Meeting:IRC Support SIG 2009-04-30

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nirik	who all is here for the meeting?	Apr 30 09:30
*thomasj		Apr 30 09:30
*linuxguru is here		Apr 30 09:31
*zcat		Apr 30 09:31
*fenris02		Apr 30 09:31
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nirik	ok, I guess we can get started...	Apr 30 09:32
---nirik has changed the topic to: IRC Support SIG meeting - Meeting time		Apr 30 09:32
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nirik	It was pointed out that we just moved with DST... is this time still good with everyone? Or should we shift an hour?	Apr 30 09:33
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*nirik is fine with now, or an hour from now most days.		Apr 30 09:33
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linuxguru	shifting an hour will be good for me.	Apr 30 09:34
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nirik	linuxguru: +1 hour or -1 hour?	Apr 30 09:34
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linuxguru	+1 nirik	Apr 30 09:34
nirik	thats fine with me... anyone else?	Apr 30 09:34
linuxguru	its 9:03 pm here right now.	Apr 30 09:34
*thomasj is fine with both		Apr 30 09:34
linuxguru	and i am mostly free at 10pm.	Apr 30 09:34
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nirik	ok. Would be good to hear from more folks before moving, but then some of them might not be here now. ;)	Apr 30 09:35
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nirik	How about I try and poll folks over the next week as I see them and we move/don't move next week based on feedback from more people/	Apr 30 09:36
fenris02	either works equally well for me. (thu not being an ideal day)	Apr 30 09:36
zcat	toss up here. 10:30 or 11:30. ... 15:30 UTC	Apr 30 09:36
nirik	Southern_Gentlem / Sonar_Guy ?	Apr 30 09:37
thomasj	We just need to fix the 16:30 to 15:30 utc in -ops /topic for now. Confused me the last time :)	Apr 30 09:37
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nirik	thomasj: or just move to 16:30. ;)	Apr 30 09:37
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thomasj	heh, or that :D	Apr 30 09:37
fenris02	oh, so my cal was correct afterall? good to know	Apr 30 09:38
nirik	it sounds like most people are fine either way, but linuxguru would be happy with +1.	Apr 30 09:38
nirik	shall we try and just move next week and see how it works out?	Apr 30 09:38
thomasj	fenris02, yep	Apr 30 09:38
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thomasj	nirik, +1	Apr 30 09:38
linuxguru	nirik, +1	Apr 30 09:38
nirik	ok, lets give that a go then.	Apr 30 09:39
nirik	anything more on meeting time, or shall we move on?	Apr 30 09:39
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linuxguru	move++	Apr 30 09:39
---nirik has changed the topic to: IRC Support SIG meeting - Classroom this weekend		Apr 30 09:39
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nirik	typical plug for classroom sessions this weekend... on saturday.	Apr 30 09:40
zcat	isn't class closed on account of the baconlung? :)	Apr 30 09:40
nirik	We are doing things a bit different this time. Basically the sessions can be any time saturday.	Apr 30 09:40
nirik	sign up for whatever time works for you for teaching. ;)	Apr 30 09:40
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icarus-c	nirik: that sounds cool	Apr 30 09:41
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nirik	Classroom	Apr 30 09:41
nirik	well, I guess 2nd and 3rd... either day.	Apr 30 09:41
nirik	anyhow, if anyone wants to teach something, please sign up.	Apr 30 09:42
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---nirik has changed the topic to: IRC Support SIG meeting - root irc users redirect		Apr 30 09:42
nirik	we are now redirect banning root irc users. They go to ##Dont-login-as-root.	Apr 30 09:43
nirik	this is a bit nicer than the normal ban before...	Apr 30 09:43
fenris02	auto redirect for ?=root@* ? works nicely	Apr 30 09:43
nirik	anyone have any objections to doing this instead of the regular ban?	Apr 30 09:43
linuxguru	it's great thing actually IMO.	Apr 30 09:44
thomasj	nope	Apr 30 09:44
zcat	aye. LjL pointed out you just have to append "!#channel" to the banmask to have users redirected on rejoin	Apr 30 09:44
zcat	might help for persistent trolls too. speshul bans.	Apr 30 09:44
thomasj	nope == no objections	Apr 30 09:44
thomasj	zcat, would be nice, but trolls tend to use different ip's all the time.. sadly..	Apr 30 09:45
nirik	ok, just wanted to note it and make sure no one saw any problem.	Apr 30 09:45
---nirik has changed the topic to: IRC Support SIG meeting - F11 prep		Apr 30 09:45
nirik	mether has been working up some nice pages on the wiki about the upcoming release we should all be aware of/point users at when they are ready.	Apr 30 09:46
nirik	Fedora_11_FAQ	Apr 30 09:46
nirik	Ext4_in_Fedora_11	Apr 30 09:46
nirik	and of course we have the always popular: Upgrading_from_pre-release_to_final	Apr 30 09:46
linuxguru	useful links , really.	Apr 30 09:47
nirik	I think we will start getting more questions on f11 as we get closer to release.	Apr 30 09:47
linuxguru	yeah.	Apr 30 09:48
thomasj	At what point should we start to support it? Final release-time or a bit earlier?	Apr 30 09:48
nirik	good question...	Apr 30 09:48
linuxguru	till now we are mostly re-directing traffic to #fedora-qa	Apr 30 09:48
*thomasj is impressed how good F11 is at this stage		Apr 30 09:48
nirik	I think it might be a gradual thing... as we get closer to release we can try and answer more of the basic questions, etc...	Apr 30 09:49
thomasj	And preupgrade worked the first time awesome here :D	Apr 30 09:49
nirik	or we could do the cut over when the new fedora-release package comes out saying it's f11.	Apr 30 09:49
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Southern_Gentlem	i think we leave it up to the ones in the channel helping if they can help after the RC is released then they can otherwise send to #fedora-qa	Apr 30 09:49
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nirik	sounds reasonable. If you know/would like to assist, go for it... otherwise point to qa.	Apr 30 09:50
thomasj	+1	Apr 30 09:50
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linuxguru	yeah , i agree.	Apr 30 09:51
Southern_Gentlem	+1	Apr 30 09:51
nirik	ok, anything else we can do to prep for f11?	Apr 30 09:51
thomasj	get some valium i guess	Apr 30 09:51
fenris02	there is one more release to go before final	Apr 30 09:52
Southern_Gentlem	i wont be here for release day	Apr 30 09:52
nirik	fenris02: well, rc's are not generally public... so not sure if there is any more releases before final	Apr 30 09:52
linuxguru	Southern_Gentlem, why?	Apr 30 09:52
fenris02	ok	Apr 30 09:52
linuxguru	Southern_Gentlem, i believe you usually not prefer release days instead wait till the first re-spin , things get pretty stabilize by then	Apr 30 09:52
Southern_Gentlem	linuxguru, I am a state officer in my lodge and we are having our statewide convention that week	Apr 30 09:52
Southern_Gentlem	linuxguru, ope i will not install untill unity does a respin	Apr 30 09:53
nirik	ok, shall we move on?	Apr 30 09:53
Southern_Gentlem	nope	Apr 30 09:53
Southern_Gentlem	please	Apr 30 09:53
linuxguru	heh , okay.	Apr 30 09:54
---nirik has changed the topic to: IRC Support SIG meeting - ops channel		Apr 30 09:54
nirik	so, did we ever decide any policy on the ops channel? who can idle there, etc? Or we just left it kinda open...	Apr 30 09:54
Southern_Gentlem	i am for keeping it open unless we need to have an "ops Court" situation	Apr 30 09:55
linuxguru	IMO not anyone should be idling in the ops channel	Apr 30 09:55
zcat	i think we left it at thomasj-is-still-the-bouncer	Apr 30 09:55
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*thomasj is the alien		Apr 30 09:55
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nirik	I personally don't care much... it's a bit rude to kick people who just want to see whats going on... but we don't want difficult people from the main channel hanging out (of course they could be kicked on a case by case basis)	Apr 30 09:56
zcat	i certainly won't kick anyone for idling there, but it would suck much more to have the channel invite only or password protected.	Apr 30 09:57
thomasj	Channel open is fine. Whats a reason to idle in there?	Apr 30 09:58
nirik	ok, how about we go to: anyone allowed, but if they cause issues, or if they are associated with an ip/nick that causes issues in #fedora they can be kicked/banned.	Apr 30 09:58
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zcat	http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml # options for fiddling with freenode channels. invite exemptions, etc.	Apr 30 09:59
nirik	thomasj: just to see what ops talk about?	Apr 30 09:59
*thomasj is still the alien and thinks -1		Apr 30 09:59
thomasj	nirik, not a reason for me :)	Apr 30 09:59
zcat	temporary visa++	Apr 30 09:59
linuxguru	i think if someone gets kicked or banned he can ask about it in -ops , or no?	Apr 30 10:00
thomasj	yes	Apr 30 10:00
nirik	thomasj: I can't see that it would be very interesting, but not sure why we should care if they want to watch	Apr 30 10:00
nirik	linuxguru: yep.	Apr 30 10:00
linuxguru	okay	Apr 30 10:01
nirik	anyone else want to chime in?	Apr 30 10:01
Southern_Gentlem	+1	Apr 30 10:01
thomasj	nirik, we get channel the full more and more.. But i see it more like if i go into the boss office and sit down and idle, just to see what they talk about.	Apr 30 10:01
thomasj	Boss office is maybe not the best metapher.	Apr 30 10:01
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thomasj	*the channel	Apr 30 10:02
linuxguru	taking it on case by case basis sounds reasonable to me. nirik	Apr 30 10:02
*thomasj should type slow		Apr 30 10:02
Southern_Gentlem	thomasj, my point is if we kick one person for parking we have to them all	Apr 30 10:03
thomasj	Southern_Gentlem, not to me, but i know what you mean.	Apr 30 10:03
Southern_Gentlem	at the moment we have 33 people in the channel if it gets over 50 we readdress this issue	Apr 30 10:03
thomasj	Southern_Gentlem, i would rather stop kicking people out, before we have to miss some of the non-ops.	Apr 30 10:03
linuxguru	Southern_Gentlem, or we can take it on case by case basis as suggested	Apr 30 10:04
nirik	case by case is fine, but the real question is what case is acceptable... 'I just want to idle here and see whats going on' is that acceptable?	Apr 30 10:04
thomasj	nirik, what is about a difference about "known" and "unknown" people? Like the one i kicked and banned lately. Hew was totally unknown and with a bad reason.	Apr 30 10:05
thomasj	*He	Apr 30 10:05
nirik	well, known by who? vouched for by someone? or ?	Apr 30 10:05
thomasj	nirik, at least known, by some of us?	Apr 30 10:05
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linuxguru	heh a regular on #fedora-social , #fedora maybe?	Apr 30 10:06
thomasj	like that	Apr 30 10:06
thomasj	Not a easy topic, just because of me..	Apr 30 10:07
nirik	hum... well, I could see that perhaps... but someone who is unknown to us all might be a nice person who isn't causing any problems, etc. ;)	Apr 30 10:07
linuxguru	maybe in that case we can discuss with him his intentions.	Apr 30 10:07
nirik	we could try it I suppose... just make it that they have at least one person willing to vouch for them.	Apr 30 10:08
linuxguru	and judge according to that and our wisdom	Apr 30 10:08
nirik	yeah.	Apr 30 10:08
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thomasj	one of us, to vouch for them	Apr 30 10:08
nirik	proposal: anyone is allowed as long as at least one op vouches for them.	Apr 30 10:08
linuxguru	+1	Apr 30 10:09
thomasj	alright	Apr 30 10:09
thomasj	That leaves at least the zombies out	Apr 30 10:09
zcat	+1 if it comes to that	Apr 30 10:09
thomasj	+1 for that	Apr 30 10:09
*nirik gets a nice container of brains to attract the zombies.		Apr 30 10:10
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Sonar_Guy	+0	Apr 30 10:10
Sonar_Guy	sorry for being late	Apr 30 10:10
linuxguru	hi Sonar_Guy	Apr 30 10:10
nirik	no worries. :) Perhaps an hour later will work better for you next week?	Apr 30 10:10
Sonar_Guy	Nah just had a meeting that ran 2 hours longer than expected.	Apr 30 10:11
nirik	ok, anything more on this topic? or have we beaten it to death yet?	Apr 30 10:11
thomasj	ouch	Apr 30 10:11
linuxguru	nirik, heh. move++ ;	Apr 30 10:11
---nirik has changed the topic to: IRC Support SIG meeting - stats		Apr 30 10:11
nirik	http://theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html	Apr 30 10:11
thomasj	Since you got me, i guess it's death now ;P	Apr 30 10:12
nirik	a bit busier this week.	Apr 30 10:12
nirik	rute was popular.	Apr 30 10:12
nirik	does anyone know if there is anything like a second edition/updated rute?	Apr 30 10:13
*linuxguru love stats		Apr 30 10:13
Southern_Gentlem	nirik, been looking for years it dont exist (at least as open source)	Apr 30 10:13
nirik	too bad. Someone should update it.	Apr 30 10:13
---nirik has changed the topic to: IRC Support SIG meeting - Open Floor		Apr 30 10:14
linuxguru	nirik, i guess we have a group in FAS?	Apr 30 10:14
nirik	anything anyone else would like to bring up? how have things been running?	Apr 30 10:14
nirik	linuxguru: yep. Well, for ops.	Apr 30 10:14
linuxguru	nirik, i am awaiting a approval :-)	Apr 30 10:14
nirik	oops. I thought I did that. let me fix that now.	Apr 30 10:15
nirik	linuxguru: whats your fas account name?	Apr 30 10:16
linuxguru	deepsa	Apr 30 10:16
linuxguru	.fasinfo deepsa	Apr 30 10:16
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zodbot	linuxguru: Approved Groups: cla_done fedorabugs cla_fedora	Apr 30 10:16
zodbot	linuxguru: Unapproved Groups: irc-support-operators	Apr 30 10:16
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nirik	got it.	Apr 30 10:16
nirik	ok, anything else for open floor? or shall we close out this week?	Apr 30 10:17
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*nirik will close the meeting in 30sec if no one speaks up		Apr 30 10:18
nirik	thanks for coming everyone. Remember meeting will be 1 hour later next week!	Apr 30 10:19
linuxguru	thanks nirik	Apr 30 10:19
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