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-!- wwoods changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora QA Meeting | init | <a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a> | |
wwoods | <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA</a> | <a href="#t10:04" class="time">10:04</a> |
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* mmcgrath wonders if this is related to the other outages going on. Investigating. | <a href="#t10:05" class="time">10:05</a> | |
* wwoods begins the log | <a href="#t10:06" class="time">10:06</a> | |
wwoods | okay. I don't have a big agenda to get through today | <a href="#t10:06" class="time">10:06</a> |
wwoods | I've been working on rewriting the QA pages on the wiki to help people get started in QA | <a href="#t10:06" class="time">10:06</a> |
wwoods | (unfortunately, no wiki right now, so you'll have to take my word for it) | <a href="#t10:07" class="time">10:07</a> |
f13 | I believe you | <a href="#t10:07" class="time">10:07</a> |
ricky | I got to it, just really slowly. | <a href="#t10:07" class="time">10:07</a> |
wwoods | I've also been talking with Len DiMaggio about QA plans for Fedora - he's got decades of experience in the industry with this stuff so it's good to see what he thinks of our efforts | <a href="#t10:08" class="time">10:08</a> |
wwoods | (<a href="http://swqetesting.blogspot.com/">http://swqetesting.blogspot.com/</a>) | <a href="#t10:08" class="time">10:08</a> |
wwoods | anyway, quick roll call: Lovechild, f13, mether, rdieter, nirik, mkanat: who's here? | <a href="#t10:09" class="time">10:09</a> |
mkanat | I am. | <a href="#t10:09" class="time">10:09</a> |
mether | I am | <a href="#t10:10" class="time">10:10</a> |
mkanat | Kind of randomly, really. :-) | <a href="#t10:10" class="time">10:10</a> |
wwoods | heh! | <a href="#t10:10" class="time">10:10</a> |
f13 | wwoods: wonk. | <a href="#t10:10" class="time">10:10</a> |
wwoods | Lovechild: I finally put links to the Fedora QA schedule on the QA page | <a href="#t10:10" class="time">10:10</a> |
wwoods | (see near the bottom, under Regular Meetings) | <a href="#t10:10" class="time">10:10</a> |
wwoods | in theory we had a Bug Day on Monday the 19th. did that happen? | <a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a> |
mether | no | <a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a> |
rdieter | here | <a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a> |
wwoods | mether: ah well | <a href="#t10:11" class="time">10:11</a> |
wwoods | Well. I have another one scheduled for Monday the 3rd | <a href="#t10:12" class="time">10:12</a> |
wwoods | (it's even on the calendar) | <a href="#t10:12" class="time">10:12</a> |
wwoods | I'd like to go through some new F8 bugs, but there's a lot. probably we should choose a couple of subsystems | <a href="#t10:12" class="time">10:12</a> |
wwoods | sound and kernel, for instance | <a href="#t10:12" class="time">10:12</a> |
wwoods | Anyway, I'll post to test-list after this about it | <a href="#t10:14" class="time">10:14</a> |
wwoods | anyone who has a suggestion for things to examine can speak up there | <a href="#t10:14" class="time">10:14</a> |
mether | is there important bugs filed against Fedora 8 that we should look at? | <a href="#t10:15" class="time">10:15</a> |
f13 | that requires triaging | <a href="#t10:16" class="time">10:16</a> |
wwoods | There's nothing I know of that's not on Bugs/F8Common | <a href="#t10:16" class="time">10:16</a> |
f13 | which is some of the point of bug days | <a href="#t10:16" class="time">10:16</a> |
mether | In a number of systems, it seems firstboot doesnt show up but I havent seen any specific bug reports on that for instance | <a href="#t10:16" class="time">10:16</a> |
wwoods | but.. yes, f13's got it | <a href="#t10:16" class="time">10:16</a> |
mkanat | mether: Yes, I filed the bug that's probably the source of most of that. | <a href="#t10:16" class="time">10:16</a> |
mether | mkanat: great. whats the bug number? | <a href="#t10:16" class="time">10:16</a> |
mkanat | mether: I'll go find it. | <a href="#t10:17" class="time">10:17</a> |
mether | I will add that to the common bugs list | <a href="#t10:17" class="time">10:17</a> |
* mkanat wishes bugzilla.redhat.com was new enough that buggbot could query it. | <a href="#t10:17" class="time">10:17</a> | |
rdieter | fwiw, I triaged a whole bunch of kde bugs on the 19th, resulting in closing a whole slew of ancient bugs, and marking many newer ones NEEDINFO. | <a href="#t10:18" class="time">10:18</a> |
mkanat | bug 364951 | <a href="#t10:18" class="time">10:18</a> |
buggbot | Bug <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=364951">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=364951</a> high, high, ---, Chris Lumens, ASSIGNED , firstboot doesn't start if network connection fails | <a href="#t10:18" class="time">10:18</a> |
wwoods | interesting | <a href="#t10:19" class="time">10:19</a> |
mether | i have seen atleast a dozen different posts | <a href="#t10:19" class="time">10:19</a> |
mether | and a few people in my office have hit this bug | <a href="#t10:19" class="time">10:19</a> |
mkanat | It's most likely that. | <a href="#t10:19" class="time">10:19</a> |
mether | very likely | <a href="#t10:20" class="time">10:20</a> |
mether | ironically, I spend more time in this release checking out how yum upgrade works and didnt test Anaconda much | <a href="#t10:20" class="time">10:20</a> |
mkanat | Heh. :-) | <a href="#t10:21" class="time">10:21</a> |
mkanat | Well, I have to say, yum upgrade worked really well for me, so... :-D | <a href="#t10:21" class="time">10:21</a> |
Lovechild | for what it's worth, here - I just zoned out for a bit | <a href="#t10:21" class="time">10:21</a> |
mether | mkanat: yes. I think it has worked pretty well this release | <a href="#t10:21" class="time">10:21</a> |
mether | wwoods: there was some discussions in fedora-devel list about testing anaconda | <a href="#t10:21" class="time">10:21</a> |
mether | wwoods: in the context of the upgrade problems (actually a yum issue) | <a href="#t10:22" class="time">10:22</a> |
mkanat | mether: Yeah. :-) | <a href="#t10:22" class="time">10:22</a> |
wwoods | mether: yeah, I saw that there was a discussion but didn't read it | <a href="#t10:22" class="time">10:22</a> |
Lovechild | I thought SNAKE was going to be our savior on anaconda issues | <a href="#t10:22" class="time">10:22</a> |
mether | Lovechild: it was Kate before. I dont know if SNAKE is any better | <a href="#t10:22" class="time">10:22</a> |
mether | has anyone worked with it? | <a href="#t10:22" class="time">10:22</a> |
wwoods | unfortunately snake only helps when we have good inputs | <a href="#t10:22" class="time">10:22</a> |
wwoods | like package lists | <a href="#t10:22" class="time">10:22</a> |
f13 | really what would help more than anything is getting more and more people to test upgrades during the development cycle. | <a href="#t10:23" class="time">10:23</a> |
wwoods | unless we knew in advance what package sets to try, we wouldn't have hit this | <a href="#t10:23" class="time">10:23</a> |
* poelcat is here | <a href="#t10:23" class="time">10:23</a> | |
f13 | if we had better utilities to say snapshot your system, attempt an upgrade, note failures, restore to old snapshot this would be much more compelling | <a href="#t10:23" class="time">10:23</a> |
f13 | We can do some of that with virt, but... | <a href="#t10:24" class="time">10:24</a> |
poelcat | mether: we attempted to have a bug day... a few people stopped by | <a href="#t10:24" class="time">10:24</a> |
mether | I think the release criteria should include testing without a network connection | <a href="#t10:24" class="time">10:24</a> |
f13 | the real value is in testing this stuff on people's day to day machines. | <a href="#t10:24" class="time">10:24</a> |
f13 | mether: feel free to add it. | <a href="#t10:24" class="time">10:24</a> |
wwoods | mether: that's reasonable. | <a href="#t10:24" class="time">10:24</a> |
mether | poelcat: yes we *attempted*. It didnt really happen | <a href="#t10:24" class="time">10:24</a> |
mether | not blaming anyone. it just didnt | <a href="#t10:24" class="time">10:24</a> |
Lovechild | f13: that sounds like a compelling idea, some kind of tool to build an image pre update would seem to be a good idea | <a href="#t10:24" class="time">10:24</a> |
f13 | Lovechild: we need such tools anyway, and the ability to restore to said image outside the system (shoudl the system become hosed) from like a rescue kit. | <a href="#t10:25" class="time">10:25</a> |
f13 | Lovechild: the OS X time machine stuff is extremely neat | <a href="#t10:25" class="time">10:25</a> |
Lovechild | f13: could we build it into the rescue cd, it would be a simple boot - the only problem is really restoring the system. | <a href="#t10:26" class="time">10:26</a> |
* wwoods bought a mac mini this week, didn't get Leopard on it (!@%!@##&) | <a href="#t10:26" class="time">10:26</a> | |
wwoods | there's vestigial snapshot/rollback support stuff in yum and rpm | <a href="#t10:27" class="time">10:27</a> |
f13 | wwoods: take it back! | <a href="#t10:27" class="time">10:27</a> |
Lovechild | so what we really need is a filesystem that natively supports that kind of snapshotting such as btrfs | <a href="#t10:27" class="time">10:27</a> |
f13 | wwoods: we want it outside rpm/yum | <a href="#t10:27" class="time">10:27</a> |
wwoods | f13: nah, I'll just give 'em $10 and make 'em send me a copy | <a href="#t10:27" class="time">10:27</a> |
f13 | wwoods: it needs to be general purpose so that it catches silly "I just deleted my home directory" stuff. | <a href="#t10:27" class="time">10:27</a> |
wwoods | and/or "borrow" a copy in the meantime | <a href="#t10:27" class="time">10:27</a> |
wwoods | f13: seriously? that's *our* problem? | <a href="#t10:27" class="time">10:27</a> |
f13 | Lovechild: LVM can easily do snapshots, regardless of file system. | <a href="#t10:27" class="time">10:27</a> |
f13 | wwoods: it's Fedora's problem. | <a href="#t10:27" class="time">10:27</a> |
Lovechild | f13: that's not silly, that's tragic.. think of all porn | <a href="#t10:28" class="time">10:28</a> |
f13 | wwoods: we seriously need something like time machine, or XP's snapshot system. | <a href="#t10:28" class="time">10:28</a> |
mether | Lovechild: that might take a year or two if we are relying on that specific filesystem. LVM's seems to be a better answer to me | <a href="#t10:28" class="time">10:28</a> |
f13 | Lovechild: there is a Feature for RescueKit, a greatly improved rescue image. | <a href="#t10:28" class="time">10:28</a> |
wwoods | yes, it's a need, but it's not a QA problem | <a href="#t10:28" class="time">10:28</a> |
f13 | wwoods: sure, it would just help make QA more compelling if one could reliably recover from a failed attempt | <a href="#t10:28" class="time">10:28</a> |
wwoods | oh absolutely | <a href="#t10:29" class="time">10:29</a> |
Lovechild | mether: lvm is appealing but it's definitely not without it's downfalls either the tools to use it are abominable | <a href="#t10:29" class="time">10:29</a> |
mether | f13: btw what happened to the idea of dropping the boot.iso and just using rescue iso images for everything? | <a href="#t10:29" class="time">10:29</a> |
mkanat | Even just doing, "Here's a list of packages installed, and then do this, and then try an upgrade" would probably work. | <a href="#t10:29" class="time">10:29</a> |
mether | Lovechild: idk. if you understand the concepts, the tools seem fairly logical to me | <a href="#t10:30" class="time">10:30</a> |
f13 | mether: that's in the Anaconda feature pages. | <a href="#t10:30" class="time">10:30</a> |
Lovechild | also lvm has some known performance issues on raid setups, cutting my throughput in half thanks to a bolt on solution | <a href="#t10:30" class="time">10:30</a> |
mether | anyway back to topic | <a href="#t10:30" class="time">10:30</a> |
mether | is there anything specific to discuss? | <a href="#t10:30" class="time">10:30</a> |
f13 | Lovechild: to be fair, system-config-lvm has improved over time. | <a href="#t10:30" class="time">10:30</a> |
wwoods | mkanat: right | <a href="#t10:30" class="time">10:30</a> |
Lovechild | mether: we are talking about a time machine like things here.. that actual users can operate, lvm is far to complex currently it needs serious sugar | <a href="#t10:30" class="time">10:30</a> |
f13 | bugzilla change is upcoming, I really think somebody needs to make more noise about this. | <a href="#t10:30" class="time">10:30</a> |
poelcat | f13 noise about what? | <a href="#t10:31" class="time">10:31</a> |
rdieter | oh? | <a href="#t10:31" class="time">10:31</a> |
wwoods | which bugzilla change? | <a href="#t10:31" class="time">10:31</a> |
mether | Lovechild: The Apple underlying technologies are similar too. If you think we need better gui's, I wont argue with that | <a href="#t10:31" class="time">10:31</a> |
f13 | wwoods: devel -> rawhide | <a href="#t10:32" class="time">10:32</a> |
f13 | and removing the test releases. | <a href="#t10:32" class="time">10:32</a> |
mether | Lovechild: any idea what was the live cd installation problem linux action show kept cribbing about ? | <a href="#t10:32" class="time">10:32</a> |
wwoods | f13: ah. yes. | <a href="#t10:32" class="time">10:32</a> |
f13 | mether: Apple also doesn't really give you much of a choice on using a filesystem that their tools wouldn't support. | <a href="#t10:32" class="time">10:32</a> |
wwoods | I'll make some noise on test-list | <a href="#t10:32" class="time">10:32</a> |
Lovechild | mether: I'm just saying before we have said tools in a shape users can operate and that integrates with the system. No users are realistically using it so defacto we don't have that capability | <a href="#t10:32" class="time">10:32</a> |
f13 | mether: We have far too many choices that makes trying to create easy to use tools a nightmare as they would only work part of the time. | <a href="#t10:32" class="time">10:32</a> |
mether | f13: I suggested long back to drop the rest of the filesystems we kind of allow | <a href="#t10:33" class="time">10:33</a> |
wwoods | f13: they used to let you install to UFS | <a href="#t10:34" class="time">10:34</a> |
Lovechild | mether: They didn't give enough information to actually triage the problem nor even exclude user error.. attempts to get more information is so far unsuccessful | <a href="#t10:34" class="time">10:34</a> |
wwoods | except if you did, it totally screwed your system | <a href="#t10:34" class="time">10:34</a> |
wwoods | ahh, 10.0 | <a href="#t10:34" class="time">10:34</a> |
wwoods | fun times | <a href="#t10:34" class="time">10:34</a> |
mether | Lovechild: I send them a mail | <a href="#t10:35" class="time">10:35</a> |
wwoods | there are other bugzilla changes (3.0 wooo) but those are a while off | <a href="#t10:35" class="time">10:35</a> |
mether | Lovechild: err, I will send them | <a href="#t10:35" class="time">10:35</a> |
wwoods | oh! if there are bugzilla interfaces (XMLRPC etc) that you need, *please* send me an email | <a href="#t10:35" class="time">10:35</a> |
wwoods | so I can let dkl know what interfaces we use, so we can be sure those get ported | <a href="#t10:35" class="time">10:35</a> |
Lovechild | mether: well maybe they are just ignoring me so maybe if you tried | <a href="#t10:36" class="time">10:36</a> |
mkanat | wwoods: I was just reading the spec for all that, the other day. :-) | <a href="#t10:37" class="time">10:37</a> |
mether | Lovechild: live cd installations have all worked successfully for me. So I was just wondering if there was a problem that commonly occured that I didnt know about. | <a href="#t10:37" class="time">10:37</a> |
mkanat | wwoods: I was chatting with dkl about it since I'm in charge of the WebService, upstream. | <a href="#t10:37" class="time">10:37</a> |
wwoods | mkanat: oh excellent! | <a href="#t10:37" class="time">10:37</a> |
mkanat | Well, kind of in charge of it. | <a href="#t10:37" class="time">10:37</a> |
wwoods | "in charge" like "you were the last one to touch it! it's yours now!" | <a href="#t10:37" class="time">10:37</a> |
wwoods | ? | <a href="#t10:37" class="time">10:37</a> |
mkanat | wwoods: LOL. Well, like I wrote a lot of it so it's mine by default. | <a href="#t10:38" class="time">10:38</a> |
mkanat | wwoods: A lot of Bugzilla is that way, for me. :-D | <a href="#t10:39" class="time">10:39</a> |
wwoods | I know how that goes. Well, awesome. Glad to know you'll be involved in that process. | <a href="#t10:39" class="time">10:39</a> |
mkanat | wwoods: Indeed. :-) You can feel free to ask me about things or suggest things to me, also. | <a href="#t10:40" class="time">10:40</a> |
wwoods | But yeah, I know FESCo and the pkgdb and such use some xmlrpc stuff, so I'll need to mention this to them as well | <a href="#t10:40" class="time">10:40</a> |
mkanat | Any Fedora QA person is free to ask me about Bugzilla, as long as it's not like, some hours-long explanation thing. :-) | <a href="#t10:40" class="time">10:40</a> |
f13 | I don't know what xmlrpc calls I need to make, I just know tasks I wish to complete | <a href="#t10:40" class="time">10:40</a> |
wwoods | f13: right, well, you're OK then. I just need to make sure that the interfaces that some of the tools use stick around | <a href="#t10:41" class="time">10:41</a> |
f13 | like package reassignment, that would do a bugzilla query, find all instances of bugs of a package assigned ot the previous owner, to reassign them to the new owner. | <a href="#t10:41" class="time">10:41</a> |
wwoods | (or the tools get change right quick) | <a href="#t10:41" class="time">10:41</a> |
wwoods | I'm trying to write a wiki page about using Bugzilla in Fedora | <a href="#t10:41" class="time">10:41</a> |
wwoods | there's some stuff that we haven't written down that people should know | <a href="#t10:42" class="time">10:42</a> |
mkanat | wwoods: You could link that from the New Bug page, too. | <a href="#t10:42" class="time">10:42</a> |
wwoods | e.g. we ignore pri/sev, we only pay attention to a few bug states, etc. | <a href="#t10:42" class="time">10:42</a> |
wwoods | oh good call. | <a href="#t10:42" class="time">10:42</a> |
mkanat | wwoods: It's just [% IF product = 'Fedora' %] I think, in 2.18. | <a href="#t10:42" class="time">10:42</a> |
mkanat | In 3.0 it'd probably be [% IF product.name = 'Fedora' %] . | <a href="#t10:43" class="time">10:43</a> |
wwoods | Very cool. I'll try to get that set up once we have a page to refer to | <a href="#t10:43" class="time">10:43</a> |
wwoods | going back to the rollback discussion for a second | <a href="#t10:44" class="time">10:44</a> |
wwoods | for the F9 cycle I want to focus more on helping people use the tools we've got | <a href="#t10:44" class="time">10:44</a> |
wwoods | rather than making new tools | <a href="#t10:44" class="time">10:44</a> |
wwoods | something that does full filesystem rollbacks is a really good example - we already have lvm support for that, just need a good (or merely acceptable) interface | <a href="#t10:45" class="time">10:45</a> |
wwoods | same for, like, a tester tool that shows what you've installed recently, lets you roll back to the stable/previous version, etc | <a href="#t10:46" class="time">10:46</a> |
wwoods | on a package level | <a href="#t10:46" class="time">10:46</a> |
wwoods | we already have support for all that stuff in the tools (bodhi, yum, etc) but it needs an interface and docs | <a href="#t10:46" class="time">10:46</a> |
wwoods | so I expect to spend most of the next six months working on docs on how we do stuff | <a href="#t10:46" class="time">10:46</a> |
wwoods | and tools that improve those processes | <a href="#t10:46" class="time">10:46</a> |
wwoods | stuff like SNAKE and Beaker and Apport will have to wait (or get picked up by other interested parties) | <a href="#t10:47" class="time">10:47</a> |
wwoods | so there's the Grand Vision. what that means in concrete terms is probably something like: more bug days and working on stuff we've got | <a href="#t10:48" class="time">10:48</a> |
wwoods | and if we have time, making little GUIs for the things we do all the time anyway | <a href="#t10:48" class="time">10:48</a> |
wwoods | like yum upgrades and downgrading packages and showing what the common bugs are | <a href="#t10:48" class="time">10:48</a> |
wwoods | okay, enough vague philosophy talk | <a href="#t10:49" class="time">10:49</a> |
wwoods | yawn city. getting near the end of the hour. | <a href="#t10:49" class="time">10:49</a> |
Lovechild | I'd ve very sad to see apport fall to the wayside, sadly I'm not capable of picking it up | <a href="#t10:49" class="time">10:49</a> |
wwoods | quick recap: I'm mailing test-list about a Bug Day on Dec. 3 and upcoming changes to bugzilla (devel->rawhide, removing test releases) | <a href="#t10:50" class="time">10:50</a> |
wwoods | Lovechild: yeah, although I think there's a lot of potential for someone to merge apport + packagekit + bugbuddy | <a href="#t10:50" class="time">10:50</a> |
wwoods | combine that with standardized bugzilla 3.0 web services and you'd have a sweet tool that works for everyone evverywhere | <a href="#t10:50" class="time">10:50</a> |
Lovechild | wwoods: oh please don't end the meeting like that, now my floor will be all covered in drool | <a href="#t10:50" class="time">10:50</a> |
wwoods | without so much distro-specific cruft stuffed into it | <a href="#t10:51" class="time">10:51</a> |
wwoods | basically I'd like to see bugbuddy use PK to get debuginfo, and use some of the ideas from apport about bug retracing and making hashes of tracebacks to auto-find dupes | <a href="#t10:52" class="time">10:52</a> |
wwoods | so if someone wants to talk to the bug-buddy maintainer and drive that project, I'd be happy to provide advice | <a href="#t10:52" class="time">10:52</a> |
wwoods | but mostly we need to work on getting more people testing updates and rawhide | <a href="#t10:53" class="time">10:53</a> |
wwoods | and triaging bugs | <a href="#t10:53" class="time">10:53</a> |
wwoods | anyway. sorry. oh, qa-list is basically closed | <a href="#t10:53" class="time">10:53</a> |
wwoods | (it's strange that mailman doesn't have a "close list temporarily" checkbox) | <a href="#t10:54" class="time">10:54</a> |
wwoods | you can use bodhi's RSS feeds to track new package updates | <a href="#t10:54" class="time">10:54</a> |
lmacken | test notifications will go away soon | <a href="#t10:54" class="time">10:54</a> |
lmacken | i'm almost done with the captcha code to allow anonymous feedback | <a href="#t10:54" class="time">10:54</a> |
wwoods | cool! | <a href="#t10:54" class="time">10:54</a> |
wwoods | I'm working on adding info about bodhi to the QA docs | <a href="#t10:55" class="time">10:55</a> |
wwoods | mether: are you going to track that firstboot bug? | <a href="#t10:55" class="time">10:55</a> |
mkanat | wwoods: I think bug-buddy already supports standard Bugzilla webservices, too. | <a href="#t10:55" class="time">10:55</a> |
mkanat | wwoods: I know that GNOME was working on it, at least. | <a href="#t10:55" class="time">10:55</a> |
wwoods | mkanat: niiiice. | <a href="#t10:55" class="time">10:55</a> |
wwoods | so yeah, teach it to install debuginfo packages (where applicable) and we'd be most of the way here | <a href="#t10:56" class="time">10:56</a> |
mkanat | wwoods: Yeah, GNOME is totally interested in that, too. | <a href="#t10:56" class="time">10:56</a> |
mkanat | wwoods: They had some discussion about it, maybe you could grab somebody from there about it. | <a href="#t10:56" class="time">10:56</a> |
mkanat | wwoods: Or I could grab somebody for you. | <a href="#t10:56" class="time">10:56</a> |
wwoods | that would be very cool | <a href="#t10:56" class="time">10:56</a> |
wwoods | in theory it's totally dead simple with BuildIDs in Fedora | <a href="#t10:57" class="time">10:57</a> |
mkanat | wwoods: Cool. I've pinged Olav Vitters, we'll see if he's around. | <a href="#t10:57" class="time">10:57</a> |
wwoods | you can just look at a header in the core and it'll tell you all the debuginfo you need | <a href="#t10:57" class="time">10:57</a> |
wwoods | if we set up the debuginfo building properly you'd just have to do yum install [list of buildids straight from corefile] | <a href="#t10:58" class="time">10:58</a> |
wwoods | but yeah, distro-specific hooks for installing debuginfo would be completely grand | <a href="#t10:59" class="time">10:59</a> |
poelcat | wwoods: is this in the plans for F9? <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureApport">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureApport</a> | <a href="#t10:59" class="time">10:59</a> |
wwoods | poelcat: no | <a href="#t10:59" class="time">10:59</a> |
poelcat | wwoods: i'll remove the target release if you like :) | <a href="#t10:59" class="time">10:59</a> |
wwoods | Unless someone else wants to own it | <a href="#t10:59" class="time">10:59</a> |
wwoods | Basically I think the ideas in Apport are sound, but it's something that should go into upstream tools | <a href="#t11:01" class="time">11:01</a> |
wwoods | the current implementation is very ubuntu-y. very brown. | <a href="#t11:01" class="time">11:01</a> |
wwoods | okay. is there anything else people wanted to discuss? | <a href="#t11:02" class="time">11:02</a> |
wwoods | let's consider this meeting over, then. thanks for your time, everyone | <a href="#t11:03" class="time">11:03</a> |
wwoods | Bug Day Monday! Don't forget! | <a href="#t11:04" class="time">11:04</a> |
wwoods | ooh maybe we should do pulseaudio bugs | <a href="#t11:04" class="time">11:04</a> |
* joejaxx is happy he was able to attend one :D | <a href="#t11:04" class="time">11:04</a> | |
joejaxx | partially* | <a href="#t11:04" class="time">11:04</a> |
wwoods | joejaxx: we're glad to have ya! | <a href="#t11:04" class="time">11:04</a> |
wwoods | heh | <a href="#t11:04" class="time">11:04</a> |
joejaxx | :) | <a href="#t11:04" class="time">11:04</a> |
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