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{{admon/important|No longer current|This candidate is no longer the current milestone.  For the latest results, see [[Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test]].}}
This page is intended to record [[QA:Fedora_19_Install_Test_Plan]] test results for the '''Fedora 19 Alpha RC1''' milestone.
This page is intended to record [[QA:Fedora_19_Install_Test_Plan]] test results for the '''Fedora 19 Alpha RC1''' milestone.


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| Boot Methods
| Boot Methods
| [[QA:Testcase_Boot_Methods_Dvd]]
| [[QA:Testcase_Boot_Methods_Dvd]]
| {{result|none}}
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| {{result|pass|satellit}}
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| Install Repository
| Install Repository
| [[QA:Testcase_install_repository_DVD_default]]
| [[QA:Testcase_install_repository_DVD_default]]
| {{result|none}}
| {{result|pass|boblfoot}}{{result|pass|robatino}}
| {{result|pass|satellit}}<ref>Mate-initial-setup then login to mate 1.5.8</ref> {{result|pass|adamwill}}
| {{result|pass|satellit}}<ref>Mate-initial-setup then login to mate 1.5.8</ref> {{result|pass|adamwill}}{{result|pass|robatino}}
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| [[QA:Testcase_Live_Image_Boot]]
| [[QA:Testcase_Live_Image_Boot]]
| {{result|none}}
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| {{result|pass|satellit}}{{result|fail|satellit|947538}}<ref>soas</ref>
| {{result|pass|satellit}}{{result|fail|satellit|947538}}<ref>soas</ref>{{result|fail|satellit}}<ref>lxde</ref>
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| [[QA:Testcase_USB_stick_Live_luc|QA:Testcase_USB_stick_Live LiveUSB-creator]]
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| {{result|none}}
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| [[QA:Testcase_USB_stick_Live_litd|QA:Testcase_USB_stick_Live Live-ISO-to-Disk]]
| [[QA:Testcase_USB_stick_Live_litd|QA:Testcase_USB_stick_Live Live-ISO-to-Disk]]
| {{result|none}}
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| {{result|fail|satellit|949802}}<ref>kernel panic</ref>
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| [[QA:Testcase_USB_stick_DVD_litd|QA:Testcase_USB_stick_DVD Live-ISO-to-Disk]]
| [[QA:Testcase_USB_stick_DVD_litd|QA:Testcase_USB_stick_DVD Live-ISO-to-Disk]]
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| Boot Methods
| Boot Methods
| [[QA:Testcase_Boot_Methods_Pxeboot]]
| [[QA:Testcase_Boot_Methods_Pxeboot]]
| {{result|none}}
| {{result|pass|spstarr}}<ref>PXE install OK</ref>{{result|fail|spstarr|949831}}<ref>kde-settings-ksm Package in RC1 has regression wrong theme used, fixed post RC1</ref> {{result|pass|kparal}}{{result|pass|boblfoot}}
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| Package Set
| Package Set
| [[QA:Testcase_Package_Sets_Default_Package_Install]]
| [[QA:Testcase_Package_Sets_Default_Package_Install]]
| {{result|pass|nonamedotc}}
| {{result|pass|nonamedotc}}{{result|pass|Wutao85}}{{result|warn|robatino|946964}}
| {{result|pass|adamwill}}{{result|pass|nonamedotc}}
| {{result|pass|adamwill}}{{result|pass|nonamedotc}}{{result|warn|robatino|946964}}
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| Package Set
| Package Set
| [[QA:Testcase_Package_Sets_Minimal_Package_Install]]
| [[QA:Testcase_Package_Sets_Minimal_Package_Install]]
| {{result|pass|nonamedotc}}
| {{result|pass|nonamedotc}}{{result|pass|robatino}}
| {{result|pass|nonamedotc}}
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| Partitioning
| Partitioning
| [[QA:Testcase_Anaconda_autopart_install]]
| [[QA:Testcase_Anaconda_autopart_install]]
| {{result|pass|nonamedotc}}
| {{result|pass|nonamedotc}}{{result|pass|Wutao85}}{{result|pass|robatino}}
| {{result|pass|nonamedotc}}
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| Partitioning
| Partitioning
| [[QA:Testcase_Anaconda_autopart_(reclaim)_install]]
| [[QA:Testcase_Anaconda_autopart_(reclaim)_install]]
| {{result|pass|nonamedotc}}
| {{result|pass|nonamedotc}}{{result|pass|Wutao85}}
| {{result|pass|adamwill}}{{result|pass|nonamedotc}}
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| Partitioning
| Partitioning
| [[QA:Testcase_Anaconda_autopart_(shrink)_install]]
| [[QA:Testcase_Anaconda_autopart_(shrink)_install]]
| {{result|none}}
| {{result|pass|boblfoot}}
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| Partitioning
| [[QA:Testcase_Anaconda_autopart_(encrypted)_install]]
| [[QA:Testcase_Anaconda_autopart_(encrypted)_install]]
| {{result|none}}
| {{result|pass|nonamedotc}}
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| Partitioning
| Partitioning
| [[QA:Testcase_anaconda_ext4_rootfs_on_disk_partition]]
| [[QA:Testcase_anaconda_ext4_rootfs_on_disk_partition]]
| {{result|pass|nonamedotc}}
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| Partitioning
| [[QA:Testcase_Partitioning_On_Software_RAID]]
| [[QA:Testcase_Partitioning_On_Software_RAID]]
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| Partitioning
| [[QA:Testcase_dualboot_with_windows]]
| [[QA:Testcase_dualboot_with_windows]]
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| User Interface
| User Interface
| [[QA:Testcase_Anaconda_User_Interface_Graphical]]
| [[QA:Testcase_Anaconda_User_Interface_Graphical]]
| {{result|pass|nonamedotc}}
| {{result|pass|nonamedotc}}{{result|pass|Wutao85}}{{result|fail|robatino|946964}}
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| User Interface
| [[QA:Testcase_Anaconda_User_Interface_Basic_Video_Driver]]
| [[QA:Testcase_Anaconda_User_Interface_Basic_Video_Driver]]
| {{result|none}}
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| User Interface
| [[QA:Testcase_Anaconda_User_Interface_Text]]
| [[QA:Testcase_Anaconda_User_Interface_Text]]
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| User Interface
| [[QA:Testcase_Anaconda_User_Interface_VNC]]
| [[QA:Testcase_Anaconda_User_Interface_VNC]]
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| User Interface
| [[QA:Testcase_Anaconda_User_Interface_VNC_Vncconnect]]
| [[QA:Testcase_Anaconda_User_Interface_VNC_Vncconnect]]
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| [[QA:Testcase_install_repository_Mirrorlist_default]]
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| Install Repository
| [[QA:Testcase_install_repository_HTTP/FTP_variation]]
| [[QA:Testcase_install_repository_HTTP/FTP_variation]]
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| [[QA:Testcase_install_repository_NFSISO_variation]]
| [[QA:Testcase_install_repository_NFSISO_variation]]
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| Storage Devices
| [[QA:Testcase_Install_to_Previous_KVM]]
| [[QA:Testcase_Install_to_Previous_KVM]]
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| [[QA:Testcase_Anaconda_rescue_mode]]
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Revision as of 23:53, 11 April 2013

Important.png
No longer current
This candidate is no longer the current milestone. For the latest results, see Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test.

This page is intended to record QA:Fedora_19_Install_Test_Plan test results for the Fedora 19 Alpha RC1 milestone.

Instructions

This page tracks test results against the Fedora 19 Alpha RC1 build. Test results against other Fedora 19 milestones can be found at Category:Fedora_19_Test_Results. The explanation of test case priority is available at QA:Fedora_19_Install_Test_Plan#Test_Priority.

What To Test

Who's available

The following cast of characters will be available testing, workarounds, bug fixes, general discussion ...

Add or Remove a Test Case

  1. Please request review for your changes by publishing your test case for review to test list.
  2. Once reviewed, make your changes to this document
  3. Finally, update QA:Fedora_19_Install_Results_Template with the same changes.

Key

See the table below for a sample format for test results. All test results are posted using the format specified Template:Result.

Test Results Format
Test Result Explanation Code Entered
none
Untested - This test has not been run, and is available for anyone to contribute feedback. {{result|none}}
Pass pass robatino
Passed - The test has been run and the tester determine the test met the expected results {{result|pass|robatino}}
Inprogress inprogress adamwill
Inprogress - An inprogress result is often used for tests that take a long time to execute. Inprogress results should be temporary and change to pass, fail or warn. {{result|inprogress|adamwill}}
Fail fail jlaska [1] [2]
Failed - Indicates a failed test. A link to a bug must be provided. See Template:Result for details on providing bug information.
  1. RHBZ #XYZ
  2. RHBZ #ZXY
{{result|fail|jlaska|XYZ|ZXY}}
Warning warn rhe
[1]
Warning - This test completed and met the expected results of the test, but other issues were encountered during testing that warrant attention.
  1. Brief description about the warning status
{{result|warn|rhe}} <ref>Brief description about the warning status</ref>
Pass pass hongqing
Warning warn kparal
Multiple results - More people can easily provide results to a single test case. {{result|pass|hongqing}} {{result|warn|kparal}}
Pass pass previous <build> run
Result from previous test run - This test result is directly moved from the test run of previous <build>. {{result|pass|previous <build> run}}
Unsupported - An unsupported test or configuration. No testing is required.

Test Matrix

Please click [show] in each table to view the tests of each media installation, and click [edit] to post your test results using the syntax in Key Section.


Netinst image

netinst.iso (boot.iso) tests
Release Level Test Area Test Case i386 x86_64 EFI
Alpha Boot Methods QA:Testcase_Boot_Methods_Boot_Iso
Pass pass nonamedotc
Pass pass nonamedotc
none
Alpha/Final Image Sanity QA:Testcase_Mediakit_ISO_Checksums
Pass pass robatino
Pass pass robatino

DVD image

DVD.iso tests
Release Level Test Area Test Case i386 x86_64 EFI
Alpha Boot Methods QA:Testcase_Boot_Methods_Dvd
Pass pass boblfoot
Pass pass satellit
none
Alpha Install Repository QA:Testcase_install_repository_DVD_default
Pass pass boblfoot
Pass pass robatino
Pass pass satellit
[1]
Pass pass adamwill
Pass pass robatino
none
Alpha Image Sanity QA:Testcase_Mediakit_Repoclosure
Pass pass robatino
Pass pass robatino
Alpha Image Sanity QA:Testcase_Mediakit_FileConflicts
Pass pass robatino
Pass pass robatino
Alpha/Final Image Sanity QA:Testcase_Mediakit_ISO_Checksums
Pass pass robatino
Pass pass robatino

Live image

Live.iso tests
Release Level Test Area Test Case i386 x86_64 EFI
Alpha Boot Methods QA:Testcase_Live_Image_Boot
none
Pass pass satellit
Fail fail satellit [2]
[3]
Fail fail satellit
[4]
none
Alpha Install Repository QA:Testcase_install_repository_Live_Image
none
Pass pass satellit
none
Alpha/Final Image Sanity QA:Testcase_Mediakit_ISO_Checksums
Pass pass robatino
Pass pass robatino

USB stick

USB stick tests
Release Level Test Area Test Case i386 x86_64 EFI
Alpha Boot Methods QA:Testcase_USB_stick_Live LiveUSB-creator
none
Pass pass satellit
Alpha Boot Methods QA:Testcase_USB_stick_Live Live-ISO-to-Disk
none
Fail fail satellit [5]
[6]
none
Alpha Boot Methods QA:Testcase_USB_stick_Live_dd
none
Pass pass satellit
none
Alpha Boot Methods QA:Testcase_USB_stick_DVD Live-ISO-to-Disk
none
Pass pass satellit
none
Alpha Boot Methods QA:Testcase_USB_stick_DVD_dd
none
Pass pass satellit
none

PXE images

PXE boot tests
Release Level Test Area Test Case i386 x86_64
Alpha Boot Methods QA:Testcase_Boot_Methods_Pxeboot
Pass pass spstarr
[7]
Fail fail spstarr [8]
[9]
Pass pass kparal
Pass pass boblfoot
Pass pass boblfoot

General Tests

Install Variations & General Tests
Release Level Test Area Test Case i386 x86_64 EFI
Alpha Package Set QA:Testcase_Package_Sets_Default_Package_Install
Pass pass nonamedotc
Pass pass Wutao85
Warning warn robatino [10]
Pass pass adamwill
Pass pass nonamedotc
Warning warn robatino [10]
Alpha Package Set QA:Testcase_Package_Sets_Minimal_Package_Install
Pass pass nonamedotc
Pass pass robatino
Pass pass nonamedotc
Pass pass robatino
Alpha Partitioning QA:Testcase_Anaconda_autopart_install
Pass pass nonamedotc
Pass pass Wutao85
Pass pass robatino
Pass pass nonamedotc
Pass pass robatino
Beta Partitioning QA:Testcase_Anaconda_autopart_(use_free_space)_install
none
none
Beta Partitioning QA:Testcase_Anaconda_autopart_(reclaim)_install
Pass pass nonamedotc
Pass pass Wutao85
Pass pass adamwill
Pass pass nonamedotc
Final Partitioning QA:Testcase_Anaconda_autopart_(shrink)_install
Pass pass boblfoot
Pass pass boblfoot
Beta Partitioning QA:Testcase_Anaconda_autopart_(encrypted)_install
Pass pass nonamedotc
Pass pass nonamedotc
Alpha Partitioning QA:Testcase_anaconda_ext4_rootfs_on_disk_partition
Pass pass nonamedotc
Pass pass Wutao85
Pass pass nonamedotc
Beta Partitioning QA:Testcase_Anaconda_custom_partitioning
Pass pass nonamedotc
Pass pass nonamedotc
Beta Partitioning QA:Testcase_Partitioning_On_Software_RAID
Pass pass boblfoot
Pass pass adamwill
Final Partitioning QA:Testcase_dualboot_with_windows
Pass pass boblfoot
Pass pass boblfoot
Alpha User Interface QA:Testcase_Anaconda_User_Interface_Graphical
Pass pass nonamedotc
Pass pass Wutao85
Fail fail robatino [10]
Pass pass adamwill
Fail fail robatino [10]
Alpha User Interface QA:Testcase_Anaconda_User_Interface_Basic_Video_Driver
Pass pass boblfoot
Pass pass boblfoot
Alpha User Interface QA:Testcase_Anaconda_User_Interface_Text
Pass pass robatino
Pass pass robatino
Alpha User Interface QA:Testcase_Anaconda_User_Interface_VNC
Pass pass Wutao85
Pass pass adamwill
Alpha User Interface QA:Testcase_Anaconda_User_Interface_VNC_Vncconnect
Pass pass Wutao85
none
Beta User Interface QA:Testcase_Anaconda_User_Interface_serial_console
none
none
Alpha Install Repository QA:Testcase_install_repository_Mirrorlist_default
none
Pass pass adamwill
Alpha Install Repository QA:Testcase_install_repository_Mirrorlist_graphical
none
none
Alpha Install Repository QA:Testcase_install_repository_HTTP/FTP_graphical
none
none
Alpha Install Repository QA:Testcase_install_repository_HTTP/FTP_variation
Pass pass boblfoot
Pass pass boblfoot
Beta Install Repository QA:Testcase_install_repository_NFS_graphical
none
none
Beta Install Repository QA:Testcase_install_repository_NFS_variation
none
none
Final Install Repository QA:Testcase_install_repository_NFSISO_variation
Pass pass kparal
none
Final Install Repository QA:Testcase_install_repository_Hard_drive_variation
none
none
Alpha Storage Devices QA:Testcase_install_to_SATA_device
none
none
Alpha Storage Devices QA:Testcase_install_to_PATA_device
none
Pass pass adamwill
[11]
Alpha Storage Devices QA:Testcase_install_to_SCSI_device
none
none
Beta Storage Devices QA:Testcase_Install_to_Previous_KVM
Pass pass robatino
Pass pass robatino
Beta Storage Devices QA:Testcase_Install_to_Current_KVM
none
Pass pass adamwill
Beta Storage Devices QA:Testcase_Install_to_BIOS_RAID
none
none
Beta Storage Devices QA:Testcase_Install_to_Hardware_RAID
none
none
Final Storage Devices QA:Testcase_Boot_Methods_Xen_Para_Virt
none
none
Final Storage Devices QA:Testcase_EC2_AMI_Validation
none
none
Alpha Recovery QA:Testcase_Anaconda_save_traceback_to_bugzilla
Pass pass robatino
Pass pass adamwill
Pass pass robatino
Alpha Recovery QA:Testcase_Anaconda_rescue_mode
Pass pass robatino
Pass pass robatino
Alpha Recovery QA:Testcase_Anaconda_updates.img_via_URL
none
none
Final Recovery QA:Testcase_Anaconda_updates.img_via_installation_source
none
none
Final Recovery QA:Testcase_Anaconda_updates.img_via_local_media
none
none
Beta Image Sanity QA:Testcase_Mediakit_ISO_Size
Fail fail robatino
[12]
Fail fail robatino
[13]
Beta Kickstart Delivery QA:Testcase_Kickstart_Http_Server_Ks_Cfg
none
none
Beta Kickstart Delivery QA:Testcase_Kickstart_File_Path_Ks_Cfg
none
none
Beta Kickstart Delivery QA:Testcase_Kickstart_Hd_Device_Path_Ks_Cfg
none
none
Beta Kickstart Delivery QA:Testcase_Kickstart_Nfs_Server_Path_Ks_Cfg
none
none
Beta Upgrade system QA:Testcase_upgrade_fedup_cli_previous_desktop
none
none
none
Beta Upgrade system QA:Testcase_upgrade_fedup_cli_previous_kde
none
none
none
Beta Upgrade system QA:Testcase_upgrade_fedup_cli_previous_minimal
none
none
none
Beta Upgrade system QA:Testcase_upgrade_fedup_cli_previous_desktop_encrypted
none
none
none
Optional Boot Methods QA:Testcase_Install_Image_Boot_Local
Pass pass robatino
Pass pass adamwill
Pass pass robatino
Optional Memory Test QA:Testcase_Memtest86
Pass pass robatino
Pass pass robatino
Optional Recovery QA:Testcase_Anaconda_traceback_debug_mode
Pass pass robatino
Pass pass robatino
Optional Partitioning QA:Testcase_Partitioning_No_Swap
none
none
Optional Partitioning QA:Testcase_anaconda_ext3_rootfs_on_disk_partition
none
none
Optional Partitioning QA:Testcase_anaconda_xfs_rootfs_on_disk_partition
none
none


References

  1. Mate-initial-setup then login to mate 1.5.8
  2. RHBZ #947538
  3. soas
  4. lxde
  5. RHBZ #949802
  6. kernel panic
  7. PXE install OK
  8. RHBZ #949831
  9. kde-settings-ksm Package in RC1 has regression wrong theme used, fixed post RC1
  10. 10.0 10.1 10.2 10.3 RHBZ #946964
  11. virt test
  12. all i386 DVDs and Live images except for Live KDE and Live SoaS are oversized, netinsts are okay
  13. all x86_64 DVDs and Live images except for Live KDE and Live SoaS are oversized, netinsts are okay