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Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2008-01-21
Meeting Summary
- Rawhide non-blocking freeze for Alpha late tonight
- Alpha packages will NOT be signed with the testing key
1. would add several days of additional delay to alpha release 1. there is no checking at install time to verifiy signatures so it doesn't matter anyway
- Release Alpha on Thursday, 2008-01-31
- f13's plan for the day
1. get a spin done with fixed dhcp6client 1. publish the rescue.isos so that other people can test with it 1. create the freeze tag and do the intial clone over to it so that the clone tonight will be quick
IRC Transcript
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering Meeting | <a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a> | |
| f13 | ping notting jeremy spot warren rdieter wwoods jwb poelcat lmacken | <a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a> |
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| * spot is here | <a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a> | |
| * lmacken is here | <a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a> | |
| jwb | not here today. real life stuff | <a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a> |
| * notting is here | <a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a> | |
| * wwoods here | <a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a> | |
| warren | whoa, how did that happen | <a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a> |
| * warren somewhat here | <a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a> | |
| f13 | ... warren how did what happen? | <a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a> |
| warren | ">somewhat< here" | <a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a> |
| warren | oh | <a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a> |
| * warren really out of it | <a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a> | |
| wwoods | did you mix us up? | <a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a> |
| * poelcat here | <a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a> | |
| * lmacken takes the crack pipe away from warren | <a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a> | |
| warren | I'm currently on Cipro | <a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a> |
| warren | fun stuff | <a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a> |
| warren | especially when I'm allergic to it | <a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a> |
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - Fedora 9 Alpha | <a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a> | |
| f13 | so... | <a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a> |
| f13 | we decided last week to slip a week and revisit today the topic of freezing. | <a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a> |
| f13 | we made some good progress last week, adn then hit some speedbumps toward the end of the week. | <a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a> |
| f13 | continuing on to today | <a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a> |
| wwoods | today's rawhide does 'ip=dhcp' correctly (yay!) but dies trying to start anaconda (aww!) | <a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a> |
| f13 | wwoods: dcantrell/clumens just found the cause of that (<a href="http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-help/2007-04/msg00307.html">http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-help/2007-04/msg00307.html</a>) | <a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a> |
| f13 | I've invited them to pop in and talk to us a bit about the alpha from their POV | <a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a> |
| clumens | THUD | <a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a> |
| f13 | thanks guys. | <a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a> |
| f13 | other than this linking issue, how do you feel about freezing today for alpha? | <a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a> |
| dcantrell | suits me | <a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a> |
| f13 | I know we fixed al ot of stuff last week, and I should be able to get some rescue images out for testing with as soon as we have a new dhcp6client build | <a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a> |
| clumens | yeah i'm fine with that. i want to fix wwoods's kickstart user command bug but i wouldn't consider that an alpha blocker. | <a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a> |
| f13 | (a working rescue image can be used with today's public rawhide tree so I can publish it out in the 'tubes for other people to use) | <a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a> |
| wwoods | system-config-rootpassword.. want that fixed for alpha as it's a one-line dang .spec change | <a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a> |
| wwoods | but yeah I think freezing today is OK | <a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a> |
| f13 | well, freeze would be late tonight | <a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a> |
| wwoods | I want to test sis video but AFAIK there's nothing horrible looming | <a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a> |
| f13 | to match up with the content of tomorrow's rawhide. | <a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a> |
| f13 | I hope we can get David Airlie's driver update to make kvm work again in | <a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a> |
| wwoods | that would be *super* | <a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a> |
| f13 | but other than that, I'm pretty OK with a freeze too. I'd like to get it done so we can shuffle some more infrastructure stuff we put on hold as to not threaten the alpha. | <a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a> |
| f13 | Proposal: Proceed with freeze as planned tonight, attempt alpha release next week. | <a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a> |
| f13 | +1 | <a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a> |
| warren | immediately after release goes gcc43? | <a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a> |
| f13 | warren: something like that. | <a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a> |
| notting | +1 for me | <a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a> |
| wwoods | +1 | <a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a> |
| warren | f13, +1 | <a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a> |
| lmacken | +1 | <a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a> |
| f13 | spot: ? | <a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a> |
| spot | +1 | <a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a> |
| f13 | aight. That passes. | <a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a> |
| f13 | the next Alpha topic I have is on the subject of signed packages. | <a href="#t13:15" class="time">13:15</a> |
| f13 | In order to have signed packages for the alpha, I'd have to start signing today, and it likely wouldn't be done until late next week, and it would likely overflow us on our current storage. | <a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a> |
| f13 | our new storage is online, but we're not switched over yet | <a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a> |
| f13 | do you think folks would come after us with pitchforks and torches should we release alpha without all the packages signed? | <a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a> |
| notting | wouldn't be done until late next week when started today? | <a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a> |
| wwoods | f13: only if it throws an error that hampers installation/updates | <a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a> |
| wwoods | but since we don't check the signatures in rawhide anyway.. | <a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a> |
| f13 | wwoods: yeah, clients wouldn't be set to balk on unsigned packages. | <a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a> |
| clumens | speaking of which, i want to fix that... | <a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a> |
| f13 | notting: late this week, guessing at current nfs performance | <a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a> |
| notting | f13: that's bad | <a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a> |
| poelcat | should they be signed if this is an "official, though not GA, release" ? | <a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a> |
| f13 | notting: yes, I know. WHich is why I'm very eager to get A) onto the new storage, and B) releng1 over to RHEL5 | <a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a> |
| f13 | poelcat: typically we sign them with the test key, but we don't do any checking that they're signed anywhere | <a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a> |
| f13 | poelcat: anaconda doesn't, nor does our yum configs for rawhide | <a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a> |
| f13 | poelcat: and all it would really do is baloon our space and potentially delay our release. | <a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a> |
| poelcat | fair enough | <a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a> |
| wwoods | nice. trying to install Windows XP on one of my test machines.. no graphics | <a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a> |
| wwoods | installer appears to be hung | <a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a> |
| f13 | Proposal: Skip gpg signing for Alpha release. Make lots of noise as to why it's skipped to avoid confusion. | <a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a> |
| f13 | +1 | <a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a> |
| lmacken | +1 | <a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a> |
| wwoods | +1 | <a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a> |
| notting | +0 | <a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a> |
| warren | +1 | <a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a> |
| poelcat | +0 | <a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a> |
| spot | +1 | <a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a> |
| f13 | aight, that passes as well. | <a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a> |
| f13 | My plan for the rest of today is to get a spin done with fixed dhcp6client and publish the rescue.isos so that other people can test with it, and create the freeze tag and do the intial clone over to it so that the clone tonight will be quick. | <a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a> |
| -!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - Open Discussion | <a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a> | |
| f13 | is there any open topics to discuss? | <a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a> |
| lmacken | when should I start spinning the livecds ? | <a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a> |
| notting | to test? probably after f13 has tested his rescue isos | <a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a> |
| lmacken | ok | <a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a> |
| notting | actually, how are we handling pre-release live testing? | <a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a> |
| f13 | notting: rescue.iso + mash output? | <a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a> |
| notting | f13: no, live image testing | <a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a> |
| f13 | those of us behind the iron curtain can get to my bits | <a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a> |
| f13 | oh Live images. | <a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a> |
| f13 | I thought there was a grid for that? | <a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a> |
| f13 | wwoods: ? | <a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a> |
| wwoods | it's on the test matrix | <a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a> |
| wwoods | <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TreeTestingTemplate">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TreeTestingTemplate</a> | <a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a> |
| wwoods | nothing specific though | <a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a> |
| wwoods | the more detailed test plan might have some specifics | <a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a> |
| f13 | what of jlaska's stuff are we going to use for alpha? | <a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a> |
| notting | right, i'm just curious if we have a specific plan for how often we spin live images, where do we put them to get testing pickup, etc. | <a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a> |
| wwoods | <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestPlans/Fedora9Install">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestPlans/Fedora9Install</a> | <a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a> |
| wwoods | that's the new test plan | <a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a> |
| wwoods | (draft) | <a href="#t13:32" class="time">13:32</a> |
| wwoods | but there's nothing Live-specific | <a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a> |
| f13 | notting: we should put something in the Torrent today or tomorrow | <a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a> |
| f13 | and ask for feedback | <a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a> |
| wwoods | oh, the getting-people-bits part of the plan | <a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a> |
| notting | wwoods: ia64 is on that page? | <a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a> |
| notting | and s390x? | <a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a> |
| wwoods | my brain says lmacken is going to be the media spinner but I dunno why | <a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a> |
| wwoods | body thetans, probably | <a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a> |
| wwoods | notting: arooo? yeah I dunno why that's there | <a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a> |
| wwoods | probably just held over from RHEL test plans | <a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a> |
| f13 | aight, is there anything else to discuss? | <a href="#t13:36" class="time">13:36</a> |
| notting | f13: how goes the-signing-server-whose-name-i-forget? do we have an intended landing date? | <a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a> |
| lmacken | sigul | <a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a> |
| f13 | notting: I've been fighting other fires and not been able to poke at it. I'd still like to land it this release cycle. | <a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a> |
| lmacken | afaik, it needs some more logic in the client. I also want to sit down with nail and make sure we're not doing anything stupid (which we are) | <a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a> |
| poelcat | f13: you'll send mail about the rescue.iso and how to use it? | <a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a> |
| f13 | poelcat: yes | <a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a> |
| notting | f13: and, we're doing split CDs for alpha, or is that waiting for beta? | <a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a> |
| f13 | notting: Planning on doing them for alpha | <a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a> |
| lmacken | s/nail/nalin/ | <a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a> |
| f13 | notting: I think I fixed one booboo which lead to always needing CD 6, and now we're back down to 1,2,3 for a default (without office) install | <a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a> |
| notting | f13: cool | <a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a> |
| f13 | I have to go out tonight and pick up more DVD+/-RW media as mine has finally becomed too trashed to use. | <a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a> |
| f13 | Ok, if there's nothing else, I'd like to get to work (: | <a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a> |
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