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Fedora QA meeting for 30 May 2011
Attendees
People present (lines said):
- vhumpa1 (81)
- j_dulaney (67)
- adamw (63)
- mathezula (5)
- nirik (2)
- Nushio (1)
- fenrus02 (1)
Unable to attend:
- Rhe (hopefully sleeping)
- Hongqing (hopefully sleeping)
- wutao85 (hopefully sleeping)
- jskladan
- kparal
- tflink (public holiday)
- jlaska (public holiday)
Agenda
Previous meeting follow-up
Security test cases from athmane
- Security test cases from athmane:
Release criteria updates
- F16 pages created:
a new final release criterion: A spin-kickstarts package which contains the exact kickstart files used to build the release must be present in the release repository. The included kickstarts must define the correct set of release repositories
a new final criterion: A fedora-release package and a generic-release package appropriately versioned and containing the correct names, information and repository configuration for a final Fedora release (as opposed to a pre-release) must be present in the release repository
- Tasks:
- make sure we have tests for the new criteria:
- Ask desktop team about changing similar menu names
- adamw to talk to desktop teams about too-similar menu names (NOTE: changed to vhumpa later)
Last call for F-15 QA retrospective input
AutoQA updates
- We have still been working on the revised logs and also merged depcheck "pretty" by jskladan into pretty branch.
- basically we have been finishing up stuff that we have been working on for three weeks now
- kparal has been reworking test.py architecture and all the tests along with it extensively as well as introduced changes in the e-mail sending
- pretty log has been changed to html and we have added a possibility for highlighting which will be used especially from depcheck
- Task: get back at Tim for the spam reduction updates and a time estimate of merging that together with the logging changes in the master so we can release
IPv6 Test Day
- wiki page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Day:2011-06-08_IPv6
- World IPv6 Day is happening on june 8 so we have decided to have a fedora IPv6 test day as well
- Task: Everybody to keep in mind that ipv6 test day and trac ticket might need some prettying up and separating out into test cases and generally we should go through them to see if they are complete in time
Open Discussion - <your topic here>
IRC Log
| vhumpa1 | #startmeeting Fedora Quality Assurance Meeting | 15:08 |
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| zodbot | Meeting started Mon May 30 15:08:27 2011 UTC. The chair is vhumpa1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:08 |
| zodbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. | 15:08 |
| * j_dulaney has never chaired a meeting before | 15:08 | |
| * vhumpa1 neither | 15:08 | |
| vhumpa1 | Okay, let's do the roll-up | 15:09 |
| vhumpa1 | Something tells me it won't be big :-) | 15:09 |
| * j_dulaney is here | 15:10 | |
| vhumpa1 | Anybody else present? | 15:10 |
| * Nushio is present | 15:10 | |
| vhumpa1 | Nushio: greetings | 15:11 |
| vhumpa1 | #meetingname Fedora Quality Assurance Meeting | 15:11 |
| zodbot | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_quality_assurance_meeting' | 15:11 |
| j_dulaney | #topic Security Lab Tests | 15:12 |
| vhumpa1 | If that is let's start walking through the proposed agenda | 15:12 |
| vhumpa1 | #topic Security test cases from athmane | 15:12 |
| j_dulaney | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_OpenVAS | 15:13 |
| vhumpa1 | Athmane? | 15:13 |
| j_dulaney | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Rkhunter | 15:13 |
| j_dulaney | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Nikto | 15:13 |
| j_dulaney | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_HTTPing | 15:13 |
| j_dulaney | I don't see anything specifically wrong with them. | 15:14 |
| vhumpa1 | #addchair j_dulaney | 15:14 |
| j_dulaney | I reckon I should #info those | 15:15 |
| vhumpa1 | j_dulaney: good idea | 15:15 |
| j_dulaney | #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_HTTPing https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Nikto https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Rkhunter https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_OpenVAS | 15:15 |
| j_dulaney | Testing in each case seems straightforward. | 15:16 |
| vhumpa1 | j_dulaney: Looks like I need to add you as a chairman | 15:16 |
| vhumpa1 | #chair j_dulaney | 15:16 |
| zodbot | Current chairs: j_dulaney vhumpa1 | 15:16 |
| vhumpa1 | #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_HTTPing https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Nikto https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Rkhunter https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_OpenVAS | 15:16 |
| vhumpa1 | Okay, let's move on. This one is likely going to be short :) And a bust :) | 15:17 |
| j_dulaney | #topic Release criteria updates | 15:18 |
| vhumpa1 | Would be great if we had adamw here | 15:19 |
| vhumpa1 | Anybody wants to sum up the Release Criteria updates here? | 15:19 |
| j_dulaney | Looking | 15:22 |
| vhumpa1 | I see that F16 criteria pages have been created http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_16_Alpha_Release_Criteria | 15:22 |
| vhumpa1 | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_16_Beta_Release_Criteria | 15:22 |
| j_dulaney | Indeed | 15:23 |
| vhumpa1 | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_16_Final_Release_Criteria | 15:23 |
| j_dulaney | Have they been updated with the new criteria? | 15:23 |
| j_dulaney | C'est la question | 15:23 |
| vhumpa1 | to quote adamw: two more criteria agreed in the October 2010 discussion that we failed to put in | 15:23 |
| vhumpa1 | in the final | 15:24 |
| j_dulaney | http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-May/099787.html | 15:24 |
| vhumpa1 | alpha: add logger criterion recently discussed on list | 15:24 |
| vhumpa1 | And the beta criteria remain unchanged | 15:25 |
| j_dulaney | Final, no Other menu has been removed | 15:25 |
| vhumpa1 | Also: No application may unintentionally appear twice in the menus. In particular, items under System must not appear under Applications in the Final | 15:26 |
| j_dulaney | I should say, the criteria that there be no 'Other' menu. | 15:26 |
| vhumpa1 | Although I am not sure whether these are not the ones already changed in F15. Any idea about those talked about " in October"? | 15:27 |
| j_dulaney | Can't remember, but I think they've been propogated | 15:27 |
| adamw | yo | 15:27 |
| adamw | oh sorry folks i didn't realize someone was running a meeting! my bad | 15:28 |
| j_dulaney | Adamw saves us from the insanity | 15:28 |
| vhumpa1 | Hey adam! | 15:28 |
| vhumpa1 | Wanna take over? :) | 15:28 |
| adamw | no, carry on | 15:28 |
| vhumpa1 | Make it a little less of an catastrophe? :) | 15:28 |
| adamw | hey, looks fine to me | 15:28 |
| adamw | i think you summed up the updates fine | 15:28 |
| vhumpa1 | okay, do you have any notes on the release criteria revisions? | 15:29 |
| j_dulaney | Adamw: these release criteria changes that happened in October, have they been propogated to F16? | 15:29 |
| adamw | there'll probably be more coming, we should go back over the suggestions from the desktop team | 15:29 |
| adamw | yes, that's where i put them - i didn't change the f15 criteria, there's no point since f15 is done | 15:29 |
| j_dulaney | Indeed | 15:29 |
| vhumpa1 | #info a new criterion: A spin-kickstarts package which contains the exact kickstart files used to build the release must be present in the release repository. The included kickstarts must define the correct set of release repositories | 15:30 |
| vhumpa1 | #info a new final criterion: A fedora-release package and a generic-release package appropriately versioned and containing the correct names, information and repository configuration for a final Fedora release (as opposed to a pre-release) must be present in the release repository | 15:31 |
| adamw | one thing with all these new criteria is to make sure we have validation tests that cover them: we have https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/151 for that | 15:31 |
| vhumpa1 | #action make sure we have tests for the new criteria: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/151 | 15:32 |
| j_dulaney | I've a quick proposal: Have a criterion that forbids names that are too similar. | 15:32 |
| adamw | names, as in...menu entry names? | 15:32 |
| j_dulaney | adamw: Indeed | 15:33 |
| adamw | i definitely like the idea of trying to squelch annoyingly-similar names | 15:33 |
| j_dulaney | For instance, as has been recently pointed out, Software Update and Software Updates | 15:33 |
| adamw | personally i think the desktop criteria kinda go too far as is, but they came in from the desktop team so i kept them... | 15:33 |
| adamw | yeah, and there's Terminal / Terminal | 15:33 |
| adamw | and some of the system-config-* apps have the same name as GNOME control panel applets | 15:33 |
| * nirik is still sad Xfce named their terminal Terminal. ;( | 15:34 | |
| adamw | (Date & Time is one I think) | 15:34 |
| j_dulaney | Indeed | 15:34 |
| vhumpa1 | also KDE system monitor has the same name | 15:34 |
| vhumpa1 | Although I doubt we can do anything about that | 15:34 |
| adamw | personally i'm not sure if the release criteria is the right place for it, but we could ask desktop team what they think | 15:34 |
| adamw | and maybe try and get the desktops to work together and compromise a bit (as I guess it'll be hard to choose who 'wins' the generic name for things) | 15:34 |
| j_dulaney | #action Ask desktop team about changing similar menu names | 15:34 |
| vhumpa1 | adamw: At least we should make sure that this doesnt happen in the fresh Desktop installation | 15:35 |
| j_dulaney | Indeed. | 15:35 |
| adamw | yeah i'd definitely like to avoid it | 15:35 |
| j_dulaney | There are plenty of instances within just Gnome | 15:35 |
| vhumpa1 | Live image one... hard to do anything about custom DVD installs | 15:35 |
| adamw | that might be a good standard to try and meet, yeah | 15:36 |
| j_dulaney | +1 for such | 15:36 |
| adamw | i'll take an action item to talk to the desktop teams about it if you like? or anyone else can | 15:36 |
| j_dulaney | #action adamw to talk to desktop teams about too-similar menu names | 15:37 |
| vhumpa1 | adamw: I am little less around here nowadays but if you want, I can do that too | 15:37 |
| adamw | i'll chat to you about it after the meeting maybe | 15:37 |
| vhumpa1 | Okay | 15:37 |
| adamw | (quickly, i know it's close to leaving time :>) | 15:38 |
| vhumpa1 | adamw: I am not even working today :) | 15:38 |
| adamw | "i'm not even supposed to BE here today!" | 15:38 |
| adamw | i do have one topic if we're done with the criteria, btw | 15:38 |
| vhumpa1 | okay, anything else on the topic? | 15:38 |
| j_dulaney | Right | 15:38 |
| j_dulaney | Nothing | 15:39 |
| vhumpa1 | Next one should be "Last call for F-15 QA retrospective input", but we can put yours in there right now | 15:39 |
| adamw | no, that's fine, i'll go at the end | 15:39 |
| vhumpa1 | Okay | 15:39 |
| j_dulaney | #topic Last call for F-15 QA retrospective input | 15:40 |
| vhumpa1 | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_QA_Retrospective | 15:40 |
| j_dulaney | I'm assuming this means that if we haven't dropped said input soon, it will be ignored | 15:40 |
| vhumpa1 | There is where we put notes on all that we think went well and wrong around the F15 cycle | 15:40 |
| adamw | j_dulaney: pretty much - jlaska usually takes the input, summarizes it, and turns it into trac tickets, and i guess this means he's planning to do that soon | 15:41 |
| vhumpa1 | So by the topic name :-) I guess now is the time for anybody to sugest some additions | 15:41 |
| * j_dulaney has nothing new | 15:42 | |
| adamw | well, also it's just a heads-up to get anything in in the next few days, doesn't have to happen during the meeting :) | 15:42 |
| adamw | i think i have all my stuff in there already. | 15:42 |
| * vhumpa1 things it looks pretty solid by now | 15:43 | |
| vhumpa1 | thinks^^ | 15:43 |
| * vhumpa1 sticks his head in the sand :-) | 15:43 | |
| j_dulaney | See any oil? | 15:44 |
| vhumpa1 | I wish :-) | 15:44 |
| adamw | hehe | 15:44 |
| vhumpa1 | Right, looks like we can move on | 15:44 |
| mathezula | what's the topic for this meeting? its my first fedora-meeting | 15:44 |
| vhumpa1 | #topic AutoQA updates | 15:45 |
| j_dulaney | mathezula: Fedora QA | 15:45 |
| mathezula | pertaining to packages only or support practices? | 15:45 |
| adamw | mathezula: we cover various topics | 15:45 |
| adamw | this bit is a little update from the autoqa team about what they've been working on lately | 15:45 |
| vhumpa1 | mathezula: pretty much anything around Fedora life cycle | 15:45 |
| vhumpa1 | Bad boy Kamil for not being here :-) | 15:46 |
| adamw | usually kamil paral does it, but i think he's away today...so i guess vhumpa will? | 15:46 |
| vhumpa1 | but I think i can do some | 15:46 |
| mathezula | i have some concerns about operator behavior in the main fedora support channel on this network. is this covered? (p.s. are you adam williamson? :D :D) | 15:46 |
| adamw | mathezula: yes, that's me, and no, we don't supervise #fedora | 15:47 |
| adamw | mathezula: that would probably be something to bring up with the Board, the supervision of #fedora is a bit...unclear | 15:47 |
| vhumpa1 | #info We have still been working on the revised logs and also merged depcheck "pretty" by jskladan into pretty branch. | 15:47 |
| j_dulaney | Noice | 15:48 |
| adamw | yay | 15:48 |
| mathezula | alrighty. im trying to figure out how that all works. bear with me while i ooze newbiness. | 15:48 |
| * j_dulaney likes the html pretties | 15:48 | |
| vhumpa1 | #info basically we have been finishing up stuff that we have been working on for three weeks now | 15:48 |
| j_dulaney | mathezula It's all good | 15:48 |
| mathezula | also adamw i love your work. you're a role model in the community. | 15:48 |
| j_dulaney | vhumpa1: Do you reckon a new release may be forthcoming? | 15:49 |
| vhumpa1 | #info pretty log has been changed to html and we have added a possibility for highlighting which will be used especially from depcheck | 15:49 |
| j_dulaney | How's the bodhi spam situation? | 15:49 |
| vhumpa1 | j_dulaney: I think we are up to 0.5.0 this week | 15:49 |
| j_dulaney | Noice | 15:49 |
| vhumpa1 | I am not sure on the spam reduction though | 15:49 |
| vhumpa1 | Tim has been working on that quite separately | 15:50 |
| adamw | okay | 15:50 |
| * j_dulaney wonders if y'all should try to get that in | 15:50 | |
| adamw | tell him to be more sociable :D | 15:50 |
| vhumpa1 | So, 0.5.0 really depends on how far that is and how the merge will end up | 15:50 |
| vhumpa1 | But it's just a gut feeling, that it's doing good :) | 15:51 |
| j_dulaney | Noice | 15:52 |
| vhumpa1 | #action get back at Tim for the spam reduction updates and and a time estimate of merging that together with the logging changes in the master so we can release | 15:52 |
| vhumpa1 | Quite likely that kparal is well informed on this | 15:53 |
| * j_dulaney would suspect so; kparal knows things | 15:53 | |
| adamw | cool, sounds like it's all moving in the right direction | 15:53 |
| * vhumpa1 plus 1 | 15:54 | |
| vhumpa1 | as far as I am concerned, we can move on | 15:54 |
| adamw | alrighty | 15:54 |
| j_dulaney | #topic Open Discussion (Put your topic here) | 15:54 |
| j_dulaney | Did I spell that right? | 15:55 |
| vhumpa1 | j_dulaney: Ah, we're here already? YAY | 15:55 |
| adamw | yup | 15:55 |
| adamw | so i guess i'll put mine in here | 15:55 |
| vhumpa1 | adamw: your topic | 15:55 |
| adamw | we have an out-of-cycle test day coming up soon, for IPv6 | 15:55 |
| adamw | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Day:2011-06-08_IPv6 | 15:55 |
| j_dulaney | #topic IPv6 Test Day | 15:55 |
| adamw | and trac ticket https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/192 | 15:55 |
| vhumpa1 | #info wiki page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Day:2011-06-08_IPv6 | 15:56 |
| adamw | it's World IPv6 Day on june 8 so i got a proposal from within RH to have a fedora IPv6 test day - it seemed like a good idea | 15:56 |
| adamw | so it's being put together via trac ticket and wiki page as usual | 15:56 |
| fenrus02 | w00t!! | 15:56 |
| adamw | the people putting it together aren't super plugged in to the fedora process so it'd be good to have people from our side just checking in with the trac and wiki page and helping to make sure everything's ready | 15:56 |
| vhumpa1 | #info World IPv6 Day is happening on june 8 so we have decided to have a fedora IPv6 test day as well | 15:57 |
| adamw | last time i checked the instructions were there but needing prettying up and separating out into test cases, and it would be good if people could go through them ahead of time and see if they're actually complete and easy to follow | 15:57 |
| adamw | so yeah, just a heads-up for people to check out the trac page and wiki and help out if you can :) also of course publicity is great, tell your friends | 15:58 |
| j_dulaney | Indeed | 15:58 |
| vhumpa1 | adamw: Indeed we'll keep that in mind! | 15:58 |
| * nirik notes fedoraproject should be ipv6 ready... web pages, etc. | 15:58 | |
| adamw | cool | 15:59 |
| adamw | that would be worth noting in the trac ticket | 15:59 |
| * j_dulaney will take that | 16:00 | |
| adamw | thanks | 16:00 |
| vhumpa1 | #action Everybody to keep in mind that ipv6 test day and trac ticket might need some prettying up and separating out into test cases and generally we should go through them to see if they are complete in time | 16:01 |
| j_dulaney | Done | 16:02 |
| vhumpa1 | Did all these infos and actions get noted? Not sure whether zodbot is not supposed to reply them | 16:02 |
| adamw | as long as you're a chair it should be fine | 16:02 |
| adamw | zodbot doesn't announce them | 16:03 |
| vhumpa1 | okay, thanks | 16:03 |
| vhumpa1 | #topic Open discussion | 16:03 |
| j_dulaney | Adamw: Have you heard from pbrobinson regaurding the Sugar NM issue? | 16:03 |
| vhumpa1 | Anything anybody would like to bring up? | 16:03 |
| j_dulaney | #topic Sugar NetworkManager | 16:04 |
| adamw | yes | 16:04 |
| j_dulaney | What has he said? | 16:04 |
| adamw | well, just what's on the bug | 16:04 |
| adamw | "It should be changed. I'm going to produce another package and fix the live cd issues tomorrow morning and publish a test livecd" | 16:04 |
| j_dulaney | Ah | 16:05 |
| adamw | but that hasn't arrived yet.. | 16:05 |
| j_dulaney | And that's been a couple of days | 16:05 |
| adamw | so i may try and merge in your (j_dulaney) change myself and test that at least | 16:05 |
| * j_dulaney was wondering what had happened | 16:05 | |
| adamw | i don't know what the live image fixes are, so i can't do that bit, but i can test the nm fix at least | 16:05 |
| adamw | yeah me too, i haven't heard from him since then; he may have just got busy, it happens | 16:05 |
| j_dulaney | Adamw: I'd appreciate that | 16:06 |
| * j_dulaney can't spell, and never could | 16:06 | |
| * vhumpa1 welcomes j_dulaney to the club | 16:06 | |
| adamw | eyem knot inn dat klub | 16:07 |
| j_dulaney | Yay. Does this mean I get a shiny sertifkate? | 16:07 |
| adamw | yes, except they can't spell your address right so it never arrives | 16:07 |
| j_dulaney | Anywho, that's all I had | 16:08 |
| j_dulaney | #topic Open Discussion | 16:08 |
| adamw | i think that's all i have too | 16:09 |
| * vhumpa1 vhumpa didn't really have anything at all since he just jumped in for some lurking while studying for exam :) | 16:09 | |
| * j_dulaney moves that we wrap things, he is hungry | 16:09 | |
| vhumpa1 | +1 | 16:09 |
| j_dulaney | #endmeeting | 16:09 |
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