Jan 20 03:04:11 <couf>	<work-meeting>
Jan 20 03:04:44 <mwiriadi>	k
Jan 20 03:04:46 <mwiriadi>	back
Jan 20 03:05:14 <couf>	just to situate: we need to get some stuff done :-)
Jan 20 03:05:55 <jmbuser>	May I make a comment?
Jan 20 03:05:57 <couf>	basic work on DuG and AG is more or less complete, we should try and make them better now
Jan 20 03:06:19 <couf>	yeah sure, it's not a formal protocol :-)
Jan 20 03:06:39 <mdious>	I have been dragging the chain on the dns section. I need to update it to reflect using an RPM package for bind instead of a tarball, otherwise, it's pretty much 'done'. Will get onto it in the coming weeks
Jan 20 03:07:03 <jmbuser>	Thanks to everybody, especially the new guys, for bring the DUG back to life
Jan 20 03:07:30 <mwiriadi>	I believe danobrien's wife is having a baby hence he has been quiet
Jan 20 03:09:09 <couf>	so can we put up a basic schedule, some sort of self-imposed deadline?
Jan 20 03:09:17 <jmbuser>	+1
Jan 20 03:09:19 <mwiriadi>	+1
Jan 20 03:09:21 <vnk_fd>	+1
Jan 20 03:09:50 <couf>	note: if we miss it, no harm done, as lang as we don't miss it too much ;-)
Jan 20 03:10:29 <vnk_fd>	yeah but it would be really nice to complete stuff for f9 release
Jan 20 03:10:35 <mwiriadi>	+1
Jan 20 03:10:41 <vnk_fd>	and then brag about it
Jan 20 03:10:52 <jmbuser>	+1
Jan 20 03:11:09 <couf>	so my initial thought was to get it done by March
Jan 20 03:11:12 <couf>	http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-9/f-9-docs-details.html
Jan 20 03:11:19 <mdious>	when these are finished, are they distributed under, say, 'system/documentation/'
Jan 20 03:11:21 <couf>	because that would aling with the Beta release
Jan 20 03:11:38 <couf>	align*
Jan 20 03:11:39 <stickster>	mwiriadi: If you're concerned about UTF-8 compliance in an XML file, as long as you have the encoding set in the xml declaration at the top, the tools will let you know if something's wrong.
Jan 20 03:11:53 <stickster>	mwiriadi: If there is, you can use the 'iconv' program to convert if needd
Jan 20 03:11:56 <stickster>	*needed
Jan 20 03:11:58 <couf>	and that would make it good for relnotes push and IG work
Jan 20 03:12:17 <mwiriadi>	Thanks stickster
Jan 20 03:12:21 <vnk_fd>	so
Jan 20 03:12:47 <vnk_fd>	will it work if we say that wiki completion == docs beta?
Jan 20 03:13:19 *	couf needs to run for a couple of minutes, go on without me
Jan 20 03:14:42 <jmbuser>	vnk_fd: That's my opinion.
Jan 20 03:15:01 <jmbuser>	A few minor editing nits...
Jan 20 03:15:18 <jmbuser>	Make sure to verify the package name with the official site
Jan 20 03:15:25 <jmbuser>	GNOME is GNOME
Jan 20 03:15:29 <jmbuser>	That is all
Jan 20 03:15:32 <mwiriadi>	Yep
Jan 20 03:15:46 <vnk_fd>	let's talk one guide at the time
Jan 20 03:15:51 <vnk_fd>	1. DUG
Jan 20 03:16:38 <vnk_fd>	How 'generic' is it at the moment, so that it can be considered f9 DUG, with minor changes?
Jan 20 03:17:04 <mwiriadi>	very generic
Jan 20 03:17:13 <mwiriadi>	The issue at the moment is the KDE sections
Jan 20 03:17:17 <jmbuser>	Is that good or bad?
Jan 20 03:17:33 <mwiriadi>	The alterations needed are minor
Jan 20 03:17:50 <mwiriadi>	It would take someone who knows little through sufficient information to be capable of using linux
Jan 20 03:18:18 <vnk_fd>	that's good but KDE will probably need bigger rewrite
Jan 20 03:18:22 <mwiriadi>	The KDE sections were getting worked on by dan though I believe his wife is having a baby so he has dropped off
Jan 20 03:18:33 <vnk_fd>	KDE4 is likely for f9
Jan 20 03:18:35 <mwiriadi>	The edit sections have had KDE included and verified
Jan 20 03:18:49 <mwiriadi>	The programs though should still be in the locations
Jan 20 03:18:59 <mwiriadi>	I have pinged the KDE-sig though noone has been helpful there
Jan 20 03:19:16 <jmbuser>	There is a devel Live CD with KDE4
Jan 20 03:19:31 <vnk_fd>	kde4 is still mess, at least in rawhide
Jan 20 03:19:37 <jmbuser>	true
Jan 20 03:20:10 <mwiriadi>	I would say any alterations will not be significant since the programs do not rely on kde
Jan 20 03:20:15 <mwiriadi>	The only thing will be the games section
Jan 20 03:20:24 <mwiriadi>	Menu locations as well
Jan 20 03:20:44 <vnk_fd>	KDE customizations, too and new tools
Jan 20 03:21:12 <jmbuser>	We should stick with KDE default apps for now
Jan 20 03:21:13 *	couf returns
Jan 20 03:21:21 <mwiriadi>	+1
Jan 20 03:21:34 <mwiriadi>	Any alterations are sufficiently minor that docbook can be used
Jan 20 03:21:45 <mwiriadi>	at least having it ready for beta should give us enough time to fix anything
Jan 20 03:21:50 <couf>	we need input from KDE-sig here to be sure what they're going to ship for F9
Jan 20 03:21:52 <jmbuser>	true
Jan 20 03:22:28 <mwiriadi>	couf, I personally talked to them and it was brought up in their meeting but nothing more than that
Jan 20 03:22:32 <couf>	and if we can't rely on them, there is only that much we can do
Jan 20 03:23:08 <jmbuser>	Also, remember that Xfce Live CD is being actively developed for F9
Jan 20 03:23:09 <vnk_fd>	do we then release GNOME only or GNOME + KDE3?
Jan 20 03:23:29 <jmbuser>	Match the release as much as possible
Jan 20 03:24:03 <mwiriadi>	FYI: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-01-08
Jan 20 03:24:52 <mwiriadi>	With XFCE I tried to ping mether but he didn't see it on the post.
Jan 20 03:25:00 <couf>	we might want to do a request on the fedora-list, a lot of KDE people are on that
Jan 20 03:25:06 <mwiriadi>	I can try again
Jan 20 03:25:09 *	stickster is now known as stickster_afk
Jan 20 03:25:13 <couf>	or we should ask KDE-upstream itself to help
Jan 20 03:25:28 <mwiriadi>	I think KDE upstream would be to busy with the current release
Jan 20 03:25:34 <couf>	should/could
Jan 20 03:25:44 <jmbuser>	What about using some text from the official KDE site?
Jan 20 03:25:58 <couf>	license issue?
Jan 20 03:26:08 <jmbuser>	possibly
Jan 20 03:27:30 <mwiriadi>	I can't find license details on their site
Jan 20 03:27:35 <jmbuser>	I hope with documentation-devel happening ( the FOSS toolchain), we can open up discussion with upstream and otther distros in the coming months
Jan 20 03:27:58 <mdious>	:)
Jan 20 03:28:05 <mwiriadi>	GFDL
Jan 20 03:28:28 <couf>	ugh, not compatible with OPL :-/
Jan 20 03:28:28 <jmbuser>	OPL compatible with GFDL?
Jan 20 03:28:32 <jmbuser>	uggh
Jan 20 03:28:42 <mwiriadi>	Gnu Free documentation License
Jan 20 03:28:51 <mdious>	I guess I should know the answer to this one...
Jan 20 03:28:57 <jmbuser>	strangeness...
Jan 20 03:29:20 <mwiriadi>	I don't know what's compatible and what isn't
Jan 20 03:29:23 <couf>	OPL is more open
Jan 20 03:29:46 <mdious>	so would people be happy using documentation-devel?
Jan 20 03:30:04 <mwiriadi>	documentation-devel?
Jan 20 03:30:22 <couf>	ow you mean -devil? :p
Jan 20 03:30:23 <jmbuser>	I think we can promote it like glezos is promoting Transiflex
Jan 20 03:30:46 <jmbuser>	Lousy name, good idea ;-)
Jan 20 03:30:47 <mdious>	I'm not sure what the name is going to be now....:https://fedorahosted.org/documentation-devel
Jan 20 03:30:59 <couf>	mwiriadi: toolchain Red Hat uses for their docs
Jan 20 03:31:02 <mdious>	I personally liked "Endoculator"....
Jan 20 03:31:18 <mdious>	please ignore my errors in that guide ;)
Jan 20 03:31:25 <jmbuser>	or what about the Documentor
Jan 20 03:33:01 <mdious>	:)
Jan 20 03:33:11 <couf>	anyway, that's something else
Jan 20 03:33:19 <mwiriadi>	No idea really
Jan 20 03:33:25 <mdious>	there was a thing in the bugzilla (which seems to have gone) about what license it would be...
Jan 20 03:33:37 <mwiriadi>	I just hope that they are all cvs or some versioning system happy
Jan 20 03:33:56 <mdious>	it works fine for both...
Jan 20 03:34:10 <mdious>	for cvs and svn that is
Jan 20 03:34:34 <vnk_fd>	OK, so what commitments do we need for DUG?
Jan 20 03:35:00 <mwiriadi>	Situation is that we just need it checked over by KDE the gnome sections are complete
Jan 20 03:35:19 <jmbuser>	I'll continue to be a typo nazi and work on the Xfce stuff
Jan 20 03:35:42 <mwiriadi>	+1
Jan 20 03:35:44 <couf>	all right, conversion target date?
Jan 20 03:35:52 <mwiriadi>	on target
Jan 20 03:35:56 <mwiriadi>	if not ahead of target
Jan 20 03:35:58 <vnk_fd>	ok, i can do some proof-reading too, as i'll be mostly writing AG stuff
Jan 20 03:36:02 <mwiriadi>	provided the kde/xfce are completed
Jan 20 03:36:27 <jmbuser>	Better a slightly-incomplete guide than no guide at all
Jan 20 03:36:41 <mdious>	couf, how poorly is the result after converting from the wiki to docbook? Would it be better to not convert at all and just copy and paste content?
Jan 20 03:36:44 <couf>	okay, good job guys, it's shaping up to be a lot better than the initial release
Jan 20 03:37:20 <couf>	mdious: it's pretty good docbook actually, some minor tweaks are needed, but it's workable
Jan 20 03:37:33 <mdious>	so it actually saves a lot of time?
Jan 20 03:37:54 <couf>	last time, it took about half a day to convert, with me not knowing anything beforehand
Jan 20 03:37:58 <jmbuser>	there is a step required to convert admonitions, but not too bad
Jan 20 03:38:12 <mdious>	do people generally convert what they did, since they will know what it should be?
Jan 20 03:38:31 <couf>	jmbuser: that should be solved actually, you can use the Admonition-macro to save us that work
Jan 20 03:38:46 <jmbuser>	cool
Jan 20 03:39:14 <couf>	[[Admonition("type","summary")]]
Jan 20 03:40:31 <couf>	mdious: basic docbook markup is done by the convertor, the only step required is to update images and update some tags to reflect the correct item
Jan 20 03:40:47 <mdious>	thanks, sorry for interrupting the meeting
Jan 20 03:41:26 <couf>	np, so anything else on the DUG?
Jan 20 03:42:05 <jmbuser>	no
Jan 20 03:42:11 <mwiriadi>	no
Jan 20 03:42:19 <vnk_fd>	no
Jan 20 03:42:21 <couf>	okay AG then
Jan 20 03:43:06 *	jsmith-away is now known as jsmith
Jan 20 03:43:08 <couf>	a lot of stuff is ready
Jan 20 03:43:21 <mdious>	+1 to whoever did the sendmail section :)
Jan 20 03:43:26 <vnk_fd>	do notes I sent to the list make sense?
Jan 20 03:43:59 <couf>	they do actually, good for bringing that up
Jan 20 03:44:25 <couf>	http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2008-January/msg00141.html
Jan 20 03:44:46 <couf>	that basicly tells the tale :-)
Jan 20 03:45:24 <vnk_fd>	can we here answer some of those questions?
Jan 20 03:45:37 <vnk_fd>	cause, that would mean removing some stuff
Jan 20 03:46:39 <couf>	vnk_fd: want to take over for this?
Jan 20 03:47:03 <vnk_fd>	OK
Jan 20 03:47:20 <mwiriadi>	!
Jan 20 03:47:21 <vnk_fd>	i'll go by that notes-list
Jan 20 03:47:42 <mwiriadi>	pass till the section I was going to talk about then :)
Jan 20 03:48:08 <vnk_fd>	new intro (release-type) to be written by couf :-)
Jan 20 03:48:36 <couf>	check
Jan 20 03:48:47 <vnk_fd>	Sections:
Jan 20 03:48:55 <vnk_fd>	directory structure
Jan 20 03:49:20 <vnk_fd>	seems more suited to linux intro book, i'd remove it from AG
Jan 20 03:50:05 <couf>	yeah, was thinking of linking with the TLDP Linux intro guide, this would be redundant then
Jan 20 03:50:55 <couf>	http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/index.html
Jan 20 03:50:57 <mwiriadi>	Should it be moved to the DuG?
Jan 20 03:51:32 <vnk_fd>	I can still re-arange those sections in a way that everything is left there in drafts and create new placeholder for AG-to-be-released?
Jan 20 03:52:17 <vnk_fd>	and just copy to it stuff that we want
Jan 20 03:52:22 <couf>	vnk_fd: that would probably be a better approach
Jan 20 03:52:37 <vnk_fd>	OK, done
Jan 20 03:53:09 <vnk_fd>	accounts, permissions are done, need nursing
Jan 20 03:53:25 <vnk_fd>	XML nursing, that is
Jan 20 03:54:07 <vnk_fd>	ACLs done, ready for conversion
Jan 20 03:54:25 <couf>	yeah, looks good
Jan 20 03:54:35 <vnk_fd>	managing storage
Jan 20 03:54:52 <vnk_fd>	i've started this one but have doubts
Jan 20 03:55:18 <mdious>	a guy who was hired the same time of me said he was interested in writing about storage, maybe he could help
Jan 20 03:55:23 <mdious>	*as me
Jan 20 03:55:39 <vnk_fd>	of course he can
Jan 20 03:55:42 <couf>	I think partitioning is part of the IG
Jan 20 03:56:20 <vnk_fd>	so, as stickster said a month ago, do just LVM and be done with it
Jan 20 03:56:30 <couf>	yep, http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f8/en_US/ch-disk-partitioning.html
Jan 20 03:56:46 <couf>	well there is a small part on LVM there too
Jan 20 03:56:57 <couf>	maybe we can keep it out of the AG for this release?
Jan 20 03:57:29 <vnk_fd>	don't think so, that's pretty essential part
Jan 20 03:58:52 <mdious>	Would you need to go into detail on how it works, or just a smallish section "pvcreate, vgcreate, lvcreate etc..."
Jan 20 03:59:11 <vnk_fd>	and resizing
Jan 20 03:59:25 <couf>	the latter, and system-config-lvm?
Jan 20 03:59:32 <vnk_fd>	yes
Jan 20 04:00:07 <couf>	right, so link in partitioning from IG and some more info on LVM, that good?
Jan 20 04:00:32 <mdious>	could you copy the content from IG so people don't have to run all over the place?
Jan 20 04:00:33 <vnk_fd>	that should do
Jan 20 04:00:57 <vnk_fd>	will look at that one, too
Jan 20 04:01:04 <couf>	yeah, you could do that
Jan 20 04:01:25 <vnk_fd>	OK, done
Jan 20 04:01:31 <couf>	IG has a diskpartitioning.xml file, it's all in there
Jan 20 04:01:43 <couf>	so that would be at XML-level
Jan 20 04:01:54 <vnk_fd>	even better
Jan 20 04:02:13 <couf>	just need to keep them in sync, but that's okay
Jan 20 04:03:16 <vnk_fd>	well, it's about time for me to start using XML/cvs
Jan 20 04:03:47 <vnk_fd>	next
Jan 20 04:03:56 <vnk_fd>	RemovableStorage section
Jan 20 04:04:26 <couf>	remove +1
Jan 20 04:04:33 <couf>	it's covered in the DUG too
Jan 20 04:04:33 <vnk_fd>	there's just nothing that i can think of that should be written
Jan 20 04:04:40 <vnk_fd>	removed
Jan 20 04:04:52 <vnk_fd>	ManagingSoftware
Jan 20 04:05:36 <mdious>	Sorry to bugger off, need to go to bed. Good night :)
Jan 20 04:05:37 <vnk_fd>	jsmith has just started docbooking yum guide - we remove it from AG and link it to official doc
Jan 20 04:05:38 <mwiriadi>	The yum guide
Jan 20 04:05:41 <mwiriadi>	night mdious
Jan 20 04:05:47 <vnk_fd>	night
Jan 20 04:05:47 <mwiriadi>	DuG as well
Jan 20 04:05:54 <mdious>	good to see you again vnk_fd
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Jan 20 04:06:15 <couf>	yeah, linking
Jan 20 04:06:45 <vnk_fd>	ManagingServices
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Jan 20 04:07:01 <vnk_fd>	ready for editing
Jan 20 04:08:10 <vnk_fd>	ModifyingStartup
Jan 20 04:08:17 <vnk_fd>	see notes
Jan 20 04:08:52 <couf>	remove +1
Jan 20 04:09:29 <vnk_fd>	OK
Jan 20 04:09:35 <vnk_fd>	servers
Jan 20 04:09:45 <vnk_fd>	mail server
Jan 20 04:09:59 <mwiriadi>	+1 to dovecot I use it here
Jan 20 04:10:16 <vnk_fd>	ok
Jan 20 04:10:42 <mwiriadi>	Very easy to set up
Jan 20 04:10:58 <vnk_fd>	sendmail is the only MTA I ever used, can't write about the others
Jan 20 04:11:16 <mwiriadi>	http://www.fedoraguide.info/index.php/Main_Page#Mail_server_.28dovecot.29
Jan 20 04:11:32 <couf>	I've used postfix once, but we might want to keep with the defaults
Jan 20 04:11:52 <vnk_fd>	so, as per notes
Jan 20 04:12:09 <vnk_fd>	sendmail+dovecot+spamassassin
Jan 20 04:12:30 <mwiriadi>	spamassassin is changing in F9 I believe
Jan 20 04:12:43 <vnk_fd>	how?
Jan 20 04:12:44 <mwiriadi>	Might want to talk to the packager
Jan 20 04:13:12 <vnk_fd>	anybody knows who that is?
Jan 20 04:13:28 <mwiriadi>	Email: wtogami 'Warren Togami 砥上勇' <wtogami@redhat.com>
Jan 20 04:13:54 <vnk_fd>	OK, will let you know about that one
Jan 20 04:13:58 <mwiriadi>	k
Jan 20 04:15:20 <vnk_fd>	should we add squirrelmail?
Jan 20 04:15:32 <mwiriadi>	It's pretty simple to add
Jan 20 04:15:42 <vnk_fd>	yes it is
Jan 20 04:15:45 <mwiriadi>	install use config perl script and done
Jan 20 04:15:51 <mwiriadi>	pretty much
Jan 20 04:16:31 <vnk_fd>	ok, sendmail+dovecot+squirrelmail
Jan 20 04:16:39 <vnk_fd>	and see about spam filter
Jan 20 04:16:55 <vnk_fd>	web server
Jan 20 04:17:24 <vnk_fd>	i briefly looked at the content - seems pretty complete and unformatted
Jan 20 04:17:31 <vnk_fd>	should be easy to fix
Jan 20 04:18:15 <couf>	pretty trivial indeed
Jan 20 04:19:39 <vnk_fd>	ftp, as per notes - doesn't seem to need much work, either
Jan 20 04:20:54 <vnk_fd>	NFS and samba are done, edit-ready
Jan 20 04:21:43 <vnk_fd>	DNS
Jan 20 04:22:11 <vnk_fd>	mdious said that he'd look into it
Jan 20 04:22:57 <vnk_fd>	plenty of content but not well organized and not red hat / fedora way
Jan 20 04:24:04 <couf>	right
Jan 20 04:24:19 <vnk_fd>	wow, these people in melbourne are still playing
Jan 20 04:24:49 <vnk_fd>	iptables
Jan 20 04:25:13 <vnk_fd>	need volunteers!
Jan 20 04:26:09 <couf>	maybe we could copy this section from Miles Brennan's home server howto
Jan 20 04:26:20 <couf>	he explains a lot there, and he said we could use it, if wanted
Jan 20 04:26:59 <vnk_fd>	ah, ok - it's worth a look
Jan 20 04:27:43 <vnk_fd>	CUPS
Jan 20 04:28:04 <vnk_fd>	this section is really bad in AG
Jan 20 04:28:21 <vnk_fd>	and I linked to it from samba doc :-(
Jan 20 04:28:31 <vnk_fd>	so it must be done
Jan 20 04:28:41 <mwiriadi>	lol
Jan 20 04:30:07 <vnk_fd>	probably the best write-up ever on this is in official samba documentation
Jan 20 04:30:28 <vnk_fd>	included with samba rpms in RHEL5
Jan 20 04:31:49 <vnk_fd>	problem is that it's absolutely huge and someone needs to do a lot of reading before putting together shorter doc and not verbatim
Jan 20 04:32:04 <jmbuser>	soory, guys, gotta run
Jan 20 04:32:11 <jmbuser>	s/soory/sorry/
Jan 20 04:32:23 <jmbuser>	good meeting
Jan 20 04:32:32 <couf>	thanks jmbuser
Jan 20 04:32:36 <mwiriadi>	cya jmbuser thanks :)
Jan 20 04:32:43 <vnk_fd>	see you
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Jan 20 04:34:26 <vnk_fd>	would it be worth investigating whether fedora samba rpm can be packaged with this stuff, too?
Jan 20 04:34:28 <couf>	could we focus on system-config-printer only for the moment?
Jan 20 04:35:48 <vnk_fd>	i suppose we could
Jan 20 04:37:20 <couf>	let's do that then, and if we want to add more, we always can do it
Jan 20 04:37:28 <vnk_fd>	CUPS has pretty good web interface as well
Jan 20 04:38:01 <couf>	yeah, true, but covering both would lead us too far
Jan 20 04:38:25 <couf>	or better: keep it simple for now, and we'll see where we end up
Jan 20 04:39:22 <vnk_fd>	right
Jan 20 04:39:38 <vnk_fd>	next, ModifyingXwindow
Jan 20 04:39:52 <vnk_fd>	do we need that?
Jan 20 04:40:23 <mwiriadi>	nope
Jan 20 04:40:57 <couf>	nah, X has become so good, that the automated stuff works for most people
Jan 20 04:41:12 <couf>	fiddling with that could harm there system
Jan 20 04:41:52 <vnk_fd>	ok
Jan 20 04:42:02 <vnk_fd>	MonitoringSystem
Jan 20 04:42:10 <vnk_fd>	as per notes
Jan 20 04:43:00 <couf>	yeah, ideas in the notes are better fitting
Jan 20 04:43:38 <vnk_fd>	SchedulingTasks is edit-ready
Jan 20 04:44:08 <vnk_fd>	should we include, time-permitting, squid and time server?
Jan 20 04:44:27 <mwiriadi>	time server is easy
Jan 20 04:44:32 <mwiriadi>	squid is harder
Jan 20 04:44:42 <mwiriadi>	I would say time-server yes and squid depends
Jan 20 04:45:18 <vnk_fd>	i just can't figure out where to stop with squid, once you start writing
Jan 20 04:45:27 <mwiriadi>	+1
Jan 20 04:45:33 <mwiriadi>	thats my thoughts
Jan 20 04:45:34 <couf>	not sure if ntp is even necessary
Jan 20 04:45:56 <vnk_fd>	i think it is
Jan 20 04:46:01 <mwiriadi>	+1
Jan 20 04:46:12 <vnk_fd>	probably most overlooked server in real life
Jan 20 04:46:57 <vnk_fd>	and it's easy to do - server and doc
Jan 20 04:46:58 <couf>	the thing is, on Fedora you configure it during firstboot fase, and you never, ever look at it again
Jan 20 04:47:14 <mwiriadi>	thats the client
Jan 20 04:47:17 <mwiriadi>	Not the server
Jan 20 04:47:19 <couf>	s/fase/phase/g
Jan 20 04:47:32 <couf>	ah right, good point
Jan 20 04:48:00 <vnk_fd>	ok do ntp and think about proxy
Jan 20 04:48:26 <vnk_fd>	now, question of the day
Jan 20 04:48:39 <vnk_fd>	who is doing what? :-)
Jan 20 04:48:53 <vnk_fd>	mdious - DNS
Jan 20 04:49:28 <mwiriadi>	I can do the ntp
Jan 20 04:49:29 <couf>	I'll do intro and edit the whole thing
Jan 20 04:50:04 *	vnk_fd new placeholder (tomorrow) + LVM + finish mail, ftp, apache
Jan 20 04:50:15 <vnk_fd>	what's left?
Jan 20 04:50:31 <mwiriadi>	Can you add a section to the toc for ntp
Jan 20 04:50:34 <couf>	hmm, iptables ;)
Jan 20 04:50:36 <mwiriadi>	and I'll just go from there
Jan 20 04:50:46 <mwiriadi>	iptables isn't bad to do
Jan 20 04:50:50 <mwiriadi>	Though how far to you go
Jan 20 04:50:58 <mwiriadi>	Since you can get into qos as well
Jan 20 04:51:10 <vnk_fd>	we don't want that
Jan 20 04:51:19 <couf>	yeah, max it to packet filtering and possibly masquerading
Jan 20 04:51:27 <vnk_fd>	will see what's in miles' doc and go from there
Jan 20 04:51:32 <mwiriadi>	I have a modified script
Jan 20 04:51:41 <mwiriadi>	which I can fill out
Jan 20 04:51:53 <mwiriadi>	I don't use the standard fedora names
Jan 20 04:51:59 <couf>	yeah, iptables should be explained examples
Jan 20 04:52:04 <mwiriadi>	I changed the names to internal/external
Jan 20 04:52:05 <vnk_fd>	or we can tell people just to buy PIX
Jan 20 04:52:48 <mwiriadi>	I say have a look whats there and go from there
Jan 20 04:52:59 <vnk_fd>	ok. cups?
Jan 20 04:53:01 <mwiriadi>	If it's not useful post to the list and I'll put what I can up there
Jan 20 04:53:13 <mwiriadi>	switch to system-config-printer
Jan 20 04:53:25 *	snavin has quit ("Leaving")
Jan 20 04:53:25 <mwiriadi>	I've never used cups I've only used scp
Jan 20 04:53:26 <vnk_fd>	ok, who?
Jan 20 04:53:47 <vnk_fd>	what do you mean by scp?
Jan 20 04:53:55 <mwiriadi>	S-C-P
Jan 20 04:54:05 <vnk_fd>	for printing?
Jan 20 04:54:13 <mwiriadi>	To set it up
Jan 20 04:54:18 <mwiriadi>	then gnome takes care of the rest
Jan 20 04:54:21 <couf>	system-config-printer ;-)
Jan 20 04:54:26 <mwiriadi>	lol couf
Jan 20 04:54:40 <vnk_fd>	ah, i thought as in secure copy
Jan 20 04:54:53 <mwiriadi>	saves typing it all out :)
Jan 20 04:55:14 <couf>	mwiriadi: s-c-p configures cups
Jan 20 04:55:23 <vnk_fd>	true
Jan 20 04:55:26 <mwiriadi>	there ya go
Jan 20 04:55:41 <vnk_fd>	monitoring?
Jan 20 04:56:06 <mwiriadi>	There is a monitoring app in gnome called system monitor
Jan 20 04:56:11 <mwiriadi>	It does some of what you are saying
Jan 20 04:56:38 <vnk_fd>	it's easier to just explain what these few utils do
Jan 20 04:56:55 <vnk_fd>	and cat/paste terminal output
Jan 20 04:56:56 <mwiriadi>	true
Jan 20 04:57:05 <vnk_fd>	s/cat/cut/
Jan 20 04:57:29 <vnk_fd>	although cat piped would work too :-)
Jan 20 04:57:37 <couf>	lol :-)
Jan 20 04:58:18 <couf>	we done then?
Jan 20 04:58:29 *	stickster_afk is now known as stickster
Jan 20 04:58:45 <vnk_fd>	done i just have a feeling that we're short 1 writer
Jan 20 04:59:21 <vnk_fd>	maybe not, we'll see
Jan 20 04:59:39 <mwiriadi>	yep
Jan 20 04:59:41 <vnk_fd>	i'll post to the list once new placeholder is up
Jan 20 04:59:49 <mwiriadi>	sweet thanks
Jan 20 04:59:50 <couf>	okay
Jan 20 04:59:59 <couf>	well thanks all for coming
Jan 20 05:00:03 <vnk_fd>	time to get up, it's 5AM
Jan 20 05:00:05 <couf>	and let's get this show on the road :-)
Jan 20 05:00:21 <vnk_fd>	cheers guys
Jan 20 05:00:33 <mwiriadi>	lol
Jan 20 05:00:37 <couf>	</work-meeting>