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Attendees

  • tflink (74)
  • handsome_pirate (68)
  • kparal (22)
  • pwhalen (21)
  • nirik (8)
  • roshi (8)
  • zodbot (7)
  • jskladan (2)
  • jreznik (2)
  • spoore (1)
  • mkrizek (1)
  • oddshocks (1)
  • pschindl (1)

Agenda

  • Followup from previous meeting
  • Fedora 20 Planning
  • Open floor

Followup from previous meeting

  • adamw to draft the final Cloud changes today
  • adamw and pschindl to work with anaconda team on anaconda showstoppers
  • nirik or adamw to fix spin-kickstarts user creation bug

Fedora 20 Planning

Open floor

Action items

  • handsome_pirate to coordinate with cloud folks for cloud testing and where images are to be located

IRC Log

15:00:29 <handsome_pirate> #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting 15:00:29 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Aug 26 15:00:29 2013 UTC. The chair is handsome_pirate. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:29 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:39 <zodbot> tflink: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. 15:00:41 <handsome_pirate> #chair kparal jskladan tflink 15:00:41 <zodbot> Current chairs: handsome_pirate jskladan kparal tflink 15:00:56 <tflink> ha, 15:00:59 * jskladan already has a chair though ;) 15:01:07 <tflink> #meetingname Fedora QA Meeting 15:01:07 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_qa_meeting' 15:01:21 <tflink> #topic Roll Call 15:01:29 * kparal is here 15:01:32 <tflink> #info agenda is in wiki 15:01:35 * jskladan "yo dawg, we heard you like chairs..." 15:01:44 <tflink> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20130826 15:01:58 * spoore is here...listening 15:02:00 * mkrizek is here 15:02:08 * handsome_pirate builds kernels 15:02:23 <kparal> jskladan: one word - badges! 15:02:49 <tflink> so ... who's running this show? 15:03:03 <handsome_pirate> tflink: I can, if you want 15:03:09 <tflink> handsome_pirate: knock yourself out 15:03:13 <handsome_pirate> roger 15:03:19 * pwhalen is here 15:03:29 <handsome_pirate> #topic Previous Meeting Followup 15:03:44 <handsome_pirate> nirik: Ping 15:03:53 <handsome_pirate> The first two items are from adamw 15:04:04 <handsome_pirate> #info adamw to draft the final Cloud changes today 15:04:07 <nirik> yes? 15:04:16 <handsome_pirate> #info adamw and pschindl to work with anaconda team on anaconda showstoppers 15:04:28 <handsome_pirate> nirik: The third followup from last week is yours 15:04:37 <handsome_pirate> #info nirik or adamw to fix spin-kickstarts user creation bug 15:04:45 <nirik> adamw did that. 15:04:50 <handsome_pirate> Ah, okay 15:04:58 <nirik> should be fixed. :) 15:05:04 <tflink> the showstoppers that info refers to should be fixed 15:05:10 * oddshocks is lurking 15:05:15 <handsome_pirate> And, I'm guessing he took care of the other two since we have a TC 15:05:44 <handsome_pirate> Anything else y'all want to expand on there? 15:05:48 <tflink> dshea figured out what was killing installations 15:06:04 <tflink> something about the order of commands to a lightbox window 15:06:30 <handsome_pirate> Ah, cool 15:06:54 <handsome_pirate> Okay, then 15:07:05 <handsome_pirate> #topic Fedora 20 Planning 15:07:15 <handsome_pirate> #info TC1 has landed 15:07:54 <handsome_pirate> The issues so far seem to be the usual crop of TC1 blockers, but also spin problems 15:07:58 <tflink> validation treadmill time! 15:08:01 <handsome_pirate> For instance, KDE is too large 15:08:08 <handsome_pirate> tflink: +1 15:08:25 <tflink> the blocker list doesn't look too bad so far 15:08:32 * pwhalen is testing arm images, pxe installs today 15:08:57 * tflink doesn't understand why we're waiting for freeze to add f20 to bodhi, but that's a different issue :) 15:09:11 <tflink> pwhalen: is there a beaglebone image? 15:09:19 * tflink thought someone was working on that 15:09:22 <handsome_pirate> tflink: Not yet 15:09:37 <pwhalen> tflink, we still need a booting kernel for the bb sadly 15:09:44 <handsome_pirate> tflink: I'll bug Kyle about the status of the kernel 15:09:45 <kparal> that was my question. we received beaglebone blacks, but are they even supported? 15:09:57 <handsome_pirate> kparal: Not yet :( 15:10:11 <pwhalen> but they will be 15:10:23 <kparal> well, it's going to be hard to do QA until then 15:10:34 <kparal> since we have no other arm devices 15:10:37 * pschindl is here 15:10:38 <pwhalen> kparal, agreed. you can also use qemu 15:10:43 <tflink> and I just got my new SD cards :) 15:10:52 <tflink> but they can work on my panda as well 15:11:03 <handsome_pirate> Aye 15:11:03 <pwhalen> tflink, when panda's fixed 15:11:05 <kparal> pwhalen: but some qemu arm modules are not packaged in fedora, are they? 15:11:09 <pwhalen> and its getting closer 15:11:14 <handsome_pirate> We support vxpress (qemu) 15:11:28 <tflink> pwhalen: so what's working right now? 15:11:44 <pwhalen> all images work with qemu, you need to extract the initramfs and vmlinuz 15:11:54 <tflink> it sounds like trimslice, panda and bb are all broken ATM 15:12:04 <handsome_pirate> Indeed 15:12:08 <pwhalen> working right.. qemu, highbank, trimslice boot but no network 15:12:35 <pwhalen> sorry, trimslice kernel is fine, but f20 image wont work til the glibc issue is fixed 15:13:00 <tflink> so we're 1 week away from freeze and almost none of the supported platforms boot? 15:13:14 * tflink has a bad feeling about this 15:13:15 <handsome_pirate> Indeed 15:13:23 <pwhalen> kyle has been working hard on omap, and has now discovered the kernel issue appears to be uboot 15:13:54 <kparal> related question - why do we have "Trimslice, Panda, Panda ES" in the installation matrix? why only these 3, and why not just a single "ARM" column? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_20_Alpha_TC1_Install?rd=Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test#ARM_disk_images 15:14:16 <tflink> #info non working ARPM platforms as of today: pandaboard, beaglebone black, trimslice 15:14:28 <tflink> kparal: different boot methods 15:14:45 <tflink> and different chips 15:14:54 <tflink> #undo 15:14:54 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x23663b10> 15:15:12 <tflink> #info non working ARM platforms as of today: pandaboard, beaglebone black, trimslice 15:15:16 <pwhalen> panda and panda es could share the same column, and perhaps the name changed to reflect the actual difference, ext vs vfat partitioning for boot 15:15:44 <kparal> tflink: I see only two different images - vfat a non-vfat 15:15:44 <kparal> http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20-Alpha-TC1/Images/armhfp/ 15:16:04 <kparal> pwhalen: in that case it should, otherwise it's very confusing for someone who doesn't know the differences 15:16:06 <tflink> #info work on omap issue has been progressing, new issues in uboot are causing problems on panda 15:16:23 <pwhalen> kparal, agreed 15:16:28 <handsome_pirate> So, we might want to propose that if it isn't working by freeze, we don't support it 15:16:30 <kparal> ok, I'll adjust the template 15:16:44 <pwhalen> kparal, thanks 15:17:14 <tflink> other arm issues other than non-functional platforms? 15:17:49 <pwhalen> tflink, will know more today, really only know the state of the kernel 15:18:20 <pwhalen> I have been doing basic boot testing of the rawhide images.. on qemu only as the hw has issues (trimslice glibc issue, panda non booting kernel) 15:18:26 <tflink> ok, I suspect that x86 is in a similar position 15:18:46 <tflink> is there any ETA on getting any of that fixed? 15:19:05 <pwhalen> not as of yet 15:19:19 * tflink is not thrilled about releasing alpha with a PA not supporting many of its platforms 15:19:28 <tflink> thrilled at the thought 15:19:52 <handsome_pirate> tflink: Neither am I 15:20:30 <pwhalen> things tend to shape up quickly near the end, so much change in the kernel for arm 15:20:43 <kparal> pwhalen: is there a blogpost somewhere how to run arm images in virt-manager? I'd link that to the test cases 15:20:53 <tflink> pwhalen: that doesn't really comfort me much 15:21:02 <handsome_pirate> kparal: virt-manager doesn't support arm yet 15:21:11 <pwhalen> kparal, I need to write something for f20, you can use the f19 install page 15:21:16 <handsome_pirate> kparal: According to the virt-manager folks, it's coming 15:21:29 <handsome_pirate> kparal: Right now, you have to do qemu manually 15:21:46 <pwhalen> kparal, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/F19/Installation#For_Versatile_Express_Emulation_with_QEMU 15:21:55 * kparal will have a look 15:22:28 <tflink> #info for more on booting ARM images with qemu: 15:22:35 <tflink> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/F19/Installation#For_Versatile_Express_Emulation_with_QEMU 15:22:51 <tflink> is there anything else on ARM that we need to cover? 15:23:34 <pwhalen> tflink, I dont think so, I will find out more on the status today 15:23:48 <tflink> handsome_pirate: shall we move on to cloud and x86? 15:23:53 <handsome_pirate> Sure 15:24:14 <tflink> has anyone tried the cloud image yet? 15:24:20 <handsome_pirate> tflink: I have not 15:24:31 * tflink assumes not since TC1 wasn't released all that long ago 15:24:37 <handsome_pirate> tflink: Did it ever get sorted out where we can run the cloud images? 15:24:47 * tflink hopes we'll see more participation from the cloud folks than in previous releases 15:24:54 <tflink> handsome_pirate: I don't believe so, no 15:25:02 <kparal> Cloud QE offered some help 15:25:20 <kparal> but the discussion trailed off 15:25:24 <jreznik> well for ARM - in case it would not be ready for Alpha in time - where do we want to go to FESCo before blocking release? (as for ARM contingency plan)? 15:25:59 <tflink> jreznik: I'd say lets wait for freeze 15:26:21 <tflink> if we still don't have any working platforms outside qemu and highbank at that point, alert FESCo 15:26:28 <handsome_pirate> Aye, see how things stand next week 15:26:44 <tflink> did the cloud changes get merged into release criteria? 15:26:57 <jreznik> tflink: agree 15:26:59 * tflink isn't 100% sure what those changes are, just sees item from last week 15:27:21 <kparal> tflink: https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Fedora_20_Alpha_Release_Criteria&diff=349894&oldid=348391 15:27:24 <handsome_pirate> nirik: They did 15:27:36 <kparal> "Release-blocking cloud images must boot in the Fedora OpenStack Cloud and in Amazon EC2." 15:27:51 * nirik looks up, hum? 15:27:54 <kparal> "* Release-blocking cloud images must allow login with the user authentication configuration requested during instance creation." 15:28:18 <kparal> nirik: handsome_pirate wanted to reply to tflink, I guess 15:28:23 <tflink> nirik: I think he meant that for me 15:28:50 <nirik> ah, ok. ;) 15:28:59 <handsome_pirate> Aye 15:29:11 * nirik is easily confused in the morning. ;) 15:29:27 * handsome_pirate doesn't get how he managed nirik from tflink 15:29:33 * handsome_pirate blames tab-completion 15:29:36 <tflink> we need to start figuring out who's working on the cloud image validation, though 15:29:51 * nirik loads the tc1 images into our cloud. 15:29:53 <tflink> handsome_pirate: n and t are on different parts of the keyboard, though :) 15:30:10 <handsome_pirate> tflink: If I can get somewhere to do it, I'll test cloud 15:30:12 <roshi> tflink perhaps he's using a modified dvorak layout 15:30:24 <handsome_pirate> roshi: Nope :) 15:30:45 <tflink> do we know if the AMIs were uploaded to amazon? 15:30:50 <roshi> well, then you have no excuse handsome_pirate 15:30:50 * tflink assumes not 15:31:16 <handsome_pirate> tflink: dgilmore says that there are compose issues with cloud images 15:31:24 <handsome_pirate> tflink: He says composition is broken 15:31:34 <nirik> hum, no 32bit cloud image. ;( 15:32:48 <tflink> any volunteers to coordinate with the cloud folks for testing images and coordinating which images are supposed to be where? 15:32:56 * handsome_pirate waves 15:33:27 <handsome_pirate> #action handsome_pirate to coordinate with cloud folks for cloud testing and where images are to be located 15:33:29 <tflink> #action handsome_pirate to coordinate with releng and cloud folks to figure out who's doing testing and which images are supposed to be where 15:33:32 <tflink> damnation 15:33:36 <tflink> #undo 15:33:36 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x21573f50> 15:33:51 <tflink> anything else on cloud? 15:34:06 * tflink assumes not 15:34:10 <tflink> how about x86? 15:34:20 * tflink just started downloading images 15:34:29 <tflink> any obvious showstoppers so far? 15:34:38 <handsome_pirate> I've heard mutterings that it's still not installible 15:34:48 <tflink> fun 15:34:54 <kparal> for some reason, it failed to start over PXE on two different machines 15:34:59 <kparal> VM worked well 15:35:06 * kparal still investigating 15:35:28 <tflink> kparal: cool, sounds like some progress at least :) 15:36:02 <handsome_pirate> tflink: < rrknight3> I'm completely unable to install TC1. DeviceFormat has no attribute mount in both graphics and text mode on x86_64. 15:36:03 <tflink> anything else for x86 testing/planning? 15:36:22 <tflink> custom partitioning? 15:36:23 <handsome_pirate> (that's from this morning in #fedora-qa 15:36:26 <handsome_pirate> ) 15:36:35 <handsome_pirate> He didn't say 15:37:46 <tflink> I guess we'll find out as more people test 15:38:01 <tflink> it's not like TC1 has been out for long 15:38:06 <handsome_pirate> Aye 15:38:16 <tflink> any other issues to cover for F20? 15:39:01 * handsome_pirate thinks it's time for: 15:39:04 <tflink> handsome_pirate: open floor? 15:39:06 <handsome_pirate> #topic Open Floor 15:39:23 <handsome_pirate> Anyone have anything? 15:39:56 <tflink> test 15:40:04 * handsome_pirate sets the magical unicorn rainbow sparkle timer for five minutes 15:40:05 <tflink> test day request should be going out soon 15:40:18 <tflink> roshi: ^^ correct? 15:40:26 <roshi> tflink did you get me added to the group? 15:40:31 <tflink> yep 15:40:32 * roshi is at work and can't check atm 15:40:53 <handsome_pirate> Group? 15:40:55 <roshi> yeah - I'll get that out when I get home 15:41:03 <tflink> handsome_pirate: for modifying the qa calendar 15:41:11 <handsome_pirate> Ah 15:41:22 <handsome_pirate> tflink: Am I part of that group? 15:41:40 * handsome_pirate is in several qa groups and can't remember which does what 15:41:52 <tflink> handsome_pirate: I don't think so 15:42:15 <roshi> tflink I'll send you a draft when I get home - since it'll be my first 15:42:28 <tflink> roshi: sounds like a plan 15:42:41 <handsome_pirate> roshi: I did it a few releases ago; just make sure you keep up on the details 15:43:19 <roshi> handsome_pirate sounds good 15:43:23 * handsome_pirate once again sets the magic pony fuse 15:43:31 * roshi will get the hang of it no problem 15:44:36 <handsome_pirate> Anything else? 15:44:49 <handsome_pirate> Going once 15:44:54 <handsome_pirate> Twice 15:44:58 <handsome_pirate> #endmeeting