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Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2008-04-07

Fedora 9 Readiness

  • Final freeze on Tuesday, April 8, 2008
  • Internet2 issue could affect ability to feed mirrors at F9 GA
  • Ongoing review of blocker bugs until GA


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<tr id="t13:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ping: notting jeremy jwb wwoods warren lmacken poelcat rdieter</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><td class="action" colspan="2">* poelcat here</td><td><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(wwoods is out)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><td class="action" colspan="2">* notting is here</td><td><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jwb is here</td><td><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><td class="action" colspan="2">* lmacken is here</td><td><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><td class="action" colspan="2">* warren here</td><td><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">aight, lets get started.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering Meeting - Fedora 9 Final Freeze</td><td><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">The final freeze is tomorrow, and as usual I'm going to setup an at job to throw the switch tonight so tomorrow's rawhide is the frozen content.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I've got f9-final tag in koji already, and I'm updating it with the latest builds from dist-f9</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">we're having an early tuesday freeze, not a late tuesday freeze?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'm going to start signing tonight too, if the clone finishes in time.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: yeah, we did that for Alpha and Beta</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">gives releng an extra day of testing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">how are we feeling about the stability of rawhide?  I had some worrying crashes during the weekend (no compiz involved)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren: I'm not "happy" but I'm not slitting my wrists yet.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">today's rawhide was good for me <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JohnPoelstra/RawhideToday">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JohnPoelstra/RawhideToday</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">rawhide has been fine for me since beta</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">with the exception of hibernate</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">warren: I think it largely depends on what components you're interested in</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Well, I triggered a blocker bug this morning in anaconda, so that's lame for me</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and I still have to plow through this upgrade stuff.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">jlaska: oh nothing important, just dbus-daemon crashing, X deadlocking, and kernel oopsing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">upgrades in general are scary.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13, what upgrade stuff?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">details details ;)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jwb: finding things that went from multilib to not multilib and getting them blacklisted correctly in anaconda</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">ah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jwb: plus finding other upgrade gotchas.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">i am concerned about our ability to deliver the preview, in light of mdomsch's discussion about final</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">there are a number of upgrade related bugs on teh blocker list.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">notting, wait... what?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: preview is just going ot be torrent only</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">ah, ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> jlaska</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">f13: so dumb question ... once we freeze, the plan is then to widdle down the blocker bug list?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">doom postponed!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: it's like the regularly scheduled snapshot, just with a differen tname.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">ok. i remain concerned about final, though. yuck.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jlaska: yeah, I think each day we'll probably trim a bit more off the blocker list, and get more toward "we'd actually slip the release for this"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><td class="action" colspan="2">* rdieter here (a little)</td><td><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: as do I.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">for those not in the "know"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13: how will we test out jigdo before GA?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">RH can't currently deliver any content over Internet2 to anybody</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">which means our I2 mirrors get way behind</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Al Gore didn't invent it yet.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">oh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and all have ot use phx resources to get content, which is causing resource contention</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jds2001 sits in the back</td><td><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">resources which are supposed to be shut off for releases due to not wanting to knock redhat.com off the internet again</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: I'm thinking of testing it by hand a bit with some custom mirrormanager urls that I'll ask mdomsch to create for me.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">do we have everything in place needed for preupgrade?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13: let me know if you want some help from a 'home user' :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: I have no idea on that front.  I think we're awefully late to be landing "features" such as that.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: will do, likely the mirrormanager url will just reference rawhide</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Part of the final freeze is also the mass CVS branching</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'm not entirely sure why the schedule has it on the 9th, I probably asked for it and promptly forgot why</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but abadger1999 needs some time to try and recover some optimizations on the pkgdb/fas side of things to make the branching go faster.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it's still probbaly going to require a cvs outage, and a mail shutoff to keep from mailbombing everybody</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">also note, I think the pure cvs side of things has slowed down as well.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13, maybe you were still thinking it was going to be a late tues freeze, so you wanted it on the 9th?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I had a script at one point to do it, but that was pre fas2, and some other things have changed on pkgdb side, so I'll likely have to rewrite the script.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jwb: could be.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">abadger1999: it's not like modules ever gets *smaller*</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">Right.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">abadger1999: curious, if the cvs slowdown is the ACL lookup + the "whom do I mail" lookup</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">which I would think with an outage we could kill both of those</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">Esp. the whom do I mail would speed things up.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><td class="action" colspan="2">* abadger1999 writes a note to disable getnotifylist</td><td><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">abadger1999: if we have a cvs outage, might we use that as an opportunity to finally rename cvsextras?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> abadger1999</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">warren: You and f13 should work it out.  I can make it happen whenever everyone wants it.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">f13: any preference?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren: do you have a list of changes that would require?  Maybe an open infrastructure ticket?  noted which wiki pages need updating, etc..?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I wouldn't be so keen on breaking cvs at the critical point in our release.  Much more comfortable doing it post-f9</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">yeah, that might be a better idea</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'm going to be flipping the fedora-release bit to make it look like F9, as well as turning off rawhide and on the "fedora" and "updates" repos.  We'll pull a mirrormanager trick again and just have those redirect to rawhide.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(which should aide in testing out jigdo prior to release day)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">perfect</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and the rest of the time is just losing sleep over blocker lists.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">So, open floor on F9 Final issues.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">if we can't push it, we can't ship it.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yep</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'm probably going to harass people daily about this</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">for F7 EOL, do we want to pick a date now, or wait until we're a little more clear on the panic/don't panic state of the blocker list?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'd say panic/don't panic.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wait until we have a real RC</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Do we consider the upstart fails to shutdown, upstart causing always/frequent unclean unmount issues, possibly related runlevel changes do nothing... blockers?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">warren: the hell?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren: have you been able to find anybody else who sees this?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">please elaborate on your first and second comments with bug numbers</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">really nobody else is seeing this? wow.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">related to that F7 EOL and the recent ______ on f-dev-list about those darn BugZappers</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">are there any compelling reasons to keep EOL bugs open?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">someone shut me down if this is too much of a tangent for this meeting :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: well, the answer to that question is always "yes", but the real question is 'compelling enough to put up with the cruft' and that I think is no.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">poelcat: only on an individual reporter/maintainer's opinion on specific bugs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144"><a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=438444">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=438444</a> switching to runlevel 1 does nothing <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=439699">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=439699</a> you see nothing during shutdown (and sometimes it fails to shutdown)  <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=438449">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=438449</a> killall race (might possibly related)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> buggbot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">Bug 438444: high, low, ---, Casey Dahlin, NEW , upstart - 'telinit 1' is not doing anything even close to advertised</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> buggbot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">Bug 439699: low, low, ---, Casey Dahlin, NEW , No shutdown msgs displayed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> buggbot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">Bug 438449: low, low, ---, Casey Dahlin, NEW , /etc/rc.d/init.d/killall is racing with other "stops"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I've personally NEVER seen my filesystem not replay journal since we've switched to upstart</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">poelcat: does the bugzappers/triage stuff have an ability to only prod bugs once?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">did you file a bug?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">notting: sortof... we've got that c00l whiteboard tag ;-)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">well, been relying on the existing bugs.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">warren: none of those bugs have anything to do with journal replay</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">notting: if it fails to cleanly shutdown it might?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">warren: presumably you'd notice that , considering you'd have to hit the power key, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">notting: it is inconsistent, but sometimes it powers off very quickly after I hit Shutdown</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">notting: so you're saying some way for a developmer to tag a bug as "don't auto close me" ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">sometimes I do have to hold down the power button because X died, I haven no login getty's, and it is just stuck</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">poelcat: i mean, once the triage system flags needinfo/whatever, i think it shouldn't try and do it *again* the next time it's chugging through rawhide</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> jds2001</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">well rawhide will be re-based to F9</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">notting: well it shouldn't because the next action would be to ignore it or CLOSE if still needinfo</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">poelcat: and if it's moved to 'devel' again...?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">in rare occasions I do actually see stuff shutting down</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">notting: then it stays in 'rawhide' until the next GA when it gets rebased to the GA version</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> jds2001</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">it'll get put in the frying pan for the next cycle i think.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> jds2001</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">poelcat: +1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">poelcat: right. that's what i mean about only frobbing the bug once</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> jds2001</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">hmm, is there a compelling reason not to every 6 months?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">not sure. i suppose we can see how it plays out</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">i suppose my bigger triage concern is 'only one message per bug plz' :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">seems like we're drifting here.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> jds2001</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">yeah, sorry bout that :(</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - Open Floor</td><td><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">f13: apologies.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">lmacken: bodhi need any prep for f9?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> lmacken</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">notting: I don't believe so</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> lmacken</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">when do we want to start queueing up updates ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">our sync scripts probably need updates</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> lmacken</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">I can create the F9 release in bodhi at any time, and keep it locked</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">lets wait until we've branched</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13: similar question for bug triage... when should we rebase rawhide-->f9 ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">or should I ask this somewhere else?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: probably elsewhere, but I'd say after we start shipping F10 content in rawhide.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">which would be after F9 goes gold.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13: okay thanks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">if there's nothing else, I'd like to wrap up and get back to work.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> warren</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">nod</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><td class="action" colspan="2">* warren looking into upstart issues...</td><td><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">thanks all!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
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