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Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2008-01-14

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DECISION: slip alpha freeze by one week, re-evaluate state next meeting; hold to planned GA date

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<tr id="t13:00"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering Meeting</td><td><a href="#t13:00" class="time">13:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ping jeremy jwb wwoods warren rdieter spot lmacken notting poelcat</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:00" class="time">13:00</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:01"><td class="action" colspan="2">* spot is here</td><td><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">here (mostly)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:01" class="time">13:01</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering Meeting - Fedora 9 Alpha</td><td><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><td class="action" colspan="2">* lmacken </td><td><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">alright that's likely enough to get started.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">although I'd like wwoods  :/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so, alpha, supposed to freeze tomorrow</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">which would normally mean freezing tonight right after rawhide compose.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so that rawhide tomorrow == freeze content</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">doop</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">however, our tree is in an interesting state</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: is it installable today?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">As far as I can tell.. no</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><td class="action" colspan="2">* poelcat here</td><td><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">is it uninstallable in a different way than it has been uninstallable previously?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">traces back when it tries to start the transaction</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">notting: yes!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">we have X and disks now!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">subject to the normal X caveats, e.g. "no X on sis"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I think dhcp is still screwed on x86_64</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">if you click on the "Upgrade existing system" item, the installer crashes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">that's what I've got so far</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">it's better than last week but a long way from installable</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">i just pulled out two more fontsets</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> spot</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">but that shouldn't affect anything</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I might try yum upgrading an F8 box just to do *some* functional testing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">but it's been weeks since we had an installable rawhide</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">and that's a killer</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes.  I'm not comfortable at all snapshotting for alpha at this point.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so that would mean talking about a slip</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">do we have a quick virtual whiteboard of issues?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">is in channel OK?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685"><a href="http://wwoods.fedorapeople.org/rawhide.html">http://wwoods.fedorapeople.org/rawhide.html</a> has what I've got so far</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I'll be adding the transaction crash and upgrade crash shortly</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">i just fixed nautilus-open-terminal</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">but that shouldn't make any difference either</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">but yeah, I've done *zero* functional testing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">i think 422421 is fixed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">422061 is probably OK too</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">at least it should be non-NEW</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but more importantly, no new installs are possible</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so we don't know where there are problems.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">rather where /else/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">how long's the freeze?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">week~</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">so. we want a week with an installable tree to shape it up</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">do we push the freeze until we've got an installable tree, or freeze now and extend the freeze until we hit that target?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> clumens</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">THUD</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I wanted chris to pop buy and help us make this decision.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">how likely will gdm allow logout in a week?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">clumens: we're discussing the alpha freeze tomorrow and the current state of things.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><td class="action" colspan="2">* spot would be happy if gdm allowed reliable LOGIN</td><td><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> clumens</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">alright</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">to be perfectly honest, I'd be happy if you can install, and get updates</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">yeah, so long as people can get updates we can push fixes at them later</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">but if they can't get the bits on their system we're boned</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">do we have an alpha tracking bug so folks can follow along at home?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">poelcat: not yet. one should be created.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">i have some kernel bugs to log myself.  kernel hates my laptop</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> clumens</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">f13: well we have hard drives today, and X starts on hardware that X runs on</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> clumens</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">though apparently there's some rpmdb thing now that i have not gotten a chance to investigate</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">right, and network x86_64 is still boned</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> clumens</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">static networking is probably busted too</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">oh right, forgot about that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">dcantrell where art thou?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: so what would you like to see before we take the snapshot?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> clumens</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">wwoods: 1300-0600 = probably still asleep</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jwb notes that with everything being broken he hasn't done any ppc spins</td><td><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">oh he's at UTC-6? good to know</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> clumens</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">wwoods: EST-6</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13: installable on i386, at a bare minimum</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> clumens</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">hawaii and all</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">clumens: oh duh. noted. thanks.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">wwoods: all: tracker created <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=428703">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=428703</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> buggbot</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">Bug 428703: low, low, ---, Bill Nottingham, NEW , Fedora 9 Alpha Tracking bug</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> clumens</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">so if you're asking how i feel about anaconda right now, total mixed bag</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">oh for the love of crap. my kingdom for a working CDRW</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I haven't seen a crash this colorful since the old DOS days. so that's kinda cool.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">anyway, yeah, are we going to push the freeze back or extend it?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'd rather push it back</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">it's a rel-eng only freeze right?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">then why push it back?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jwb: because it's not as if we're comfortable of have any idea whats going on outside of installer, so there isn't really a point to freeze that right now anyway</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">and the whole point of the alpha that it installs</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">f13, i wouldn't say we have no idea</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">but ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">/fobpath/?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">usb fob</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><td class="action" colspan="2">* wwoods confused by this directory</td><td><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">ah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">hm. I should use mine.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> clumens</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">so, you're saying i should get back to work?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">yeah. slacker.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I'll get you some info on that transaction crash RSN</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">ahh, I love the new URL entry screen (with proxy support and everything!)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so how do we feel about a week slip, and re-evaluate next monday?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I feel OK about it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">i feel it would be good</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">we have nowhere to go but up?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> clumens</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">we came a long way this weekend</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">well... we could go sideways... get anaconda working, and then everything after crashes?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">error: no dbpath has been set (?!)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">error: cannot open Packages database in /mnt/sysimage/%{_dbpath}</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:35" class="time">13:35</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">cute</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">sounds like that might be an easy thing to fix, though</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">nod</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, so I'll announce the slip and we'll have a work to get things better.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">a week to work?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:39"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - Open Discussion</td><td><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">F9 names?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> clumens</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">i wonder if rpm has changed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">legal got back to us</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jwb: Yeah, can you get a vote setup with toshio?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">yep, was just going to see if that's who i had to bug</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">btw, most of the good names were yanked :(</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> clumens</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">so it's down to tasticles and popplers?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">ha</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">clumens, there's a much larger list than last time.  but most of the ones people said "yeah!" at were cut</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I liked bathysphere</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">i think that one's still there</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">nice!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">nod</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting and I made some progress at making the rawhide creation process less tearful</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">oh?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we'll have to enact it soon, which includes an upgrade of releng1 to rhel5</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">although it's in a holding pattern for a bit</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">well, skvidal will fix up createrepo. but more fixage requires func-ification</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: I'm not convinced that func is the answer</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: more realisticaly we need koji integration</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">or else it's just a slightly better method of what we hav enow.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">well, there are two routes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">- a func module that controlls mock (you can set it up to create buildroots, etc.)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">- grand unified koji bits, so koji has a 'make me a rawhide' button</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">the second seems overkill</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">that's not what I'm talking about at all</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">the first is nice in that you don't actually need to worry about what the koji repos are</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we just need a koji runroot function</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">run "command" in chroot of <tag></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">upload results to /path/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">right, but rawhide is already running on its own repos</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">not the koji ones</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">which is fixable.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">how is running on a potentially stale (vis-a-vis static-repo creation) repo better?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">because then we allow koji to better pick a builder to use, registers the weight of the run on the builder itself, and handles passing the bits around for us.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">.... passing the bits?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: if you're that worried, you can trigger a newRepo task right before starting mash, and taskwait said newRepo for the buildinstall phase.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: kojibuilder can upload the output via xmlrpc to the hub, which writes it out in /mnt/koji/ somewhere.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">poelcat, where is the rel-eng schedule at?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">/mnt/koji/runroot/<task>/output</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">yeah, but 'output' is a pretty amorphous concept for pungify</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">either way we're going to have to modify koji</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">or we'll just keep ignoring the fact that rawhide tasks will abuse builders and not register as weight and we'll continue having problems of delayed rawhide due to builds.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and builds getting delayed due to rawhide.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">yes. the other thing is that a mock controller in func might be picked up quicker in general by others, but that shouldn't be a deciding factor</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">nod</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">which led me wondering if koji would have been written differently if func predated it. which is neither here nor there.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">jwb: <a href="http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-9/f-9-releng-tasks.html">http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-9/f-9-releng-tasks.html</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">poelcat, ah thanks</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13: short-term, we can do 'check load ; koji disable-builder', etc. which would require some auth tricks (certificate or otherwise)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">notting: yeah, we could do that.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">other note: as mentioned on fedora-admin, the current schedule for reversing the sync streams is february 4th</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> notting</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">which will require some changes around rawhide & bodhi, although not necessarily *in* bodhi</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:55" class="time">13:55</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, we're off in the weeds.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:57" class="time">13:57</a></td></tr>
<tr id="t13:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">poelcat: decision: slip alpha freeze a week, re-evaluate state next meeting.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:57" class="time">13:57</a></td></tr>
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