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Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2007-07-30

F8 Test 1 Status

1. 247863 is not; but I do believe we can find somebody with time to bang out a fix for this in short order. So while not a blocker, I'd really like to see this fixed as it is very visible. 1. 249597 is totally blocker (insta-reboot issue) 1. 249908 (adding extra repo at install time) not a blocker, just a /really/ nice to have. 1. 250047 is fixed with new policy, just need to clicky the buttons 1. 250130 is no pata support on ppc mac minis (potentially more ppc32 hardware).

  • going to spin again this evening with the things we've fixed so far and sync that up too

Summary: Decision as to whether we need to slip Fedora 8 Test 1 will be made tomorrow.

Fedora 8 Test 1 - What to deliver

  • Release Engineering will produce the following for Fedora 8 Test1

1. Fedora installable spin

  • i386
  • x86_64
  • ppc
  • source

1. Fedora {i386,x86_64} Live image 1. KDE {i386,x86_64 Live} image 1. Everything tree will be provided by standard Rawhide ("development") locations

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<tr id="t13:01"><td class="other" colspan="2">{{Template:Tip}} f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - Fedora 8 Test 1</td><td><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: poelcat: warren: rdieter: wwoods: jwb_gone: spot: ping</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><td class="action" colspan="2">* notting is here</td><td><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><td class="action" colspan="2">* spot is here</td><td><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jeremy is on vacation,</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">here (still)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ooh, /me notices rdieter here.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><td class="action" colspan="2">* wwoods here</td><td><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so Test 1 status.  Doom-o-meter is scary high</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Dell; still b0rked.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><td class="action" colspan="2">* warren here</td><td><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ppc ide; b0rked.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">not just confined to Dell anymore - someone reported the same problem on a toshiba laptop</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Any bug # for the Dell issue?  Do we have ANY idea what's going on?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wheee</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">warren: x86 setup code was rewritten post-2.6.22</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">adding external repos at install time; b0rked (clumens is working on it now)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">wwoods, so in-kernel definitely?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13: in the ui, or in the backend (does ks work?)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">warren: definitely. bug #249597</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">firstboot; b0rked in multiple ways (non-fatal traceback; won't launch if rhgb doesn't run)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: haven't tried ks.  In the UI there is a traceback when it starts to add package objects to the transaction set.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">We didn't have an installable rawhide until yesterday, we /still/ don't have an installable ppc rawhide, but those 4 users wouldn't notice anyway.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">do we have installable ppc test trees/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Can I propose that the pre-Test1 freeze for each release from now on be, like, two weeks?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Because damn.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">on reducto and on koji.fp.o/rel-eng/trees/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">wwoods: surely part of the solution is to start testing pre-freeze</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: not a /horrible/ idea, but sucks as developers to have non-critical devel/ builds stagnate.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">notting: indeed, indeed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: yes.  I thought I was doing testing, but obviously not sufficient enough</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I was keeping the tool working, rather than testing the output (which is also important)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that and changing the toolchain after the freeze Did Not Help.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">On the plus side, on Friday the Live images stuff still looked pretty good</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">including installation from them.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">yeah we really need to be doing nightly install tests on rawhide.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">it is unavoidable. Once we cram t1 out the door I'm gonna set that up again.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">right now clumens may have fixed nfs-iso method, and is working on the adding repos thing.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">(err work on setting that up again)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">after that I may have him raise the bar for doing boot.iso gui http installs as I can reliably freeze a box with 256 megs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that's not a high priority though so any new anaconda fun will go in front of that.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">oh wait, we should have him poke at firstboot instead.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">firstboot traceback is a s-c-securitylevel bug</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: there are other problems</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">looks like a fairly easy patch but nobody seems to have gotten around to it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">like, it can't launch an X of it's own if rhgb didn't launch</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">really? great.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and not for the same reasons we just fixed rhgb for</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13, do we have any affected Dell machines in the office?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren: cebbert has one.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">which is rather fitting.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">good</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">oh cebbert is in the "boston" office? cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so we need a couple decisions</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we need to figure out which of these problems are full-stop release blockers, and if so, what our deadline is to have them fixed before we introduce slippage.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144"><a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=F8Test1">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=F8Test1</a> for those of you keeping score at home.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I think we can easily come up with the point of no return for slippage, and that would be having it fixed tonight.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">to spin trees early morning, and even that is cutting it close.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(also we need some consensus on what all we're going to deliver, but we'll get to that)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">so, examining the old standby <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/ReleaseCriteria">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/ReleaseCriteria</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">sorry back, connection died</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">test release bare-minimum is: boot and install on all arches, yum upgrade works, no data corruptors, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">and currently we don't boot on a whole mess of machines</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes, that is definitely a blocker</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">technically, though, firstboot is not part of our current release criteria</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">bug 247863 is not; but I do believe we can find somebody with time to bang out a fix for this in short order.  So while not a blocker, I"d really like to see this fixed as it is very visible.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I'd suggest we might change the criteria in that area though</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">249597 is totally blocker (insta-reboot issue)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">249908 (adding extra repo at install time) not a blocker, just a /really/ nice to have.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">250047 is fixed with new policy, just need to clicky the buttons</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and 250130 is no pata support on ppc mac minis (potentially more ppc32 hardware).  While technically could be considered a blocker, I think the vast amounts of users that would be effected by this can just suffer.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">does anybody else have any other opinions regarding the above bugs?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">well, we're waiting in 249597. so, i'm not sure any of the others need to be moved off the blocker as long as that's the case</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">249908 is final-blocker, not a test-blocker.. technically ppc is still a first-class arch so 250130 would probably be a blocker</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: no, I'm not moving any off, but I just want to set the expectation that if the insta-reboot gets fixed, we're not going to hold up on any of the other nonblockers</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">but yeah, it's all moot because 249597 is a full-fledged stop-the-presses blocker</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(there is a reason the tracker is just 'F8Test1' and not 'F8Test1Blockers'</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but obviously if we can't fix 249597 today, we're slipping.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">so let's talk firstboot - we've got *two* bugs now? can't start its own X, and the s-c-securitylevel traceback?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">f13: right.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: yes.  Arguably the traceback isn't a firstboot bug, just one triggered /by/ firstboot.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I should hope it would be pretty straight forward to fix s-c-securitylevel.  Obviously the maintainer isn't paying attention to anything (perhaps time to ring somebody's bell?)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">right, yes, it's not a firstboot but, but it prevents firstboot from running</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">err "firstboot bug, but..."</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: no it doesn't</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">aroo? it did for me</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: you click "ok" or whatever on the error popup and firstboot continues on happily</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">huh! didn't know that.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">mea culpa then</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it's still pug ugly and we'll get a shitton of email/bugreports/nastygrams about it so we should fix it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">yeah, I'd like to poke the s-c-securitylevel maintainer about it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">failing that, notting can you pinch-hit here?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">it seems like we'll be slipping for the dell bug anyway so we might have a window to fix the firstboot problems</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13: for? twoerner?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">afaik, he's around somewhere</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: if that's the owner of s-c-securitylevel yes.  I'm a bit peeved that this hasn't been fixed yet, but I don't know what his current workload is.  What would have been useful is dropping a note that he couldn't fix it in time, get somebody else to look at it.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hey good, clumens duped the problem when using an added repo at install time.  There is potential for a fix there.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13: have you tracked him down on irc?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: no, I've bene chasing other fires.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">what about the firstboot-cant-start-X thing?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">do we have someone on that?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">bug#?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so that's where we're at.  I'm going to poke a bit at firstboot to look at why it can't launch X ( at least get some logging out of it )</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">f13: is that filed?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: I don't think so.  I probably should once I figure out how it's actually not happening</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">f13: righteous. I'm sure I'll get mail when you add it to the tracker. Lemme know if you need help reproducing.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">k</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I'm probably gonna mess around with PPC installs some more - the tree on koji.fp.o is up-to-date, right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and it looks like twoerner is actually working on s-c-sl right now.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">cool!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: yes, that's what I spun yesterday and there were no package changes since then.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'm going to spin again this evening with the things we've fixed so far and sync that up too</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><td class="other" colspan="2">{{Template:Tip}} f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to:  Fedora Release Engineering - Fedora 8 Test 1 - What to deliver</td><td><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">So for Fedora 7, we did a different content set each test release as we were feeling our way toward the final set which was the Fedora spins, and a set of Everything repos</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Ideally, from a 'getting bits spun and in place' for the test release we'd just do the Fedora spin and rely upon rawhide as our 'Everything' tree.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(and for our debuginfo tree)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">sounds reasonable.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">"Everything" is a checkbox during anaconda?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we'd still probably have to spin source isos for the FEdora spin for those pesky legal reasons but...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren: not there currently</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren: probably want to land the ability to use mirrorlists in anaconda add repos first</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and there are some interesting side effects to adding a second repo that duplicates a lot of the content</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">like, what repo is yum going to pull the packages from?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">seth has got a 'priorities' like plugin that I need to test that we'd want to use in anaconda to ensure that the main repo (install method) is used for all possible packages, only going to add-on repos for things not available in the main repo</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><td class="action" colspan="2">* rdieter likes the sound of that.</td><td><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah, can be quite the useful little plugin.  Originally I wanted it for mock</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but I'm finding other places where it would be really useful.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Does anybody see a reason why we should deliver anything more than 'Fedora installable spin i386,x86_64,ppc + source, Fedora i386,x86_64 Live image, and KDE i386,x86_64 Live image'</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">sounds fine</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Someday we should talk about delivering just live media, in two sizes (CD and DVD). But not now.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">the only possible addition would be Everything spin? (or something else?)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: that has deep hurt until you can do upgrades from Live</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">rdieter: yeah, Everything is what's missing.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><@twoerner> jk_meeting: 1.7.0-4_fc8 is building</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">*ROCK*</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Ok, so</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><td class="other" colspan="2">{{Template:Tip}} f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to:  Fedora Release Engineering - Fedora 8 Test 1 - Open Discussion'</td><td><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">f13: what was summary on last topic?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anything else related to Test1 that anybody would like to discuss?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: rel-eng will deliver for Test1 'Fedora installable spin i386,x86_64,ppc + source, Fedora i386,x86_64 Live image, and KDE i386,x86_64 Live image'</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">f13: thanks!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">f13: right, that's the "someday"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: with a side note "Everything tree will be provided by standard Rawhide locations"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">If there's nothing else I'd like to call the meeting and get back to work.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Any objections?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">we should have that as a checkbox in the "additional repo" list for test2 and on</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: as stated before, we need a few things first; support for mirror lists; priority plugin to prevent you from skipping local media and downloading everything off the net</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: not totally unreasonable, and I'd consider throwing up a Feature page for this</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">or some other way of tracking it, yeah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">f13: what was recap for first topic?... wait and see how tonight looks?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">we're blocked on the Dell bug, which won't be fixed tonight, so we'll be using this window to try to get fixes in for the other tracked issues</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: yes, decision on slipping will be made tomorrow.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><td class="action" colspan="2">* poelcat attempts to publish minutes in near-real-time for a change</td><td><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: awesome.  Thank you again so much for this.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">f13: you're welcome :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr>
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