QA/Meetings/20110801

Attendees

• jlaska (110)
• j_dulaney (25)
• tflink (14)
• athmane (8)
• nphilipp (7)
• zodbot (6)
• nirik (3)
• kparal (3)
• jsmith (2)
• jskladan (1)
• mbouffard (1)
• mkrizek (1)
• robatino (1)
• pschindl (1)

Agenda

• Proposed meeting agenda
• MeetBot summary

Previous meeting follow-up

1. Filing bugs for s-c-* desktop application duplicate names - j_dulaney will get this done this week and not slack off again
2. F15 EC2 images - tflink to confirm with rel-eng to see if 8/1 is a reasonable deadline
3. athmane_work to continue work on Ovirt Node validation testing and matrix; next meeting review if the spin makes the freeze deadline
4. tflink to announce blocker meeting #3

F16 Alpha status

• Release engineering reported that tree composes were failing due to two OPEN bugs
  • 726743 - MODIFIED - gnome-python2-bonobo has missing deps
  • 726744 - NEW - at-spi-python has broken deps
• Jlaska noted that halfline volunteered to look into the at-spi-python bug, and he recommends unblocking pyorbit to resolve the compose dependency problem.
• Follow tree compose progress at https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/4844

Upcoming QA events

• 2011-07-21 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #3 - images available, testing in progress by twu
• 2011-07-26 - Test Alpha 'Test Compose' - DELAYED
• 2011-07-29 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (f16alpha) #3
• 2011-08-04 - Test Alpha Candidate Compose
• 2011-08-05 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (f16alpha) #4

Next meeting

• 2011-08-08 - 15:00 UTC chaired by tflink (thank you!)

Open Discussion - <your topic here>

AutoQA staging hardware status

• tflink asked if there were any updates on the AutoQA staging hardware that isn't responding (qa08.qa.fedoraproject.org). Nirik noted a support ticket was filed, and he would follow-up shortly.

Action Items

1. tflink - send Cloud SIG test day announcements
2. jlaska - announce blocker review meeting #4

IRC Log

jlaska	#startmeeting fedora-qa-meeting	15:10
zodbot	Meeting started Mon Aug 1 15:10:57 2011 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	15:10
zodbot	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.	15:10
jlaska	#meetingname fedora-qa-meeting	15:11
zodbot	The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa-meeting'	15:11
jlaska	#topic Roll Call	15:11
* kparal present		15:11
* tflink present		15:11
* mkrizek is present		15:11
* j_dulaney waves from his flying unicorn		15:11
jlaska	okay, raise your hand if you are here ... don't raise it if not here	15:11
* athmane is here		15:11
* robatino present		15:11
* pschindl is here		15:11
* jsmith lurks		15:11
* mbouffard here		15:12
jlaska	Hello all, thanks for your patience waiting for #startmeeting	15:12
jlaska	who are we missing?	15:12
jlaska	Viking-Ice, jskladan?	15:12
jlaska	iirc, adamw may be off today (public holiday)	15:12
* jskladan is here		15:13
jlaska	hey there	15:13
jlaska	okay, let's get started ... we have a light agenda so far, so this _may_ be quick	15:13
jlaska	#topic Previous meeting follow-up	15:13
jlaska	#info j_dulaney - Filing bugs for s-c-* desktop application duplicate names	15:13
jlaska	j_dulaney: does this still need to be completed, are we still tracking this change?	15:13
j_dulaney	Bug 727204	15:14
j_dulaney	.Bug 727204	15:14
j_dulaney	Or was it	15:14
j_dulaney	@Bug 727204	15:14
j_dulaney	There we go	15:14
jlaska	are all the affected packages owned by the same maintainer?	15:14
j_dulaney	I believe so	15:15
jlaska	sorry if we already discussed, my memory is fuzzy on this ... did we already decide which s-c-* packages needed changes?	15:15
* jlaska just making sure that nphilipp knows how to proceed with this bug report		15:16
nphilipp	jlaska, j_dulaney: This would all be really easy if using Name and GenericName is supported in Gnome now. Is it?	15:16
jlaska	hey nphilipp!	15:16
nphilipp	jlaska: Found you!	15:16
nphilipp	jlaska: was on vacation until the WE	15:16
j_dulaney	nphilipp: I think so, yes	15:16
jlaska	nphilipp: good question, I'm afraid I don't know ... if we don't have an answer in meeting here, perhaps that's worth a note to desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org	15:17
jlaska	#info nphilipp asked whether Name and GenericName is now supported in GNOME. j_dulaney indicated it is now supported.	15:17
nphilipp	the reason why these tools have generic names as names is because desktop wanted it this way back in the days. I can easily rename them back if that's what's wanted, and use the GenericName tag for the generic names.	15:18
j_dulaney	That may be the easiest way to handle this	15:18
jlaska	nphilipp: I'm not closely following this issue, but that seems like a good plan (and perhaps worth a heads up on desktop@ to avoid any surprises)	15:19
zodbot	pong	15:19
jlaska	moving on for now...	15:19
jlaska	#info F15 EC2 images - tflink to confirm with rel-eng to see if 8/1 is a reasonable deadline	15:19
jlaska	tflink and athmane have been most active in this area, anything either of you wanted to highlight?	15:20
nphilipp	jlaska, j_dulaney: well, according to https://live.gnome.org/GnomeGoals/CorrectDesktopFiles I should be fine with just doing what we discussed above.	15:20
jlaska	nphilipp: perfect!	15:20
tflink	the cloud sig decided to move forward with the F15 EC2 test day on 8/4 with the BG created AMIs	15:20
athmane	#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-08-04_Cloud_SIG_Fedora_EC2	15:20
jlaska	#info the cloud sig decided to move forward with the F15 EC2 test day on 8/4 with the BG created AMIs	15:20
tflink	hopefully, we'll have koji-created AMIs for F16	15:20
j_dulaney	Sweet	15:20
nphilipp	jlaska: just checking, this is meant for F-15 onward?	15:21
nphilipp	j_dulaney: ^^	15:21
tflink	I'll be sending out announcements for the test day today or tomorrow	15:21
jlaska	nphilipp: certainly F16, I'm not clear on whether this is appropriate for f15	15:21
jlaska	tflink: athmane: excellent, thanks for the updates	15:21
zodbot	j_dulaney: Bug 727204 Make system-config-* progs that have naming conflicts with other packages not show up in Gnome - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=727204	15:21
jlaska	#info athmane to continue work on Ovirt Node validation testing and matrix; next meeting review if the spin makes the freeze deadline	15:21
jlaska	I believe this was ACK'd in last weeks meeting?	15:22
athmane	Ovirt not yet approved by SPIN SIG	15:22
athmane	#link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fedora-spins/2011-July/002036.html	15:22
athmane	#link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fedora-spins/2011-July/002037.html	15:22
jlaska	#info athmane informed the group that Ovirt is not yet approved by SPIN SIG	15:22
jlaska	looks like some debate on the extent/scope of spin-kickstart changes allowed	15:23
jlaska	thanks for the links athmane	15:23
j_dulaney	So, the question now becomes will it be since Freeze has passed?	15:23
j_dulaney	And, if not, need we support official testing?	15:24
jlaska	no, either way	15:24
athmane	maybe grant an exception	15:24
jlaska	the SPIN is responsible for ensuring their spins are tested	15:24
j_dulaney	jlaksa: Indeed	15:25
jlaska	of course, we lend time in helping them structure the testing and doing it in a way consistent with our other plans	15:25
jlaska	(thanks to athmane)	15:25
jlaska	okay, the only other item I had here was for announcing the blocker meeting last week ... thanks to tflink for that	15:25
jlaska	#topic Cloud SIG - Fedora 15 on Amazon EC2	15:25
jlaska	Sounds like we may have updates on this topic already	15:25
jlaska	but let's do a quick re-hash for the logs	15:25
jlaska	#info the cloud sig decided to move forward with the F15 EC2 test day on 8/4 with the BG created AMIs	15:26
jlaska	#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-08-04_Cloud_SIG_Fedora_EC2	15:26
jlaska	#action tflink - send Cloud SIG test day announcements	15:26
jlaska	anything else to discuss on this topic?	15:26
tflink	I don't think so	15:27
jlaska	alrighty ...	15:27
athmane	nothing I guess, everything was at cloud sig meeting	15:27
jlaska	thanks for the updates gentlemen	15:27
jlaska	#topic F16 Alpha status	15:27
jlaska	#link http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-quality-tasks.html	15:27
jlaska	There has been no Alpha TC1 compose as of yet	15:27
j_dulaney	When can one be expected?	15:28
jlaska	if you want to follow the action, you can monitor the rel-eng ticket for TC1 compose progress - https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/4844	15:28
jlaska	j_dulaney: I have no ETA from rel-eng	15:28
jlaska	Based no feedback from the blocker meeting, I suspect once we have resolution on two deps problems ... the compose should move forward	15:28
jlaska	on of the issues is already in MODIFIED (gnome-python2-bonobo)	15:29
jlaska	.bug 726743	15:29
zodbot	jlaska: Bug 726743 gnome-python2-bonobo has missing deps - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=726743	15:29
jlaska	#info the other compose blocking bug (726744), with help from halfline, may simply involve unblocking a package to allow the compose to proceed	15:29
jlaska	so I think we're just waiting on feedback from halfline's comment ... as far as I know	15:30
jlaska	#info Since TC1 was expected last Tuesday, and RC1 is expected this Thursday ... if history is any indicator, I expect we'll likely slip the Alpha release due to late discovery of ALpha blockers, or insufficient test feedback in time for the go/no_go	15:31
jlaska	it's entirely possible I'm overly skeptical, and when we do get a compose, things will "just work"	15:31
jsmith	Anything is possible -- it's just software :-p	15:31
jlaska	:)	15:31
jlaska	There are not a lot of changes to the blocker lists today - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers	15:32
jlaska	so that's the extent of my knowledge about the Alpha	15:32
jlaska	anyone have other updates to share?	15:32
j_dulaney	I almost wonder if an extra week for Alpha should be added, since we slip by that much anyway	15:32
j_dulaney	But that's not for here	15:33
jlaska	j_dulaney: it's a fair question, I've included this challenge in the QA retrospective for 2 releases now	15:33
jlaska	after discussion of RATs and the TC1 milestone, it sounds like adamw has an proposal brewing for adding additional TC milestones earlier in the cycle	15:34
jlaska	but more on that from our favorite Canadian after the break	15:34
j_dulaney	In this case, the bugs are ones that don't seem to be easily found by just running test composes since they block the compose process	15:34
jlaska	right	15:34
jlaska	#topic Upcoming QA events	15:35
jlaska	Just a quick schedule reminder ...	15:35
jlaska	#info 2011-07-21 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #3 - images available, testing in progress by twu	15:35
jlaska	#info 2011-07-26 - Test Alpha 'Test Compose' - DELAYED	15:35
jlaska	#info 2011-08-04 - Test Alpha Candidate Compose	15:35
jlaska	#info 2011-08-05 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (f16alpha) #4	15:35
jlaska	Unless anyone is eager to announce the blocker meeting this week, I'll be glad to do that	15:36
jlaska	#action jlaska - announce blocker review meeting #4	15:36
jlaska	#topic Next meeting	15:36
jlaska	anyone want to volunteer to #chair this meeting next week?	15:37
jlaska	c'mon, not all at once	15:37
* tflink can do it		15:37
j_dulaney	I could do it >if needed<	15:37
jlaska	alright tflink ftw!	15:37
* jlaska anxious to spread it around		15:38
j_dulaney	LOL	15:38
jlaska	I don't mind doing it at all ... I'm interested in some variety when it comes to meeting style etc...	15:38
j_dulaney	Oy	15:38
jlaska	tflink: thank you ... gimme a holler if you want to punt back to me in case testing takes up too much time	15:38
athmane	I can do it if it was 18:00	15:38
jlaska	#info 2011-08-08 - 15:00 UTC - tflink volunteered to #chair	15:39
jlaska	thanks tflink!	15:39
tflink	jlaska: ok, shouldn't be a problem	15:39
jlaska	#topic Open Discussion - <your topic here>	15:39
jlaska	okay, I promised a brief agenda	15:39
jlaska	any #topics folks would like to raise?	15:39
jlaska	#topic Open discussion - AutoQA staging hardware	15:40
jlaska	tflink: you were asking me before the meeting about qa08.qa.fedoraproject.org hardware status	15:40
tflink	yep	15:40
jlaska	the last update I have was to check back in on Tuesday	15:40
jlaska	iirc, nirik has a support ticket opened up	15:40
nirik	jlaska: yeah, sorry for delay. will try and find something out.	15:41
jlaska	and smooge may be visiting the colo, or opening up a can of whoop_ss to figure that out, on Tuesday?	15:41
jlaska	nirik: no worries, I'm just hoping it's not a hardware problem ... since we've yet to use that system	15:41
jlaska	boooo! I say to that :)	15:41
tflink	well, at least we're not depending on that system yet :)	15:42
jlaska	right	15:42
jlaska	so when that system is available ... do we have a plan to proceed yet	15:42
nirik	yeah, not sure what it's issue is. ;( We will get it fixed up.	15:42
j_dulaney	Where is it physically located?	15:42
tflink	phx, I assume	15:42
jlaska	or should I just set it up to run autoqa straight from master?	15:42
* nirik nods. phx datacenter		15:43
j_dulaney	Indeed	15:43
tflink	I have some ideas but haven't finished writing up a proposal yet	15:43
jlaska	tflink: okay	15:43
tflink	it would probably be good to just testing 0.6.0 on it for now	15:43
jlaska	#info Support ticket opened, nirik will continue investigating	15:43
jlaska	tflink: testing it manually, or packages I build into the -testing repos?	15:44
tflink	either way is fine with me	15:44
jlaska	okay, we can figure that out later then	15:44
jlaska	#topic Open Discussion - <your topic here>	15:44
j_dulaney	We should have the mockup infranstructure ready to go shortly	15:44
jlaska	any other items to cover today?	15:45
j_dulaney	Magical ponies?	15:45
jlaska	heh, are those back on the agenda?	15:45
tflink	j_dulaney: I didn't know you did much with Django :)	15:45
jlaska	okay, if nothing, I'll #endmeeting in 2 minutes	15:45
j_dulaney	Lulz	15:46
jlaska	1 minute until #endmeeting	15:46
jlaska	kparal: nothing from Brno today? you guys must be busy getting this next release out :)	15:46
kparal	I don't think we have any good update	15:47
kparal	just finishing tickets	15:47
jlaska	alright folks ... that's it for today	15:47
jlaska	I'll follow-up with minutes to the list	15:47
jlaska	thanks for your time!	15:47
jlaska	#endmeeting	15:47

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