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Meeting Time


  • KevinKofler
  • LukasTinkl
  • PavelShevchuk (stalwart)
  • SebastianVahl
  • ThanNgo


  • topics to discuss:
  • PolicyKit integration (#428212 )
  • KDE 4.0.2
  • Packaging API docs
  • Getting KDE 4 to use kde-settings defaults
  • Latest live CD testing feedback
  • Using ON_DEV when claiming bugs because ASSIGNED is now used for a different purpose by the triage team
  • split out of khelpcenter from kdebase3 (#435133 and #435873 )
  • recent bugs:
  • #435656 : closing bluemarble causes desktop session to end
  • #435956 : yum update removes kdewebdev



PolicyKit integration:

  • LukasTinkl started a discussion with WillStephenson on how to implement PolicyKit support
  • But for the time being no work has done.
  • We should consider a quick hack for getting PolicyKit working for the Beta
  • Full PolicyKit support seems to be implemented by upstream for KDE 4.1

KDE 4.0.2:

  • KDE 4.0.2 is already in rawhide, official release will be tomorrow.
  • The docs in kde-l10n are still broken.
  • 4.0.2 versions of kiconedit and kcoloredit were built today.

Packaging API docs:

  • Currently we're not building API docs at all.
  • We should package it as *-apidocs sub packages like in KDE 3.
  • They should be provided at least for kdelibs, maybe kdepimlibs and soprano.
  • For minor packages is the place to start (unless someone files a bug for including them).

Getting KDE 4 to use kde-settings defaults:

  • KDE4 doesn't use the kiosktool setup we use in kde-settings.
  • This is also affecting the "KDE Development Platform" provided for F7 and F8 (eg. dolphin).
  • Short term solution: move the global configs back to $KDEDIR/share/config/ .
  • Long term solution: fix KDE 4 to recognize the kiosk settings (with/in upstream).

Latest live CD testing feedback:

  • SebastianVahl prepared an actual live image for internal testing before the Beta.
  • KevinKofler reported some problems when running the image in qemu which don't seem to appear when running it natively:
  • KOrganizer's reminder applet isn't docked to plasma's systray
  • nm-applet isn't starting or connecting
  • This is maybe related to a not started dbus-session.
  • The "next" button in the installer seems to not work sometimes.
  • Because gparted was removed from livecd-fedora-base-desktop.ks amarok is back on the live images.

Using ON_DEV when claiming bugs because ASSIGNED is now used for a different purpose by the triage team:

  • According to recent changes of the bug triage team we should use ON_DEV instead of ASSIGNED now.
  • Proposed workflow: the person who takes responsibility for that bug assigns it to himself and set it to ON_DEV.

Split out of khelpcenter from kdebase3:

  • KDE3 applications will work fine with KDE4's khelpcenter but will need /usr/share/services/khelpcenter.desktop.
  • The decision was to include this as a seperate source in kdebase-runtime and avoid a hard require for khelpcenter.
  • So any KDE3 application will need also kdebase-runtime for displaying the help (which will mainly affect non-KDE users).
  • This will also free up some space on the live images because kdebase3 isn't needed for one single file.
  • We should consider adding this to the release notes.

Closing bluemarble causes desktop session to end:

  • The "3D Earth Desktop" applet kills the X-Server when using it without enabled OpenGL shaders support.
  • This is known upstream but nobody knows how to fix this.
  • Also the next release of extragear-plasma is not scheduled before KDE 4.1.
  • So bluemarble will be disabled for now.

yum update removes kdewebdev:

  • This is regarding to the multilib obsoletes hack introduced by the split into *-libs sub packages.
  • Because only kdewebdev requires kdewebdev-libs we will add a "Requires: kdewebdev" to kdewebdev-libs.


(These comments are written after the meeting)