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Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2008-02-04

Alpha

Reversing the netapp streams

  • scheduled for today--we're working on pushing it back after the alpha
  • change setup so that the content we generate in PHX can be put on a netapp in PHX
  • instead of rsynced to RDU to be put on a netapp in RDU, and then mirrored by netapp back out to PHX
  • this will result in shorter times between compose and visible to the world for things like rawhide and updates
  • may delay the rawhide/updates for a bit

gcc 4.3

  • gcc4.3 is in the buildroots for dist-f9 now, and some fallout has happened, namely kernel.
  • striving to complete a mass rebuild before beta release

perl-5.10.0

  • Feature page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Perl510
  • 300 perl dependent packages as a sample set
  • these packages were the base for which virtually all of the other perl dependent packages depend on
  • out of those 300 about 60 more to build
  • once complete the plan is to merge the new perl and the rebuilt bits into rawhide
  • Fedora is the place where perl-5.10 was really first tested/used and the development ground for getting all the upstreams ported to the new perl

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<tr id="t13:05"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering Meeting</td><td><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ping: notting jeremy jwb spot warren rdieter wwoods poelcat lmacken</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><td class="action" colspan="2">* notting is here</td><td><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><td class="action" colspan="2">* lmacken </td><td><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jeremy is here</td><td><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><td class="action" colspan="2">* spot is here</td><td><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><td class="action" colspan="2">* poelcat here</td><td><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">aight.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering Meeting - F9 Alpha</td><td><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so the Alpha is being staged by mirrors.  They've had access to it since Friday</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so hopefully we'll have enough ready to go tomorrow</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'm in teh process of uploading the isos to the torrent server and creating the torrents.  That should be done this afternoon</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> lmacken</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">f13: F9-Alpha-i686-20080129.0.iso ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">lmacken: yeah, but renamed.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> lmacken</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">cool.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we'll hope the bit gets flipped and all will be happy tomorrow.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anybody have anything else to bring up wrt Alpha?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/9/AlphaTreeTesting">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/9/AlphaTreeTesting</a> is the test status page</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">we may need an updates.img for upgrades</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah, it's a bit rough around the edges, but it is an Alpha</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">yup</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">just trying to keep ahead of bug reporters to make life easier for triagers/developers</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">nod</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">oh - I want to pick a week sometime this month</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">a couple weeks before the string freeze</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">to make double-damn sure we have working boot/install images</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">so that we can put out a call for translators to grab the rescuecd (or minimal-installer.iso or whatever we call it)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">wwoods: *nod*</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">and I'm probably going to write a script in the next few days which will help make that a bit easier</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">probably that'd be a good time to also make sure we have good Live images so we can have a big internal Laptop Test-fest</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">jeremy: sweet</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">do we have ppc images for alpha?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">not live ones though</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">sorry</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">'s cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I should probably do some ppc testing.. or ask jwb to update the test status page</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">f13: if you can give me a pointer to an internal copy of the ppc bits I'll follow up on that after this meeting</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: it's on reducto</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">moving on...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora RelEng: Reversing the netapp streams</td><td><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">this was scheduled for today. we're working on pushing it back after the alpha</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">later this week we would like to reverse the netapp streams so that the content we generate in PHX can be put on a netapp in PHX, rather than rsynced to RDU to be put on a netapp in RDU, and then mirrored by netapp back out to PHX</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">this will result in shorter times between compose and visible to the world for things like rawhide and updates</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">a number of our processes will have to change though</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and ti's possible that rawhide/updates may be delayed for a bit</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">as we trial and error our way through it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting, lmacken, mmcgrath, and I are the primary folks on this task, so if you have any thoughts/concerns/suggestions hit up one of us.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anything further on this subject?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">aight.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora RelEng: Gcc43</td><td><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">gcc4.3 is in the buildroots for dist-f9 now, and some fallout has happened, namely kernel.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but more importantly is that jakub has indicated that he'd like to see a massrebuild of our packages against the new gcc at some point, after a week or so if it being in the buildroots</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">so... next week?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">March 4th is the Beta freeze</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so we'd likely have to do it next week or the week after</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and we have to decide if htis is going to be maintainer driven, or releng driven.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">IE we ask maintainers to do it and wait, or we just plow through and script massive amounts of builds.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">automated seems simpler to me</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">you'd think.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">esp. if there aren't ordering concerns</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">trying not to have conflicts is the problem.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">IE automation kicks off a build, maintainer comes along after that and also kicks off a build.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">automated was a backgroundjob, so the maintainer's job gets done first, then the automated one, automated (older) one is now the last tagged, and thus the 'newest'.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">f13: wouldn't we want the rebuilt packages to be in the beta?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: yeah... that's why we're doing it before the beta freeze</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">f13: sorry misread above</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13: is there a way to not do 'automated/background'? or to have koji check for backwardsness?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: if we don't do background, we essentially tie up the buildsystem for a few days.  no other buidls will get through until our entire set is done.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> warren_treo</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">sorry at doctor</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: as for backwardness, I don't thikn there is anything koji itself can do.  We can run a query on the tag after all is said and done to detect nvr issues though.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">the added fun is that spot is going to want to land the new perl relatively soon as well, which is going to cause all kinds of pain</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> warren_treo</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">what ver of perl?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">5.10.0</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> warren_treo</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">wow</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><td class="action" colspan="2">* spot has been chainbuilding for weeks</td><td><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> warren_treo</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">spot: is there a URL describing the compat impact of this new perl?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:34"><td class="action" colspan="2">* warren_treo wonders if anybody tested spamassassin on perl 5.10</td><td><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13: so, do we have the scripts ready to start the automated buildatron?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: nope.  I haven't spent any time on that recently</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> warren_treo</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">build order is known?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren_treo: we're ignoring buildorder</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> warren_treo</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">oh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">at least for the first pass.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">to avoid cvs conflicts, I imagine the script would go through each needed build (query to fall out of koji for things not yet built with new gcc), do a checkout, do an autobump of hte spec (*shudder*), commit/tag/build --background; and move on.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">when was the last time we did one?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">most of that has been done before</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">the autospecbump does run into problems every now and again with malformed spec files</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and catching either cvs errors, or tag errors can be difficult, as well as gathering in the build failures for investigation.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> warren_treo</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">malformed as in encoding.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> warren_treo</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren_treo: no, as in dirty games with Release: tags</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">programatically editing spec files is not easy</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">was the last rebuild maintainer-driven?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> warren_treo</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">nod</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: yeah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">the other option is to punt maintainer vs. automated to fesco >:)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> warren_treo</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">btw did we get past the gcc43 kernel build issue?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">the last one that we did any scripting of was fc6 time frame.  And then some smaller less scripted ones for the last glibc fallout where ppc was boned.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren_treo: not yet afaict</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">also, last time we let maintainers opt in/out of autobuilding</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">usually with a file in their module.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">something we should consider this time.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">basically releng should come up with a proposal on how to accomplish the rebuilds and present it to FESCo</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> warren_treo</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">I hope we can do it without cvs...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I suppose that will fall on me unless anybody else wants to take a stab at it.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> warren_treo</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">optin out that is</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren_treo: have better ideas?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we need to identify and mark packages that need to be rebuilt</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and then let maintainers scrub them from the list.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">maybe a wiki page?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> warren_treo</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">could it be added as a flag in pkgdb?  might be quick</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">pkgdb lives forever, though</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> warren_treo</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">mm</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah, not sure if pkgdb is setup for arbitrary flags like that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so I'll work up a plan, and ping ya'll as it comes along.  Not enough days in the week.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora RelEng: perl-5.10.0</td><td><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> warren_treo</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">prior to gcc43 I heard mention that mass rebuild wouldn't be necessary, what happened?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren_treo: it's not /necessary/, but desired by the gcc team.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> warren_treo</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">spot: can you give us a rundown on the perl status?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">sure.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">i identified 300 perl dependent packages as a sample set</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">these packages were the base for which virtually all of the other perl dependent packages depend on</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">Out of those 300</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">i have about 60 more to build</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">once that is done, the plan is to merge the new perl and the rebuilt bits into rawhide</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> warren_treo</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">perl-5.10 and pkgs built against it are in a separate tag now?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">warren: yes, dist-f9-perl</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">once merged, there will still be lots of things broken</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">spot: are you planning on doing a Feature for perl-5.10, which includes info about when it'll land, and what we expect other perl maintianers to do once it does land?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(and a rollback plan)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">f13: Yep, just hadn't gotten a round tuit yet.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">spot: why will there be things broken?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> warren_treo</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">rollback sounds scary when hundreds of pkgs re involved :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">warren_treo: untag!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">unless you want to force epoch into all of those.... (:</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">notting: because everything hasn't been rebuilt against the new perl yet</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">spot: .... is dist-f9-perl not going to encompass 'everything'?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> warren_treo</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">even things like pidgin build against perl</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">or are you only rebuilding pure-perl</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">notting: it would be much faster if the individual maintainers did the rebuilds</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><td class="action" colspan="2">* warren_treo wonders what will utterly fail</td><td><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">warren: so far, only one thing has failed, and I fixed it.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">this could put Fedora in a pretty cool place</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> warren_treo</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">spot: what was the cause of that failure?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">the difficulty is in the ordering</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">Fedora was the place where perl-5.10 was really first tested/used and the development ground for getting all the upstreams ported to the new perl.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">warren: old crufty code making bad assumptions about array behavior</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> warren_treo</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">f13: yes assuming the code continues to work</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> warren_treo</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">oh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13: 'fedora 9 shipped a new perl. it worked. no one noticed.'?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> warren_treo</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">gotta go now, appt coming up</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:54" class="time">13:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">notting: upstream perl certainly is watching this.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:54" class="time">13:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">we've got their backing as we go forward</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:54" class="time">13:54</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">i did the rebuild of these 300 packages so that the maintainers could just rebuild their bits without having to hunt down the other deps in the chain</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:55" class="time">13:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">this is the trunk. everything else is leaves.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:55" class="time">13:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">the day we merge, is the broken dep report going to be 400 packages long?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:55" class="time">13:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">yes.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:55" class="time">13:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hawt</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">but, for those folks tracking rawhide, it should still be mostly upgradeable.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">spot: is it possible to spit out a compat-libperl for the interim?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:57" class="time">13:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">notting: nope.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:57" class="time">13:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">i really don't want to do that.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:57" class="time">13:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">spot: how many of the broken leaves are in the build chain?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:57" class="time">13:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">in the build chain for other, non-perl packages?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">yes. say, auto*</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">nada.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">the 300 rebuilds cover those cases.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">ok then. carry on, sir!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">(base perl pulled in a lot of external modules in 5.10.0)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">made things somewhat simpler.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:59" class="time">13:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">a few packages will have to be blocked in devel at the same time that we merge</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:59" class="time">13:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">i've identified those (still need to email their maintainers and let them know)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:59" class="time">13:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> nirik</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">couldn't you just add that dist-f9-perl tag to the inheritance in koji, and rawhide would pick up all those builds? or were they just testing builds?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:59" class="time">13:59</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">nirik: that's certainly one way to do it. i defer to f13 on how he wants to do it.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:00" class="time">14:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">we need to block those packages because their n-v-r might be higher than what is in base perl.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:00" class="time">14:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">nirik: at the end of the day it doesn't necessarily matter.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:00" class="time">14:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">actually wait</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:00" class="time">14:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it does matter.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:01" class="time">14:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> nirik</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">well, it seems a waste to rebuild them all... but whatever works.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:01" class="time">14:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">a number of these perl packages have already been built in dist-f9</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:01" class="time">14:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">nirik: they won't be rebuilt.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:01" class="time">14:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we can't add dist-f9-perl to the inheritance chain, as anythign expecitly built in dist-f9 will win over anythign inherited, regardless of nvr</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:01" class="time">14:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">instead, we can just koji tag-pkg everything in dist-f9-perl to dist-f9.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:01" class="time">14:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">no rebuilding, then everything has a dist-f9 tag.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:02" class="time">14:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> nirik</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">cool.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:02" class="time">14:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">yeah, i wasn't planning on doing two rounds of rebuilds. :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:02" class="time">14:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">spot: you'll still have to identify the things that have been built since you did your dist-f9-perl build of them</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:02" class="time">14:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">yep.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:02" class="time">14:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">thankfully, most of these things don't move much at all.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:03" class="time">14:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">nod</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:03" class="time">14:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, we're running out of time here.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:03" class="time">14:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">spot: do you want to try and land perl before or after the mass rebuild?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:03" class="time">14:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">perfect world, before.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:04" class="time">14:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(and I imagine a number of your packages will have to get built anyway, for the new gcc)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:04" class="time">14:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:04" class="time">14:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">f13: some of them have already picked up the new gcc</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:04" class="time">14:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">it doesn't seem to break anything yet.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:04" class="time">14:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">break-everything-at-once?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:04" class="time">14:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: please no.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:04" class="time">14:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">i did a rebuild of perl-5.10 itself after gcc43 hit rawhide</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:04" class="time">14:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">and it is fine.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:04" class="time">14:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">spot: goot.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:04" class="time">14:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">spot: lets see where you're at next week?  I"d like to see FESCo get some visibility on this beofre we start breaking the world.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:05" class="time">14:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">sure.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:05" class="time">14:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">hopefully, i'll be ready before then.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:05" class="time">14:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">well, that would push back the 'regular' mass rebuild, then</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">(which is ok, just making sure we have a plan together)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: yeah, perl next week, mass rebuild the week after, leading up to Beta</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:06" class="time">14:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:09"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora RelEng: Open Discussion</td><td><a href="#t14:09" class="time">14:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">any thing else people would like to talk about this week?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:09" class="time">14:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">alright, calling it a meeting.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:12" class="time">14:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t14:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">cheers all!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:12" class="time">14:12</a></td></tr>
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