QA/Meetings/20100208

Attendees

People present (lines said)

• jlaska (100)
• adamw (42)
• kparal (13)
• Oxf13 (10)
• nirik (9)
• zodbot (5)
• ajax (3)
• jskladan (2)
• tk009 (2)
• stickster (1)
• akurtakov (1)

Regrets:

• User:liam
• User:rhe
• User:wwoods

Agenda

• Proposed meeting agenda
• meetbot summary

Previous meeting follow-up

1. jlaska request zodbot tracking for updated F-13 QA RSS feeds (blocker bugs, common_bugs? etc...
   • Have RSS available, will sync up with nirik after the meeting
2. jlaska to organize a gobby meeting with wwoods+kparal to begin requirements/goal definition for a results db
   • wwoods and kparal were kind enough to take this on and a meeting is scheduled for tomorrow
3. jlaska to discuss updating QA schedule with poelstra to reflect new 'release validation' focus
   • No updates yet, remain on target for next week
4. jlaska and adamw to work on drafting a 'last known good' wiki page
   • jlaska discussed expectations with jkeating, need to clarify some terminology changes, but will activate this task shortly.

Rawhide Acceptance Testing

Last week, 2010-02-04 was the third pre-Alpha rawhide acceptance test milestone. Jkeating and dlehman coordinated to do a second compose (see rel-eng ticket#3337). Install images were built and posted on alt.fedoraproject.org. Since AutoQA doesn't yet monitor this location for new install images, tests were initiated manually.

Test Summary:

• Automated rats_install FAIL - RHBZ #559290 causing LVM lvcreate to fail
• Results available at Test_Results:Fedora_13_Rawhide_Acceptance_Test_3.

Next Steps:

• Fix AutoQA post-tree-compose hook to monitor for RAT droppings (see ticket#115)
• Discuss proposed rats_install changes with wwoods and draft a patch

Open issues:

• Releases/Rawhide needs an overhaul to accommodate new process

AutoQA project update

Deps/conflicts prevention

• Milestone - https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/autoqa%20depcheck
• Owner - User:wwoods

Last week

• Blogged about depcheck work - http://qa-rockstar.livejournal.com/9234.html

This week

• Build a testsuite to validate depchecks functionality (possibly using rpmfluff)

rpmguard and autoqa results collection

• Milestone - https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/Package%20update%20tests
• Owner - User:kparal

Last week

• Address ticket#113 - skip checks against same package NVR
• Address ticket#114 - locate latest previous package from stable and updates repos. Makes it easier to run the test manually at some future date.

This week

• Initial brainstorming on results db ideas

install automation

• Milestone - https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/Automate%20installation%20test%20plan
• Owner - User:lili, User:rhe

Last week

• Reviewing options for booting ISO media while using a kickstart ([http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/virt/2010-February/001809.html

consulting] kvm autotest and virt teams)

This week

• Attempt to implement ISO install method recommended by virt team

packaging/deployment

• Milestone - https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/Packaging%20and%20Review
• Owner - User:jlaska

Last week

• Process akurtakov's feedback and remove all uncertain JAR files from the list (see User:Jlaska/gwt#Status_uncertain).
• Initiated discussion with GWT upstream regarding multiple versioned JAR files (see thread).

This week

• Package an existing JPackage for Fedora

Open discussion - <Your topic here>

ibus-chewing dependency problems

Jlaska asked if anyone knew if the ibus-chewing dependency problem in rawhide (affecting nightly live image builds) was recorded in bugzilla. Nirik noted that Adam Jackson rebuilt the affected packages and they should arrive in the next days rawhide repo.

Upcoming QA events

• 2010-01-21 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #1
• 2010-01-28 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #2
• 2010-02-04 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #3
• 2010-02-04 - NFSv4 Test Day
• 2010-02-05 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (F13Alpha) #1 (recap)
• WE ARE HERE
• 2010-02-11 - Test Alpha 'Test Compose' (boot media testing)
• 2010-02-12 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (F13Alpha) #2
• 2010-02-12 - Alpha Test Candidate verification
• 2010-02-18 - Alpha Release Candidate verification
• 2010-02-19 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (F13Alpha) #3
• 2010-02-24 - Alpha Go/No-Go Meeting (20:00 EST)

Action items

1. jlaska will follow-up w/ nirik after the meeting to setup zodbot feed watchers
2. jlaska to work w/ poelstra to give 'release validation' spin to quality milestones

IRC transcript

jlaska	#startmeeting Fedora QA meeting	16:02
zodbot	Meeting started Mon Feb 8 16:02:05 2010 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	16:02
zodbot	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.	16:02
jlaska	#meetingname fedora-qa	16:02
zodbot	The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'	16:02
adamw	morning	16:02
jlaska	#topic Start your engines ...	16:02
jlaska	adamw: mornin' to ya	16:02
* kparal appears		16:02
jlaska	we'll be without wwoods today, who hopefully safely in transit from New Orleans	16:03
jskladan	hi there	16:03
* tk009 remains in the shadows		16:03
jlaska	and we'll be joined by a new member today ... jskladan	16:03
jlaska	jskladan: welcome!	16:03
adamw	hello	16:03
jlaska	jskladan joins kparal in the Brno RHT office as an intern	16:05
jlaska	please keep the hazing to a minimum :)	16:05
jlaska	tk009: thanks for joining!	16:05
* stickster is lurky		16:05
* kparal is not alone anymore		16:05
adamw	not even the shaving foam and the rubber frog?	16:05
jlaska	stickster: welcome lurker :P	16:05
jlaska	adamw: frog yes ... foam, hopefully not :D	16:06
adamw	man, you're just no fun any more	16:06
jlaska	haha	16:06
jskladan	hopefully, i'm not familliar with the frog concept :-D	16:06
jlaska	alright, we have a short agenda today ... so let's dive in	16:06
jlaska	proposed agenda - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-February/088359.html	16:07
jlaska	#topic Previous meeting follow-up	16:07
jlaska	#info jlaska to request zodbot tracking for updated F-13 QA RSS feeds (blocker bugs, common_bugs? etc...	16:07
jlaska	I don't know if others find this useful, I know adamw monitors the bug activity from the blocker cc list	16:08
* nirik didn't do anything on that, can work with jlaska to get it done.		16:08
adamw	it can be useful at crunch time I guess	16:08
jlaska	but I've got a few rss feeds ready now ... nirik, what would you like to proceed? tickets or just irc?	16:08
nirik	irc would be fine... we can discuss over in #fedora-qa?	16:09
jlaska	nirik: you got it, I'll ping you after the meeting if that's okay	16:09
nirik	sounds good.	16:09
jlaska	nirik: thanks :)	16:09
jlaska	#action jlaska will follow-up w/ nirik after the meeting to setup zodbot feed watchers	16:10
jlaska	okay, next up ...	16:10
jlaska	#info jlaska to organize a gobby meeting with wwoods+kparal to begin requirements/goal definition for a results db	16:10
jlaska	wwoods and kparal came to the rescue here ... we've got a meeting setup for tomorrow to begin the process	16:10
jlaska	I'll be setting up a gobby document so our small group (and whoever else wants to join) can record requirements for the resultsdb	16:11
jlaska	nothing else there ... this is just an informal discussion around how to approach the resultsdb autoqa topic	16:13
jlaska	kparal: anything else to add there?	16:13
kparal	jlaska: I don't think so	16:14
kparal	anyone is welcome	16:14
jlaska	#info gobby document will be used to help organize thoughts to formulate requirements	16:14
jlaska	next up ...	16:14
jlaska	#info jlaska to discuss updating QA schedule with poelstra to reflect new 'release validation' focus	16:14
jlaska	I didn't tough this topic last week, I'll keep this on and bring it up with poelcat this week	16:15
jlaska	#info no updates ... will review next week	16:15
jlaska	and last ...	16:15
jlaska	#info jlaska and adamw to work on drafting a 'last known good' wiki page	16:15
adamw	I, um, didn't hear from you	16:15
jlaska	nope, I spoke to Oxf13 on Friday about this task to better understand it	16:16
jlaska	from what I can tell, there is some terminology that still needs fleshing out. But I wanted to make sure I understood the bigger picture before diving into the doc space	16:17
Oxf13	and I just realized that the symlink name we picked for last known good was.. misspelled	16:17
jlaska	lng :)	16:17
Oxf13	"lng" doesn't really work for Last Known Good	16:17
jlaska	hehe	16:17
adamw	hey, keep it...it could become something for people to post annual puzzled mailing list questions about	16:18
jlaska	Oxf13: once we hit feature freeze, if I understand correctly, image creation for the F-13 branch will be enabled right?	16:18
Oxf13	yes	16:19
jlaska	will that be using the same URL we've established for current RATS drops?	16:19
jlaska	e.g. http://serverbeach1.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/rawhide-testing/	16:19
Oxf13	no, once image creation happens nightly it'll be along side the packages themselves.	16:20
Oxf13	download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/develpment/13/Everything/os/images	16:20
Oxf13	Not certain about the "Everything" part of that path	16:20
jlaska	ah, in that Everything URL http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/development/13	16:20
jlaska	I see, thanks	16:20
jlaska	okay, so certainly keep this on the list	16:20
Oxf13	this also is a prelude to having download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/development/rawhide/ as the new path for Rawhide.	16:21
kparal	what about yum repos, what happens if I have rawhide repo enabled?	16:21
Oxf13	kparal: if you're on rawhide now, you stay on rawhide.	16:21
Oxf13	kparal: if you install from the branch, or Alpha, you stay on Fedora 13	16:21
kparal	Oxf13: so I have to manually change tomorrow, right?	16:21
jlaska	all good questions for us to document on this page	16:21
Oxf13	kparal: it might be a few days before we get everything settled	16:21
* jlaska will start recording this stuff in a TRAC ticket		16:21
jlaska	I suspect this will be an ongoing topic for a few meetings, so I'll keep this on the list	16:22
jlaska	okay ... anything else from last week before we move on?	16:23
jlaska	#info keep on the list for next week, move discussion into trac ticket and start identifying changes needed to Releases/Rawhide wiki	16:23
jlaska	alright, moving into the agenda	16:24
jlaska	#topic Rawhide Acceptance Testing #3	16:24
jlaska	#info Last week, 2010-02-04 was the third pre-Alpha rawhide acceptance test milestone	16:24
jlaska	automated test results are available at Test_Results:Fedora_13_Rawhide_Acceptance_Test_3	16:24
jlaska	right now the rawhide acceptance test run is marked *FAIL*	16:25
jlaska	due to bug#559290	16:25
jlaska	I can work around this with a minor change to the AutoQA library virtguest.py ... but I'm not comfortable increasing the default RAM for a guest from 512 to 768 yet	16:26
jlaska	#info there are a few others AutoQA changes that I need to run by wwoods for his thoughts as well	16:26
jlaska	aside from that, I'll be trying to help move that bug forward this week	16:27
jlaska	that's it from me on RATS drop #3	16:28
jlaska	let's do a quick run through on any AutoQA updates ...	16:28
jlaska	#topic AutoQA project update - depcheck	16:28
jlaska	wwoods isn't around, but posted the current status to fedora planet ...	16:28
jlaska	http://qa-rockstar.livejournal.com/9234.html	16:28
jlaska	so stay tuned for some new built-in testsuite goodness :)	16:29
jlaska	#topic AutoQA project update - rpmguard/resultsdb	16:29
jlaska	kparal, any new and noteworthy updates on the rpmguard/resultsdb front?	16:29
kparal	unfortunately none, I haven't made any updates on it last week	16:30
kparal	but we may expect next week summary of discussion about results db	16:31
jlaska	kparal: should we continue checking in on this topic? Would you rather change the focus to the package update test plan topic you briefed us on last week?	16:31
jlaska	ah good point, I'll keep the resultsdb topic	16:31
kparal	well I will try to post some package update test plan documents this week	16:31
kparal	so I hope we can consult it next week here	16:31
jlaska	that's exciting ... just give me a holler if that's something you want in a future meeting agenda	16:32
kparal	so as you deem appropriate, it may not be a regular topic, but when I have some updates, I won't forget to let you all know	16:32
jlaska	gotcha	16:33
jlaska	I've got to run into another meeting folks, so I'm going to run through these next 2 topics	16:34
jlaska	#topic AutoQA project update - install automation	16:34
jlaska	The latest I have from Liam is he initiated discussion with the fedora virt team for guidance on how to proceed with booting an ISO, while providing custom cmdline arguments	16:35
jlaska	#link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/virt/2010-February/001809.html	16:35
jlaska	that thread offered some interesting approaches ... so hopefully more on that next week	16:35
jlaska	#topic AutoQA project update - packaging	16:36
jlaska	I got some feedback from upstream GWT on the bundled JAR files	16:36
jlaska	http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit-contributors/browse_thread/thread/fc5713c023919618/f423351722bc7afe	16:36
jlaska	there is an interesting gotcha lurking, but I think the plan is to kill procrastination and proceed with packaging the JPackage deps	16:36
jlaska	My goal is to have one package inprogress this week	16:37
adamw	cool	16:38
jlaska	alrighty ... adamw or kparal, can you bring the meeting home, I need to divert focus for a few moments	16:38
jlaska	#chair adamw	16:38
zodbot	Current chairs: adamw jlaska	16:38
jlaska	#chair kparal	16:38
zodbot	Current chairs: adamw jlaska kparal	16:38
adamw	sure, where's the agenda?	16:38
jlaska	QA/Meetings/20100208#Upcoming_QA_events	16:38
jlaska	I just wanted to highlight where we are in the QA schedule, and what's coming this week	16:38
jlaska	and then open it up for things not discussed yet	16:38
adamw	okey dokey	16:38
adamw	#topic upcoming events	16:39
adamw	so we are through the RATS phase, and this week we hit our first manual install testing point	16:39
adamw	with testing of the test compose and alpha candidate	16:39
adamw	I will also aim to have desktop validation tests going alongside install validation	16:40
akurtakov	jlaska: if you have a problem with some package or you need a review let me know	16:40
adamw	we also have the second alpha blokcer review meeting	16:40
adamw	thanks, akurtakov	16:40
jlaska	akurtakov: thanks for the offer!	16:40
jlaska	adamw: you wanna try that master results wiki page that includes the different validation efforts?	16:41
jlaska	or is that overkill	16:41
adamw	um if we get to it sure	16:41
adamw	for now I still have to get the desktop validation pages up and running properly :)	16:41
jlaska	#info 2010-02-11 - Test Alpha 'Test Compose' (boot media testing)	16:41
jlaska	#info 2010-02-12 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (F13Alpha) #2	16:41
jlaska	adamw: killer job with the first blocker bug meeting last week!	16:42
adamw	thanks	16:42
kparal	so, the desktop validation testing will be part of Test Alpha 'Test Compose'?	16:42
adamw	kparal: probably the 'test alpha candidate', but really they're so close together	16:42
adamw	i'll probably try to co-ordinate with liam and have them listed together in the emails he usually sends out	16:43
kparal	great	16:43
adamw	desktop validation testing is this stuff:	16:43
adamw	User:Adamwill/Draft_desktop_test_matrix	16:43
adamw	basically	16:43
jlaska	adamw: rhe will be organizing the install community events for F-13	16:43
adamw	jlaska: aha, ok. so I'll co-ordinate with rhe :)	16:43
jlaska	sweet, thank you	16:44
adamw	and just to remind, we'll go through all of those tests, even if only two will actually block the alpha if they fail.	16:44
adamw	at least, that's the idea. :)	16:44
adamw	so, any other questions/concerns around the validation testing or the blocker meeting?	16:45
adamw	alrighty then	16:46
adamw	#open floor	16:46
adamw	grr	16:46
jlaska	just excited to put the new plans to the test!	16:46
adamw	#topic open floor	16:47
adamw	any *other* questions/concerns anyone has? :)	16:47
jlaska	I was trying find the ibus dependency bug before the meeting today, but turning up empty with my quick bz searches	16:47
jlaska	seems like that's been around for some time, was curious if it's being addressed	16:48
adamw	not familiar with that one?	16:48
jlaska	I'll try to get a bz for this on the radar	16:48
nirik	jlaska: ajax rebuilt them today.	16:49
ajax	i'm a machine	16:49
nirik	so should be fixed in tomorrow's rawhide.	16:49
jlaska	nirik: oh nice, thanks for the time saver	16:50
* nirik thought about rebuilding them last night, but wasn't sure if there was any api changes there.		16:50
ajax	if they are, they're the subtle "same function signature but different behaviour" type	16:50
adamw	alright, anything else?	16:50
ajax	which means ibus is even more incompetent than expected ;)	16:51
nirik	ajax: you never know. ;) But thanks for rebuilding them...	16:51
* tk009 needs milk with this cupcake.		16:52
adamw	it seems bad that ajax would have to rebuild ibus...how long has whatever the problem is been a problem?	16:52
nirik	around a week I think.	16:52
adamw	tk009: duly noted for the minutes!	16:52
adamw	shouldn't we have a super-keen i18n team who would do that?	16:52
nirik	I asked juhp last night and he was going to talk to maintainers....	16:53
adamw	great	16:53
adamw	okay, so, if there's nothing else, we'll close out the meeting soon.	16:54
adamw	alright, thanks for coming everyone	16:55
adamw	#endmeeting	16:55

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