | colspan="2" | -->EvilBob (n=EvilBob@fedora/bobjensen) has joined #Fedora-Meeting || Feb 12 09:58 |- id="tFeb 12 09:58:21" | colspan="2" | -->fbijlsma (n=fbijlsma@p54B2C22A.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #fedora-meeting || Feb 12 09:58 |- id="tFeb 12 09:58:41" | colspan="2" | -->KageSenshi (n=kagesens@fedora/KageSenshi) has joined #fedora-meeting || Feb 12 09:58 |- id="tFeb 12 09:58:51" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | yeah, even things you think you know may well have been different in a very old release. || Feb 12 09:58 |- id="tFeb 12 09:58:55" ! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | vwbusguy | style="color: #4d4d93" | I'm personally of the opinion that if someone wants to help them AND they are not distracting current version users, that it's not a problem in #Fedora || Feb 12 09:58 |- id="tFeb 12 09:59:20" ! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | vwbusguy | style="color: #4d4d93" | it's also not a problem in #Fedora for them to be continuously advised to upgrade / migrate || Feb 12 09:59 |- id="tFeb 12 09:59:34" ! style="background-color: #488888" | linuxguru | style="color: #488888" | i think its better that way yes. if traffic is low you can accommodate eol users in #fedora itself || Feb 12 09:59 |- id="tFeb 12 09:59:48" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | right, which they will be. :) I'm happy to tell them to upgrade, and point them at eol. ;) || Feb 12 09:59 |- id="tFeb 12 10:00:21" ! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | vwbusguy | style="color: #4d4d93" | ok, I have to go to an appointment || Feb 12 10:00 |- id="tFeb 12 10:00:26" ! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | vwbusguy | style="color: #4d4d93" | later || Feb 12 10:00 |- id="tFeb 12 10:00:30" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | have fun vwbusguy || Feb 12 10:00 |- id="tFeb 12 10:00:34" | colspan="2" | *vwbusguy & || Feb 12 10:00 |- id="tFeb 12 10:00:40" ! style="background-color: #488888" | linuxguru | style="color: #488888" | laterz vwbusguy || Feb 12 10:00 |- id="tFeb 12 10:00:41" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | ok, anything further today? or shall we wrap up? || Feb 12 10:00 |- id="tFeb 12 10:01:26" | colspan="2" | *linuxguru wishes everyone a very happy valentine day. enjoy || Feb 12 10:01 |- id="tFeb 12 10:01:35" | colspan="2" | *nirik will close the meeting in a few if nothing else comes up. || Feb 12 10:01 |- id="tFeb 12 10:01:36" | colspan="2" | <--mj0vy (n=mj0vy@lavinci.rad1.global-bd.net) has left #fedora-meeting || Feb 12 10:01 |- id="tFeb 12 10:02:06" | colspan="2" | -->DemonJester (n=DemonJes@fedora/DemonJester) has joined #fedora-meeting || Feb 12 10:02 |- id="tFeb 12 10:02:13" | colspan="2" | ---nirik has changed the topic to: Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel for meeting schedule || Feb 12 10:02 |- id="tFeb 12 10:02:18" ! style="background-color: #407a40" | nirik | style="color: #407a40" | thanks for coming everyone. || Feb 12 10:02 |}

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