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== Fedora Education Spin meeting 14th January 2009 ==
== Fedora Education Spin Meeting 14th January 2009 ==


== Meeting Agenda ==
=== Meeting Agenda ===


01. Current status
# Current Status & TODO List
      * where are we right now?  why? what do we want to achieve?
# Test Plans & User Feedback
02. ToDos list
# Marketing
03. testing/ user feedback
# Artwork
04. target release date
# Documentation
05. documentation
06. getting more ppl
07. current status of the logo
08. fixing dates for next meeting


=== Meeting Minutes ===


== irc log ==
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<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* Loaded log from Wed Jan 14 16:11:57 2009</td></tr>
21:28:58 <sdziallas> okay, folks, my watch says it's time... let's get this party started!
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">okay, folks, my watch says it's time... let's get this party started!</td></tr>
21:29:34 <sdziallas> the agenda is here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Education/Meetings/2009-01-14
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">the agenda is here: <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Education/Meetings/2009-01-14">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Education/Meetings/2009-01-14</a></td></tr>
21:29:46 <sdziallas> now how about a quick roll call? who's here?
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">now how about a quick roll call? who's here?</td></tr>
21:29:56 <rdieter> yo
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">yo</td></tr>
21:30:20 * tomeu (n=tomeu@89-24-113-11.i4g.tmcz.cz) has joined #fedora-edu
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">tomeu: :)</td></tr>
21:30:40 <sdziallas> tomeu: :)
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* hanthana here</td></tr>
21:30:40 * hanthana here
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">tomeu</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">hi all</td></tr>
21:30:49 * ongolaBoy (n=chatzill@196.202.239.205) has joined #fedora-edu
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Hi! (just in time for the roll call ;)</td></tr>
21:31:23 <tomeu> hi all
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">hi tomeu :)</td></tr>
21:31:36 <sdziallas> Hi! (just in time for the roll call ;)
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">well, sounds like we could just move on following the agenda...: CURRENT STATUS</td></tr>
21:31:38 <hanthana> hi tomeu :)
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">so let me put it this way: some preliminary work on an education spin has been done, here's the wiki page for it: [[SIGs/Education/EducationLive]]</td></tr>
21:32:09 <sdziallas> well, sounds like we could just move on following the agenda...: CURRENT STATUS
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">appreciate if we can introduce, at list FAS name</td></tr>
21:32:51 <sdziallas> so let me put it this way: some preliminary work on an education spin has been done, here's the wiki page for it: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Education/EducationLive
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">;)</td></tr>
21:32:59 <hanthana> appreciate if we can introduce, at list FAS name  
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">good idea, Rex Dieter, rdieter</td></tr>
21:33:01 <hanthana> ;)
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">tomeu</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">I'm a sugar developer, Tomeu Vizoso, tomeu</td></tr>
21:33:42 <rdieter> good idea, Rex Dieter, rdieter
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* sdziallas was too quick - as usual. ;)</td></tr>
21:34:02 <tomeu> I'm a sugar developer, Tomeu Vizoso, tomeu
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">Danishka Navin, fas: snavin</td></tr>
21:34:10 * sdziallas was too quick - as usual. ;)
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">sdziallas: no worries ;)</td></tr>
21:34:12 <hanthana> Danishka Navin, fas: snavin
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">you should know me: Sebastian Dziallas, sdz</td></tr>
21:34:21 <hanthana> sdziallas: no worries ;)
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">ha ha</td></tr>
21:34:29 <sdziallas> you should know me: Sebastian Dziallas, sdz
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">okay?</td></tr>
21:34:35 <hanthana> ha ha
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">any other attendees?</td></tr>
21:35:06 <sdziallas> okay?
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">sdziallas: go ahead</td></tr>
21:35:07 <hanthana> any other attendees?
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* ongolaBoy is just a visitor interested in education matters...</td></tr>
21:35:16 <hanthana> sdziallas: go ahead
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">:)</td></tr>
21:35:50 * ongolaBoy is just a visitor interested in education matters...
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">ongolaBoy: welcome</td></tr>
21:36:06 <sdziallas> :)
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">hi ongolaBoy :)</td></tr>
21:36:14 <rdieter> ongolaBoy: welcome
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">there we go! as I said, we've started. there's a table in the wiki, listing some applications, I've drafted some kickstart files up, and well:</td></tr>
21:36:20 <hanthana> hi ongolaBoy :)
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">how'd xcfe vs kde go?&nbsp;&nbsp;need more beer to decide?</td></tr>
21:36:59 <sdziallas> there we go! as I said, we've started. there's a table in the wiki, listing some applications, I've drafted some kickstart files up, and well:
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I've currently two builds around here, one is KDE-based, the other one uses XFCE.</td></tr>
21:37:36 <rdieter> how'd xcfe vs kde go?  need more beer to decide?
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I think that's the decision we need to make first. and now.</td></tr>
21:37:40 <sdziallas> I've currently two builds around here, one is KDE-based, the other one uses XFCE.
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">To give you a quick overview:</td></tr>
21:38:06 <sdziallas> I think that's the decision we need to make first. and now.
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">The KDE spin currently only includes Qt4-based software, since I wouldn't want kdelibs3 being pulled in. It includes a number of apps, but not all (yet) - e.g., I didn't add krita (or another Gimp alternative), yet.</td></tr>
21:38:17 <sdziallas> To give you a quick overview:
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">It's size is right now 636 MB.</td></tr>
21:39:18 <sdziallas> The KDE spin currently only includes Qt4-based software, since I wouldn't want kdelibs3 being pulled in. It includes a number of apps, but not all (yet) - e.g., I didn't add krita (or another Gimp alternative), yet.
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">The XFCE one is pretty much complete, includes some other apps, due to its GTK-nature. But you get at least kdeedu on both. That spin has right now a size of 666 MB, even though I've one or two ideas for further apps.</td></tr>
21:39:27 <sdziallas> It's size is right now 636 MB.
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I feel it's clear enough that we're not going to release both.</td></tr>
21:40:28 <sdziallas> The XFCE one is pretty much complete, includes some other apps, due to its GTK-nature. But you get at least kdeedu on both. That spin has right now a size of 666 MB, even though I've one or two ideas for further apps.
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">So what we need is a decision, on how we're going to proceed.</td></tr>
21:40:49 <sdziallas> I feel it's clear enough that we're not going to release both.
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">we need at least 20MB for re-spin for other locales, so xfce is my choice</td></tr>
21:41:22 <sdziallas> So what we need is a decision, on how we're going to proceed.
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">coz, xfce spin contain more apps than kde spin</td></tr>
21:41:27 <hanthana> we need at least 20MB for re-spin for other locales, so xfce is my choice
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">As I said, I can work with both. I just need some feedback here. I'm personally using partly XFCE on the OLPC, but this doesn't prevent me from using KDE or something else (as Sugar ;).</td></tr>
21:41:58 <hanthana> coz, xfce spin contain more apps than kde spin
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">ongolaBoy</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">for which people do you intend to release this spin ?</td></tr>
21:43:27 <sdziallas> As I said, I can work with both. I just need some feedback here. I'm personally using partly XFCE on the OLPC, but this doesn't prevent me from using KDE or something else (as Sugar ;).
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">ongolaBoy: good question, we don't have a clearly targetted audience, mostly for lack of feedback (ie, not sure what people want/need).</td></tr>
21:43:52 <ongolaBoy> for which people do you intend to release this spin ?
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">It's for students, but also for teachers, pupils and schools - though, we're not going to put gcompris on it, because its intended for pupils under our target age. I'd tend to talk about something like an age of 12+...</td></tr>
21:44:49 <rdieter> ongolaBoy: good question, we don't have a clearly targetted audience, mostly for lack of feedback (ie, not sure what people want/need).
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* rdieter is indifferent wrt xfce vs kde, might be interesting to explore something new/different with xfce.</td></tr>
21:45:14 <sdziallas> It's for students, but also for teachers, pupils and schools - though, we're not going to put gcompris on it, because its intended for pupils under our target age. I'd tend to talk about something like an age of 12+...
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">ongolaBoy</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">personaly i prefer xfce because of the low machines that i have in my environment...</td></tr>
21:45:30 * rdieter is indifferent wrt xfce vs kde, might be interesting to explore something new/different with xfce.
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">rdieter is right there: in the past, we've been doing what we thought would fit people's needs best. but due to a lack of feedback, it turned out, that it was not always the best...</td></tr>
21:46:04 <ongolaBoy> personaly i prefer xfce because of the low machines that i have in my environment...
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">ongolaBoy</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">but i suggest you to release what you, the developpers, want to do</td></tr>
21:46:06 <sdziallas> rdieter is right there: in the past, we've been doing what we thought would fit people's needs best. but due to a lack of feedback, it turned out, that it was not always the best...
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">yeah, that's also why I want us to talk about it. but the better we can fit people's needs, the better for us, as developers, because our stuff becomes - hopefully - more used ;)</td></tr>
21:46:39 <ongolaBoy> but i suggest you to release what you, the developpers, want to do
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">so I think... we'll have a closer look at the xfce spin?!</td></tr>
21:47:43 <sdziallas> yeah, that's also why I want us to talk about it. but the better we can fit people's needs, the better for us, as developers, because our stuff becomes - hopefully - more used ;)
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">so, guys lets fix xfce as the spin</td></tr>
21:48:08 <sdziallas> so I think... we'll have a closer look at the xfce spin?!
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">ongolaBoy</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">so, if i was able to vote ;) i prefer xfce</td></tr>
21:48:18 <hanthana> so, guys lets fix xfce as the spin
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">+1 xfce</td></tr>
21:48:23 <ongolaBoy> so, if i was able to vote ;) i prefer xfce
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">okay, I'll take a note and update the spin's page in the wiki with an updated list.</td></tr>
21:48:43 <hanthana> +1 xfce
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">tomeu</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">about sugar, better wait until there's better support for unmodified apps</td></tr>
21:48:44 <sdziallas> okay, I'll take a note and update the spin's page in the wiki with an updated list.
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">tomeu</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">next release, hopefully</td></tr>
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<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">there's already a sugar spin anyway, isn't there?</td></tr>
21:50:01 <tomeu> about sugar, better wait until there's better support for unmodified apps
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">tomeu: yeah, in the meantime, we have the sugar spin (which I hope to get approved soonish, too)</td></tr>
21:50:07 <tomeu> next release, hopefully
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">heh. *hint* :)</td></tr>
21:50:41 <rdieter> there's already a sugar spin anyway, isn't there?
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">that said, perhaps there could be merging here</td></tr>
21:50:42 <sdziallas> tomeu: yeah, in the meantime, we have the sugar spin (which I hope to get approved soonish, too)
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">tomeu</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">yeah, I guess it will be very difficult to have a single spin good for all ages</td></tr>
21:50:50 <sdziallas> heh. *hint* :)
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">yep, that's true. we can't target everyone without... bloating it for someone.</td></tr>
21:51:06 <rdieter> that said, perhaps there could be merging here
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">(neither sugar nor kdeedu is imo bloat, but I'd like to select apps, too)</td></tr>
21:51:45 <tomeu> yeah, I guess it will be very difficult to have a single spin good for all ages
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">tomeu</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">you can keep focusing now on 12+ and do something else later for &lt;12</td></tr>
21:52:10 <sdziallas> yep, that's true. we can't target everyone without... bloating it for someone.
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">ongolaBoy</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">+1 for +12</td></tr>
21:52:42 <sdziallas> (neither sugar nor kdeedu is imo bloat, but I'd like to select apps, too)
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">yeah, I feel we should consider something on behalf of how those spins will be working together (or who they're targetting)...</td></tr>
21:53:02 <tomeu> you can keep focusing now on 12+ and do something else later for <12
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I'll make another note on that in the wiki / meeting summary.</td></tr>
21:53:48 <ongolaBoy> +1 for +12
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">does anybody want to add something to the current state or can we move on?</td></tr>
21:54:22 <sdziallas> yeah, I feel we should consider something on behalf of how those spins will be working together (or who they're targetting)...
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I'll take that as a no ;)</td></tr>
21:54:56 <sdziallas> I'll make another note on that in the wiki / meeting summary.
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Well, what needs to be done?</td></tr>
21:55:37 <sdziallas> does anybody want to add something to the current state or can we move on?
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">The spin needs some polishing: I'll update the kickstart file and will - once it's somehow ready - submit it to the Spin SIG for technical approval.</td></tr>
21:56:24 <sdziallas> I'll take that as a no ;)
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Next steps are then approval from the board and finally from rel-eng. Those are the steps... concerning policy.</td></tr>
21:56:30 <sdziallas> Well, what needs to be done?
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">sdziallas: before that shall we do a small user testing?</td></tr>
21:57:06 <sdziallas> The spin needs some polishing: I'll update the kickstart file and will - once it's somehow ready - submit it to the Spin SIG for technical approval.
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">What else do we need? Imo, feedback, feedback, and still more feedback...</td></tr>
21:57:27 <sdziallas> Next steps are then approval from the board and finally from rel-eng. Those are the steps... concerning policy.
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">by giving the spin to selected people [students and teachers]</td></tr>
21:57:51 <hanthana> sdziallas: before that shall we do a small user testing?
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">(which brings us also to point 03 on the list - they go hand in hand, I think)</td></tr>
21:58:03 <sdziallas> What else do we need? Imo, feedback, feedback, and still more feedback...
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">hanthana: I think it might be a good idea - not necessarily before submitting it to Spin SIG, but I think such a testing can't be too bad. So a +1 here.</td></tr>
21:58:12 <hanthana> by giving the spin to selected people [students and teachers]
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">ongolaBoy</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">'hand in hand' should be the fastest way to have feedback from users</td></tr>
21:58:27 <sdziallas> (which brings us also to point 03 on the list - they go hand in hand, I think)
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">i can help for that</td></tr>
21:58:57 <sdziallas> hanthana: I think it might be a good idea - not necessarily before submitting it to Spin SIG, but I think such a testing can't be too bad. So a +1 here.
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">We might think about a fitting time (frame) here, but we can run such a test in parallel.</td></tr>
21:59:20 <ongolaBoy> 'hand in hand' should be the fastest way to have feedback from users
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">as i have contacts with local Edu officials</td></tr>
21:59:29 <hanthana> i can help for that
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Yeah, ongolaBoy!</td></tr>
21:59:35 <sdziallas> We might think about a fitting time (frame) here, but we can run such a test in parallel.
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">hanthana: that would be great!</td></tr>
21:59:43 <hanthana> as i have contacts with local Edu officials
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">lets fix a time frame for 1st feedback</td></tr>
21:59:44 <sdziallas> Yeah, ongolaBoy!
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* ongolaBoy has a low internet connection :(</td></tr>
21:59:52 <sdziallas> hanthana: that would be great!
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Btw: For any inofficial - pre-release spins - we need a possibility to host it somewhere. (If you don't want to build it everytime on your own)</td></tr>
22:00:21 <hanthana> lets fix a time frame for 1st feedback
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* sdziallas checks F11 schedule</td></tr>
22:00:22 * ongolaBoy has a low internet connection :(
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">i mean, lets give them one week for testing/playing</td></tr>
22:00:38 <sdziallas> Btw: For any inofficial - pre-release spins - we need a possibility to host it somewhere. (If you don't want to build it everytime on your own)
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">hanthana: a week or so would be fine with me, maybe two, but not more, since we also need some time for the results and working on it...</td></tr>
22:00:44 * sdziallas checks F11 schedule
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">yeah</td></tr>
22:00:44 <hanthana> i mean, lets give them one week for testing/playing
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">sdziallas: lets ready for one week,</td></tr>
22:01:28 <sdziallas> hanthana: a week or so would be fine with me, maybe two, but not more, since we also need some time for the results and working on it...
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">okay!</td></tr>
22:01:39 <hanthana> yeah
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">they might take another week if they want</td></tr>
22:02:03 <hanthana> sdziallas: lets ready for one week,
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">(another note for me and the wiki ;)</td></tr>
22:02:13 <sdziallas> okay!
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">sounds good to me.</td></tr>
22:02:18 <hanthana> they might take another week if they want
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">next question: when do we want to start this? Here's the schedule for F11: [[Releases/11/Schedule]]</td></tr>
22:02:24 <sdziallas> (another note for me and the wiki ;)
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Feature freeze is at the beginning of march.</td></tr>
22:02:28 <sdziallas> sounds good to me.
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">2009-04-14 - Final Development Freeze</td></tr>
22:02:59 <sdziallas> next question: when do we want to start this? Here's the schedule for F11: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/11/Schedule
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I need some time for preparing the kickstart, then it needs to be built. And then, we let the testing run for a week or so, right?</td></tr>
22:03:22 <sdziallas> Feature freeze is at the beginning of march.
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">lets target march</td></tr>
22:04:07 <hanthana> 2009-04-14 - Final Development Freeze
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">for testing? or for having something really working ready?</td></tr>
22:04:12 <sdziallas> I need some time for preparing the kickstart, then it needs to be built. And then, we let the testing run for a week or so, right?
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685"> really working ready</td></tr>
22:04:19 <hanthana> lets target march
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">(this doesn't prevent us from working on pre-release stuff, either.)</td></tr>
22:04:21 * heffer (n=felix@fedora/heffer) has joined #fedora-edu
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">sdziallas: i would like to start testing before February</td></tr>
22:04:48 <sdziallas> for testing? or for having something really working ready?
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">any objections or additions here? we might need to use a F10 base then for testing; Rawhide might be too buggy.</td></tr>
22:05:05 <hanthana> really working ready
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">ongolaBoy</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">the 'final' release should rolled out with f11 right ?</td></tr>
22:05:24 <sdziallas> (this doesn't prevent us from working on pre-release stuff, either.)
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">I can help host a spin</td></tr>
22:05:27 <hanthana> sdziallas: i would like to start testing before February
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">yes</td></tr>
22:06:23 <sdziallas> any objections or additions here? we might need to use a F10 base then for testing; Rawhide might be too buggy.
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">rdieter: cool</td></tr>
22:07:35 <ongolaBoy> the 'final' release should rolled out with f11 right ?
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">for testing, that is.</td></tr>
22:07:45 <rdieter> I can help host a spin
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">rdieter: that would be great :)</td></tr>
22:07:47 <hanthana> yes
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">i am also trying to locally host</td></tr>
22:07:53 <hanthana> rdieter: cool
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">here we have schooNet, and University Network</td></tr>
22:07:55 <rdieter> for testing, that is.
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">I can be a torrent seed/tracker is what I had in mind.</td></tr>
22:08:06 <sdziallas> rdieter: that would be great :)
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">hanthana: you?</td></tr>
22:08:25 <hanthana> i am also trying to locally host
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">as a side note, I finally dropped the f9-edu preview spin that had been hosted for quite awhile, nope nobody minds...</td></tr>
22:08:48 <hanthana> here we have schooNet, and University Network
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">rdieter: i am planning for direct download and hand to hand distribution</td></tr>
22:09:27 <rdieter> I can be a torrent seed/tracker is what I had in mind.
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">hanthana: cool, when/if that's available, let me know, and I'll add it as a web seed for the torrent</td></tr>
22:09:44 <rdieter> hanthana: you?
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">rdieter: nope... that's more than okay ;)</td></tr>
22:10:57 <rdieter> as a side note, I finally dropped the f9-edu preview spin that had been hosted for quite awhile, nope nobody minds...
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">okay, this sounds like a good plan (having both)!</td></tr>
22:10:59 <hanthana> rdieter: i am planning for direct download and hand to hand distribution
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">tomorrow i am talking to edu officials, regarding hosting and distributing of the test copy</td></tr>
22:11:25 <rdieter> hanthana: cool, when/if that's available, let me know, and I'll add it as a web seed for the torrent
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">and we need a creating a bugzilla component - ToDo</td></tr>
22:11:49 <sdziallas> rdieter: nope... that's more than okay ;)
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">btw, sdziallas when we are going to start the testing?</td></tr>
22:12:03 <sdziallas> okay, this sounds like a good plan (having both)!
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">lets fix a time duration now</td></tr>
22:12:31 <hanthana> tomorrow i am talking to edu officials, regarding hosting and distributing of the test copy
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* sdziallas hasn' checked out yet, how to do this; but I'll make a note regarding bugzilla, to look into this</td></tr>
22:12:52 <hanthana> and we need a creating a bugzilla component - ToDo
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">I would venture that spin approval is a prereq for any bz component creation, but I could be wrong</td></tr>
22:13:21 <hanthana> btw, sdziallas when we are going to start the testing?
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">well... I don't need a long time for preparing the kickstart file (so somebody wants further apps on it - *that* is the time to suggest them, to get 'em tested) ;)</td></tr>
22:13:38 <hanthana> lets fix a time duration now
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">*if somebody wants further apps...</td></tr>
22:14:01 * sdziallas hasn' checked out yet, how to do this; but I'll make a note regarding bugzilla, to look into this
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">shall we start from 25th Jan to 7th Feb</td></tr>
22:14:44 <rdieter> I would venture that spin approval is a prereq for any bz component creation, but I could be wrong
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">rdieter: might be true. if necessary, I can ask around ;)</td></tr>
22:14:45 <sdziallas> well... I don't need a long time for preparing the kickstart file (so somebody wants further apps on it - *that* is the time to suggest them, to get 'em tested) ;)
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">hanthana: I'm fine with that.</td></tr>
22:15:09 <sdziallas> *if somebody wants further apps...
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">leaves us enough time to make sure we're not distributing bad stuff to the testers and is still way enough before march.</td></tr>
22:16:01 <hanthana> shall we start from 25th Jan to 7th Feb
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">+1</td></tr>
22:16:08 <sdziallas> rdieter: might be true. if necessary, I can ask around ;)
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">any objections? if not, I'll add that to the wiki after the meeting, too.</td></tr>
22:16:59 <sdziallas> hanthana: I'm fine with that.
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* ongolaBoy has nothing to add ...</td></tr>
22:17:35 <sdziallas> leaves us enough time to make sure we're not distributing bad stuff to the testers and is still way enough before march.
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">okey dokey. (just want to make sure everybody's happy)</td></tr>
22:17:36 <sdziallas> +1
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">heh</td></tr>
22:18:47 <sdziallas> any objections? if not, I'll add that to the wiki after the meeting, too.
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">what else there is left? documentation? an artwork?</td></tr>
22:19:11 * ongolaBoy has nothing to add ...
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">04. Marketting plan for spreading fedora edu spin</td></tr>
22:19:31 <sdziallas> okey dokey. (just want to make sure everybody's happy)
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">marketing is good. :)</td></tr>
22:19:39 <hanthana> heh
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">Marketting plan for spreading fedora edu spin</td></tr>
22:20:03 <sdziallas> what else there is left? documentation? an artwork?
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">workshops, seminas, installFest, etc</td></tr>
22:20:32 <hanthana> 04. Marketting plan for spreading fedora edu spin
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">Fedora edu - tshirt for those who working for the project ;)</td></tr>
22:20:52 <sdziallas> marketing is good. :)
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">w00t!</td></tr>
22:20:59 <hanthana> Marketting plan for spreading fedora edu spin
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">i do ..... workshops, seminas, installFest, etc</td></tr>
22:20:59 <hanthana> workshops, seminas, installFest, etc
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">ongolaBoy</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">concerning Artwork, is it possible to ask to Nicu and his friends to create special stuff off edu</td></tr>
22:20:59 <hanthana> Fedora edu - tshirt for those who working for the project ;)
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I've... submitted a request for artwork some time ago:</td></tr>
22:21:17 <sdziallas> w00t!
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">ongolaBoy</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">but i don't know how you communicate between team in general ...</td></tr>
22:21:52 <hanthana> i do ..... workshops, seminas, installFest, etc
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">most definietely possible, couldn't hurt to ask the fedora-art team, they're usually quite good at delivering</td></tr>
22:21:57 <ongolaBoy> concerning Artwork, is it possible to ask to Nicu and his friends to create special stuff off edu
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">[[Artwork/DesignService#Fedora_Education]]</td></tr>
22:22:17 <sdziallas> I've... submitted a request for artwork some time ago:
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">but that was ages ago - I recieved a wiki banner from tatica, but I didn't add it yet, since I felt... it would need to be discussed with her / the artwork team first.</td></tr>
22:22:24 <ongolaBoy> but i don't know how you communicate between team in general ...
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">sdziallas: we need a poster/ Boucher</td></tr>
22:22:27 <rdieter> most definietely possible, couldn't hurt to ask the fedora-art team, they're usually quite good at delivering
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I also asked for special artwork for our spin, such as a wallpaper, but: work in progress, afaik ;)</td></tr>
22:22:33 <sdziallas> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService#Fedora_Education
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">yeah!</td></tr>
22:23:04 <sdziallas> but that was ages ago - I recieved a wiki banner from tatica, but I didn't add it yet, since I felt... it would need to be discussed with her / the artwork team first.
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">rdieter</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">would probably help if someone volunteered to lead the art effort, and potentially poke/prod/bribe them</td></tr>
22:23:12 <hanthana> sdziallas: we need a poster/ Boucher
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">yeah, well, I can go and update the request quite a bit... I'm a bit lazy about poking 'em, but I could do that. (hopefully, I don't forget) ;)</td></tr>
22:23:40 <sdziallas> I also asked for special artwork for our spin, such as a wallpaper, but: work in progress, afaik ;)
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* sdziallas makes another mental note.</td></tr>
22:23:42 <sdziallas> yeah!
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">okay? anything else on behalf of artwork? nope?...</td></tr>
22:23:53 <rdieter> would probably help if someone volunteered to lead the art effort, and potentially poke/prod/bribe them
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">ongolaBoy</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">sdziallas:at least for artwork, update your request by replacing kde by xfce...</td></tr>
22:25:27 <sdziallas> yeah, well, I can go and update the request quite a bit... I'm a bit lazy about poking 'em, but I could do that. (hopefully, I don't forget) ;)
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">sdziallas: 'adding a wallpaper ' grate idea!!</td></tr>
22:25:32 * sdziallas makes another mental note.
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">ongolaBoy, yeah; will do. it's quite outdated there, I know...</td></tr>
22:26:53 <sdziallas> okay? anything else on behalf of artwork? nope?...
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">okay :)</td></tr>
22:27:13 <ongolaBoy> sdziallas:at least for artwork, update your request by replacing kde by xfce...
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">do we need CD/DVD cover?</td></tr>
22:27:16 <hanthana> sdziallas: 'adding a wallpaper ' grate idea!!
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">stickers?</td></tr>
22:27:39 <sdziallas> ongolaBoy, yeah; will do. it's quite outdated there, I know...
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">maybe later on, yeah. and some flyers couldn't hurt either. But partly general Fedora stuff should be fine, too.</td></tr>
22:27:54 <sdziallas> okay :)
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">* sdziallas loves our t-shirts :)</td></tr>
22:28:01 <hanthana> do we need CD/DVD cover?
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">we can add Edu spin promotion with F11 release</td></tr>
22:28:09 <hanthana> stickers?
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">(for which we need rel-engs approval, but I'll take care of that)</td></tr>
22:28:54 <sdziallas> maybe later on, yeah. and some flyers couldn't hurt either. But partly general Fedora stuff should be fine, too.
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">okay? can we move on here? (sorry if I'm rushing a bit)</td></tr>
22:29:02 * sdziallas loves our t-shirts :)
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">ongolaBoy</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">.</td></tr>
22:29:47 <hanthana> we can add Edu spin promotion with F11 release
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">ok</td></tr>
22:30:15 <sdziallas> (for which we need rel-engs approval, but I'll take care of that)
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">next!</td></tr>
22:31:24 <sdziallas> okay? can we move on here? (sorry if I'm rushing a bit)
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">Documentation:</td></tr>
22:31:34 <ongolaBoy> .
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">HowTos related to the Fedora Education Spin.</td></tr>
22:31:40 <hanthana> ok
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">for an example;</td></tr>
22:31:43 <hanthana> next!
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">'How to install Edu Spin to the system?'</td></tr>
22:31:57 <hanthana> Documentation:
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">'How to install other software using Fedora repo?'</td></tr>
22:32:05 <hanthana> HowTos related to the Fedora Education Spin.
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">the latter one should be more or less explained somewhere (I'd bet there are already howtos for this), but the first or 'which additional educational software can I get?' or 'what does this app offer me?' would be other examples...</td></tr>
22:32:05 <hanthana> for an example; 
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">this one could be worked out together with questions we might recieve from testing...</td></tr>
22:32:05 <hanthana> 'How to install Edu Spin to the system?'
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">yes</td></tr>
22:32:05 <hanthana> 'How to install other software using Fedora repo?'
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">good idea</td></tr>
22:33:18 <sdziallas> the latter one should be more or less explained somewhere (I'd bet there are already howtos for this), but the first or 'which additional educational software can I get?' or 'what does this app offer me?' would be other examples...
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">ongolaBoy</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">'what package can i use for algebra,geometry,electronics,...?'</td></tr>
22:34:10 * ctyler (n=chris@global.proximity.on.ca) has joined #fedora-edu
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">exactly!</td></tr>
22:35:21 <sdziallas> this one could be worked out together with questions we might recieve from testing...
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">ongolaBoy: +1</td></tr>
22:35:36 <hanthana> yes
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">okay... anything else you want to discuss?</td></tr>
22:35:43 <hanthana> good idea
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">fixing dates for next meeting?</td></tr>
22:36:23 <ongolaBoy> 'what package can i use for algebra,geometry,electronics,...?'
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">well, that's our last task, before adjourning the meeting, I think ;)</td></tr>
22:36:30 <sdziallas> exactly!
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">so if there's nothing more to discuss, I thing we can head for that, yeah.</td></tr>
22:36:38 <hanthana> ongolaBoy: +1
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">'getting more ppl ' we can achieve this during testing period</td></tr>
22:37:11 <sdziallas> okay... anything else you want to discuss?
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">yep, that's marketing, testing, all that...</td></tr>
22:37:31 <hanthana> fixing dates for next meeting?
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">we have to meet before starting the testing session</td></tr>
22:37:59 <sdziallas> well, that's our last task, before adjourning the meeting, I think ;)
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">honestly, I'm not sure, yet: next week would be the 21st. I think we should talk again before beginning the testing, touh.</td></tr>
22:38:18 <sdziallas> so if there's nothing more to discuss, I thing we can head for that, yeah.
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">*though</td></tr>
22:39:06 <hanthana> 'getting more ppl ' we can achieve this during testing period
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">yep.</td></tr>
22:39:23 <sdziallas> yep, that's marketing, testing, all that...
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">ok 21st fine for me</td></tr>
22:39:47 <hanthana> we have to meet before starting the testing session
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">rdieter: ongolaBoy: sdziallas: any idea?</td></tr>
22:39:50 <sdziallas> honestly, I'm not sure, yet: next week would be the 21st. I think we should talk again before beginning the testing, touh.
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">well, let's note the 21st for the moment. I cannot promise that it will work for me, yet, but I think it should.</td></tr>
22:39:56 <sdziallas> *though
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">(if the others agree)</td></tr>
22:39:58 <sdziallas> yep.
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">ongolaBoy</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">hum... i can't give a date because i'm not very available ;choose date that fit to you</td></tr>
22:40:42 <hanthana> ok 21st fine for me
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">ongolaBoy</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">any date i mean</td></tr>
22:40:57 <hanthana> rdieter: ongolaBoy: sdziallas: any idea?
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">okay? 21st for now?</td></tr>
22:41:43 <sdziallas> well, let's note the 21st for the moment. I cannot promise that it will work for me, yet, but I think it should.
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">ongolaBoy</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">.</td></tr>
22:41:50 <sdziallas> (if the others agree)
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">there we go. we might reconsider it again, if it doesn't fit for anybody. well... is that it? are we done?</td></tr>
22:42:03 <ongolaBoy> hum... i can't give a date because i'm not very available ;choose date that fit to you
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">ok</td></tr>
22:42:11 <ongolaBoy> any date i mean
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">thanks everybody for attending!</td></tr>
22:43:39 <sdziallas> okay? 21st for now?
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">:)</td></tr>
22:43:53 <ongolaBoy> .
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">thanks all!</td></tr>
22:44:34 <sdziallas> there we go. we might reconsider it again, if it doesn't fit for anybody. well... is that it? are we done?
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">lets make a good spin for the community!!</td></tr>
22:45:07 <hanthana> ok
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">ongolaBoy</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">i appreciate your efforts</td></tr>
22:45:31 <sdziallas> thanks everybody for attending!
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">yeah! :)</td></tr>
22:45:45 <hanthana> thanks all!
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">so I'd say...</td></tr>
22:45:45 <sdziallas> :)
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">5</td></tr>
22:45:58 <hanthana> lets make a good spin for the community!!
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">4</td></tr>
22:46:03 <ongolaBoy> i appreciate your efforts
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">3</td></tr>
22:46:19 <sdziallas> yeah! :)
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">2</td></tr>
22:46:22 <sdziallas> so I'd say...
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">1</td></tr>
22:46:23 <sdziallas> 5
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">1/2</td></tr>
22:46:23 <sdziallas> 4
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">ongolaBoy</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">:D</td></tr>
22:46:24 <sdziallas> 3
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">.009</td></tr>
22:46:26 <sdziallas> 2
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">hanthana</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">.0009</td></tr>
22:46:27 <sdziallas> 1
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">sdziallas</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">= meeting adjourned =</td></tr>
22:46:32 <sdziallas> 1/2
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22:46:32 <ongolaBoy> :D
22:46:37 <hanthana> .009
22:46:41 <hanthana> .0009
22:46:43 <sdziallas> = meeting adjourned =


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Fedora Education Spin Meeting 14th January 2009

Meeting Agenda

  1. Current Status & TODO List
  2. Test Plans & User Feedback
  3. Marketing
  4. Artwork
  5. Documentation

Meeting Minutes

* Loaded log from Wed Jan 14 16:11:57 2009
sdziallasokay, folks, my watch says it's time... let's get this party started!
sdziallasthe agenda is here: <a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Education/Meetings/2009-01-14">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Education/Meetings/2009-01-14</a>
sdziallasnow how about a quick roll call? who's here?
rdieteryo
sdziallastomeu: :)
* hanthana here
tomeuhi all
sdziallasHi! (just in time for the roll call ;)
hanthanahi tomeu :)
sdziallaswell, sounds like we could just move on following the agenda...: CURRENT STATUS
sdziallasso let me put it this way: some preliminary work on an education spin has been done, here's the wiki page for it: SIGs/Education/EducationLive
hanthanaappreciate if we can introduce, at list FAS name
hanthana;)
rdietergood idea, Rex Dieter, rdieter
tomeuI'm a sugar developer, Tomeu Vizoso, tomeu
* sdziallas was too quick - as usual. ;)
hanthanaDanishka Navin, fas: snavin
hanthanasdziallas: no worries ;)
sdziallasyou should know me: Sebastian Dziallas, sdz
hanthanaha ha
sdziallasokay?
hanthanaany other attendees?
hanthanasdziallas: go ahead
* ongolaBoy is just a visitor interested in education matters...
sdziallas:)
rdieterongolaBoy: welcome
hanthanahi ongolaBoy :)
sdziallasthere we go! as I said, we've started. there's a table in the wiki, listing some applications, I've drafted some kickstart files up, and well:
rdieterhow'd xcfe vs kde go?  need more beer to decide?
sdziallasI've currently two builds around here, one is KDE-based, the other one uses XFCE.
sdziallasI think that's the decision we need to make first. and now.
sdziallasTo give you a quick overview:
sdziallasThe KDE spin currently only includes Qt4-based software, since I wouldn't want kdelibs3 being pulled in. It includes a number of apps, but not all (yet) - e.g., I didn't add krita (or another Gimp alternative), yet.
sdziallasIt's size is right now 636 MB.
sdziallasThe XFCE one is pretty much complete, includes some other apps, due to its GTK-nature. But you get at least kdeedu on both. That spin has right now a size of 666 MB, even though I've one or two ideas for further apps.
sdziallasI feel it's clear enough that we're not going to release both.
sdziallasSo what we need is a decision, on how we're going to proceed.
hanthanawe need at least 20MB for re-spin for other locales, so xfce is my choice
hanthanacoz, xfce spin contain more apps than kde spin
sdziallasAs I said, I can work with both. I just need some feedback here. I'm personally using partly XFCE on the OLPC, but this doesn't prevent me from using KDE or something else (as Sugar ;).
ongolaBoyfor which people do you intend to release this spin ?
rdieterongolaBoy: good question, we don't have a clearly targetted audience, mostly for lack of feedback (ie, not sure what people want/need).
sdziallasIt's for students, but also for teachers, pupils and schools - though, we're not going to put gcompris on it, because its intended for pupils under our target age. I'd tend to talk about something like an age of 12+...
* rdieter is indifferent wrt xfce vs kde, might be interesting to explore something new/different with xfce.
ongolaBoypersonaly i prefer xfce because of the low machines that i have in my environment...
sdziallasrdieter is right there: in the past, we've been doing what we thought would fit people's needs best. but due to a lack of feedback, it turned out, that it was not always the best...
ongolaBoybut i suggest you to release what you, the developpers, want to do
sdziallasyeah, that's also why I want us to talk about it. but the better we can fit people's needs, the better for us, as developers, because our stuff becomes - hopefully - more used ;)
sdziallasso I think... we'll have a closer look at the xfce spin?!
hanthanaso, guys lets fix xfce as the spin
ongolaBoyso, if i was able to vote ;) i prefer xfce
hanthana+1 xfce
sdziallasokay, I'll take a note and update the spin's page in the wiki with an updated list.
tomeuabout sugar, better wait until there's better support for unmodified apps
tomeunext release, hopefully
rdieterthere's already a sugar spin anyway, isn't there?
sdziallastomeu: yeah, in the meantime, we have the sugar spin (which I hope to get approved soonish, too)
sdziallasheh. *hint* :)
rdieterthat said, perhaps there could be merging here
tomeuyeah, I guess it will be very difficult to have a single spin good for all ages
sdziallasyep, that's true. we can't target everyone without... bloating it for someone.
sdziallas(neither sugar nor kdeedu is imo bloat, but I'd like to select apps, too)
tomeuyou can keep focusing now on 12+ and do something else later for <12
ongolaBoy+1 for +12
sdziallasyeah, I feel we should consider something on behalf of how those spins will be working together (or who they're targetting)...
sdziallasI'll make another note on that in the wiki / meeting summary.
sdziallasdoes anybody want to add something to the current state or can we move on?
sdziallasI'll take that as a no ;)
sdziallasWell, what needs to be done?
sdziallasThe spin needs some polishing: I'll update the kickstart file and will - once it's somehow ready - submit it to the Spin SIG for technical approval.
sdziallasNext steps are then approval from the board and finally from rel-eng. Those are the steps... concerning policy.
hanthanasdziallas: before that shall we do a small user testing?
sdziallasWhat else do we need? Imo, feedback, feedback, and still more feedback...
hanthanaby giving the spin to selected people [students and teachers]
sdziallas(which brings us also to point 03 on the list - they go hand in hand, I think)
sdziallashanthana: I think it might be a good idea - not necessarily before submitting it to Spin SIG, but I think such a testing can't be too bad. So a +1 here.
ongolaBoy'hand in hand' should be the fastest way to have feedback from users
hanthanai can help for that
sdziallasWe might think about a fitting time (frame) here, but we can run such a test in parallel.
hanthanaas i have contacts with local Edu officials
sdziallasYeah, ongolaBoy!
sdziallashanthana: that would be great!
hanthanalets fix a time frame for 1st feedback
* ongolaBoy has a low internet connection :(
sdziallasBtw: For any inofficial - pre-release spins - we need a possibility to host it somewhere. (If you don't want to build it everytime on your own)
* sdziallas checks F11 schedule
hanthanai mean, lets give them one week for testing/playing
sdziallashanthana: a week or so would be fine with me, maybe two, but not more, since we also need some time for the results and working on it...
hanthanayeah
hanthanasdziallas: lets ready for one week,
sdziallasokay!
hanthanathey might take another week if they want
sdziallas(another note for me and the wiki ;)
sdziallassounds good to me.
sdziallasnext question: when do we want to start this? Here's the schedule for F11: Releases/11/Schedule
sdziallasFeature freeze is at the beginning of march.
hanthana2009-04-14 - Final Development Freeze
sdziallasI need some time for preparing the kickstart, then it needs to be built. And then, we let the testing run for a week or so, right?
hanthanalets target march
sdziallasfor testing? or for having something really working ready?
hanthana really working ready
sdziallas(this doesn't prevent us from working on pre-release stuff, either.)
hanthanasdziallas: i would like to start testing before February
sdziallasany objections or additions here? we might need to use a F10 base then for testing; Rawhide might be too buggy.
ongolaBoythe 'final' release should rolled out with f11 right ?
rdieterI can help host a spin
hanthanayes
hanthanardieter: cool
rdieterfor testing, that is.
sdziallasrdieter: that would be great :)
hanthanai am also trying to locally host
hanthanahere we have schooNet, and University Network
rdieterI can be a torrent seed/tracker is what I had in mind.
rdieterhanthana: you?
rdieteras a side note, I finally dropped the f9-edu preview spin that had been hosted for quite awhile, nope nobody minds...
hanthanardieter: i am planning for direct download and hand to hand distribution
rdieterhanthana: cool, when/if that's available, let me know, and I'll add it as a web seed for the torrent
sdziallasrdieter: nope... that's more than okay ;)
sdziallasokay, this sounds like a good plan (having both)!
hanthanatomorrow i am talking to edu officials, regarding hosting and distributing of the test copy
hanthanaand we need a creating a bugzilla component - ToDo
hanthanabtw, sdziallas when we are going to start the testing?
hanthanalets fix a time duration now
* sdziallas hasn' checked out yet, how to do this; but I'll make a note regarding bugzilla, to look into this
rdieterI would venture that spin approval is a prereq for any bz component creation, but I could be wrong
sdziallaswell... I don't need a long time for preparing the kickstart file (so somebody wants further apps on it - *that* is the time to suggest them, to get 'em tested) ;)
sdziallas*if somebody wants further apps...
hanthanashall we start from 25th Jan to 7th Feb
sdziallasrdieter: might be true. if necessary, I can ask around ;)
sdziallashanthana: I'm fine with that.
sdziallasleaves us enough time to make sure we're not distributing bad stuff to the testers and is still way enough before march.
sdziallas+1
sdziallasany objections? if not, I'll add that to the wiki after the meeting, too.
* ongolaBoy has nothing to add ...
sdziallasokey dokey. (just want to make sure everybody's happy)
hanthanaheh
sdziallaswhat else there is left? documentation? an artwork?
hanthana04. Marketting plan for spreading fedora edu spin
sdziallasmarketing is good. :)
hanthanaMarketting plan for spreading fedora edu spin
hanthanaworkshops, seminas, installFest, etc
hanthanaFedora edu - tshirt for those who working for the project ;)
sdziallasw00t!
hanthanai do ..... workshops, seminas, installFest, etc
ongolaBoyconcerning Artwork, is it possible to ask to Nicu and his friends to create special stuff off edu
sdziallasI've... submitted a request for artwork some time ago:
ongolaBoybut i don't know how you communicate between team in general ...
rdietermost definietely possible, couldn't hurt to ask the fedora-art team, they're usually quite good at delivering
sdziallasArtwork/DesignService#Fedora_Education
sdziallasbut that was ages ago - I recieved a wiki banner from tatica, but I didn't add it yet, since I felt... it would need to be discussed with her / the artwork team first.
hanthanasdziallas: we need a poster/ Boucher
sdziallasI also asked for special artwork for our spin, such as a wallpaper, but: work in progress, afaik ;)
sdziallasyeah!
rdieterwould probably help if someone volunteered to lead the art effort, and potentially poke/prod/bribe them
sdziallasyeah, well, I can go and update the request quite a bit... I'm a bit lazy about poking 'em, but I could do that. (hopefully, I don't forget) ;)
* sdziallas makes another mental note.
sdziallasokay? anything else on behalf of artwork? nope?...
ongolaBoysdziallas:at least for artwork, update your request by replacing kde by xfce...
hanthanasdziallas: 'adding a wallpaper ' grate idea!!
sdziallasongolaBoy, yeah; will do. it's quite outdated there, I know...
sdziallasokay :)
hanthanado we need CD/DVD cover?
hanthanastickers?
sdziallasmaybe later on, yeah. and some flyers couldn't hurt either. But partly general Fedora stuff should be fine, too.
* sdziallas loves our t-shirts :)
hanthanawe can add Edu spin promotion with F11 release
sdziallas(for which we need rel-engs approval, but I'll take care of that)
sdziallasokay? can we move on here? (sorry if I'm rushing a bit)
ongolaBoy.
hanthanaok
hanthananext!
hanthanaDocumentation:
hanthanaHowTos related to the Fedora Education Spin.
hanthanafor an example;
hanthana'How to install Edu Spin to the system?'
hanthana'How to install other software using Fedora repo?'
sdziallasthe latter one should be more or less explained somewhere (I'd bet there are already howtos for this), but the first or 'which additional educational software can I get?' or 'what does this app offer me?' would be other examples...
sdziallasthis one could be worked out together with questions we might recieve from testing...
hanthanayes
hanthanagood idea
ongolaBoy'what package can i use for algebra,geometry,electronics,...?'
sdziallasexactly!
hanthanaongolaBoy: +1
sdziallasokay... anything else you want to discuss?
hanthanafixing dates for next meeting?
sdziallaswell, that's our last task, before adjourning the meeting, I think ;)
sdziallasso if there's nothing more to discuss, I thing we can head for that, yeah.
hanthana'getting more ppl ' we can achieve this during testing period
sdziallasyep, that's marketing, testing, all that...
hanthanawe have to meet before starting the testing session
sdziallashonestly, I'm not sure, yet: next week would be the 21st. I think we should talk again before beginning the testing, touh.
sdziallas*though
sdziallasyep.
hanthanaok 21st fine for me
hanthanardieter: ongolaBoy: sdziallas: any idea?
sdziallaswell, let's note the 21st for the moment. I cannot promise that it will work for me, yet, but I think it should.
sdziallas(if the others agree)
ongolaBoyhum... i can't give a date because i'm not very available ;choose date that fit to you
ongolaBoyany date i mean
sdziallasokay? 21st for now?
ongolaBoy.
sdziallasthere we go. we might reconsider it again, if it doesn't fit for anybody. well... is that it? are we done?
hanthanaok
sdziallasthanks everybody for attending!
sdziallas:)
hanthanathanks all!
hanthanalets make a good spin for the community!!
ongolaBoyi appreciate your efforts
sdziallasyeah! :)
sdziallasso I'd say...
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ongolaBoy:D
hanthana.009
hanthana.0009
sdziallas= meeting adjourned =

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