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# Viking-Ice - solicit feedback on test@lists.fedoraproject.org to see whether we need to require only bugzilla.redhat.com use during test days | # Viking-Ice - solicit feedback on test@lists.fedoraproject.org to see whether we need to require only bugzilla.redhat.com use during test days | ||
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#: Adamw proposed an update at http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-February/096978.html | #: Adamw proposed an update at http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-February/096978.html | ||
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Latest revision as of 09:03, 18 September 2016
Attendees
People present (lines said)
- jlaska (175)
- adamw (42)
- dgilmore (24)
- nirik (14)
- fenrus02 (10)
- tflink (9)
- cwickert (9)
- maxamillion (8)
- jskladan (5)
- vhumpa (5)
- Viking-Ice (4)
- jsmith (4)
- rbergeron (3)
Unable to attend:
Agenda
Previous meeting follow-up
- jlaska - ask rel-eng to file tickets for upcoming Alpha milestones
- jlaska - ping clumens about a new anaconda build for the alpha TC
- built anaconda-15.20-1 - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=227952
- adamw - reach out to dmitri to check-in on FreeIPA test day prep
- jlaska - send F15Alpha blocker review announcement
- Completed in UTF-7 - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test-announce/2011-February/000183.html
- Viking-Ice - solicit feedback on test@lists.fedoraproject.org to see whether we need to require only bugzilla.redhat.com use during test days
- No updates, keep on the list for next week
- Anyone - Propose update to QA/SOP_Test_Day_management recommending creation of a "How to debug ____" guide
- Adamw proposed an update at http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-February/096978.html
AutoQA update - DevConf update
- Summary
- At Developer Conferance, autoqa attendance was quite scarce, only 4 people. But at least they had their hands on AutoQA and they might help us with something in the future. One of them already proposed SELinux-related test and maybe will start working on it
- I have posted the sample workshop materials here: https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2011-February/001623.html
- I also spoke briefly with Lennart and he seemed interested to have automatic checks performed on packages containing systemd units. He mentioned some changes that he could implement to easily allow us to do so. We agreed that I'll contact him after the conference via email and we'll talk more about the details.
- tflink+kparal discussing unit+integration+function test strategy on autoqa-devel@lists.fedorahosted.org
- Next steps
- autoqa-0.4.4 release
Tue, Feb 15 - FreeIPA v2 Test Day
- Summary
- Test_Day:2011-02-15_FreeIPAv2 (http://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/163)
- Jcholast is creating tests as we speak on the wiki
- Half the tests are designed for execution on a single system
- Next steps ...
- Get the word out (blogs, lists etc...)
Thu, Feb 17 - XFCE4.8 Test Day
- Summary
- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-02-17_Xfce (http://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/157)
- Nirik, cwickert and maxamillion are preparing the wiki and test cases
- XFCE test day may be impacted by gdm bug (see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=674978). Halfline is working on a fix and hopes to have something available soon.
- Nirik mentioned it would be good to announce this event to the upstream XFCE list, as well as xfce@lists.fedoraproject.org
- Next steps ...
- Help wanted preparing the wiki for the test event
- Help wanted announcing event to upstream XFCE list, and xfce@lists.fedoraproject.org
Thu, Feb 17 - Alpha RC testing starts
- Summary
- dgilmore gave a status update on the TC2 milestone. TC2 is expected later today, and will contain post-branch and post-rebuild content
- Alpha RC is scheduled for this Thursday (Feb 17). The RC *cannot* be created until all blockers are addressed
- Bug trackers ...
- Next steps ...
- Provide test feedback against TC2
- File and monitor alpha blocker bugs in preparation for RC
Fri, Feb 18 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (f15alpha) #4
- Summary
- We held our first blocker IRC meeting last Friday (see http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2011-02-11/f15alpha-bug-review.2011-02-11-17.00.html). Thanks to all those who attended or provided updated status in bugzilla
- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting
- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_blocker_bug_process
- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_nth_bug_process
- Next steps ...
- Blocker meeting this Friday, February 18 at 17:00 UTC
Open discussion - <Your topic here>
Action items
- No items at this time
IRC transcript
| jlaska | #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting | 16:00 |
|---|---|---|
| zodbot | Meeting started Mon Feb 14 16:00:02 2011 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 16:00 |
| jlaska | #meetingname fedora-qa | 16:00 |
| zodbot | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' | 16:00 |
| jlaska | #topic Roll call | 16:00 |
| jsmith | Am I fashionably late yet? | 16:00 |
| fenrus02 | 27 seconds is hardly "fashionable" :) | 16:00 |
| * jsmith is here (but distracted by a phone meeting) | 16:00 | |
| * tflink is here | 16:00 | |
| jlaska | jsmith: not at all ... fashionably first :) | 16:01 |
| jlaska | fenrus02: tflink: greetings | 16:01 |
| * jlaska notes ... kparal is out today, he is in training this week | 16:01 | |
| fenrus02 | g'morning! | 16:01 |
| vhumpa | Greetings! | 16:01 |
| jlaska | I believe vhumpa and jskladan are still recovering from the plague circulating in the Brno office | 16:01 |
| * jskladan lurks! | 16:01 | |
| jlaska | waoh, scratch that ... they both live! :D | 16:01 |
| vhumpa | jlaska: that is true :) | 16:01 |
| jskladan | jlaska: new antibiotics are working like charm :) | 16:02 |
| jlaska | vhumpa: jskladan: welcome back you two | 16:02 |
| jlaska | hope you are nearing 100% again | 16:02 |
| fenrus02 | feeling better i hope? | 16:02 |
| vhumpa | jlaska: just a flu in my case, i should be in the office from tomorrow | 16:02 |
| jskladan | jlaska: it's better, i can even eat now :) | 16:02 |
| jlaska | let's hear it for cold/flu season | 16:03 |
| jlaska | booooo! | 16:03 |
| vhumpa | boooooo! | 16:03 |
| jskladan | booooo yeah! | 16:03 |
| jskladan | :-D | 16:03 |
| jlaska | okay ... who else are we waiting for | 16:03 |
| jlaska | rbergeron will likely join a bit later on | 16:03 |
| jlaska | adamw, Viking-Ice, robatino, Southern_Gentlem? | 16:03 |
| jlaska | anyone else I'm missing? | 16:03 |
| adamw | yo | 16:03 |
| jlaska | mornin! | 16:04 |
| jlaska | let's get started, and hopefully others will join mid-meeting | 16:04 |
| * jlaska tracking minutes on the wiki at QA/Meetings/20110214 | 16:04 | |
| jlaska | #topic Previous meeting follow-up | 16:05 |
| jlaska | some of these are kind of really small tasks, I'm just going to breeze through some ... | 16:05 |
| jlaska | #info jlaska - ask rel-eng to file tickets for upcoming Alpha milestones | 16:05 |
| jlaska | dgilmore created a ton of the Alpha tickets last week, thanks dgilmore! | 16:05 |
| jlaska | #link https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&milestone=Fedora+15+Alpha | 16:05 |
| jlaska | I got some experience with jkeatings python-offtrac module as well, that was a handy way change *many* tickets at once | 16:05 |
| jlaska | #info jlaska - ping clumens about a new anaconda build for the alpha TC | 16:06 |
| jlaska | thank you clumens, we have a new anaconda ready and waiting for TC2 (http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=227952) | 16:06 |
| jlaska | #info adamw - reach out to dmitri to check-in on FreeIPA test day prep | 16:06 |
| jlaska | check this off as well, adamw got in touch w/ dpal and the freeIPA event was postponed and rescheduled for tomorrow | 16:06 |
| fenrus02 | tomorrow still, right? | 16:06 |
| jlaska | #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test-announce/2011-February/000185.html | 16:06 |
| adamw | yeah | 16:06 |
| jlaska | fenrus02: looks like it ... the wiki is coming together | 16:07 |
| fenrus02 | awesome. | 16:07 |
| jlaska | we can talk more on that in the agenda | 16:07 |
| jlaska | #info jlaska - send F15Alpha blocker review announcement | 16:07 |
| jlaska | Completed in UTF-7 fashion - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test-announce/2011-February/000183.html | 16:07 |
| jlaska | note ... ensure that you are sending UTF-8 encoded mails with evolution :) | 16:07 |
| jlaska | #info Anyone - Propose update to QA/SOP_Test_Day_management recommending creation of a "How to debug ____" guide | 16:07 |
| jlaska | looks like adamw grabbed this one, thanks adamw | 16:08 |
| jlaska | #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-February/096978.html | 16:08 |
| jlaska | proposed update out on the list for review | 16:08 |
| jlaska | adamw: your proposed edits look good to me ... I'll reply on list after meeting | 16:08 |
| adamw | yeah | 16:09 |
| jlaska | last one I had was one that Viking-Ice touched on at the end of last week | 16:09 |
| adamw | feedback appreciated. there may have been some already, i dunno. | 16:09 |
| jlaska | #info Viking-Ice - solicit feedback on test@lists.fedoraproject.org to see whether we need to require only bugzilla.redhat.com use during test days | 16:09 |
| adamw | haven' caught up with the list yet | 16:09 |
| jlaska | neither have I | 16:09 |
| adamw | man, we suck | 16:09 |
| jlaska | with a capital S | 16:09 |
| jlaska | "we suck less" | 16:09 |
| jlaska | "we try harder" | 16:09 |
| jlaska | :) | 16:09 |
| adamw | the whiskey tries for me | 16:10 |
| jlaska | anyway ... not sure what the status is here, but we can catch up with Viking-Ice when he arrives | 16:10 |
| * Viking-Ice jumps in tata! | 16:10 | |
| jlaska | tada! | 16:10 |
| jlaska | Hey there | 16:10 |
| Viking-Ice | I've not yet sent it to the test list | 16:10 |
| jlaska | Viking-Ice: okay, want me to keep this on the radar for next week too? | 16:10 |
| Viking-Ice | yeah | 16:11 |
| jlaska | Viking-Ice: roger, will do | 16:11 |
| jlaska | alright, let's dive in ... | 16:11 |
| jlaska | #topic AutoQA update - DevConf update | 16:11 |
| jlaska | kparal isn't in today, but I have some updates from him via email | 16:11 |
| jlaska | Regarding the Developer Conference ... | 16:11 |
| jlaska | #info autoqa attendance was quite scarce, only 4 people. But at least they had their hands on AutoQA and they might help us with something in the future. One of them already proposed SELinux-related test and maybe will start working on it | 16:11 |
| jlaska | #info I (kparal) have posted the sample workshop materials here: https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2011-February/001623.html | 16:12 |
| jlaska | #info I also spoke briefly with Lennart and he seemed interested to have automatic checks performed on packages containing systemd units. He mentioned some changes that he could implement to easily allow us to do so. We agreed that I'll contact him after the conference via email and we'll talk more about the details. | 16:12 |
| adamw | awesome | 16:12 |
| jlaska | tflink: jskladan: vhumpa: feel free to make excessive use of #info #action or #link for any AutoQA updates you want to share | 16:12 |
| jlaska | yeah, I'm excited to see if we can come up with anything quick'n'easy wrt systemd unit sanity | 16:13 |
| jlaska | glad those two were able to sync up | 16:13 |
| Viking-Ice | good to know Lennart and kparal manage to meet each other | 16:13 |
| jlaska | tflink: you've been researching unittest integration for autoqa? Any updates you wanted to highlight here? | 16:14 |
| tflink | not a whole lot as of yet | 16:14 |
| tflink | we've started a conversation about testing strategy for autoqa on autoqa-devel but it's waiting for a couple of proof of concept implementations before we go much farther | 16:15 |
| jlaska | alrighy ... if nothing else on autoqa we'll move on | 16:15 |
| jlaska | ah good | 16:15 |
| tflink | and by testing strategy, I mean unit and functional/integration testing for the autoqa code iteself | 16:15 |
| jlaska | anxious to see what you guys come up with ... I always cringe when building and deploying a new version :) | 16:16 |
| jlaska | #info tflink+kparal discussing unit+integration+function test strategy on autoqa-devel@lists.fedorahosted.org | 16:16 |
| tflink | as long as you don't feel like yelling 'fire in the hole' when pushing to git | 16:16 |
| jlaska | yes, that would be awesome to avoid! :D | 16:16 |
| tflink | when we get to that point, we're in trouble | 16:16 |
| adamw | that's what all my commit messages say! | 16:17 |
| jlaska | "wonder what this will do -adamw" | 16:17 |
| jlaska | :) | 16:17 |
| adamw | that or 'danger, will robinson' | 16:17 |
| jlaska | heh | 16:17 |
| jlaska | okay ... thanks for the update tflink | 16:17 |
| tflink | np | 16:17 |
| jlaska | alright, let's move on to the upcoming events portion | 16:18 |
| jlaska | #topic Tue, Feb 15 - FreeIPA v2 Test Day | 16:18 |
| jlaska | #link Test_Day:2011-02-15_FreeIPAv2 | 16:18 |
| jlaska | hey robatino :) | 16:18 |
| jlaska | looks like Jcholast is creating tests as we speak | 16:19 |
| jlaska | (or type, as the case may be) | 16:19 |
| jlaska | yay, they're using Template:QA/Test_Case | 16:19 |
| jlaska | I'm not sure what else we need to do for this event, other then get the word out | 16:20 |
| jlaska | last I checked, live images are in working order (assuming you don't try to install) | 16:20 |
| fenrus02 | the cli test page is fun :) | 16:20 |
| jlaska | #link http://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/163 | 16:20 |
| jlaska | woah, that's a monster | 16:20 |
| adamw | i was working on the basis this is a kinda limited-audience test day | 16:21 |
| adamw | i'm not sure it's one you can do much with if you don't know what the hell a freeipa is | 16:21 |
| jlaska | are there freeIPA communities that we need to reach out to? | 16:21 |
| fenrus02 | adamw, you can run the first half with only one machine | 16:21 |
| jlaska | besides freeipa-users@redhat.com | 16:22 |
| fenrus02 | there is #freeipa | 16:22 |
| jlaska | fenrus02: are you a frequent user? | 16:22 |
| adamw | fenrus02: ah, ok, thanks | 16:22 |
| fenrus02 | jlaska, not a real user, but i do have it running in test | 16:22 |
| jlaska | fenrus02: ah good, I like how they grouped tests requiring 1 system, 2 systems etc... | 16:22 |
| fenrus02 | kudos to Jcholast ... this test page is shaping up very nicely | 16:23 |
| jlaska | +1 agreed | 16:23 |
| jlaska | coming together nicely | 16:23 |
| jlaska | alright, anything else on the freeIPA test day? | 16:23 |
| jlaska | as with any similar event, if you can help get the word out ... please do! | 16:24 |
| jlaska | next up ... | 16:24 |
| jlaska | #topic Thu, Feb 17 - XFCE4.8 Test Day | 16:24 |
| jlaska | lemme see if maxa is around | 16:24 |
| * nirik is lurking around too. | 16:24 | |
| jlaska | oh perfect, hey ninjazjb | 16:25 |
| jlaska | and nirik :) | 16:25 |
| jlaska | fooled by tab-complete again! | 16:25 |
| nirik | I dropped an inital wiki page in, and cwickert spruced it up some... | 16:25 |
| nirik | but it could use more love I'm sure. | 16:25 |
| jlaska | #link http://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/157 | 16:25 |
| adamw | i had a note on my personal todo list to check in with you guys on this one | 16:25 |
| jlaska | #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-02-17_Xfce | 16:25 |
| vhumpa | Good day - Let me know if I can help - will definitely participate on this one | 16:26 |
| adamw | we have all the test cases from last time we can re-use, they may need updating i guess | 16:26 |
| adamw | hi vhumpa, get back to bed =) | 16:26 |
| nirik | yeah . | 16:26 |
| nirik | and possibly any general desktopy ones might apply if generic enough. | 16:26 |
| * dgilmore just made some tc2 xfce live cds | 16:27 | |
| adamw | right | 16:27 |
| adamw | dgilmore: yaay | 16:27 |
| nirik | cool. | 16:27 |
| cwickert | dgilmore: where can I grab them? | 16:27 |
| dgilmore | cwickert: koji | 16:27 |
| * cwickert looks | 16:27 | |
| maxamillion | here-ish | 16:27 |
| dgilmore | cwickert: i need to pull them into place yet | 16:27 |
| adamw | when does tc2 land again? | 16:28 |
| maxamillion | apologies for my tardiness(sp?) | 16:28 |
| dgilmore | adamw: today | 16:28 |
| dgilmore | adamw: was supposed to be friday but we had no repos to build from | 16:28 |
| jlaska | TC2 ticket - https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/4425 | 16:28 |
| dgilmore | adamw: and rc1 is thursday | 16:28 |
| jlaska | hey maxamillion, thanks for joining | 16:29 |
| maxamillion | jlaska: happy to be here :) | 16:29 |
| jlaska | maxamillion: cwickert and nirik were just discussing updates to the XFCE4.8 test day wiki | 16:29 |
| adamw | dgilmore: thanks | 16:29 |
| jlaska | I was going to ask if there were any issues that might prevent test contributions for the XFCE test day | 16:29 |
| jlaska | I gather we'll find out shortly with TC2 | 16:30 |
| cwickert | I might be busy, But I'll try t obe around | 16:30 |
| jlaska | anything else we need to discuss for our first double header test day week? | 16:30 |
| maxamillion | jlaska: ah, ok ... thanks for the ping :) | 16:30 |
| * nirik will also try and be around... more tests/fixes on the wiki welcome. | 16:30 | |
| adamw | does xfce use gdm as login manager? | 16:30 |
| nirik | we should probibly advertise to upstream lists as well as the fedora xfce list. | 16:30 |
| nirik | adamw: yes. | 16:30 |
| maxamillion | I will be around but there will certainly be times I'm away | 16:30 |
| maxamillion | adamw: yes | 16:30 |
| jlaska | adamw: oh right, flashing gdm bug? | 16:31 |
| maxamillion | bah! too slwo | 16:31 |
| maxamillion | slow* | 16:31 |
| adamw | jlaska: right, that's what i was thinking about | 16:31 |
| nirik | adamw: is the 'can't login to anything but gnome' going to be fixed before then? I hope so. ;( | 16:31 |
| adamw | last report in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=674978 is that that bug isn't fixed yet | 16:31 |
| adamw | nirik: is there a bug for that? | 16:31 |
| adamw | ping halfline | 16:31 |
| nirik | I think so, but don't have it off hand. | 16:31 |
| jlaska | I just pinged halfline earlier today, he's back in action after being under the weather | 16:32 |
| jlaska | so hopefully we can get some help wijth that flashy gdm issue | 16:32 |
| * dgilmore notes that we freeze for alpha tomorrow | 16:32 | |
| * nirik wishes we could switch to lxdm or something so we would not need to bother gdm folks, but that never seems to be possible. ;( | 16:32 | |
| adamw | jlaska: ah thanks | 16:33 |
| jlaska | alright ... anything else we want to note? | 16:33 |
| adamw | dgilmore: the gdm crash is marked as a blocker so it goes through the freeze | 16:33 |
| dgilmore | adamw: right | 16:33 |
| adamw | nirik: if you find the 'can't launch anything but gnome' bug mark it as f15alpha-accepted so we can get it through the freeze also | 16:33 |
| jlaska | #info XFCE test day may be impacted by gdm bug -- https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=674978 (halftline investigating) | 16:33 |
| dgilmore | adamw: its going to need special handling | 16:33 |
| jlaska | #undo | 16:33 |
| zodbot | Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x2b02601ca490> | 16:33 |
| jlaska | #info XFCE test day may be impacted by gdm bug -- https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=674978 (halfline investigating) | 16:33 |
| cwickert | is halfline actually working on this? | 16:34 |
| jlaska | still waiting for confirmation ... we may want ot reach out on #fedora-devel so we don't all bombard him | 16:34 |
| * cwickert sees no comment from him in the bug report and it is still new | 16:34 | |
| jlaska | cwickert: he was ill last week, but should be back now | 16:34 |
| cwickert | I see | 16:35 |
| cwickert | nirik: btw: I cannot boot the latest xfce nightly | 16:35 |
| nirik | cwickert: doesn't even boot? or you get the gdm flashing issue? | 16:35 |
| cwickert | nirik: it doesn't boot completely: "plymouthd: could not log bootup: address already in use" | 16:36 |
| jlaska | cwickert: that should be noice | 16:36 |
| jlaska | noise | 16:36 |
| adamw | yeah that's not the error | 16:36 |
| adamw | it always says that | 16:36 |
| adamw | anyway, shall we follow it up out of meeting? | 16:37 |
| nirik | yeah, thats "normal" | 16:37 |
| cwickert | ok | 16:37 |
| jlaska | alright, moving on ... | 16:37 |
| jlaska | #topic Thu, Feb 17 - Alpha RC testing starts | 16:37 |
| jlaska | As dgilmore noted earlier, we're expecting a TC2 compose sometime today that will have post-branch, post-mass-rebuild content | 16:38 |
| dgilmore | jlaska: we wont have KDE livecds | 16:38 |
| dgilmore | but we will have everything else | 16:38 |
| jlaska | Given the enormous amount of change, I suspect we'll need to run through the release validation matrix again | 16:38 |
| adamw | dgilmore: what's up with kde? | 16:38 |
| dgilmore | adamw: broken deps | 16:39 |
| adamw | jlaska: definitely +1 to that | 16:39 |
| jlaska | stay tuned to test-announce@ for updates and new images | 16:39 |
| adamw | dgilmore: ah, did you talk to kde team? | 16:39 |
| dgilmore | adamw: yep rdieter is working on getting it fixed | 16:39 |
| jlaska | #info F-15-Alpha-TC2 expected today - includes mass rebuild and branched release changes | 16:39 |
| jlaska | we can land live images whenever they are available, right? | 16:39 |
| jlaska | updated live images, I mean | 16:39 |
| adamw | dgilmore: cool. i guess we can add a note for desktop validation saying 'test a nightly'. | 16:40 |
| dgilmore | jlaska: yeah | 16:40 |
| dgilmore | adamw: nightly should fail the same | 16:40 |
| adamw | or do that! | 16:40 |
| adamw | dgilmore: right, but when the deps are fixed, the next one won't. | 16:40 |
| dgilmore | adamw: sure | 16:40 |
| jlaska | anything else we want to review on this topic? | 16:41 |
| jlaska | new TC2 images, then RC1 images | 16:41 |
| dgilmore | busy week | 16:41 |
| jlaska | that's how we like it, right? :D | 16:41 |
| jlaska | dgilmore: btw ... kudos for your work with the branching+rebuild | 16:42 |
| adamw | yup thanks a ton | 16:42 |
| dgilmore | jlaska: just doing my job :) | 16:42 |
| jlaska | dgilmore: even with the RC1 on the schedule for Friday, we can't build ISO images until we have no unresolved blocker bugs, right? | 16:43 |
| jlaska | at least, that's what we've followed for previous releases | 16:43 |
| * jlaska suspects no reason we need to adjust that this time | 16:43 | |
| dgilmore | jlaska: well there is no point in making isos if the blockers are not fixed | 16:44 |
| dgilmore | or we at least think there fixed | 16:44 |
| jlaska | dgilmore: right on | 16:44 |
| jlaska | dgilmore: I put some queries for the bugs we are tracking in https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/4425 | 16:44 |
| dgilmore | jlaska: awesome thanks | 16:44 |
| jlaska | lemme know if those are helpful, or if you want other views | 16:44 |
| dgilmore | i will do | 16:45 |
| jlaska | alright, happy testing all! | 16:45 |
| jlaska | next topic ... | 16:45 |
| jlaska | #topic Fri, Feb 18 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (f15alpha) #4 | 16:45 |
| rbergeron | woot | 16:45 |
| jlaska | #info We held our first blocker IRC meeting last Friday -- http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2011-02-11/f15alpha-bug-review.2011-02-11-17.00.html | 16:46 |
| jlaska | we had good participation in the meeting, thank you all | 16:46 |
| adamw | dgilmore: jlaska: i believe our process is not to spin RCs till all existing blockers are addressed, right? | 16:46 |
| jlaska | really helps having active meeting participation, or updated bugs | 16:46 |
| jlaska | adamw: yup, that's my understanding too | 16:46 |
| jlaska | adamw: just wanted to confirm | 16:46 |
| jlaska | so the first blocker meetings in a release are always painful | 16:47 |
| jlaska | 2 hours | 16:47 |
| dgilmore | it was productive though | 16:48 |
| jlaska | plus, my fingers aren't the fastest ... so that's a limiting factor :) | 16:48 |
| jlaska | dgilmore: +1 definitely | 16:48 |
| adamw | much less painful if you don't show up! | 16:48 |
| jsmith | adamw: Zinger! | 16:48 |
| jlaska | adamw: a well deserved absence! | 16:48 |
| jlaska | so ... rinse and repeat this friday | 16:48 |
| jlaska | Try to be proactive and responsive to any bugs you have on the blocker list | 16:49 |
| jlaska | be on the lookout for requests for debug information, or test feedback from maintainers | 16:49 |
| jlaska | and don't be afraid to hug a maintainer | 16:49 |
| jlaska | they are people too! | 16:49 |
| jlaska | just some reminder links for the casual reader ... | 16:49 |
| jlaska | #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting | 16:49 |
| jlaska | #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_blocker_bug_process | 16:50 |
| jlaska | #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_nth_bug_process | 16:50 |
| jlaska | alright ... anything else folks wanted to higlight on the blocker meetings? | 16:50 |
| jlaska | we had a few folks doing their first fedora blocker meetings this time, hopefully I didn't scare them (rbergeron, tflink, dgilmore) | 16:51 |
| jlaska | okay ... time for open discussion (with 9 minutes to spare) | 16:51 |
| jlaska | #topic Open discussion - <Your topic here> | 16:51 |
| dgilmore | jlaska: im not easily scared | 16:51 |
| jlaska | Are there any topics folks would like to discuss that haven't already been touched on? | 16:51 |
| tflink | jlaska: I've seen far worse :) | 16:51 |
| rbergeron | ;) | 16:51 |
| jlaska | tflink: dgilmore: careful, we haven't hit the mother of all blocker meetings yet! | 16:51 |
| rbergeron | lol | 16:52 |
| jlaska | any meeting with popcorn and intermission == pain | 16:52 |
| adamw | what's our record? eight hours or so? | 16:52 |
| jlaska | I don't remember, part of me died that day | 16:53 |
| adamw | haha | 16:53 |
| tflink | 8 hours? Oh my ... | 16:53 |
| jlaska | I like to say it was the part that could spell properly | 16:53 |
| jlaska | adamw: ^^ :) | 16:53 |
| jsmith | :-p | 16:53 |
| jlaska | okay ... I'm going to set the fuse for 3 minutes ... | 16:54 |
| jlaska | let's close out the meeting in 3 minutes unless there are any new topics raised | 16:54 |
| jlaska | T - 2 minutes ... | 16:55 |
| * jlaska queues the musak | 16:55 | |
| jlaska | T - 1 minute ... | 16:56 |
| jlaska | jskladan: vhumpa: glad you both are feeling better | 16:56 |
| jlaska | thanks everyone for your time ... | 16:56 |
| jlaska | and good luck testing and rigorously applying the Alpha release criteria this week :D | 16:56 |
| jlaska | #endmeeting | 16:57 |
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