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Attendees

People present (lines said):

  1. jlaska (115)
  2. rbergeron (15)
  3. tflink (14)
  4. kparal (11)
  5. brunowolff (10)
  6. vhumpa (7)
  7. jsmith (4)
  8. thomasj (2)

Unable to attend:

  1. Rhe (hopefully sleeping)
  2. Hongqing (hopefully sleeping)
  3. Twu (hopefully sleeping)

Agenda

Previous meeting follow-up

Thursday, March 17 - F-15 pre-beta acceptance test

Upcoming QA events

Tuesday, March 22 - Beta 'Test Compose'

Thursday, March 24 - Power Management Test Day

Friday, March 25 - F-15-Beta Blocker #3

Tuesday, March 29 - Printing Test Day

Thursday, March 31 - ABRT RetraceServer Test Day

Open discussion - <Your topic here>

  1. tflink provided an update on reaching out xen@ for thoughts on providing F-15 xen-virt test cases
  2. jlaska reached out to design-team on bug#677080 ('F14' artwork is shown during F-15 installation)
  3. kparal has some exciting news queued ... stay tuned to planet.fp.org and test@ (UPDATE - https://kparal.wordpress.com/2011/03/21/autoqa-will-be-providing-comments-for-fedora-updates-really-soon/)
  4. brunowolff asked about the status of the QA Test Day Spin - the kickstart is used as the basis for custom-built test day live images

Action items

  1. jlaska - provide updated boot.iso for testing new lorax+anaconda builds so testers can provide karma
  2. tflink to check in with twaugh on preparations for printing test day
  3. kparal to check with jmoskovc what is needed about ABRT test day

IRC Log

jlaska #startmeeting Fedora Quality Assurance meeting 15:00
zodbot Meeting started Mon Mar 21 15:00:24 2011 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00
zodbot Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00
jlaska #meetingname fedora-qa 15:00
zodbot The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' 15:00
jlaska #topic Roll call... 15:00
* brunowolff is here 15:00
* tflink is here 15:00
* kparal here again 15:00
jlaska Howdy folks ... show of electronic hands time 15:00
jlaska <jazz hands> 15:00
* jsmith is here 15:00
vhumpa \me is here too 15:00
vhumpa snap :) 15:01
* vhumpa is here too 15:01
* rbergeron waves 15:02
jlaska howdy brunowolff tflink kparal jsmith vhumpa rbergeron  :) 15:02
jlaska who are we missing ... 15:02
jlaska Viking-Ice, robatino, jskladan and adamw 15:03
jlaska anyone else I'm unintentionally forgetting? 15:03
vhumpa I guess the chinese folk never joins :) 15:03
jlaska vhumpa: no ... this meeting time is very *inconvenient* for them :( 15:04
jlaska anyone interesting in hosting a Beijing-friendly meeting time :) 15:04
jlaska okay, let's get moving 15:05
jlaska I don't have any big updates on the agenda, and didn't send out the agenda until this morning 15:05
jlaska which I fully recognize does not provide ample notice for folks to pitch topics 15:05
* jlaska will don the cone of shame 15:05
jlaska #topic Previous meeting follow-up 15:06
jlaska I have no notes from our previous meeting 15:06
* thomasj lurks 15:06
jlaska Perhaps a check-in to see if Viking-Ice has heard back on his bugzilla RFE (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=679898) 15:07
jlaska thomasj: welcome :) 15:07
thomasj o/ :) 15:07
jlaska anything else I'm missing from last week 15:07
jlaska if not ... let's move on 15:07
jlaska #topic Thursday, March 17 - F-15 pre-beta acceptance test 15:08
jlaska Just a quick status update on last weeks pre-beta acceptance milestone 15:08
jlaska #link https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/4530 15:08
jlaska #info Unfortunately, due to several issues, the milestone was missed 15:08
jlaska I've noted it on the QA retrospective page, along with the two issues I think directly contributed to the miss 15:09
jlaska .bug 684742 15:09
zodbot jlaska: Bug 684742 glibc dynamic library loading bug causes installs to fail - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=684742 15:09
jlaska and https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/572 15:09
jlaska #info The first issue (684742), has a new lorax build pending testing - https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/lorax-0.3.2-1.fc15 15:09
jlaska I don't know the latest on the NM-0.9 change, other than the anaconda team will be reverting their NM-0.9 patches and submitting a new anaconda build so we can proceed with our upcoming test milestones 15:10
jlaska if anyone has the latest on the NM-0.9, feel free to share 15:10
jlaska okay, this sounds like it's going to be a quick meeting :) 15:11
jlaska bueller ... 15:11
jlaska I'll touch on the upcoming F-15-Beta 'test compose' milestone in a moment ... 15:12
jlaska #topic Upcoming QA events 15:12
jlaska #info Tuesday, March 22 - Beta 'Test Compose' 15:12
jlaska #link https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/4533 15:12
* kparal celebrates new compose to test! :-) 15:12
jlaska Obviously, this milestone, scheduled to start tomorrow, is impacted by the same stuff that blocked last weeks test milestone 15:12
* rbergeron nods 15:13
jlaska so if we can get a new anaconda today, and have it and lorax tested in bodhi ... we should be good to go 15:13
rbergeron And if we don't? :) 15:13
jlaska DOOM! 15:13
rbergeron OH NOES 15:13
jsmith Yeah... let's hope we can get all the ducks in a row 15:13
jlaska well, certainly not DOOM ... but missing two milestones in a row tends to be a good indicator 15:13
jsmith Yeah... it makes me nervous 15:14
jlaska I hate always forcing ourselves into needing miracles to get things out 15:14
rbergeron http://www.beefymiracle.com <-- might be helpful if we need a miracle 15:14
tflink well, we just have to ramp up pixie dust production 15:14
rbergeron actually, scratch that. 15:14
jlaska This is a great time to plug the retrospective ... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_QA_Retrospective :) 15:14
rbergeron http://www.beefymiracle.org :) 15:14
jlaska tflink: indeed! 15:14
brunowolff Gnome3 and systemd are big changes. 15:14
jlaska they sure are 15:15
* rbergeron nods 15:15
jlaska on the meeting wiki, I have the F-15-Beta 'test compose' listed as AT-RISK 15:15
jlaska but if we line up fixes for the issues discussed, that most likely would move to "WINNING!" 15:15
rbergeron jlaska: how likely are we thinking it is to get a new anaconda and get it and lorax tested? 15:15
rbergeron (today) 15:16
jlaska rbergeron: clumens and I are testing custom-built images right now ... so that will account for 2 karma points 15:16
jlaska I can send a link to the boot.iso to test@ for anyone else who has time to provide karma 15:16
jlaska I *think* that's all we'll need to ensure those updates are tested and moved into the 'stable' repo 15:16
tflink I can test it out for another karma point 15:17
rbergeron jlaska: sure, and if you want to send me a short "something to say" I can push it out on twitter/identi.ca 15:17
jlaska tflink: okay, I'll make a note to send this to the list later today 15:17
jlaska rbergeron: good thinking, I'll let you know 15:17
jlaska #action jlaska - provide updated boot.iso for testing new lorax+anaconda builds so testers can provide karma 15:17
jlaska next up ... 15:17
jlaska #info Thursday, March 24 - Power Management Test Day 15:17
jlaska #link http://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/170 15:17
jlaska #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-03-24 15:18
jlaska Kudos to jskarvad, the test day wiki looks in good shape 15:18
* rbergeron nods 15:18
jlaska There are a good list of test cases, so it seems we'll just need to get the word out next 15:18
* kparal is curious about hibernation results 15:19
jlaska if anyone wants to blog about the event ... please don't hesitate 15:19
jlaska #info Friday, March 25 - F-15-Beta Blocker #3 15:19
jlaska #link See task#36 - http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-15/f-15-quality-tasks.html 15:19
jlaska the blocker train continues this Friday for the third installment of the blocker reviews 15:20
jlaska thanks to all who join and help make these meetings less painful! 15:20
jlaska and thanks to testers/maintainers who provide clear + concise details in the bug that help us determine the impact 15:20
jlaska The proposed list is looking small-ish presently ... but I suspect will change once we have installer images to test 15:21
jlaska Two test days scheduled for next week ... 15:22
jlaska #info Tuesday, March 29 - Printing Test Day - http://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/172 15:22
jlaska This needs an update, anyone want to volunteer to check-in with twaugh? 15:22
jlaska anyone? 15:23
tflink I can do that 15:23
jlaska tflink: sweet, thanks! 15:24
jlaska tflink: feel free to #action yourself 15:24
jlaska tflink: I think we just need a reminder to twaugh that the event is coming and a pointer to the SOP 15:24
jlaska #info Thursday, March 31 - ABRT RetraceServer Test Day - http://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/165 15:24
tflink #action tflink to check in with twaugh on preparations for printing test day 15:25
jlaska the ABRT retrace server support will be pretty cool, I'm looking forward to this test day 15:25
jlaska tflink: thx 15:25
jlaska #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-03-31_ABRT_Retrace_Server 15:25
tflink jlaska: np 15:25
jlaska I know we have plenty of test cases for ABRT already, but I don't know if updates are needed for the new retrace-server support 15:25
kparal I can talk to the guys if something is needed about this test day 15:26
kparal I have them here locally 15:26
jlaska kparal: you beat me to it .. 15:26
jlaska kparal: do you mind checking in with jmoskovc to see what he needs 15:26
jlaska kparal: if massive wiki test case updates are needed, lemme know, I might be able to script something for convenience 15:27
kparal #action kparal to check with jmoskovc what is needed about ABRT test day 15:27
jlaska Well ... that concludes my QA events boring topic :) 15:27
jlaska now on to stuff from you folks ... 15:27
jlaska #topic Open discussion - <your topic here> 15:27
jlaska kparal: thanks for grabbing that #action 15:27
jlaska Anything not already discussed that folks want to raise in the meeting? 15:28
tflink I sent an email to xen@ to ask about dom0 support status for F15 15:28
tflink and asking them to help create some test cases 15:28
jlaska Oh right, have you heard back? 15:28
tflink I got a pretty ambiguous response back, though and it's not clear what support is going to look like 15:29
tflink from what I can tell, there won't be full mainline kernel support until .40 15:29
jlaska tflink: are the changes user-visible ... aside from switching a flag to virt-install ? 15:29
tflink not sure, the easiest way to find out might be to just install it myself and see if it works 15:30
jlaska tflink: and .38 will be F-15 GA, right? 15:30
brunowolff I can 15:30
tflink I hope we don't slip far enough to get .39 15:30
brunowolff I can't see us having .39 by release. 15:30
brunowolff But we should be at least at 40 for f16. 15:30
jlaska #info tflink provided an update on reaching out xen@ for thoughts on providing F-15 xen-virt test cases 15:30
jlaska brunowolff: yeah, I would think so 15:30
tflink most of the kernel stuff will be in by .39 which should work for xen dom0 with some extra user level driver packages 15:31
jlaska tflink: thanks for following up on that 15:31
tflink jlaska: np 15:31
jlaska #info jlaska reached out to design-team on bug#677080 ('F14' artwork is shown during F-15 installation) 15:32
jlaska I still need to get a hold of someone, just to make sure that's on their radar 15:32
jlaska anything else folks want to share? 15:33
* rbergeron holds out a plate of cookies 15:33
jlaska cookie! 15:33
* jlaska suspect kparal has some news to share ... but that'll be landing next week 15:34
kparal actually this week, as blog and emails to mailing list 15:34
jlaska cool, can't wait to hear the news!! 15:35
kparal  :) 15:35
* jlaska doesn't want to spoil the surprise 15:35
vhumpa Getting married? ;-) 15:35
jlaska hopa! 15:35
rbergeron hopa? 15:35
jlaska #info kparal has some exciting news queued ... stay tuned to planet.fp.org and test@ 15:35
kparal vhumpa: married for work, you mean, right? :) 15:36
vhumpa I hope that is not the case, cause that would totally screw the surprise :) 15:36
vhumpa Yes, and divorcing with your take-a-break applet ;) 15:36
brunowolff Have you guys been using the QA Test Spin this cycle? 15:36
jlaska rbergeron: sorry, bad humor ... isn't that a popular wedding phrase for greek weddings? 15:36
kparal gnome-shell is about to eat that applet 15:36
brunowolff Does it need any changes? 15:36
jlaska brunowolff: iirc, that spin kickstart is the basis for any custom test day live images 15:37
kparal brunowolff: I think adamw built it this cycle a few times, but I'm not completely sure 15:37
brunowolff That should be Test Day Spin. 15:37
jlaska yeah 15:37
rbergeron i think it's opa :) 15:37
jlaska #info brunowolff asked about the status of the QA Test Day Spin - the kickstart is used as the basis for custom-built test day live images 15:37
jlaska rbergeron: that's the one :) 15:37
brunowolff OK. I was just checking, since I am sort of on the hook for that and figured I should check every once 15:38
* jlaska shows he's not greek 15:38
brunowolff in a while to make sure things are OK with it. 15:38
jlaska brunowolff: thanks for asking about that 15:38
jlaska okay gang ... I'm setting the fuse for 2 minutes 15:39
jlaska if no other topics, we'll close out for today 15:39
jlaska #topic Last call ... (2mins) 15:39
jlaska 1 minute until #endmeeting 15:40
* jsmith has nothing further to add 15:40
jlaska okay, thanks everyone 15:42
jlaska I'll send minutes to the list as usual 15:42
jlaska #endmeeting 15:42

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